I'm not the vandal, the only vandalising I see is your reverts. AC/DC is a British/Australian band. It's actually just British, and I can find a source for that too. Van Halen is a band from The Netherlands, but it was more reasonable to simply state that it was both from The Netherlands and the US. Remember, all of them are from Holland. Rolling Stones' source is indeed reliable. You removed them entirely and THAT is vandalising the article. The Bee Gees' source is very reliable. There is no need for 3rd party sources; that is a ridiculous rule that should be removed. If not, then you can remove Elvis entirely as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.87.125 ( talk) 16:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Again, you are incorrect. Billboard is reliable, but irrelevant to the topic at hand. They are simply as ignorant as you. Of course the nationality of the band matters; they represent The Netherlands as much as the US.
And regarding AC/DC, I think you'll find I have an excellent history in righting certain wrongs on that article. Anyone with any sort of sense would realise that they are of course a British band; if you call correcting a mistake vandalism, you're on the wrong site.
Hi, I was interested in your edit here. Can you explain what you mean in the edit summary please? Thanks in advance, -- John ( talk) 08:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess we could live with without having a flag icon plastered next to the name of a country. The wiki policy is in a way right and so are you honestly, it does stand as sort of a decoration. That's fine.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you wrote in an edit summary: "Why was the image of Celebrate the Nun removed?" I would make two comments about your edit. First, per Help:reverting, reversion is used against vandalism or vandal-like edits. Using it when (as your edit summary indicates) you don't understand the policy involved is a bad idea. Secondly, the image was removed on copyright grounds. Here is a good starting point to understand why using nonfree images this way is also a bad idea. Let me know if I can help you with anything else. -- John ( talk) 16:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll try to downsize it. Thanks and appreciate your kindness.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
You said, "User:Garik 11 reverted 7 version back instead of only 2, please observe the edits and differ vandals from non-vandals". But I do not see how my edit could result in that. I only re-added one sourced entry which had been removed. Please take note. Garik 11 ( talk) 21:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
OK. SimoneJackson ( talk) 11:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I posted Adriano Celentano in the 200 million list at the 220 million records, because the first source claims 200 million records worldwide (100 million only in Italy), the second source claims 120 million in Italy, so i wrote 220 million records. SimoneJackson ( talk) 01:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Harout, i've got some question for you so, i will ready for this list: 1) Why only the Britannica Encyclopedia and not also the Canadian? 2) Why MSNBC and Times are more realiable than Musica & Dischi that's a sort of Billboard in Italy? 3) Why Xohah Records is not realiable for Boney M sales? 4) Why the Hall of Fame aren't realiable? In this list there are other artists with source an Hall of Fame, for example The Carpenters has got the Hit Parade Hall of Fame. 5) Why when i posted high sources like ABC wasn't good? Only one high source is not enough? 6) Why the official web site is not realiable?
Thank you for your answer :)
SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh oh, calm. Don't angry...., i understand, but I don't understand because the Hall of Fames and the Canadian Encyclopedia aren't realiable in this list. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope my answers are satisfactory for you.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) P.S. So, can i re-post Johnny Mathis at the 200 million list with Hall of Fame like a source? You removed him, but Johnny Mathis wasn't in this list. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
ok, thank you :) SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Why the sales reported by Süddeutsche Zeitung for Celentano are fakes? The MTV link claims 120 million records only in Italy, not worldwide. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:00, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not needed to certifie an album or a single. Motown Records has certifified only some albums, but it sold million and million records. SimoneJackson ( talk) 17:54, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes i know, but not always. For example, Bad by Michael Jackson is 8x Multi-Platinum until 1994. It's from 1994 that's not updated. The majors don't certifie always, for example Ben by Michael Jackson, that's at least 2x Multi-Platinum in US, is not certified in this country, also Fearles by Taylor Swift according to Nielsen SoundScan is least 3x Multi-Platinum in US, but is not certified. SimoneJackson ( talk) 21:04, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Also other artists in this list haven't got much certifications. Four example: The Drifters and A.R. Rahman haven't got nothing. Bob Marley and Nana Mouskouri haven't got much certifications, at the limit they sold 50-100 million records according to your reasons (sorry for my English, i'm Italian :D)
I taken some markets with a big database. SimoneJackson ( talk) 23:23, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Beatles and Elvis Presley certifications don't arrive to say 1 billion records. At the limit 400/500 million records. For the ABBA, it'impossible that ABBA sold more than Michael Jackson. Their certifications arrives at the limit at 200 million records. Also Nana Mouskouri. SimoneJackson ( talk) 19:03, 09 August 2009 (UTC)
It's a mirror of Wikipedia's Metallica article - read the section underneath the biography. Funeral 18:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Read this version of Wikipedia's Metallica article from 2006. And compare it to the wording found in your weblink here. See anything similar?
