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I'm inclined to delete your whole section of Biblical origins. I don't mind changing the next section's title to "Significance and Biblical origins." But in an article where we are already being told there is too much detail here, I'm not sure that talking about atzeret in the context of Shvi'i shel Pesach or Shavuot will be helpful; on the contrary, I'm concerned it will raise more questions than it answers. I do mention the etymology to "stop" in the section entitled Atzeret: A day for assembly—or pause, and I think that covers the ground enough.
Will copy this to Talk:Shemini Atzeret/GA2 as well. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for this. At one point, someone created yom tov sheni shel galuyot, so these two should probably be merged in one spot or the other. I didn't template it, but maybe you could look into that? Thanks, and Shabbat Shalom. StevenJ81 ( talk) 12:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings, IZAK! You recently moved Eleazar Avaran to Eleazar Maccabeus. I believe your justification is based on a misunderstanding. Eleazar was indeed a Maccabean and could rightly be called Eleazar the Maccabean, ie, a member of the group of brothers originally led by Judas Maccabeus. However, Eleazar's name is not and never was Eleazar Maccabeus.
The most obvious source for Eleazar's name is the the (apocryphal) biblical book "I Maccabees". In 1 Maccabees 2:1–5 and 1 Maccabees 6:42–46 Eleazar is called Avaran. Maccabeus is not a family name. It was the a name given only to Judas. Each of the brothers had a different name - John Gaddi, Simon Thassi, Judas Maccabeus, Eleazar Avaran, and Jonathan Apphus - all sons of Mattathias son of John son of Simeon, a priest of the family of Joarib. Nowhere in the biblical sources can the name Eleazar Maccabeus be found.
Interestingly, britannica.com has an entry for Eleazar Maccabeus. However, it is not a biographical entry, but rather a lead to the article about the Maccabees. In that article, Eleazar is called Eleazar Avaran , not Maccabeus.
The article should be reverted to its original name "Eleazar Avaran". I have added an entry to the talk page. Please respond there, not here nor on my talk page, in order for other interested parties to voice their opinions. Kind regards, -- @Efrat ( talk) 07:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Before repeating your response on all the Maccabean brothers' pages, please stay on Talk:Eleazar Avaran. If we do open a forrmal discussion, it would be helpful to keep it one place instead of repeating it four times. Kind regards, -- @Efrat ( talk) 10:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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As you can see at the bottom of the history of 613 commandments, these commandment were added by an IP user who did not really make any other edits on Wikipedia. He claims that such is the order of the commandments in Maimonides. However, when I looked that up, I saw this is not true. The Rambam does not mix positive and negative commandments, and even if we were to look only at the positive commandments, the order is preserved only up to a certain point. Would you be able to shed some light on this? I ask you since I noticed in that same history that you were involved with that article from the very beginning. And of course as a person knowledgeable in Jewish texts. Debresser ( talk) 02:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Debresser. Thanks for clarifying. From what I recall, the online source was from the Aish HaTorah page The 613 Commandments:
Maimonides is definitely listed as the source and there is an additional citation the work "Bible Basics" which presumably is reliable if the Orthodox educators Aish HaTorah editors used it. [3] Hope this helps to resolve things. Regards, IZAK ( talk) 20:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi IZAK. Gila is a very talented editor, but unfortunately this is not her first trip to WP:A/E. If I'm not mistaken, she was topic-banned once before, and the ban was lifted on the condition that she be on her best behavior. It's hard for me to see any way in which this doesn't end badly for her. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 03:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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I will appreciate it to see your notes concerning my remarks in the Arab Israeli 1948 war talk page.
I am an Israeli, but try to be objective. I am the only Israeli regular editor in this articles, and the other editors reactions are mostly negative , as expected. It is much better to hear your opinion as well. If you are not too busy, will it be possible for you to comment in the talk page.
thanks Ykantor ( talk) 18:34, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
The evaluative diversity page attempts to recognize the contributions of various spiritual traditions to the issue of evaluative diversity. I would like help identifying the contributions of Judaism. Langchri ( talk) 19:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I finally sat down and worked on this page. It still needs citations for the basic material under Background and regarding the dates of the holidays. I suspect there are better sources in Hebrew, but I'm unable to read them. Kol tuv, Yoninah ( talk) 23:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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Why do you add Category:Kabbalistic words and phrases to articles about Kabbalistic books? Debresser ( talk) 18:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
This is definitely a "trend" but I can't find any articles that actually discuss the concept. All I find are tons of "Ask the Rabbi" or "Ask a Rabbi" columns in newspapers and online sources. There's even a book, "What Christians Ask the Rabbi". The article is basically OR, with no real sources. How do you suggest we go about improving it? Yoninah ( talk) 21:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for correcting Machanaim. Other articles important for me and partially written by me are: Inna Meiman-Kitrossky (my mother of blessed memory), Naum Meiman, Benjamin Fain, Ephraim Kholmyansky. Great thanks, lkitross ( talk) 23:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
I added this film's page recently but am having trouble finding references other than IMDB and Amazon. It started life as a 170-minute TV miniseries and was edited down to a 114 "made for TV" (ha!) movie - viewable on YouTube.
