Moving here everything more than 2 years old from my Talk page. Sad to see those nice messages and barnstars disappear but so it goes. Tomorrow is another day! HouseOfChange ( talk) 16:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Added some more today, from 2022 and 2023. HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your hard work on Mining in Sweden!
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15:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
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Thanks for your Teamwork with me to rapidly contributing & improving content & references for the article about Suhai Aziz Talpur of current events. JogiAsad Talk 15:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC) |
A glass of Thandai for you | ||
Here is a glass of
Thandai for you. Thandai is a traditional
Indian cold drink prepared with a mixture of
almonds,
fennel seeds,
watermelon kernels,
rose petals,
pepper,
vetiver seeds,
cardamom,
saffron,
milk and
sugar. Thanks for keeping wikipedia articles free from BLP Violations. Keep it up. cheers. Thank you.
DBig
Xrayᗙ
14:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC) |
creative minds
Thank you for quality articles such as Our Mathematical Universe, Matthias Rauchmiller and Elena Ivanovna Barulina, for rescuing articles from deletion, including Dorothy Cheney (scientist), for article improvements, including Sunrise Movement, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
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7&6=thirteen (
☎) has given you a
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Thanks for you support on the recent page creation of a notable female architect. Wikipedia has a lot of work to do in order to be more welcoming to new users from different communities and you are helping make that happen. Carthradge ( talk) 23:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC) |
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The Barnstar of Diligence |
For your many fixes and improvements to Marquita Bradshaw during its AfD, here's a barnstar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
Sorry, I'm not sure if there is an award like that but happy holidays :-) Vikram Vincent 16:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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Thanks for your hard work at In Praise of Blood article! ( t · c) buidhe 02:35, 24 January 2021 (UTC) |
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Two years! |
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-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
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wild garlic |
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Thank you for the final hook for that article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, on its long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello HouseOfChange,
Thanks for your message. As you have seen, I have been working on the article "anyon" by including some historical developments. As a secondary reference which support my changes I can propose the article:
Biedenharn, Lieb, Simon, Wilczek [1990], The Ancestry of the ‘Anyon’ Physics Today 43, 8, 90. https://doi.org/10.1063/1.2810672
I am happy to discuss this matter further. PierreAlexis1788 ( talk) 17:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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The BLP Barnstar | |
For your tireless contributions to BLP articles! –– FORMALDUDE( talk) 16:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
Hi HouseOfChange, thank you so much for reviewing Tess Posner. I have been a longtime Wikipedia Women in Red writer and really appreciate your support and speed in growing Wikipedia's content. I saw that you added a notability to Posner's article and was wondering how to resolve it. The biography cites many "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention", currently 20 sources (more than many other new Wikipedia articles I've seen) that span publications that Wikipedia has classified as reliable such as The Atlantic, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, USA Today, VentureBeat, and Fortune. If you have any suggestions of improvement, I would really appreciate it. Thank you! - Catyeo18 ( talk) 21:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Dear HouseOfChange - I'm sorry to have been so slow to reply to you; it can be difficult to engage with Wikipedia in a serious way during the work-week when things get busy. But I simply wanted to record how grateful I am to you for tremendous display of good faith, generosity of spirit, and Wikicamaraderie; you've restored some of my faith in this project, and I hope I can continue to learn from watching how you proceed on this site.
I hope my additions just now will be of some use; if not, please accept them as a gesture of thanks and goodwill (and I'm also very glad to have learned a bit more about an important chapter in mid-century American cultural and political history). -- Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 21:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
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Three years! |
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-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that if you ever want to delete an article that you have recently made (by mistake or otherwise), you can tag it with {{ db-author}}. Happy editing! – Pbrks ( t • c) 16:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of
Carrie Campbell Severino at the
Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at
your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —
Mhawk10 (
talk)
18:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
@Buidhe: @HouseOfChange: do not move the Russian disinformation page again without discussion. Neither of you has previously made a single edit to either the article or the talk page and you appear not to have read it at all. If you had even read the lede you would appreciate how inappropriate your move was. It was extremely disrespectful to show up there for the first time ever and assume that your random Google search based on unknown search terms entitled you to think you knew enough about the content of an extremely lengthy article with 299 references than the people who put them there. To show up there in tandem with another editor who also has never touched the article, minutes after I told you on another page that you don’t understand the reliable sources policy, is blatant edit warring and only proves my point. You cannot prove a preponderance of RS if you do not understand RS. Please go read the reliable sources policy: WP:RS Elinruby (talk) 06:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC) Elinruby ( talk) 06:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
You are an anonymous username. Your feelings, my feelings, are of no import. I don't need you to apologize to me or the other editor you named. All I care about is the integrity of WP articles. If you now believe that Pepe Escobar is "one of Kremlin's useful idiots", then please update your version of the article to reflect that. You claim it "doesn't whitewash him", but your version of the article makes no mention of his Holocaust denial (and continued writing for websites such as RussiaInsider that promote Holocaust denial as a matter of policy), 9/11 denial, Covid denial, current pro-Russian warmongering and spreading of fake news on Twitter and Facebook (for which both platforms have recently banned him), PodCasts, etc.