It happens all the time. Lots of low-end websites steal content from Wikipedia all the time. Many will note that the content comes from Wiki. Some, like your activemusician.com link, tend will hide the source of the text. It's pretty simple. Read WP:V. Content must be verifiable. And Wikipedia can never be used as a source for itself. And right along with that... by common sense... websites that steal content from Wikipedia can't be used as a ref because that's just using a third party pipe to try and use Wikipedia as a source for itself. Hope that helps. Websites, in general, suck as far as reliable sources go. Notable books and notable pro publications are the best place to look for refs. My opinion is biased since I am a librarian. But I will go to printed paper for citations long before I resort to the internet. In this day and age where websites are concerned... if they don't list where there information os from or who the author is(and it must be a pro writer and not a blog)... assume it's been copied from Wiki... because it usually is. BTW. one of the other refs you added for Metallica is directly from metallica.com... a "self ref"... which is also frowned upon for being a good reliable source. A better one should be found to replace it ASAP. Hope that helps. 156.34.221.33 ( talk) 00:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Trust me, in my opinion, Wikipedia could only be improved by deleting half the articles that are here. Not only am I a staunch IP editor... I am an even stricter "deletionist". 2 million articles on English Wikipedia and 75% of them are pure junk. Why do I not think that the article is a reverse copy? I am a veteran Wikipedia editor (formally logged in but have chosen the "purity" of anonymous editing for over a year and a half) with an edit count of close to 50000(thats combined user account/IP) edits. I can remember the ongoing history of the Metallica article quite well since I have a huge number of vandal rv's just on that one article. (it's a magnet for vandals) If you review the edit history of the Metallica article throughout 2006 you will see that the "then" lead-in was composed and fleshed out by certain key editors like User:Master of Puppets(a former admin nominee and one of the most "liked" editors on Wikipedia), User:M3tal H3ad(a user with several Featured Articles under his belt and likely a future admin himself), Wiki admin User:Anger22 (a vandal/copyvio hunter with a mean streak) and User:LuciferMorgan (another editor with several Featured Articles on his Wiki-resume)... along with a few other "vets". Are you saying that these editors copied content from an external source... or that they were blind not to spot that copyvio content was being added in to that article? I highly doubt it. It's just another mirror site. 156.34.221.33 ( talk) 01:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, didn't really mean to call your edit vandalism with RVV. 220.253.8.185 ( talk) 09:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Give me one example please. I, in fact, so far have not removed anything from the list that didn't need to be removed. I have, moreover, been trying to keep that page as fairly sourced as one could possibly do. Having said that, I am now beginning to think that perhaps you are the kind of "sneaky" vandal as you like to call it since you've been hiding behind that anonymous IP even after you became quite disappointed over the fact that you no longer were going to be able to supposedly help the page after I requested for page protection. Regards.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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You still need to tag it properly. You currently have it tagged as a wikipedia screenshot, which it's not. If it's a creative commons image, you need to tag it as such. Retropunk ( talk) 05:20, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
I noticed you have two very similar images - with an upper case H and and the other with a lower case h. I'm not sure if you meant to do this or not. Retropunk ( talk) 05:52, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi there, seems you're getting hit by an IP hopper. Want me to instate a temporary semi-protection so you do not have to deal with all that hubbub? ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 06:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much, that was needed.-- Harout72 ( talk) 06:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I created his discography article, that's why I removed the most of the tables in that section, and keeping a list of his albums, just like for all articles of major artists with an extensive discography ( Eminem, Madonna, The Beatles an so on). Didn't you see the "See Eros Ramzzotti discography" link? I spent lots of time into doing this, so it doesn't feel nice when some clueless person shows up and tags everything as vandalism. So please, try understanding what you're doing before sending nice little templates labelling other edits as "not constructive". Udonknome ( talk) 18:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
According to Reuteurs, Frank Sinatra sold 150 million ALBUMS, not records. Look: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS162145+03-Mar-2008+PRN20080303 He sold 600 million records (albums, singles, greatest hits and compilation ecc...) http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19980516/13650964.html Simone Jackson ( talk) 18:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
That source don't count singles, box set ecc... If you say only albums, don't count also singles and other relases. Simone Jackson ( talk) 16:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
No, it based on singles, DVD, box set and other relases that's not classified like an album. Anyway, at the time, the singles sold more than albums. Simone Jackson ( talk) 20:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I proposed interesting changes to the article in the article's talk page. Would you like to have a look at them and comment please? thanks Udonknome ( talk) 03:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The "redone version" of Terra promessa from the compilation album Eros has no place in the discography. Please have a look at this: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies/style#What_should_not_be_included. It clearly says Non-original or previously-released material used on soundtracks, trailers, commercials, or any other compilation releases should not be included. Udonknome ( talk) 01:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for making the effort and searching for a free image of Eros Ramazzotti after the recent deletion discussion. Unfortunately, while the photo you uploaded ( Image:Eros Ramazzotti CC.jpg) is under a Creative Commons license, it is a "NC" version, which is not suitable for Wikipedia because it does not allow commercial use. Therefore have nominated it for deletion.
I went and looked for a replacement with a really suitable license and found Image:Eros Ramazzotti (early 1990s).jpg, which I am inserting into the article now.
Regards, High on a tree ( talk) 19:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The artist Ayumi Hamasaki does not belong on the list, and the reference provided says she has sold almost 50 million. 220.253.198.246 ( talk) 08:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Original Line: これまでシングル約2000万枚、アルバム5000万枚、計2000億円以上の売り上げを記録した。
English:So far about 20 million single sheets of 50 million CD albums in total sales of more than 200 billion yen recorded
Thought I would help out. Rgoodermote 20:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Harout72, just wondering why you sent me this link as some kind of evidence that the Scooter hit "Nessaja" is not included on the album Encore: Live And Direct? It clearly has Nessaja listed as the final track, and if that weren't enough the picture of the cover includes a bright yellow circle with the words "Inc. No-1 Hit Nessaja!". Also, you'll be interested to know that on the Scooter talk page you can now find three separate links to "Ramp!" being known merely as "The Logical Song" in the UK. Syxx ( talk) 05:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
You have recently violated a large number of Wikipedia policies. To begin with, it is forbidden to copy text from external sources as you have done on the page Eros Ramazzotti. The text you have added is stolen word by word from Der Stern and violates WP:CV. What is more, the text is entirely unencyclopedic, violating a host of policies, including WP:PEACOCK, WP:WEASEL and WP:NPOV. Lastly, accusing others of vandalism without reasons to do so violates WP:NPA. You had no reason to call my edit vandalism, as it should have been clear to anyone familiar with Wikipedia policies that the text had to be deleted as it was stolen from another source. Your edit, on the other hand, was a clear case of vandalism as it restored the text, including the theft. I will assume good faith and assume that you simply do not know the Wikipedia policies, but I suggest you read them and start to edit in accordance with them. Further violations of WP:CV might lead to you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. JdeJ ( talk) 18:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Please stop filling my talk page with your illogical rants. I'd be violating if I didn't credit the original source. -- Harout72 ( talk) 01:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hello Harout72, I am looking for a source on Luis Miguel, Let me know if this one works? http://www.ticketcity.com/Luis-Miguel-Tickets.html
It states "The "Latin Frank Sinatra", Luis Miguel boasts a carreer total of around 100 million records sold worldwide. Over the course of his career the singer has become one of the most successful spanish-speaking artists worldwide. Having accrewed mulitple Grammys, World Muisc Awards, and Billboard Awards, among many other honors, Miguel continues to pack venues all over the world.
and also.... http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/archive/peoplearchive.php/Luis_Miguel/biography
I persnally like this one from The University of Austin Texas Performing arts center
http://www.utpac.org/media/press/Luis_Miguel
seems for relieable- states 90 million.
Both sources you provided are irrelevant; the simple fact that they were FORMED in Australia or America does not mean they are from there. Considering that NONE of them are from either Australia or America, the only thing keeping them being listed as from those countries is the fact that they formed there, and nothing more. Both bands are fully comprised of British and Dutch citizens respectively - birthplace, citizenship, nationality of parents and where the band members grew up all determine the origins of the band (after all, the band members originated from a different country, so their origins lie there also).
