I will file an RfC against you if you harass me any further. She does not have any relation to me; you can tell this by going through her contributions and judging by her writing-style. We do, however, share similar interests, but not very strong interests. Remove your ridiculous comment. — Eternal Equinox | talk 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It's true enough that the question immediately occurred to me. It looks relatively unlikely, though. I sure wouldn't want to be nominated by such a puppetmaster though. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I see his page his page is protected just like yours, but I don't think so. Anyhow don't let me keep you, run along now and play outside. Giano | talk 22:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, noes, file an RFC! Giano, are you mad, to invite such a fate? Prepare yourself for hell, that's all. Bishonen | talk 02:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC).
Don't say I don't do anything for you. --
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PS there's
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In all the time that you've known me do I appear to be the sort of person who would even understand football, leave alone shown flags in support of it? For Eurovision, no problem, maybe even for the Olympics. Right now I just wish the World Cup would go away... --
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Well thank you Giano, the Italian flag has been printed off and is flying from my car as we speak. What's that noise, it sounds like glass breaking followed by a car alarm...? --
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You might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review#FAs with citation problems. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 20:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Giano
I note your views concerning the new referencing requirements for FAs, the thorny issue of how it affects existing FAs, and the debate you had with Wackymacs about it.
I thought you'd like to know that I've been asked a few times for examples of model prose in FAs, and I recommended Sanssouci.
Tony
Thanks for your note. The MGC’s time there is only a very short part of Belton’s history but it is an important one in that the corps was a significant link in the chain of events and organizations which won the First World War. My brother knows more about this subject than I do and I shall be seeing him before the end of the month so I’ll let you know what references he has. Meanwhile, there are some bits and pieces available, though you have probably found them already by Google search. http://www.1914-1918.net/mgc.htm summarizes the MGC’s history but with no more than a mention of Grantham. (The depot was in the southern end of Belton Park, which runs into the northern end of Grantham so in this connection, for Grantham, you can read Belton. Indeed, some of modern Grantham is on land which was formerly wartime military camp but I believe that most of the army property outside the park was used by non-MGC units. The Wikipedia article Machine Gun Corps repeats the story and is based on material from The MGC Old Comrades’ Association. The link in the article is now dead but seems to have been replaced by this one http://www.machineguncorps.co.uk/ . There is a bibliography on http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/MGC.htm#monu . There are several links like this http://www.ozigen.com/tree/p621.htm ,which mention training at Belton but are brief . However, this gives a little more incidental detail http://www.jjhc.info/heathleopold1966.htm . Here we get a hint of the conditions there http://walterwildgoose.blogspot.com/ . ( RJP 21:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC))
/me is ashamed. I'm sorry! I abase myself in apology! I went medieval on the Footnote Extravaganza! I couldn't stand it — you realize there are as of now only FOUR actual references that you've used? And all those footnotes went on and on making a full meal of each of those four books over and over... I'm sorry, I couldn't stand it, it was killing me. Revert if you don't like it (and if you wish to kill me). Meanwhile, please add places of publication in the References section, where I've indicated it, and if you have the books handy. (Incidentally, what I've done is a simple standard reader-friendly academic-journal system, as used in the balloon article, and as opposed to a Special Barbed Wire Wikipedian Erudite-Looking Weirdness Used Nowhere Else.) Bishonen | talk 21:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC).
smurrayinch ester( User), ( Talk) 21:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Nice work on expanding Belton House from an outhouse of an article to a castle! ... and also your many other architectural articles. Have a nice mansion as a memento! With regards and respect... + + Lar: t/ c 21:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you've uploaded all of the images that you took of Belton House as GIFs. GIF is not a suitable format for the image types you have uploaded. It is limited to 256 colours and is suited to diagramatic files and simple shapes. Photographs are far better uploaded as JPEGs. David Newton 21:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Neo-Renaissance, please accept my apologies if i have been discourteous. I stumbled across the article and it didn't seem to have been edited (other than the odd tweak) for about a month, I was impressed by it's quality and so was bold and submitted for peer review. No offence was intended, actually the reverse. -- Mcginnly 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
You got your message in very smartly. I had altered the link then noted the problem you pointed out. While I was still trying to reconcile the pieces of information, I got notification of your communication. My easiest course is to revert my alteration but that would still leave the question of which Lord Willoughby the dead daughter was lined up for. There were two lines of Lords Willoughby, de Eresby and of Parham. They were on opposite sides in the Civil War. I guess that your source does not make the matter clear, as you have not already clarified the matter in the article. The de Eresby line was the one prominent in Kesteven. You will of course have noted the Baron Willoughby de Eresby article. I shall leave it to you to revert my meddling so that our actions do not conflict. Sorry. ( RJP 20:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC))
I saw that you made a comment that came and went. Apologies if you don't like the changes - he is only trying to help. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
So? Let me know when (if) you'd like a bit of a copyedit. Sillily, I haven't actually read the article yet, it strikes me. And how would you like those notes? (I'm only trying to help, too...
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Greetings, Giano!
I've been away for about six weeks. I am pleased to see some of my articles have been patrolled in my absence (e.g.
Katie Holmes). Haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing?
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Yeah, yeah, it may have been known as the south front, but isn't "south" rather awkward for an encyclopedia entry? I'm going to change it to "north", a much more encyclopedic word. Bishonen | talk 21:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC).