The funniest of which were his late-February assurances to his followers/viewers that Kiev would "certainly collapse in 3 or 4 days, that much is obvious now" (March 1st: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8syVHWRv_k)
Your version of the article portrays him as a legitimate, notable, renowned journalist.
The lede of your article refers to him simply as a journalist and "geopolitical analyst" - neither source you cite actually refers to him as such.
Indeed, the only undisputed RS in this field (journalism review) that directly comments on Escobar in his capacity as a "journalist", is The New Republic's "Pravda Lite" article which, quotes him only to pointedly mock him - with his own words - for his obvious lack of journalistic integrity: i.e., he admits that RT is controlled by the Kremlin, but he's impressed by its YouTube hits, so, all good! But you have watered that down, and buried it in the 12th paragraph (out of 15) of the article.
EnlightenmentNow1792 ( talk) 17:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I have no idea what went on between you and EnlightenmentNow, and I am not asking you to explain it to me.
However, I just want to tell you that I noticed that you stood up for someone who apparently had just been quite rude to you over something or other, and defended that editor’s right to momentarily be grumpy, as you said. If that is what happened, and again, I am not asking you to explain it to me.
I had spoken to them a few times, and think their topic ban was actually a net loss to Wikipedia, which might have been better served by a short block to get the editor’s attention, and some coaching on AGF, but I am not an administrator and did not have the power to make that happen. I will try to talk to that editor about this. If they will accept email from me. We could use some help with sourcing, and that editor is multi-lingual in languages that are hard to recruit.
In any event, I just wanted to let you know that I saw you do something that looked to me like a kind act based on a generous impulse. I still think you were completely wrong about the Russian disinformation page, mind you, but if I —how to put this — hurt your feelings (?) I want you to know that this was never my intention. I felt blindsided and misunderstood — in fact am still very damn sure you misunderstood — but I suppose I should have been less defensive and tried harder to explain to you that the topic was really really narrow... and been less curt in doing so...but I really don’t want to seem insulting all over again.
Let’s just say this, and leave it at that: at ANI I saw you be gracious and also kinda brave, and appreciated you ;) I looked for a barnstar but couldn’t find one that seemed appropriate. So you get a compliment instead; I hope it is coming across that way, at least. Elinruby ( talk) 04:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
a short block to get the editor’s attention, and some coaching on AGFcan turn quick-fisted editors into collegial ones. Editors get angry when they feel attacked, as you say, and my critiquing people's manners at ANI was a hurtful way to try to improve their behavior. I hope your friendly outreach to other editors succeeds, as it deserves to. HouseOfChange ( talk) 14:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Elinruby: Yes, I hope we all stick around, and thanks again for kind words. HouseOfChange ( talk) 00:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I hope you recover soon and completely. Doug Weller talk 11:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
I note you had participated in the discussion on the requested move on the Russian information war against Ukraine to Russian–Ukrainian information war. There is currently a similar discussion ongoing at Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army war against Russian occupation where your input may be valuable. Kind regards. 79.155.36.178 ( talk) 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Since you’re a member of Women in Red, and interested in improving articles about notable women. I was hoping you could take a look at some edits I suggested to improve the article about Tamara Gustavson, which have been partially reviewed. I’ve declared a COI. The suggested edits are on top of the Talk page: Talk:Tamara Gustavson. Thanks in advance. Wiki64gus ( talk) 20:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi HouseofChange, I work for Hamilton E. James and have a declared COI. I came across your activity on the Center for American Progress article, of which Mr. James is a board member. I was hoping you would check out my edit request on his Talk page. As you wrote on your user page, you encourage accuracy in WP:BLP articles and I am trying to update Mr. James' page. Thank you! KWray ( talk) 19:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello HouseOfChange,
I recently made some edits to my personal Wikipedia page, but I noticed that you reverted most of them and removed my photo. I would like to understand the reasons behind these changes, as I believe my edits were accurate and updated the information on the page.