It's an excellent production, still topical after 19 years (espionage ethics, lack of; politics, ditto; nuclear warheads; Iran), and I'd like to see it through. I know it was broadcast on the IBA when it came out because I saw it. Would you see if you can find anything about it in Hebrew media? I wouldn't know where to look. Cheers! Shir-El too 13:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Will do so. Cheers! Shir-El too 17:04, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
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Just wondering why you removed the links from the article: Philo? He is placed in all those categories. -- Cheers -- ♣Jerm♣ 729 09:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
I see now, I was just concerned with the large removal of links. -- Thanks -- ♣Jerm♣ 729 09:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
Greetings! The Sefer haYashar disambiguation page has had over a dozen links pointing to it for several months. Since you worked on that page (nearly ten years ago) I was hoping that you would be able to find the right solution to fix those links. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi again BD2412: Sorry, but you are missing the fact that the name is basically derived from a Biblical sources of over 3,000 years ago, see: Sefer haYashar#Biblical references: Sefer haYashar (Biblical references), the book mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18. That being so, in Jewish scholarship series of authors over many centuries then typically use that title for their own diverse works that are unrelated to each other. In addition the mere meaning of the words (meaning "book of the upright/just") then allowed authors throughout the millennia to use it for works that they felt denoted that theme or fits as a good title for their writings, none of which need be connected. Thus this disambiguation page is needed. For a WP editor to just cook up an article to tie together works that have no real relationship with each other would be an exercise in futility as well as a gross violation of WP:NOR and WP:NOTMADEUP. Take care and please feel free to stay in touch with me and better yet please keep posting concerns you may have about Jewish topics at WP:TALKJUDAISM as there are always some editors there who can help out in a jam. Sincerely, IZAK ( talk) 08:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi IZAK. I finally implemented the merge suggested here by mikeman67 ( talk · contribs). Now that the article is properly named and discusses both Judaism's view on slavery as well as the "Jewish involvement" in it, I would appreciate it if you could help assist me and others in making a few adjustments to the article. It definitely needs some work (it's currently too long, contains unnecessary information, poorly formatted in some places, etc.). Do you know what should we do with the page Talk:Jews and the slave trade - should it be left as is or moved to the main Talk:Jewish views on slavery?
Also, I saw you made a few edit on the article Jews and Communism, which is now the only article that has the shameless title "Jews and ___". It's an outrage that the discussion ended with "no consensus", while 25 votes said delete and only 12 (including 1 IP address!) were in favor of keeping it. I'll soon take a look at its deletion review ( The Four Deuces ( talk · contribs) brought it to there ahead of me, thanks) at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 March 14, and advice mikeman67 to take a look as well since he participated in the previous discussion. Thanks for your contribution. Yambaram ( talk) 23:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'd like to suggest moving your lengthy addition "Passover Seder according to the Haggadah" toward the end of the Haggadah article. The other sections, Authorship, History, and Illuminated Manuscripts, are much shorter and likely to be missed by most readers in their current placement. Do you have a problem with this?-- agr ( talk) 10:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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I'm inclined to delete your whole section of Biblical origins. I don't mind changing the next section's title to "Significance and Biblical origins." But in an article where we are already being told there is too much detail here, I'm not sure that talking about atzeret in the context of Shvi'i shel Pesach or Shavuot will be helpful; on the contrary, I'm concerned it will raise more questions than it answers. I do mention the etymology to "stop" in the section entitled Atzeret: A day for assembly—or pause, and I think that covers the ground enough.
Will copy this to Talk:Shemini Atzeret/GA2 as well. StevenJ81 ( talk) 15:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Thanks for this. At one point, someone created yom tov sheni shel galuyot, so these two should probably be merged in one spot or the other. I didn't template it, but maybe you could look into that? Thanks, and Shabbat Shalom. StevenJ81 ( talk) 12:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
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Greetings, IZAK! You recently moved Eleazar Avaran to Eleazar Maccabeus. I believe your justification is based on a misunderstanding. Eleazar was indeed a Maccabean and could rightly be called Eleazar the Maccabean, ie, a member of the group of brothers originally led by Judas Maccabeus. However, Eleazar's name is not and never was Eleazar Maccabeus.
The most obvious source for Eleazar's name is the the (apocryphal) biblical book "I Maccabees". In 1 Maccabees 2:1–5 and 1 Maccabees 6:42–46 Eleazar is called Avaran. Maccabeus is not a family name. It was the a name given only to Judas. Each of the brothers had a different name - John Gaddi, Simon Thassi, Judas Maccabeus, Eleazar Avaran, and Jonathan Apphus - all sons of Mattathias son of John son of Simeon, a priest of the family of Joarib. Nowhere in the biblical sources can the name Eleazar Maccabeus be found.
Interestingly, britannica.com has an entry for Eleazar Maccabeus. However, it is not a biographical entry, but rather a lead to the article about the Maccabees. In that article, Eleazar is called Eleazar Avaran , not Maccabeus.