What on earth are the machine gun corps and so on doing in the image caption to the "belvedere" pic? They seem quite extraneous. Are they hiding behind the trees? Also the link belvedere goes to a disambiguation page. Please check it out. You may have to edit the disambiguation, because I can't tell what to link to from it. Bishonen | talk 12:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
It is Belvedere (structure), the army are hiding in the trees because they were based in the park during the wars, take them out if you like, I just thought ir was nice to give them a plug! I'm like that kind, caring and thoughtful. I won't edit in case you are in there. Giano | talk 12:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Help, I've linked overthrow! Now you're gonna have to write a stub and a disambiguation! (Incidentally dream team was a powerfully useless link.) Bishonen | talk 16:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
Hello, Giano, the World Cap distracts me from Wikipedia these days, yet I don't give up and even started to revise Baroque architecture, where the coverage of English and French Baroque is limited to a couple of disjointed sentences. I'm not sure that I will be able to add anything informative without an expert's help, however. I liked your Belton House immensely. As for Rosing Park, I have a DVD with a documental about the locations where the last year adaptation was filmed. Burghley House seems a little too grand for the social milieu described in the novel, don't you think? Belton House suited the role so much better. But then the new film is full of other anachronisms, you know. -- Ghirla -????- 18:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, it so happens that I completed Mansfield Park a week ago and my head is still full of this book. I recollect that the director of the latest film justified his choice of Burghley House by saying that Lady Catherine personifies the old-money gentry. I believe it was the similarity of names - Bourgh, Burghley - that made them connect the two. Belton House worked fine for me in the older film, although I agree that it was not that modern. If you want a modern house, you should review these in the first place. It's quite unlikely that Capability Brown has had a hand in this project, however. I will add more observations to the talk page later -- Ghirla -????- 17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to keep inventing stubs for you to write, but Saloon is also a dab page. Bishonen | talk 20:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
The "Great Dining Room" takes its name from the chequer-board floor? Not getting it. Bishonen | talk 20:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
Are you all being deliberatly obtuse? I do I really have to expain what a chequer board floor is? Giano | talk 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Nominate now! Bishonen | talk 22:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
"Halliday, E. E. (1967). Cultural History of England. London: Thames and Hudson"
While looking for ISBNs to compelte the article's references, I've found plenty of references about either this or an "Illustrated Cultural History of England", but almost all of them are credited to a "F[rank] E[rnest] Halliday", allother things (editor and year) being identical. Could you look up whether or not your copy has an ISBN or full author name somewhere to confirm? Circeus 23:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
So you took the pics; does that mean you live in England, not Sicily as I'd assumed? Tony 09:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not too familiar with them myself, but I think I've managed to get it to produce something sensible now. Kirill Lokshin 13:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
How well do you know Ghirlandajo? (you can reply here, I've watchlisted you) Ideogram 20:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem on those measurements...they must not want anyone to take pictures? I wonder what the purpose of that is...maybe so they can sell theirs? Though I am one of those natural resources people, I admire architectural achievements of all types. Supposedly, my ancestors had Shirley Plantation built and also Carter's Grove...I must have been descended from one of the younger sons...you know primogeniture! Oh well, good job on Belton.-- MONGO 21:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, we've never really met, except that I have voted to support a couple of your FAs. I have noticed, though, that you've made great contributions to architectural topics, and I wanted to propose something to you which you might like to consider. You might be busy now with Belton House or other things, I am busy at the moment as well, finding footnotes and preparing Expressionist architecture for PR, so the time frame for me is not to really start for a couple more weeks. I wanted to see if you wanted to help collaborate on the article Architectural theory. Right now it is a very short stub, but I think it has potential and after my current project am going to devote most of my efforts towards this article. It seems to me that you are more fit to cover Vitruvius and Palladio, and maybe more than I am, and wanted to offer this for you to consider collaborating or just to hear your opinions. By the way that animated compound tetrahedra is amazing. DVD+ R/W 20:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of the RFA against her, and I do plan to comment. However, I'm a bit busy with work, so this will have to wait until tomorrow. Regards. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 19:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on Belton House, GIFs and all! — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 22:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The RFAR has been accepted, did you notice? Not "opened" yet, though: you'll get an official message from a "clerk" when it is. Bishonen | talk 23:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC).
That description from the seventies: would anyone of your acquaintance happen to be able to come up with any reason for it not to be called "original research"? -- Hoary 14:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm starting something for John Vanbrugh Enterprises right now! The bits of text are from the present wiki article, and my headings will probably be gone without a trace soon. You know me, I begin at snail's pace. And if we're lucky I pick up speed and and end in a tortoise-like rush. There is an embarras de richesse of material for it, but the problem is to swallow the "Through eyes misted with tears, Thomas cast a final look..." type of narrative of the fat library books I've got. I'm looking high and low for a drier, to me more palatable, account to complement the fat books--something like a chapter in a general social history of London, perhaps. Please give me a shout if you find anything suitable. Good that you're packing the books! :-) Bishonen | talk 21:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Why are you removing legitimate good-faith comments from other users' talk pages? Please respond here rather than on my talk page. Timothy Usher 09:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Tony Sidaway 11:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
You have the perfect starting point! The churches are missing in my Reddaway library book, The Rebuilding of London, from 1940. That's about "the secular and greater work", apparently much less known, at least in 1940. "With... no chronicler to tell of the efforts of the dispossessed, it has been overlaid and forgotten. The city government left voluminous records, but the maze of its committees have many centres and no single clue... The focal point is the struggle of the community to survive destruction." The book doesn't look to be very much about architecture, even, so far. No pelmets. :-) More social and economic. He's dug into those records. Note the publication date, 1940—during the Second Great Fire of London—he draws some parallels in the preface.