I understand that you mentioned a possible conflict of interest (COI) in your edit summary. Could you please provide more details on which specific edits you found problematic? I am more than happy to work with you to address any concerns and ensure that the page meets Wikipedia's guidelines.
If you have any suggestions on how to improve the page or if you think there are specific sources that should be included, please let me know. I appreciate your help in maintaining the accuracy and integrity of Wikipedia content.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards,
Levashov.peter ( talk) 16:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Just wondered how that thing was going. Elinruby ( talk) 22:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
On 15 July 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Al Giordano, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede 66 17:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Dear @ HouseOfChange. You reverted an edit in which I eliminated an image declaring that certain news orgs are disinformation. Please see my note on the talk page of disinformation about why it is a bad idea to declare any news organization a source of disinformation without strong support. This is true especially when there is a conflict of interest, for instance, when two rival countries like if US and Russia declare that each other news are propaganda. I hope that you agree and either delete that image or source it with a strong reference (right now it does not have a proper link)
Thanks MexFin ( talk) 06:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
I didn't fully understand the reason for your cancel edit on Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what did you mean? Roman Kubanskiy ( talk) 15:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
Moving here everything more than 2 years old from my Talk page. Sad to see those nice messages and barnstars disappear but so it goes. Tomorrow is another day! HouseOfChange ( talk) 16:49, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
Added some more today, from 2022 and 2023. HouseOfChange ( talk) 13:33, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you for your hard work on Mining in Sweden!
Snowycats (
talk)
15:58, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
![]() |
The Teamwork Barnstar |
Thanks for your Teamwork with me to rapidly contributing & improving content & references for the article about Suhai Aziz Talpur of current events. JogiAsad Talk 15:03, 26 November 2018 (UTC) |
A glass of Thandai for you | ||
Here is a glass of
Thandai for you. Thandai is a traditional
Indian cold drink prepared with a mixture of
almonds,
fennel seeds,
watermelon kernels,
rose petals,
pepper,
vetiver seeds,
cardamom,
saffron,
milk and
sugar. Thanks for keeping wikipedia articles free from BLP Violations. Keep it up. cheers. Thank you.
DBig
Xrayᗙ
14:08, 8 February 2019 (UTC) |
creative minds
Thank you for quality articles such as Our Mathematical Universe, Matthias Rauchmiller and Elena Ivanovna Barulina, for rescuing articles from deletion, including Dorothy Cheney (scientist), for article improvements, including Sunrise Movement, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 15:35, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
![]() |
7&6=thirteen (
☎) has given you a
Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.