I will change the article back to its correct form and I will continue to do so. Please, stop inserting errors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suicidal Lemming ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
"The second album Whispers was released in 1991, two singles were released off Anders' second solo album" How about the third one? http://swisscharts.com/showitem.asp?key=34541&cat=s http://www.discogs.com/release/1141357
"Anders co-wrote Tal Vez - a big hit in Latin America for Marta Sánchez" http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&fromrow=1&torow=25&affiliation=GEMA&cae=232570884&keyID=547135&keyname=COPPERFIELD%20CHRIS&querytype=WriterID check Tal Vez http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&keyID=1904336&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&querytype=WorkID http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/8073/charts_ta3.html
"Barcos De Cristal, which he released in Spanish only and was only available in Latin America" http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1418171 You can read on the back cover: "Manufactured and marketed by PolyGram Latino U.S., a division of PolyGram Records Inc. New York; Printed in the USA" Latin America could be defined as all those parts of the Americas that that speak languages stemming from Latin. Under this definition, much of the U.S. Southwest, Florida, and Louisiana would be included in the region. Bolafik ( talk) 21:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to say that I've provided an argument and supplement sources - including one from the band's label on the talk page. (By the way, when I reverted, the summary says "Please check before reverting. I provided reliable sources" - I meant to say "Please check talk page before reverting. I provided reliable sources").
Anyway, there are many reliable sources, however the only two I feel are necessary are this Yahoo Music story on Nirvana reaching 50 million, and this bio on Pearl Jam's label website that states they reached 60 million. Alice Mudgarden ( talk) 10:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Just want to say that you're doing a fantastic job with that List of best-selling music artists page. Well done. -- Anarchodin ( talk) 07:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr.Harout72, I saw your reply about my post in Talk:List of best-selling music artists, but I found 4 more reliable sources:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sabbath-Souls-black-t-shirt/dp/B001OR23BC
http://geekzkrieg.com/top-10-influential-metal-bands/
http://www.discogs.com/popular_artists
Shouldn't we change this? MainBegan ( talk) 22:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Mr. Harout72, Sorry for unnoticed by me Talk page of this article, I really forgot to see that. I have added to the talk page of this article 2 reliable sources of 2 artists: Alanis Morissette and Green Day. I'm waiting for your reaction. Borkan85 ( talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion it doesn't make sense to take the time to find a third party source. Why? Because where do the third party get the information? Yes! From the band itself or from the record company. So the official homepage is a reliable source. Show me here a rule where to find a THIRD PARTY SOURCE. That doesn't make sense in this case as it isn't a political site or something to argue about. So please be so kind to stay away from remove the sales figures.... otherwise I will take this dispute to a edit-war-court. Then will they decide! Andreas81 ( talk) 7:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
If you be so strikt: remove all the certifications as well. They aren't third party information, too. Andreas81 ( talk) 7:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Roxette discography. Note that the
three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the
three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be
blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a
consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue
dispute resolution.
The Real Libs-
speak politely
02:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
If this is what you are referring to [12], his efforts have gone in vain as I have reverted only twice [13], [14]. -- Harout72 ( talk) 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I have added some sales figures stated 7 (I hope) reliable sources. One newspaper (aftonbladet), MTV.de, and a source which was also used for the swiss charts and others. I hope that is fine with you. I have to admit I was a little bit angry that people repeatedly erase information from this site. If you look at other discographies on wikipedia like Madonna albums discography; she also have the official site as source. Some don't even have a source like Celine Dion albums discography or Katy Perry discography. It is a bit frustrating to see that some pages are not affected but the Roxette page. Or see Robbie Williams discography. I hope you are happy with the sources and this fight is over. Andreas81 ( talk) 9:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed you have changed Roxette's US sales figure to 2.7 million. Using the 2005 billboard source, which is more detailed. The total comes over 3.1 million. I'm not sure why you have changed it? Mattg82 ( talk) 01:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, the Recording Industry in U.S. had no actual way of scanning the sales before 1991. So, RIAA would simply rely- as far as the Certifications go- on as many units as the Record Companies would ship out regardless of whether they necessarily sold or not. In the same vein, as you see here, RIAA has certified Look Sharp Platinum, although the Industry has only been able to count the 402,000 units through help of Nielsen SoundScan (which was developed in 1991). After 1991, however, no matter how many units were shipped out RIAA would certify Gold or Platinum only those records which actually sold either 500,000 for Gold or 1 million for Platinum. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any discussion about this; the last talk page comment was Dec 9th by an anon. Maybe you should bring it on talk? Or bring it up with the editor on their talk page? :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 08:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
WP:AIV is much faster for basic vandalism like that. Warn them (you can go from 2nd or 3rd to 4th if you need to) and post it there. However at this point it has stopped and any blocking would probably be pointless (and maybe counterproductive). You can message my talk page if they start up immediately or it looks like the articles need to be protected or something. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It's ironic that you're a closet vandal, even though you're the main editor of an article.
Care to tell me what's unreliable about these two articles? http://www.pxdrive.com/album/QUEEN+(BAND)_pictures_agbcpic/ http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=6&no=270701&rel_no=1
The second is more reliable than the first, true, but they are no less reliable than many articles here.
You already made the mistake about AC/DC's nationality, are you honestly going to make a cock-up over this too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.79.114 ( talk) 01:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
You deleted a piece of information in the article Luis Miguel. Let me put it simple. You can't just delete sourced information in Wikipedia (exept in specific cases). Especially since the information was presented clearly as another opinion. At most you could have added the {{ dubious}} template.
I will not reverse your edit, because I agree that the 90mln was probably a misunderstanding or just plain wrong, in view of two other sources stating 50mln and 52mln. But you should be more carefull about your edits next time. Debresser ( talk) 18:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Please be informed that I have requested admin involvement in connection with your behaviour in this case. Debresser ( talk) 22:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Just like to say, it looks like you're doing a great job a List of best-selling music artists. I used to 'police', for want of a better word, that article when I edited Wikipedia regularly; I converted it from a random list of things people had written to the current categories system. I'm glad to see someone has continued watching it and has developed more stringent referencing criteria as well. If I could still log in, I'd give you a barnstar myself - but I'm not sure how much it would be widely appreciated due to my actions one day when I wasn't feeling entirely myself. Anyway, good on you and keep up the sort of work which gets all too often ignored. -- 129.234.4.1 ( talk) 14:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC) (Robdurbar from work)
Thanks for the citation. It's one of those things I know I read years ago, but couldn't find a citation when I put it in the article so hoped someone familiar with him would know where to look instead of just deleting it. Best, Abrazame ( talk) 21:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The Bee Gees are British, at the very least British-Australian. Same goes for AC/DC, and Van Halen is similar - they are either Dutch or Dutch-American.