I like this book! Much more serious and informative than the two modern ones, see References. I'd love to know what you think of it— I see amazon.co.uk has one hardback copy, hint hint. :-) What's your Haliday book?
You know, this is a huge subject. Maybe we'll be forced to do a whole web of articles. (Groan.) Bishonen | talk 17:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC).
It never ends! People spend their lives obsessing about this! I've had it with this nonsensical wiki system that immediately unravels every sensible decision ever made! I'm going for an interview with the Encyclopedia Britannica on Monday! Bishonen | talk 02:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC).
I spinned off the stub from Baroque architecture to collect some of the redirects, which formerly led to Baroque, which is of little help to our readers. The data and even some sentences on this page have been gleamed from your own articles in WP. Now you are welcome to rewrite it at will when you have time and inspiration. You may also want to check talk page. I also cut French Baroque into a separate article and will add Dutch Baroque and Spanish Baroque after today's football match. Good luck to you and to your team, Ghirla -трёп- 06:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Going by your success in raising Buckingham Palace to featured article standard, I'd appreciate guidance on 2 questions:
Thanks. -- FClef 20:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The Baden-Powell House article has been adjusted in compliance with your feedback and recommendations (highly appreciated). Would you care to adjust your opinion accordingly? Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 22:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC).
Seems to have been dealt with the right way before I got to it. Thanks anyway. Tony 02:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
So what does this article need to be completed then? -- Fr a ncs2000 08:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helpful comment on my Trooping the Colour edit. Please can you leave message here showing me 1. How to REVERSE an edit? (so that I don't have to type tons) 2. How to make an inline cite, as you suggested, of my T the C program -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I know about the 4 tildes for a signature, but is there a quick way of doing a signature such as yours which incorporates the "talk" option? Also is there a way of referencing an article's "talk" page so people can click on it and go there directly?
And finally, what is that little arrow that takes you directly to a page? (looks like an arrow in an envelope?) Che? (as Manuel used to say in Fawlty Towers) - How do you do it? -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I can see where you are coming from on everything you've said. You will be covered with relief to know that I didn't write the "incident" para with which the article ends. Nor did I write the introduction.
I have done alot of work in cleaning up the middle of the article. I inserted the bullet points to clarify the article, which, though informed, was muddy.
Regarding the uniforms, these are dealt with on the appropriate regimental pages of the Foot Guards companies, but I could put in a bit more. I have not yet inserted any pix and am something of a technophobe.
In all, thanks, but probably I have not the time to dedicate for all the work required to get it to FA standard. Would you like to shine some of your sunny beams to the article? (I imagine you don't have time either...)
By the way, and a propos of nothing in particular, I saw the new Tom Stoppard play, Rock and Roll, last night. It deals with events in Czechoslovakia 1968-1990, Marxism, and Ancient Greek poetry and myth (Reminiscent in some ways of Brian Friel's "Translations"), along with the contextual rock music, from Bob Dylan, through the Rolling Stones, Plastic People of the Universe (groundbreaking 70s Czech band), Pink Floyd (with and without Syd Barrett), and Guns and Roses. Great. -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
YES, they did it. Congratulations! Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 20:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC).
Thank you ALoan! Yes it is a catchy little number, and I shall be belting it out on Sunday!
You can all sing along with me for the weekend here [14] just click on "ascolta l'inno" (3rd from top is best!)
I hope you enjoyed the game as much as I did. (Amusing anecodte: I was 2 weeks old when Italy won in '82. My father threw me up into the air repeatedly, with my grandmother screaming about how he was going to kill me. After their win yesterday, I grabbed him under the shoulders and threw him up in the air a few times :) Raul654 07:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Aw! Puts me in mind of my holiday in Rome-Spoleto-Florence-Venice in '04. Perhaps I could remind you of the song Puccini gives Cavaradossi in Act 2 of Tosca, in which Cav rejoices at the Marengo battle result, thus spilling the beans about his collaboration with the French? (Probably only the first 5 lines are singable as a football chant, turned back towards France of course)
Vittoria! Vittoria!! L'alba vindice appar che fa gli empi tremar! Libertà sorge, crollan tirannidi!
TOSCA (wittering away) Mario, taci, pietà di me! (etc.) (Simultaneous singing begins)
CAVARADOSSI Del sofferto martir (SCARPIA - venomously: Braveggia!, etc.) me vedrai qui gioir; etc. etc.
Sono con voi.
-- FClef 22:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
It was an exciting game!!
As per the title above, I'm hoping that you, or someone you know, might be interested in expanding/improving the above referenced article on an architect. I have noticed some of your edits and took a chance on posting here. (I was trying to save the original one sentence stub from the trash bin and got interested but do not have the background to pursue much further). If not, that's fine as well. No reply necessary; I will watch for awhile, anyway. Cheers! Stormbay 01:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen that this week's WP:COTW is History of Sicily? I have added a discreet link to Sicilian Baroque. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. But how about Bencher, which may interest you professionally? Or Fontanellato, with its delightful Parmesan rocca? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano
Having complained about the article provided at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment as the ideal FA-class article—a most unsatisfactory piece, Medal of Honor—they invited me to suggest a replacement. I mentioned Sanssouci, but alas, one of them complained about the referencing (I don't really understand, since I'm not up-to-date on referencing procedures). Do you have another suggestion, or do you want to alter the referencing? (It would be lovely to have Sanssouci recognised in this way.)