|
7&6=thirteen ( ☎) 14:55, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
![]() |
The Original Barnstar |
Thanks for you support on the recent page creation of a notable female architect. Wikipedia has a lot of work to do in order to be more welcoming to new users from different communities and you are helping make that happen. Carthradge ( talk) 23:08, 18 March 2020 (UTC) |
![]() |
The Barnstar of Diligence |
For your many fixes and improvements to Marquita Bradshaw during its AfD, here's a barnstar. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 19:26, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
Sorry, I'm not sure if there is an award like that but happy holidays :-) Vikram Vincent 16:22, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
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The Original Barnstar | |
Thanks for your hard work at In Praise of Blood article! ( t · c) buidhe 02:35, 24 January 2021 (UTC) |
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Two years! |
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-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
![]() | |
wild garlic |
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Thank you for the final hook for that article about music significant in my life, Bach's motet Jesu, mein Freude, on its long way from the start in 2006 to the Main page today! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 18:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
Hello HouseOfChange,
Thanks for your message. As you have seen, I have been working on the article "anyon" by including some historical developments. As a secondary reference which support my changes I can propose the article:
Biedenharn, Lieb, Simon, Wilczek [1990], The Ancestry of the ‘Anyon’ Physics Today 43, 8, 90. https://doi.org/10.1063/1.2810672
I am happy to discuss this matter further. PierreAlexis1788 ( talk) 17:26, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
![]() |
The BLP Barnstar | |
For your tireless contributions to BLP articles! –– FORMALDUDE( talk) 16:31, 18 July 2021 (UTC) |
Hi HouseOfChange, thank you so much for reviewing Tess Posner. I have been a longtime Wikipedia Women in Red writer and really appreciate your support and speed in growing Wikipedia's content. I saw that you added a notability to Posner's article and was wondering how to resolve it. The biography cites many "reliable secondary sources that are independent of the topic and provide significant coverage of it beyond a mere trivial mention", currently 20 sources (more than many other new Wikipedia articles I've seen) that span publications that Wikipedia has classified as reliable such as The Atlantic, Wall Street Journal, Forbes, USA Today, VentureBeat, and Fortune. If you have any suggestions of improvement, I would really appreciate it. Thank you! - Catyeo18 ( talk) 21:49, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
Dear HouseOfChange - I'm sorry to have been so slow to reply to you; it can be difficult to engage with Wikipedia in a serious way during the work-week when things get busy. But I simply wanted to record how grateful I am to you for tremendous display of good faith, generosity of spirit, and Wikicamaraderie; you've restored some of my faith in this project, and I hope I can continue to learn from watching how you proceed on this site.
I hope my additions just now will be of some use; if not, please accept them as a gesture of thanks and goodwill (and I'm also very glad to have learned a bit more about an important chapter in mid-century American cultural and political history). -- Publius In The 21st Century ( talk) 21:33, 11 February 2022 (UTC)
![]() | |
Three years! |
---|
-- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 07:07, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that if you ever want to delete an article that you have recently made (by mistake or otherwise), you can tag it with {{ db-author}}. Happy editing! – Pbrks ( t • c) 16:57, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of
Carrie Campbell Severino at the
Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at
your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —
Mhawk10 (
talk)
18:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
@Buidhe: @HouseOfChange: do not move the Russian disinformation page again without discussion. Neither of you has previously made a single edit to either the article or the talk page and you appear not to have read it at all. If you had even read the lede you would appreciate how inappropriate your move was. It was extremely disrespectful to show up there for the first time ever and assume that your random Google search based on unknown search terms entitled you to think you knew enough about the content of an extremely lengthy article with 299 references than the people who put them there. To show up there in tandem with another editor who also has never touched the article, minutes after I told you on another page that you don’t understand the reliable sources policy, is blatant edit warring and only proves my point. You cannot prove a preponderance of RS if you do not understand RS. Please go read the reliable sources policy: WP:RS Elinruby (talk) 06:47, 23 March 2022 (UTC) Elinruby ( talk) 06:55, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
You are an anonymous username. Your feelings, my feelings, are of no import. I don't need you to apologize to me or the other editor you named. All I care about is the integrity of WP articles. If you now believe that Pepe Escobar is "one of Kremlin's useful idiots", then please update your version of the article to reflect that. You claim it "doesn't whitewash him", but your version of the article makes no mention of his Holocaust denial (and continued writing for websites such as RussiaInsider that promote Holocaust denial as a matter of policy), 9/11 denial, Covid denial, current pro-Russian warmongering and spreading of fake news on Twitter and Facebook (for which both platforms have recently banned him), PodCasts, etc.
The funniest of which were his late-February assurances to his followers/viewers that Kiev would "certainly collapse in 3 or 4 days, that much is obvious now" (March 1st: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8syVHWRv_k)
Your version of the article portrays him as a legitimate, notable, renowned journalist.
The lede of your article refers to him simply as a journalist and "geopolitical analyst" - neither source you cite actually refers to him as such.
Indeed, the only undisputed RS in this field (journalism review) that directly comments on Escobar in his capacity as a "journalist", is The New Republic's "Pravda Lite" article which, quotes him only to pointedly mock him - with his own words - for his obvious lack of journalistic integrity: i.e., he admits that RT is controlled by the Kremlin, but he's impressed by its YouTube hits, so, all good! But you have watered that down, and buried it in the 12th paragraph (out of 15) of the article.
EnlightenmentNow1792 ( talk) 17:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)
I have no idea what went on between you and EnlightenmentNow, and I am not asking you to explain it to me.