The article says COUNTRY, not ORIGIN. Where does it say that we are to list what country they formed in? Where in the article, where in wikipedia? What gives YOU the right to illogically dictate that we are discussing origin instead of what country the bands are actually from?
The article says COUNTRY, and NOT origin. Therefore, we are discussing what country the band are from rather than where they originated and formed. Because of this, it is wholly incorrect for the 3 bands mentioned to be listed as they currently are.
Considering that all 3 members of the Bee Gees were British and none are from Australia, it is incorrect to say that the band is Australian. How can it possibly be Australian if it never contained a single Australian citizen? They weren't even naturalised Australians when they formed, they were British citizens living in Australia!
So please, stop with this nonsense. It isn't going to go away. I can find numerous sources stating that the Bee Gees are at least Anglo-Australian, and considering that wikipedia is to be editted according to sources instead of opinions, then that is what we should be using. Please stop incorrectly reverting as you have done so many times before. —Preceding
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Considering that you have repeatedly vandalised that page it is rather rich of you to criticise me of vandalising it.
I was right that the Bee Gees had sold 300 million albums. I was right that Queen had sold 300 million albums. I was right that AC/DC are British-Australian, I was right that Van Halen were Dutch-American and now I'm right that the Bee Gees are a British band.
Yte you have constantly reverted my correct edits and replaced with, effectively, vandalism and lies. When will you learn some common sense? The Bee Gees are a British band; please stop listening to your opinions and edit the article based on the facts. —Preceding
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Thank you for clearing out all the glaring errors by an anon IP on Roxette. But I reverted two of your edits in this article. The Dean Cushman story is true. How can you ask for reliable sources when the only printed source is a 1992 book by Larz Lundgren & Jan-Owe Wikström titled "Roxette: The Book." My local library doesn't carry it and why would they for a band that was hot for only 2 short years. Its not like they were the Beatles. This book was written 9 yrs before Marie's cancer. Without Cushman, no one in America would care about an obscure Swedish music duo named Roxette; Gessle & Marie openly note the Cushman story here
Let's try and clean-up that page as it's in quite a mess, and leaving statements such as the The Dean Cushman story within and supporting it with blogs makes the article even more doubtful. Since, Roxette is not a one-hit-wonder act, there should always be an article about pretty much everything that has played a significant role within their career. The information about the exchange student may not have been published in US since they have not collected that many Golds/Platinums here. However, it is available in German since Germany has been their biggest market with countless Golds/Platinums with sales of over 5 million records.
Anyways, I have replaced the blog supporting the "Dean Cushman Story" with a reliable source published in German. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
It's interesting you dismissed my edit, because I took great care to maintain the information you added to the list (Yes, I do acknowledge/appreciate your hard work). The only problem was the citation for the Spanish certifications. I did omit the European IFPI certification. Most featured artist discographies don't list it. What I did change were the country codes because they were (and are, now that you reverted) all over the place. I changed the order in which the certifications were listed to coincide with the chart list. I did away with unnecessary bold text and redundancies. I reformatted to take advantage of the infobox page jump links. I added new information. Sure, I made changes, but your work remained the same. The certifications were not "messed up". I made a side by side comparison. Pray tell, what was really wrong with my revision? Seriously, "if you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly…do not submit it." Oskarg956 ( talk) 05:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
you allow this as a source? (the host is asking a question and she tells ozzy they've sold more than 50 million records... it's an interview!!) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275497,00.html
and for micheal jacksson you accept reuters - how do you know that 750 is a reasonable sum of all records sold? Rolling stones reuters Cher reuters Sinatra reuters Motley Crue reuters
so it seems as it all comes down to what you think is 'reasonable'.. one person, instead of a source.. then what's the point of haing the "list of best-selling..." ? It will not be credible.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.113.51.158 ( talk) 09:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to tell you that you did not really put anything new there. Country charts need to be mentioned. Langdon ( talk) 23:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Really? I happen to be a music analyst myself, you should have gone through my edits to see what kind of articles I edit before labeling me with a statement of that kind. And no, when it comes to chart-tables within wikipedia, it's unnecessary to have positions other than those that are taken from official charts. My edits gave an easier access to the the sources. Not to mention that I provided sources that are more reliable.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't directly have to do with any page you're currently editing, but there is a user who wrote on the discussion page of List of Best Selling Music Artists in Section 50, What's up with Sarah Brightman?, that the 73 million record sales formed by the combination of soundtracks, albums, DVDs, and singles is considered original research, even if each part of it is properly sourced. The Original Research page indicates original research "includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions." Clearly the information is not unpublished fact, argument, speculation or idea. It is not analysis. Does synthesis of published material mean just subjective argument, or objective data as well? I wouldn't have expected that using the definition of a word and some simple addition would have constituted original research. Is the statement, therefore, acceptable according to Wikipedia standards?
As well, I believe you indicated some time ago that soundtracks are not to be included in record sales for the List of Best Selling Music Artists page. Is this correct?
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What I meant was that no certification exists for multiple-gold. Platinum is the the RIAA award that is multiplied. Golds aren't stacked on top of platinum awards. Since labels have to apply for RIAA certs, it's very feasible that the gold award was added later by accident or oversight or who-knows-what-else (kinda the same as when a label will go through its back-catalog and apply for certifications on a whole slew of past singles years after their release). If a release attains a platinum award then I don't think there is even a reason to mention gold in the article anymore since it already implies a higher level of shipments. - eo ( talk) 11:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm new here, and still learning... This is a proof that Culcure Beat "I Like You" song made entry to UK Top 100: http://www.theofficialcharts.com/artist/_/culture%20beat%20with%20lana%20e%20and%20jay%20supreme Please add url and entry to the table. Thanx.