See the discussion at:
Tony 11:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I posted the IG Farben Building on the FAC on the 17th July. It's currently got a support consensus, but only from 4 people. I'd be more comfortable with a stronger consensus and was wondering if you might be prepared to comment on the article? Many thanks. -- Mcginnly 11:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I have made substantial additions to the History section, with concomitant additions to Footnotes and References.
I do hope that you like the material, which mostly deals with the early history of the site. -- FClef (Talk) 23:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I no longer wish to be in the company of an idiot (Fred) who can make such a ridiculous suggestion [16] So I think I'll leave too. Giano | talk 22:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[[:Image:Americangothic.jpg|thumb|centre| Eternally Obnoxious and Fred were not pleased to see the Epitome of Hell [1] returned]]
Excellent work, Giano! (or should that be "ingenio?") I rest yours sincerely FClef (but you can call me "Elizabeth") -- FClef (Talk) 20:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't let it bother you; with that level of vociferous support I'd be extremely surprised if anything came of it for either you or the others. Stepping back from it, I think old Fred Dibnah is trying to demonstrate what an even hand he has, by making all parties (EE anyway) feel that the enquiry isn't a fait accomplis at this stage. Motions for a vote of no-confidence are probably ill-advised at this stage when nothing has actually been determined, it will only serve to antagonise an Arbcom who probably believes he is acting in good faith. It just means you'll all have to just swallow your pride a bit at the affront of the Proposed Remedies. You shouldn't have to, but there you are......if it really pisses you off - get a steam engine:- "Steam engines don't answer back. You can belt them with a hammer and they say nowt." -- Mcginnly | Natter 22:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks. Whenever you feel less alienated, please consider taking a look at Cound hall and its deletion discussion (where I have added a couple of relevant links). The nominator was upset with me comparing this house favourably to an ugly concrete platform in Glasgow (it turned out that he had actually photographed the platform in question). up+land 09:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Go to the History tab, and click on View logs for this page. You'll see the following:
14:27, 20 February 2006 Quadell (Talk | contribs) deleted "Winslow Hall" (Listed on WP:CV since September).
I'm afraid the article is completely lost now, and can't be restored.
Please don't remove Speedy tags - that's considered vandalism. If you don't agree, add a hangon tag, as suggested by the Speedy tag itself.-- MichaelMaggs 21:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano. Glad to see that an Adminstrator was able to undelete the article for you. I stand corrected!-- MichaelMaggs 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think you may be misinterpreting the "needs infobox" section of the "needs-infobox" parameter of the BioWikiProject template, which you commented on here. The goal is to have an infobox for each person with a biography greater than a glorified stub. By the way, if you have a problem with the way the infobox is formatted, you may wish to join that WikiProject and see if you can effect a change, instead of calling their product "ugly." Captainktainer * Talk 07:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I have an illuminating story to add here. I don't write biographies. And I don't really have a feel for how they should best be organized, a problem I've had in working on the one bio article I've tried my hand at. Yesterday I saw a "Welcome to the biography Wikiproject" template message get slapped down on a user talkpage I was watching. It included this bullet point:
Well! Article structure tips! Sounds good! I present for your nauseation the tips:
$%#&! — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 14:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Uhmm, some of the above seems dangerously close to your having a sense of humour again Giano, of course much of it is just sarcasm, which isn't quite the same thing. Nevertheless I see reasons to hope for a full recovery. I may have to think about reverting this edit someday. Perhaps when the next World Cup thingie comes around again, and you get a chance to tie us in foosball again, will that will improve your humour? Paul August ☎ 20:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed some joyless gnome has tagged Architectural history as needing 'cleanup' (Whatever that means). It is a pretty poor article which I'm going to tinker with. To start, I've added some references of books I possess - unfortunately my book shelf is sagging under the weight of modern architecture material but nearly devoid of architectural history books before circa 1850. ('Architectural history' at University, all those years ago, zoomed through 7000 years of history in 2 weeks and then spent the next 5 years discussing everything from William Morris onwards). Could you recommend any good books that give good concise overviews? PS. I already have Deitsch, Deborah K (15 Jul 2002) Architecture for Dummies, Hungry Minds Inc, U.S., ISBN 0764553968. -- Mcginnly | Natter 12:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, folks, tell me what's wrong with boxes and templates. I've begun [19] writing up my idears. Geogre 14:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Giano, at Villa Lante you—well, I guess it was you— wrote that the villa didn't come by that name until it was sold to the Duke of Lante in the C17. Are you sure that's right, I ask, not having an Almanach at hand. Duca di Lante? -- Wetman 12:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
sorted out at last! (This cognointellectual leap is explained in the edit summary.) -- Hoary 09:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Giano, are you familiar with the archINFORM online database? There is a stub on it that is now nominated for deletion per WP:WEB (too low Alexa rank). The article itself is actually a rather pointless stub; I have tried to argue that the topic is worth an article (in analogy with academic publications), but people just keep dropping by with "delete per nom" votes. (I could have spent the time I have used on that AFD actually improving the article but I'm sick of it now.) up+land 05:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to make several points:
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Have you by any chance seen this? So, while I was watching P&J, you were communing with the Dashwoods? -- ALoan (Talk) 17:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In case you've e-mailed today I won't see it for a while, please see post on Geogre's page. Bishonen | talk 20:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC).