The article should be reverted to its original name "Eleazar Avaran". I have added an entry to the talk page. Please respond there, not here nor on my talk page, in order for other interested parties to voice their opinions. Kind regards, -- @Efrat ( talk) 07:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
Before repeating your response on all the Maccabean brothers' pages, please stay on Talk:Eleazar Avaran. If we do open a forrmal discussion, it would be helpful to keep it one place instead of repeating it four times. Kind regards, -- @Efrat ( talk) 10:48, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
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As you can see at the bottom of the history of 613 commandments, these commandment were added by an IP user who did not really make any other edits on Wikipedia. He claims that such is the order of the commandments in Maimonides. However, when I looked that up, I saw this is not true. The Rambam does not mix positive and negative commandments, and even if we were to look only at the positive commandments, the order is preserved only up to a certain point. Would you be able to shed some light on this? I ask you since I noticed in that same history that you were involved with that article from the very beginning. And of course as a person knowledgeable in Jewish texts. Debresser ( talk) 02:17, 15 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi Debresser. Thanks for clarifying. From what I recall, the online source was from the Aish HaTorah page The 613 Commandments:
Maimonides is definitely listed as the source and there is an additional citation the work "Bible Basics" which presumably is reliable if the Orthodox educators Aish HaTorah editors used it. [3] Hope this helps to resolve things. Regards, IZAK ( talk) 20:12, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi IZAK. Gila is a very talented editor, but unfortunately this is not her first trip to WP:A/E. If I'm not mistaken, she was topic-banned once before, and the ban was lifted on the condition that she be on her best behavior. It's hard for me to see any way in which this doesn't end badly for her. — Malik Shabazz Talk/ Stalk 03:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
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The evaluative diversity page attempts to recognize the contributions of various spiritual traditions to the issue of evaluative diversity. I would like help identifying the contributions of Judaism. Langchri ( talk) 19:52, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I finally sat down and worked on this page. It still needs citations for the basic material under Background and regarding the dates of the holidays. I suspect there are better sources in Hebrew, but I'm unable to read them. Kol tuv, Yoninah ( talk) 23:30, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
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Why do you add Category:Kabbalistic words and phrases to articles about Kabbalistic books? Debresser ( talk) 18:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
This is definitely a "trend" but I can't find any articles that actually discuss the concept. All I find are tons of "Ask the Rabbi" or "Ask a Rabbi" columns in newspapers and online sources. There's even a book, "What Christians Ask the Rabbi". The article is basically OR, with no real sources. How do you suggest we go about improving it? Yoninah ( talk) 21:25, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
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I added this film's page recently but am having trouble finding references other than IMDB and Amazon. It started life as a 170-minute TV miniseries and was edited down to a 114 "made for TV" (ha!) movie - viewable on YouTube.
It's an excellent production, still topical after 19 years (espionage ethics, lack of; politics, ditto; nuclear warheads; Iran), and I'd like to see it through. I know it was broadcast on the IBA when it came out because I saw it. Would you see if you can find anything about it in Hebrew media? I wouldn't know where to look. Cheers! Shir-El too 13:12, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
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I see now, I was just concerned with the large removal of links. -- Thanks -- ♣Jerm♣ 729 09:54, 5 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi again BD2412: Sorry, but you are missing the fact that the name is basically derived from a Biblical sources of over 3,000 years ago, see: Sefer haYashar#Biblical references: Sefer haYashar (Biblical references), the book mentioned in Joshua 10:13 and 2Samuel 1:18. That being so, in Jewish scholarship series of authors over many centuries then typically use that title for their own diverse works that are unrelated to each other. In addition the mere meaning of the words (meaning "book of the upright/just") then allowed authors throughout the millennia to use it for works that they felt denoted that theme or fits as a good title for their writings, none of which need be connected. Thus this disambiguation page is needed. For a WP editor to just cook up an article to tie together works that have no real relationship with each other would be an exercise in futility as well as a gross violation of WP:NOR and WP:NOTMADEUP. Take care and please feel free to stay in touch with me and better yet please keep posting concerns you may have about Jewish topics at WP:TALKJUDAISM as there are always some editors there who can help out in a jam. Sincerely, IZAK ( talk) 08:46, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
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Hi IZAK. I finally implemented the merge suggested here by mikeman67 ( talk · contribs). Now that the article is properly named and discusses both Judaism's view on slavery as well as the "Jewish involvement" in it, I would appreciate it if you could help assist me and others in making a few adjustments to the article. It definitely needs some work (it's currently too long, contains unnecessary information, poorly formatted in some places, etc.). Do you know what should we do with the page Talk:Jews and the slave trade - should it be left as is or moved to the main Talk:Jewish views on slavery?
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I'd like to suggest moving your lengthy addition "Passover Seder according to the Haggadah" toward the end of the Haggadah article. The other sections, Authorship, History, and Illuminated Manuscripts, are much shorter and likely to be missed by most readers in their current placement. Do you have a problem with this?-- agr ( talk) 10:19, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
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