I'm not the vandal, the only vandalising I see is your reverts. AC/DC is a British/Australian band. It's actually just British, and I can find a source for that too. Van Halen is a band from The Netherlands, but it was more reasonable to simply state that it was both from The Netherlands and the US. Remember, all of them are from Holland. Rolling Stones' source is indeed reliable. You removed them entirely and THAT is vandalising the article. The Bee Gees' source is very reliable. There is no need for 3rd party sources; that is a ridiculous rule that should be removed. If not, then you can remove Elvis entirely as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.115.87.125 ( talk) 16:09, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Again, you are incorrect. Billboard is reliable, but irrelevant to the topic at hand. They are simply as ignorant as you. Of course the nationality of the band matters; they represent The Netherlands as much as the US.
And regarding AC/DC, I think you'll find I have an excellent history in righting certain wrongs on that article. Anyone with any sort of sense would realise that they are of course a British band; if you call correcting a mistake vandalism, you're on the wrong site.
Hi, I was interested in your edit here. Can you explain what you mean in the edit summary please? Thanks in advance, -- John ( talk) 08:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I guess we could live with without having a flag icon plastered next to the name of a country. The wiki policy is in a way right and so are you honestly, it does stand as sort of a decoration. That's fine.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
I noticed you wrote in an edit summary: "Why was the image of Celebrate the Nun removed?" I would make two comments about your edit. First, per Help:reverting, reversion is used against vandalism or vandal-like edits. Using it when (as your edit summary indicates) you don't understand the policy involved is a bad idea. Secondly, the image was removed on copyright grounds. Here is a good starting point to understand why using nonfree images this way is also a bad idea. Let me know if I can help you with anything else. -- John ( talk) 16:27, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll try to downsize it. Thanks and appreciate your kindness.-- Harout72 ( talk) 04:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
You said, "User:Garik 11 reverted 7 version back instead of only 2, please observe the edits and differ vandals from non-vandals". But I do not see how my edit could result in that. I only re-added one sourced entry which had been removed. Please take note. Garik 11 ( talk) 21:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
OK. SimoneJackson ( talk) 11:31, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
I posted Adriano Celentano in the 200 million list at the 220 million records, because the first source claims 200 million records worldwide (100 million only in Italy), the second source claims 120 million in Italy, so i wrote 220 million records. SimoneJackson ( talk) 01:04, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Hi Harout, i've got some question for you so, i will ready for this list: 1) Why only the Britannica Encyclopedia and not also the Canadian? 2) Why MSNBC and Times are more realiable than Musica & Dischi that's a sort of Billboard in Italy? 3) Why Xohah Records is not realiable for Boney M sales? 4) Why the Hall of Fame aren't realiable? In this list there are other artists with source an Hall of Fame, for example The Carpenters has got the Hit Parade Hall of Fame. 5) Why when i posted high sources like ABC wasn't good? Only one high source is not enough? 6) Why the official web site is not realiable?
Thank you for your answer :)
SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:05, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh oh, calm. Don't angry...., i understand, but I don't understand because the Hall of Fames and the Canadian Encyclopedia aren't realiable in this list. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
I hope my answers are satisfactory for you.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:30, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you very much :) P.S. So, can i re-post Johnny Mathis at the 200 million list with Hall of Fame like a source? You removed him, but Johnny Mathis wasn't in this list. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:40, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
ok, thank you :) SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Why the sales reported by Süddeutsche Zeitung for Celentano are fakes? The MTV link claims 120 million records only in Italy, not worldwide. SimoneJackson ( talk) 02:00, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
It's not needed to certifie an album or a single. Motown Records has certifified only some albums, but it sold million and million records. SimoneJackson ( talk) 17:54, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Yes i know, but not always. For example, Bad by Michael Jackson is 8x Multi-Platinum until 1994. It's from 1994 that's not updated. The majors don't certifie always, for example Ben by Michael Jackson, that's at least 2x Multi-Platinum in US, is not certified in this country, also Fearles by Taylor Swift according to Nielsen SoundScan is least 3x Multi-Platinum in US, but is not certified. SimoneJackson ( talk) 21:04, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Also other artists in this list haven't got much certifications. Four example: The Drifters and A.R. Rahman haven't got nothing. Bob Marley and Nana Mouskouri haven't got much certifications, at the limit they sold 50-100 million records according to your reasons (sorry for my English, i'm Italian :D)
I taken some markets with a big database. SimoneJackson ( talk) 23:23, 01 August 2009 (UTC)
Beatles and Elvis Presley certifications don't arrive to say 1 billion records. At the limit 400/500 million records. For the ABBA, it'impossible that ABBA sold more than Michael Jackson. Their certifications arrives at the limit at 200 million records. Also Nana Mouskouri. SimoneJackson ( talk) 19:03, 09 August 2009 (UTC)
It's a mirror of Wikipedia's Metallica article - read the section underneath the biography. Funeral 18:45, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
Read this version of Wikipedia's Metallica article from 2006. And compare it to the wording found in your weblink here. See anything similar?