However, I just want to tell you that I noticed that you stood up for someone who apparently had just been quite rude to you over something or other, and defended that editor’s right to momentarily be grumpy, as you said. If that is what happened, and again, I am not asking you to explain it to me.
I had spoken to them a few times, and think their topic ban was actually a net loss to Wikipedia, which might have been better served by a short block to get the editor’s attention, and some coaching on AGF, but I am not an administrator and did not have the power to make that happen. I will try to talk to that editor about this. If they will accept email from me. We could use some help with sourcing, and that editor is multi-lingual in languages that are hard to recruit.
In any event, I just wanted to let you know that I saw you do something that looked to me like a kind act based on a generous impulse. I still think you were completely wrong about the Russian disinformation page, mind you, but if I —how to put this — hurt your feelings (?) I want you to know that this was never my intention. I felt blindsided and misunderstood — in fact am still very damn sure you misunderstood — but I suppose I should have been less defensive and tried harder to explain to you that the topic was really really narrow... and been less curt in doing so...but I really don’t want to seem insulting all over again.
Let’s just say this, and leave it at that: at ANI I saw you be gracious and also kinda brave, and appreciated you ;) I looked for a barnstar but couldn’t find one that seemed appropriate. So you get a compliment instead; I hope it is coming across that way, at least. Elinruby ( talk) 04:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
a short block to get the editor’s attention, and some coaching on AGFcan turn quick-fisted editors into collegial ones. Editors get angry when they feel attacked, as you say, and my critiquing people's manners at ANI was a hurtful way to try to improve their behavior. I hope your friendly outreach to other editors succeeds, as it deserves to. HouseOfChange ( talk) 14:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
@ Elinruby: Yes, I hope we all stick around, and thanks again for kind words. HouseOfChange ( talk) 00:27, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I hope you recover soon and completely. Doug Weller talk 11:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
I note you had participated in the discussion on the requested move on the Russian information war against Ukraine to Russian–Ukrainian information war. There is currently a similar discussion ongoing at Talk:Ukrainian Insurgent Army war against Russian occupation where your input may be valuable. Kind regards. 79.155.36.178 ( talk) 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Hi. Since you’re a member of Women in Red, and interested in improving articles about notable women. I was hoping you could take a look at some edits I suggested to improve the article about Tamara Gustavson, which have been partially reviewed. I’ve declared a COI. The suggested edits are on top of the Talk page: Talk:Tamara Gustavson. Thanks in advance. Wiki64gus ( talk) 20:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Hi HouseofChange, I work for Hamilton E. James and have a declared COI. I came across your activity on the Center for American Progress article, of which Mr. James is a board member. I was hoping you would check out my edit request on his Talk page. As you wrote on your user page, you encourage accuracy in WP:BLP articles and I am trying to update Mr. James' page. Thank you! KWray ( talk) 19:25, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
Hello HouseOfChange,
I recently made some edits to my personal Wikipedia page, but I noticed that you reverted most of them and removed my photo. I would like to understand the reasons behind these changes, as I believe my edits were accurate and updated the information on the page.
I understand that you mentioned a possible conflict of interest (COI) in your edit summary. Could you please provide more details on which specific edits you found problematic? I am more than happy to work with you to address any concerns and ensure that the page meets Wikipedia's guidelines.
If you have any suggestions on how to improve the page or if you think there are specific sources that should be included, please let me know. I appreciate your help in maintaining the accuracy and integrity of Wikipedia content.
Thank you for your time and consideration.
Best regards,
Levashov.peter ( talk) 16:05, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
Just wondered how that thing was going. Elinruby ( talk) 22:01, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
On 15 July 2023, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Al Giordano, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Schwede 66 17:15, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
Dear @ HouseOfChange. You reverted an edit in which I eliminated an image declaring that certain news orgs are disinformation. Please see my note on the talk page of disinformation about why it is a bad idea to declare any news organization a source of disinformation without strong support. This is true especially when there is a conflict of interest, for instance, when two rival countries like if US and Russia declare that each other news are propaganda. I hope that you agree and either delete that image or source it with a strong reference (right now it does not have a proper link)
Thanks MexFin ( talk) 06:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
I didn't fully understand the reason for your cancel edit on Disinformation in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, what did you mean? Roman Kubanskiy ( talk) 15:34, 10 December 2023 (UTC)