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Thanks for your notice, but I'm well aware of the problem. I have several large articles on my hands, written months ago, such as Russian Revival and Russian Enlightenment, which I lack time to post, and I also prepare the article about Architecture of Kievan Rus, which is as far from Palladianism as possible and looks pretty idiotic in its present form. And Baroque architecture lacks passages about Central and Eastern Europe. I'm also getting involved in Russian Wikipedia and it doesn't help to accelerate my progress, either. I will take a vacation next week and read up on the subject. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 13:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. See also the ongoing discussion on the case's workshop page. I continue to find the idea of a one-month (or one-minute) ban for your comment absurd. But you would need to lose at least two more votes for that to happen so you probably won't get your holiday after all. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like it known I consider the discussions taking place here [21] and here [22] to be not only excruciatingly embarrassing for wikipedia, but ridiculous in the extreme but I am sincerely grateful to the many who have pleaded my case and passed comment. However, I would like us all to take a step back, and think "Why are we, a group of intelligent adults, arguing about the rights and wrongs of recommending fugu to a disruptive editor who happens to be in Japan" - it's all just a little daft isn't it? So lets not waste any more time on it. It will all come to nothing.
The positive outcome though of this, is that it has highlighted my concerns about the logic and intellect that is applied in the upper echelons of Wikipedia. Too many mediocre, lacklustre people are allowed to become admins and climb the ladder, as a result the management team is not impressive, and in my opinion some serious hiring and firing needs to take place. At the moment there are too many bad eggs in this omelette, someone at the top needs to be ruthless and singly focused - and that is what is lacking here. Quality management will attract quality editors. The kids are taking over the kindergarten, and there is too much dithering and discussion to stop them. I shan't leave over all this, but it will be a long time before I feel the same way about the project again - but thanks to you all. Giano | talk 07:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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Dear Giano, Can you tear yourself away from weightier matters to shed any light on this? I reproduce below a note I have written to User:wub. Please leave me a msg here if you can explain what's gone on.
Re: Category:British Cultural Icons Hello, wub. I have contributed to both Buckingham Palace and Trooping the Colour. I see that on both of these you recently removed the Category:British cultural icons with AWB, citing CFD. Relatively new to Wikipedia, I confine my activities to writing and the odd merge, and was unaware of this. Can you tell me what has happened to this popular and useful category? Has it been deleted? Or has it been merged? What has happened to the many articles which were under this category?
I will watchlist this page and check back here for an answer or would be grateful to hear from you on User talk:FClef
I am copying this note to the Help Desk and to a couple of Wikifriends more experienced than I, to see if they know what the fate of this category is. Best wishes. -- FClef (talk) 20:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Giano . -- FClef (talk) 20:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:West WycombeRoomlayout.gif was bad. We are asked to: a) upload to the commons, b) use PNG or SVG rather than GIF. Don't dither - 256 colours should be enough for a line drawing providing your drawing program picks a sensible palette of solid colours. -- RHaworth 18:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Some folks at Commons (commoners, in other words) want .png and .svg files instead of .gifs, which is their prerogative, and you're supposed to scan using a 256 color scale with "dithering" turned off. It should probably be a grayscale. Each project seems to end up spawning a group of regulars, and with some of the sister projects these spores develop into colonies. The commoners are bizarre to me. Imagine the most prickly and abstruse cat fighters and image wire-pullers on Wikipedia and then magnify them by four fold, as they have no consideration for the use of these things. They get to be purists. The fact that .gif is far better for grayscale and line art than .png is unimportant to them. They are the Commoners, and they are ruling. Use the image you want, so long as it's free, and upload just to .en, if they're going to want to delete an image for not being .png. Geogre 21:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
*1* Nor do I much care reads as rude an arrogant, I hope you do not mean it that way. The GIF/PNG/SVG debate I do not care much about either. Dithering is a well established term which you ought to know about since it affected the quality of the image being discussed. The whole point of the Commons is that it enables a single upload to be shared by all the Wikimedia projects - remember that there are languages other than English. -- RHaworth 10:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I trust you are well. May I ask for a moment of your time? I've recently been working on the article unfinished work, progressing towards FA status at the moment. Some comments there say how the architecture section is woefully short, and needs some more work. While I was originally intending for the majority of such content to go into unfinished building, I accept that it would be worthwhile including some examples in this article. There are many buildings that have been partially constructed, but do you know of any prominent examples of unfinished architecture, ie. notable incomplete plans, designs, or the like? I'd appreciate any pointers you have on the issue. Thanks, violet/riga (t) 18:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
You're a star. I've been able to expand the section quite nicely now - thanks for your extremely speedy response. violet/riga (t) 20:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Angel, are you sure you know what "using rollback" means? Just in case: Tony Sidaway didn't use rollback to remove the recall nomination on BoG's page. Lar did use rollback to revert Tony's removal. (In many people's estimation, this is equivalent to Lar calling Tony a vandal.) Bishonen | talk 21:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC).