It happens all the time. Lots of low-end websites steal content from Wikipedia all the time. Many will note that the content comes from Wiki. Some, like your activemusician.com link, tend will hide the source of the text. It's pretty simple. Read WP:V. Content must be verifiable. And Wikipedia can never be used as a source for itself. And right along with that... by common sense... websites that steal content from Wikipedia can't be used as a ref because that's just using a third party pipe to try and use Wikipedia as a source for itself. Hope that helps. Websites, in general, suck as far as reliable sources go. Notable books and notable pro publications are the best place to look for refs. My opinion is biased since I am a librarian. But I will go to printed paper for citations long before I resort to the internet. In this day and age where websites are concerned... if they don't list where there information os from or who the author is(and it must be a pro writer and not a blog)... assume it's been copied from Wiki... because it usually is. BTW. one of the other refs you added for Metallica is directly from metallica.com... a "self ref"... which is also frowned upon for being a good reliable source. A better one should be found to replace it ASAP. Hope that helps. 156.34.221.33 ( talk) 00:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Trust me, in my opinion, Wikipedia could only be improved by deleting half the articles that are here. Not only am I a staunch IP editor... I am an even stricter "deletionist". 2 million articles on English Wikipedia and 75% of them are pure junk. Why do I not think that the article is a reverse copy? I am a veteran Wikipedia editor (formally logged in but have chosen the "purity" of anonymous editing for over a year and a half) with an edit count of close to 50000(thats combined user account/IP) edits. I can remember the ongoing history of the Metallica article quite well since I have a huge number of vandal rv's just on that one article. (it's a magnet for vandals) If you review the edit history of the Metallica article throughout 2006 you will see that the "then" lead-in was composed and fleshed out by certain key editors like User:Master of Puppets(a former admin nominee and one of the most "liked" editors on Wikipedia), User:M3tal H3ad(a user with several Featured Articles under his belt and likely a future admin himself), Wiki admin User:Anger22 (a vandal/copyvio hunter with a mean streak) and User:LuciferMorgan (another editor with several Featured Articles on his Wiki-resume)... along with a few other "vets". Are you saying that these editors copied content from an external source... or that they were blind not to spot that copyvio content was being added in to that article? I highly doubt it. It's just another mirror site. 156.34.221.33 ( talk) 01:09, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Hey, didn't really mean to call your edit vandalism with RVV. 220.253.8.185 ( talk) 09:19, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Give me one example please. I, in fact, so far have not removed anything from the list that didn't need to be removed. I have, moreover, been trying to keep that page as fairly sourced as one could possibly do. Having said that, I am now beginning to think that perhaps you are the kind of "sneaky" vandal as you like to call it since you've been hiding behind that anonymous IP even after you became quite disappointed over the fact that you no longer were going to be able to supposedly help the page after I requested for page protection. Regards.-- Harout72 ( talk) 03:24, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
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Hi there, seems you're getting hit by an IP hopper. Want me to instate a temporary semi-protection so you do not have to deal with all that hubbub? ¤~Persian Poet Gal (talk) 06:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
Thanks very much, that was needed.-- Harout72 ( talk) 06:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
I created his discography article, that's why I removed the most of the tables in that section, and keeping a list of his albums, just like for all articles of major artists with an extensive discography ( Eminem, Madonna, The Beatles an so on). Didn't you see the "See Eros Ramzzotti discography" link? I spent lots of time into doing this, so it doesn't feel nice when some clueless person shows up and tags everything as vandalism. So please, try understanding what you're doing before sending nice little templates labelling other edits as "not constructive". Udonknome ( talk) 18:58, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
According to Reuteurs, Frank Sinatra sold 150 million ALBUMS, not records. Look: http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS162145+03-Mar-2008+PRN20080303 He sold 600 million records (albums, singles, greatest hits and compilation ecc...) http://www.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19980516/13650964.html Simone Jackson ( talk) 18:07, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
That source don't count singles, box set ecc... If you say only albums, don't count also singles and other relases. Simone Jackson ( talk) 16:32, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
No, it based on singles, DVD, box set and other relases that's not classified like an album. Anyway, at the time, the singles sold more than albums. Simone Jackson ( talk) 20:46, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
I proposed interesting changes to the article in the article's talk page. Would you like to have a look at them and comment please? thanks Udonknome ( talk) 03:29, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
The "redone version" of Terra promessa from the compilation album Eros has no place in the discography. Please have a look at this: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Discographies/style#What_should_not_be_included. It clearly says Non-original or previously-released material used on soundtracks, trailers, commercials, or any other compilation releases should not be included. Udonknome ( talk) 01:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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I went and looked for a replacement with a really suitable license and found Image:Eros Ramazzotti (early 1990s).jpg, which I am inserting into the article now.
Regards, High on a tree ( talk) 19:33, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
The artist Ayumi Hamasaki does not belong on the list, and the reference provided says she has sold almost 50 million. 220.253.198.246 ( talk) 08:56, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
Original Line: これまでシングル約2000万枚、アルバム5000万枚、計2000億円以上の売り上げを記録した。
English:So far about 20 million single sheets of 50 million CD albums in total sales of more than 200 billion yen recorded
Thought I would help out. Rgoodermote 20:57, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Hi Harout72, just wondering why you sent me this link as some kind of evidence that the Scooter hit "Nessaja" is not included on the album Encore: Live And Direct? It clearly has Nessaja listed as the final track, and if that weren't enough the picture of the cover includes a bright yellow circle with the words "Inc. No-1 Hit Nessaja!". Also, you'll be interested to know that on the Scooter talk page you can now find three separate links to "Ramp!" being known merely as "The Logical Song" in the UK. Syxx ( talk) 05:33, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
You have recently violated a large number of Wikipedia policies. To begin with, it is forbidden to copy text from external sources as you have done on the page Eros Ramazzotti. The text you have added is stolen word by word from Der Stern and violates WP:CV. What is more, the text is entirely unencyclopedic, violating a host of policies, including WP:PEACOCK, WP:WEASEL and WP:NPOV. Lastly, accusing others of vandalism without reasons to do so violates WP:NPA. You had no reason to call my edit vandalism, as it should have been clear to anyone familiar with Wikipedia policies that the text had to be deleted as it was stolen from another source. Your edit, on the other hand, was a clear case of vandalism as it restored the text, including the theft. I will assume good faith and assume that you simply do not know the Wikipedia policies, but I suggest you read them and start to edit in accordance with them. Further violations of WP:CV might lead to you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. JdeJ ( talk) 18:30, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
Please stop filling my talk page with your illogical rants. I'd be violating if I didn't credit the original source. -- Harout72 ( talk) 01:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
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Hello Harout72, I am looking for a source on Luis Miguel, Let me know if this one works? http://www.ticketcity.com/Luis-Miguel-Tickets.html
It states "The "Latin Frank Sinatra", Luis Miguel boasts a carreer total of around 100 million records sold worldwide. Over the course of his career the singer has become one of the most successful spanish-speaking artists worldwide. Having accrewed mulitple Grammys, World Muisc Awards, and Billboard Awards, among many other honors, Miguel continues to pack venues all over the world.
and also.... http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/archive/peoplearchive.php/Luis_Miguel/biography
I persnally like this one from The University of Austin Texas Performing arts center
http://www.utpac.org/media/press/Luis_Miguel
seems for relieable- states 90 million.
Both sources you provided are irrelevant; the simple fact that they were FORMED in Australia or America does not mean they are from there. Considering that NONE of them are from either Australia or America, the only thing keeping them being listed as from those countries is the fact that they formed there, and nothing more. Both bands are fully comprised of British and Dutch citizens respectively - birthplace, citizenship, nationality of parents and where the band members grew up all determine the origins of the band (after all, the band members originated from a different country, so their origins lie there also).
I will change the article back to its correct form and I will continue to do so. Please, stop inserting errors. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Suicidal Lemming ( talk • contribs) 19:08, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
"The second album Whispers was released in 1991, two singles were released off Anders' second solo album" How about the third one? http://swisscharts.com/showitem.asp?key=34541&cat=s http://www.discogs.com/release/1141357
"Anders co-wrote Tal Vez - a big hit in Latin America for Marta Sánchez" http://repertoire.bmi.com/writer.asp?page=1&blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&fromrow=1&torow=25&affiliation=GEMA&cae=232570884&keyID=547135&keyname=COPPERFIELD%20CHRIS&querytype=WriterID check Tal Vez http://repertoire.bmi.com/title.asp?blnWriter=True&blnPublisher=True&blnArtist=True&keyID=1904336&ShowNbr=0&ShowSeqNbr=0&querytype=WorkID http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Heights/8073/charts_ta3.html
"Barcos De Cristal, which he released in Spanish only and was only available in Latin America" http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1418171 You can read on the back cover: "Manufactured and marketed by PolyGram Latino U.S., a division of PolyGram Records Inc. New York; Printed in the USA" Latin America could be defined as all those parts of the Americas that that speak languages stemming from Latin. Under this definition, much of the U.S. Southwest, Florida, and Louisiana would be included in the region. Bolafik ( talk) 21:20, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to say that I've provided an argument and supplement sources - including one from the band's label on the talk page. (By the way, when I reverted, the summary says "Please check before reverting. I provided reliable sources" - I meant to say "Please check talk page before reverting. I provided reliable sources").
Anyway, there are many reliable sources, however the only two I feel are necessary are this Yahoo Music story on Nirvana reaching 50 million, and this bio on Pearl Jam's label website that states they reached 60 million. Alice Mudgarden ( talk) 10:06, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
Just want to say that you're doing a fantastic job with that List of best-selling music artists page. Well done. -- Anarchodin ( talk) 07:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Dear Mr.Harout72, I saw your reply about my post in Talk:List of best-selling music artists, but I found 4 more reliable sources:
http://www.amazon.com/Black-Sabbath-Souls-black-t-shirt/dp/B001OR23BC
http://geekzkrieg.com/top-10-influential-metal-bands/
http://www.discogs.com/popular_artists
Shouldn't we change this? MainBegan ( talk) 22:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello, Mr. Harout72, Sorry for unnoticed by me Talk page of this article, I really forgot to see that. I have added to the talk page of this article 2 reliable sources of 2 artists: Alanis Morissette and Green Day. I'm waiting for your reaction. Borkan85 ( talk) 13:00, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
In my opinion it doesn't make sense to take the time to find a third party source. Why? Because where do the third party get the information? Yes! From the band itself or from the record company. So the official homepage is a reliable source. Show me here a rule where to find a THIRD PARTY SOURCE. That doesn't make sense in this case as it isn't a political site or something to argue about. So please be so kind to stay away from remove the sales figures.... otherwise I will take this dispute to a edit-war-court. Then will they decide! Andreas81 ( talk) 7:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
If you be so strikt: remove all the certifications as well. They aren't third party information, too. Andreas81 ( talk) 7:32, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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If this is what you are referring to [12], his efforts have gone in vain as I have reverted only twice [13], [14]. -- Harout72 ( talk) 03:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I have added some sales figures stated 7 (I hope) reliable sources. One newspaper (aftonbladet), MTV.de, and a source which was also used for the swiss charts and others. I hope that is fine with you. I have to admit I was a little bit angry that people repeatedly erase information from this site. If you look at other discographies on wikipedia like Madonna albums discography; she also have the official site as source. Some don't even have a source like Celine Dion albums discography or Katy Perry discography. It is a bit frustrating to see that some pages are not affected but the Roxette page. Or see Robbie Williams discography. I hope you are happy with the sources and this fight is over. Andreas81 ( talk) 9:11, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed you have changed Roxette's US sales figure to 2.7 million. Using the 2005 billboard source, which is more detailed. The total comes over 3.1 million. I'm not sure why you have changed it? Mattg82 ( talk) 01:05, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, the Recording Industry in U.S. had no actual way of scanning the sales before 1991. So, RIAA would simply rely- as far as the Certifications go- on as many units as the Record Companies would ship out regardless of whether they necessarily sold or not. In the same vein, as you see here, RIAA has certified Look Sharp Platinum, although the Industry has only been able to count the 402,000 units through help of Nielsen SoundScan (which was developed in 1991). After 1991, however, no matter how many units were shipped out RIAA would certify Gold or Platinum only those records which actually sold either 500,000 for Gold or 1 million for Platinum. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
There isn't any discussion about this; the last talk page comment was Dec 9th by an anon. Maybe you should bring it on talk? Or bring it up with the editor on their talk page? :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 08:01, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
WP:AIV is much faster for basic vandalism like that. Warn them (you can go from 2nd or 3rd to 4th if you need to) and post it there. However at this point it has stopped and any blocking would probably be pointless (and maybe counterproductive). You can message my talk page if they start up immediately or it looks like the articles need to be protected or something. -- Ricky81682 ( talk) 05:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
It's ironic that you're a closet vandal, even though you're the main editor of an article.
Care to tell me what's unreliable about these two articles? http://www.pxdrive.com/album/QUEEN+(BAND)_pictures_agbcpic/ http://english.ohmynews.com/articleview/article_view.asp?article_class=6&no=270701&rel_no=1
The second is more reliable than the first, true, but they are no less reliable than many articles here.
You already made the mistake about AC/DC's nationality, are you honestly going to make a cock-up over this too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.112.79.114 ( talk) 01:29, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
You deleted a piece of information in the article Luis Miguel. Let me put it simple. You can't just delete sourced information in Wikipedia (exept in specific cases). Especially since the information was presented clearly as another opinion. At most you could have added the {{ dubious}} template.
I will not reverse your edit, because I agree that the 90mln was probably a misunderstanding or just plain wrong, in view of two other sources stating 50mln and 52mln. But you should be more carefull about your edits next time. Debresser ( talk) 18:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Please be informed that I have requested admin involvement in connection with your behaviour in this case. Debresser ( talk) 22:18, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
Just like to say, it looks like you're doing a great job a List of best-selling music artists. I used to 'police', for want of a better word, that article when I edited Wikipedia regularly; I converted it from a random list of things people had written to the current categories system. I'm glad to see someone has continued watching it and has developed more stringent referencing criteria as well. If I could still log in, I'd give you a barnstar myself - but I'm not sure how much it would be widely appreciated due to my actions one day when I wasn't feeling entirely myself. Anyway, good on you and keep up the sort of work which gets all too often ignored. -- 129.234.4.1 ( talk) 14:16, 9 March 2009 (UTC) (Robdurbar from work)
Thanks for the citation. It's one of those things I know I read years ago, but couldn't find a citation when I put it in the article so hoped someone familiar with him would know where to look instead of just deleting it. Best, Abrazame ( talk) 21:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
The Bee Gees are British, at the very least British-Australian. Same goes for AC/DC, and Van Halen is similar - they are either Dutch or Dutch-American.