As an educated person who is a native speaker of Italian, Giano, what is the singular of condottieri, those Renaissance leaders of warbands? After deciding, you might look into the connected Talkpage. Do you have a definitive Italian dictionary at hand?-- Wetman 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm canvassing votes for our mate in Cambridge at Charles Matthews Election Candidate. Perhaps you might like to make a contribution?-- Mcginnly | Natter 10:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Curious about your reasoning for removal of Waddesdon Manor from cat [Châteauesque architecture] -- it seems to accord well with the definition of " Châteauesque" given in that article. -- mervyn 07:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think you may want to hold off on integrating the word into daily conversation. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 17:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider letting go of that conversation. We're starting to tread into the realm of blockable civility violations ( WP:CIVIL obviously) and he's already changed his response. Further taunts and namecalling might end up with the result of suspension of your editing privilages. If you feel the need to reply, please do it here. ~Kylu ( u| t) 00:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Regarding Carnildo's RfA, when I said all parties behaved badly, I meant precisely that. Everyone might have handled the matter more sensitively, realizing that the subject was emotionally-charged. As Jimbo himself said, the situation originated over "one stupid userbox." In tense times, escalation of one's rhetoric is often a poor choice, even when provoked by another. You might have responded to being blocked less angrily; indeed, from your questioning of my generalization to your conversation with User:Lar today, it seems clear that you lack the ability to view this matter dispassionately, even six months after the fact. This is only my opinion, of course, but I consider calmness a virtue in nearly every circumstance. This is a flaw I see in your conduct. Best wishes, Xoloz 05:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I think your block entry is unjust and should be expunged. See this VP entry and please consider supporting it, perhaps something could be done developmentwise. ++ Lar: t/ c 11:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The term "incivility warning" is new to me. Have the authors of the warnings above considered that incivility isn't a block reason? Please see WP:BLOCK. Are you really claiming that Giano is disrupting the site — posing a threat to it? Also, I ask Xoloz and NoSeptember to please not take a purely technical or numerical view of incivility. Read your own words, look into your hearts, and please tell me if you would feel civilly treated if you were to receive admonitions as pompous as those you have placed on this page. Bishonen | talk 16:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC).
For the benefit of anyone thinking of coming here to threaten me with blocks please take note and listen well. When accused without foundation of "Hate Speech" I become very unpleasant. I become unpleasant to those who accuse me, and those who defend them. I have never made "hate speech" those that say I did are liars. Those who defend liars can describe themselves. So whatever you think of yourself, or however you justify your actions please don't waste your time here. Carnildo has accused me of hate speech. He is a liar. He has not apologised, he has shown no remorse. He is a liar. You want him as an admin? That's your decision, but please just don't try to alter my opinion. I have still the block log saying I make hate speech - what has he got? - those fine admins above, and I wish him joy of them. Hate speech may not be much in the wonderland you all live in, but in my world it's quite a big deal. Giano | talk 20:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid your rampant incivility towards others has persuaded me to block you for 48 hours. Please note that this gives you an excellent chance to calm down, review the policies regarding civility (see WP:CIVIL and WP:WQT particularly) and to reassess your behaviour towards others here. You're no martyr, Giano, and continuing to badger users for their votes (Lar on the RfA for instance) is simply going to make a bad situation worse.
Please note that this isn't a punishment, it's a "time out" to give you a chance to recover and take time away from the Wiki. You do good work here, and I'd hate to lose you as a contributor, but the attitude really needs adjustment, my friend.
Oh, and there was no "veiled threat" implied by me earlier, I'm sorry you felt that there was. ~Kylu ( u| t) 01:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I've unblocked. Some discussion on User talk:Kylu. I believe the situation was calming down already and I really hope this doesn't re-escalate it -- please Giano? — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 04:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner on
User talk:Kylu. Please remain
civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate
edit wars Misfunction of the template - sorry Giano.
Daniel
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Bryant
09:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh my god, I see that the split between wikilawyering admins and writing editors of WP is getting ever wider. Please check Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Discretion blocks by admins for related discussions. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Please remove the statement which says that you will not pay as much respect to admins who don't write 1FA per year. This is per the Wikipedia guideline WP:TPG, which states that "...treat the other person in the discussion as a fellow editor, who is a thinking, feeling person, trying to positively contribute to Wikipedia, just like you".
I guess I could "modify" the personal attack so it doesn't exist, and I'm sure that my "dicky behaviour" would "modify" with it. Daniel . Bryant 11:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
You need to remove the promise to be uncivil from your talk page. Such conduct is utterly unacceptable. I removed it once, and I see you've reinstated it, proving your intentions to be deliberately uncivil. Deliberate incivility is grounds for a block; if you do not turn from this course your continued participation in this project will not be welcome, and you will be asked to leave. Kelly Martin ( talk) 13:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I found it most amusing that, after seeing the big notice at the top, I hit the 'user contribution' and was greeted with a screen full of non main namespace edits. Going back another screen there was only 2 in total. So I guess only admins are supposed to write articles, Giano? -- Gmaxwell 14:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I only said what should have been said, that is that some editors count more than others, and the community should be grateful of their work, and so of your work. I fully understand your frustration regarding admins that hardly touch the namespace; even if your idea of how to make admins would sure cut me out (I like working on short or medium-size articles best):-) Ciao,-- Aldux 22:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
You are actually missing my point which is the whole point of us being here is to produce a first class encyclopedia, the only way that can be achieved is through first class articles. No one writes an FA (which can be short) completely alone, I can barely write English, ALoan and Bishonen go through mine with a fine tooth comb before they even reach the FAC page, then there are the whole load of editors who comment on the FAC itself and thus further improvements, all the principal editor does is regurgitate facts from books hopefully in an interesting and comprehensive fashion, anyone can do that, and everyone should. No one owns a page for this reason.