The article says COUNTRY, not ORIGIN. Where does it say that we are to list what country they formed in? Where in the article, where in wikipedia? What gives YOU the right to illogically dictate that we are discussing origin instead of what country the bands are actually from?
The article says COUNTRY, and NOT origin. Therefore, we are discussing what country the band are from rather than where they originated and formed. Because of this, it is wholly incorrect for the 3 bands mentioned to be listed as they currently are.
Considering that all 3 members of the Bee Gees were British and none are from Australia, it is incorrect to say that the band is Australian. How can it possibly be Australian if it never contained a single Australian citizen? They weren't even naturalised Australians when they formed, they were British citizens living in Australia!
So please, stop with this nonsense. It isn't going to go away. I can find numerous sources stating that the Bee Gees are at least Anglo-Australian, and considering that wikipedia is to be editted according to sources instead of opinions, then that is what we should be using. Please stop incorrectly reverting as you have done so many times before. —Preceding
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00:10, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Considering that you have repeatedly vandalised that page it is rather rich of you to criticise me of vandalising it.
I was right that the Bee Gees had sold 300 million albums. I was right that Queen had sold 300 million albums. I was right that AC/DC are British-Australian, I was right that Van Halen were Dutch-American and now I'm right that the Bee Gees are a British band.
Yte you have constantly reverted my correct edits and replaced with, effectively, vandalism and lies. When will you learn some common sense? The Bee Gees are a British band; please stop listening to your opinions and edit the article based on the facts. —Preceding
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Thank you for clearing out all the glaring errors by an anon IP on Roxette. But I reverted two of your edits in this article. The Dean Cushman story is true. How can you ask for reliable sources when the only printed source is a 1992 book by Larz Lundgren & Jan-Owe Wikström titled "Roxette: The Book." My local library doesn't carry it and why would they for a band that was hot for only 2 short years. Its not like they were the Beatles. This book was written 9 yrs before Marie's cancer. Without Cushman, no one in America would care about an obscure Swedish music duo named Roxette; Gessle & Marie openly note the Cushman story here
Let's try and clean-up that page as it's in quite a mess, and leaving statements such as the The Dean Cushman story within and supporting it with blogs makes the article even more doubtful. Since, Roxette is not a one-hit-wonder act, there should always be an article about pretty much everything that has played a significant role within their career. The information about the exchange student may not have been published in US since they have not collected that many Golds/Platinums here. However, it is available in German since Germany has been their biggest market with countless Golds/Platinums with sales of over 5 million records.
Anyways, I have replaced the blog supporting the "Dean Cushman Story" with a reliable source published in German. -- Harout72 ( talk) 16:58, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
It's interesting you dismissed my edit, because I took great care to maintain the information you added to the list (Yes, I do acknowledge/appreciate your hard work). The only problem was the citation for the Spanish certifications. I did omit the European IFPI certification. Most featured artist discographies don't list it. What I did change were the country codes because they were (and are, now that you reverted) all over the place. I changed the order in which the certifications were listed to coincide with the chart list. I did away with unnecessary bold text and redundancies. I reformatted to take advantage of the infobox page jump links. I added new information. Sure, I made changes, but your work remained the same. The certifications were not "messed up". I made a side by side comparison. Pray tell, what was really wrong with my revision? Seriously, "if you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly…do not submit it." Oskarg956 ( talk) 05:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
you allow this as a source? (the host is asking a question and she tells ozzy they've sold more than 50 million records... it's an interview!!) http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,275497,00.html
and for micheal jacksson you accept reuters - how do you know that 750 is a reasonable sum of all records sold? Rolling stones reuters Cher reuters Sinatra reuters Motley Crue reuters
so it seems as it all comes down to what you think is 'reasonable'.. one person, instead of a source.. then what's the point of haing the "list of best-selling..." ? It will not be credible.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.113.51.158 ( talk) 09:28, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to tell you that you did not really put anything new there. Country charts need to be mentioned. Langdon ( talk) 23:56, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
Really? I happen to be a music analyst myself, you should have gone through my edits to see what kind of articles I edit before labeling me with a statement of that kind. And no, when it comes to chart-tables within wikipedia, it's unnecessary to have positions other than those that are taken from official charts. My edits gave an easier access to the the sources. Not to mention that I provided sources that are more reliable.-- Harout72 ( talk) 00:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
This doesn't directly have to do with any page you're currently editing, but there is a user who wrote on the discussion page of List of Best Selling Music Artists in Section 50, What's up with Sarah Brightman?, that the 73 million record sales formed by the combination of soundtracks, albums, DVDs, and singles is considered original research, even if each part of it is properly sourced. The Original Research page indicates original research "includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, arguments, or conclusions." Clearly the information is not unpublished fact, argument, speculation or idea. It is not analysis. Does synthesis of published material mean just subjective argument, or objective data as well? I wouldn't have expected that using the definition of a word and some simple addition would have constituted original research. Is the statement, therefore, acceptable according to Wikipedia standards?
As well, I believe you indicated some time ago that soundtracks are not to be included in record sales for the List of Best Selling Music Artists page. Is this correct?
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What I meant was that no certification exists for multiple-gold. Platinum is the the RIAA award that is multiplied. Golds aren't stacked on top of platinum awards. Since labels have to apply for RIAA certs, it's very feasible that the gold award was added later by accident or oversight or who-knows-what-else (kinda the same as when a label will go through its back-catalog and apply for certifications on a whole slew of past singles years after their release). If a release attains a platinum award then I don't think there is even a reason to mention gold in the article anymore since it already implies a higher level of shipments. - eo ( talk) 11:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm new here, and still learning... This is a proof that Culcure Beat "I Like You" song made entry to UK Top 100: http://www.theofficialcharts.com/artist/_/culture%20beat%20with%20lana%20e%20and%20jay%20supreme Please add url and entry to the table. Thanx.