Also writing an FA is amazing, the most rewarding I have ever done were the New Zealand architects, when editors I had never met took to the streets of far away New Zealand taking fotos for them, that was a real Wiki-community thing, and it was great. I would like everyone to experience that sort of thing - it makes sense of the whole community working together, and shows how fantastic this project could be, if everyone forgot for a while their own agenda.
Then we come to the admin thing, in my view there are some admins here who do not pull their weight in actually producing the encyclopedia. There are indeed hundreds who have no time to write because they are shouldering the massive amount of admin tasks and have no time (so I think I will change my banner to "strive"). However, there are others who (in my view) prance about like failed ordinandi from a Catholic seminary, they contribute nothing, if they wrote anything in their early days this has stopped, while they now run about misinterpreting wiki laws and generally attempting to tell others how and what they should be writing, what standards of writing and behaviour is expected of them etc etc etc. These people are (in my view) disruptive. These are the ones I would like to see weeded out. However it won't ever happen, as to "name and shame" them would be declared uncivil by them, and I would be banned by them. So the situation is depressingly likely to continue for eternity, so we must put up and shut up, except I'm not very good at shutting up. But writing this I have just realised what can't be cured must be endured, so I'll take my beautiful banner and the Utopia it represents down, or at least modify it, I've grown rather fond of the bull. Giano | talk 13:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I see that Belton House is on the main page. Congratulations on another featured article. Here's to many more. DVD+ R/W 02:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Is there a difference between 'someone being treated with less respect than they feel they deserve' and 'someone feeling they have been insulted'? Regards, Ben Aveling 06:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome, and I'm sorry you're being put through the ringer. This is the only thing that really matters around here, so congratulations, and keep your chin up. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 08:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Looking good there! Bishonen | talk 08:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC).
Actually, I was thinking about this last night, and had already decided that I needed to spend more time on actual articles for a little while.... and then I saw the, erm, 'discussion' on here.
I hereby grant you a complete and irrevocable license, to the fullest extent perrmitted by law, to be as rude to me as you like until either a) I've particapated in a few more featured articles or b) I renouce my adminship. ;) The Land 08:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome -- it's an excellent article and only needed the odd semi-colon to be perfect (-: Mhardcastle 09:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Because you only caught one of the vandals. Bishonen | talk 14:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC).
I just saw this [32]. I don't know why, but I found the concept of you gifting a goat named Cecilia to be very very funny! Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 15:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I was promoted as admin (supermajority support, thank you very much ;) with ~600 mainspace edits. Now I have slightly more, but still, none of the articles I authored have been FAC'd, nor have I tried FAC'ing them, or any other entry. There is only one FARC for me and that's the FARC-EP! Long live their heroic struggle! El_C 13:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't you get tired of seeing your FAs all over the Main Page? Look at it now:
Simon Byrne, featured article of the day, appears so soon after
Belton House that BH is still listed among its "Recently featured" links. Do you actually write half the FAs in the place, or is that just how it looks?
About adding to that section: you might as well add info there as anywhere, because it's going to be part of our joint FA on the rebuilding eventually—isn't it? The fact is I don't want the section in the present article. It's getting too long anyway. What I want there about the rebuilding is something like a one-paragraph summary—summarising the not-yet-written separate fullscale rebuilding article. A tall order, you say? Yes, well. Yeah.
Bishonen |
talk
00:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC).
Thanks Guys for all the kind words. I would be lying if I didn't admit it is a huge fillip after the events of recent days to see them both listed there. So thanks all for dropping by. Giano | talk 08:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
You have my reply sir. And thank you for asking a substantive question;>-- R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
This comment, which you left on my talk page, is really quite unproductive and nominally offensive. Please refrain from leaving such unproductive, antagonistic comments on other editor's talk pages. Given your supposed campaign for "less bull", it seems quite hypocritical of you. Kelly Martin ( talk) 17:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
♪ Do you hear the people sing? ♪ Singing a song of angry men? ♪ It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again! ♪ -- ALoan (Talk) 18:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. On the topic, I actually wrote my thoughts on that which you may have missed. Please take a look at this and this (I have yet to respond to a latter). I don't see things as pessimistically though. All blocks I discusses were erroneous but honest errors. The problem with harassment by Tony I think is fairly recent. I don't think he's always been that way and things may yet cool down. Ciao! -- Irpen 10:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You have. Bishonen | talk 17:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC).
Apropos, you mentioned on Bish-talk that my e-mail does not work. I don't understand why it does not work for you - I got the Plautus round-robin, for example. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Can I ask a big favour? I'm trying to get Intelligent design to featured article status, and I could really use your help. I'm pretty sure the first thing to do is work out in what ways it falls short? I know you've got a good understanding of what an article needs to have to qualify. Could you have a look at the article, and add your thoughts at Talk:Intelligent design#Featured Article? Regards, Ben Aveling 23:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I responded to your observation on my talk and sent other comments by mail. You may have noticed that arbitrators do not converse with each other on talk pages, why should we? It is not safe to let one's thoughts shared and known, when even e-mails are not private here any more. -- Ghirla -трёп- 15:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano - I was going to unblock you, but FloNight beat me to it. I'd appreciate it if you could tone it down just a notch. Raul654 21:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
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The following is lifted from here [41]
Tony Sidaway then removed my last comment with this startling edit summary [43]. Seems there really is one law for some, and another for him. No one liftes a finger to stop him. So please some-one explain the difference Giano | talk 21:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, I unblocked you because I do not think a block was needed. I'm not sure that you need to keep posting messages on talk pages, either. The messages are bothering some other users and that is not a good thing. FloNight 21:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh dear. Well, I have been gainfully employed on other things. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano has taken his concerns about the recent Carnildo affair beyond the level of reasonable discussion and has begun to make quite hysterical and false accusations [44] [45]. I've given him three hours to reconsider his words and cool down a bit. -- Tony Sidaway 21:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, for the delay in posting. Keep getting edit conflicts. Giano will not respond positively to a block so I unblocked. -- FloNight 21:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I support getting Giano to return to the excellent work he has done in FA's and to try and let the situations outside of that become the past, as they should be. I also hope folks aren't going around undoing Tony Sidaway's admin actions, knowing that he cannot revert them since he is under an administrative 1RR ruling. Let's not undo others admin actions as this is the second time in less than 24 hours an admin has changed Tony's blocks.-- MONGO 21:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I see a big problem here and this problem is not Giano ( talk · contribs), but Tony Sidaway ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Tony has turned the entire Wikipedia into a battleground between himself and anyone who dares to disagree with him. Tony has lately resorted to a more fiery methods of intimidation, including frivolous arbcom submissions and, most amazingly, blocks when the opponent is especially voiceful. His own recent activity ranged between foul language, personal attacks, intimidation and gross abuse. There is no single contribution into a single article in mainspace, which is also noteworthy.
Until Tony will stand in front of ArbCom for his contempt of everyone but himself, he needs time to chill out. I call on the community ro consider giving him a time to cool off. Perhaps a 1-3 day block will be enough for him to take a good use of a wikibreak, cool down and come back somewhat chilled out. -- Irpen 21:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe Giano may be more than a little upset at the way Tony responds incivily to a civil (and might I add hypothetical) statement, then, called on it, says "ridiculous threats deserve to to be treated with loud and resounding contempt." Noting that one would call for Tony's recall if he were a bureaucrat is not any sort of threat that I can discern. Tony is being incivil; he has been consistenty policing post-Carnildo discussion to what seems to me a disruptive point, and he should perhaps block himself for three hours for a calm-down, if he finds such blocks generally effective. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Did anyone bother to discuss the blocking with Tony before reverting his action?-- MONGO 22:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
If no one minds I'm going to attempt to stifle and censor discussion by proposing that this matter best be handled as dispute resolution between Giano and Tony Sidaway. Tony reported his block, the block has been undone. Nothing's going to be accomplished here save much grumbling and drama. We all know where the dispute pages are; we all know where to discuss the blocking policy. Administrative action isn't needed here. Mackensen (talk) 22:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Tony Sidaway is dedicated to this project. He has clearly spent thousands of hours serving Wikipedia as an administrator, as the ArbCom clerk (time-consuming and tedious I'm sure), and in meta-debate as well. When doing his job well, he is one of the most valuable Wikipedians. Unfortunately, Tony has his rough edges: by his own admission, he is sometimes uncivil; he says what's on his mind and minces no words; and lots of people have had to urge him more than once to cool down; and he's acknowledged that he has a fiery temper, to the point that he is subject to restrictions not placed on any other administrator. But he's put in his time; he's been subject to vicious personal attacks off-wiki for his work here; and he withstands it all and continues to work for Wikipedia. User:Giano is dedicated to this project. He has clearly spent thousands of hours serving Wikipedia as a contributor to some of our best articles, and more recently to some extent in meta-debate as well. When doing his job well, he is one of the most valuable Wikipedians. Unfortunately, Giano has his rough edges: when provoked, he sometimes skirts the edges of civility; he says what's on his mind and minces no words; and lots of people have had to urge him more than once to cool down. But he's put in his time; he's been subject to inane block summaries and proposed (fortunately not enacted) ArbCom remedies; and he withstands it all and continues to work for Wikipedia. There is a place for both of these people here, and it's not sitting behind blocks. Newyorkbrad 22:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
//sigh// Well, I was hoping that perhaps what I wrote would induce Tony Sidaway to acknowledge that Giano has his merits, and Giano to recognize that Tony Sidaway has his. Not working out that great so far, is it? Tony likes to write that he's "not one of life's mediators," and it looks like perhaps I shouldn't quit my day job either. Newyorkbrad 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep encountering the above discussion all over the place. No wonder everybody involved is confused.
On the block, Giano, I do understand that you may feel that there is a justifiable grievance to express, but I really felt that you had finally gone completely overboard and started ranting hysterically and that a short time of reflection would have helped. Such statements as "I smell a rat" and "even Angela is involved, there are no innocents here" should really never, in my opinion, be uttered by one Wikipedian about another. I had hoped that by permitting others to deal with your problematic editing, which had--now admit it--gone on for weeks now, I would somehow enable you to get your bearings again. But when this didn't happen I thought I should give you a little reminder that we mustn't go around spreading hatred about people on Wikipedia. It just isn't what it's for.
Well it looks as if in taking that action I only encouraged your persecution complex--for which I apologise. I really don't know you from Adam, except that your behavior in promoting incivility and hatred has become a problem. -- Tony Sidaway 00:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Tony, please don't continue this. Attempting to dismiss others' legitimate concerns brought to your face as "paranoia" is insulting. My claim of your reasons for blocking both of them for simply fearlessly standing up to your intimidation stands.
Best yet, please leave alone the users who are here to create an encyclopedia in mainspace and let some sensible admins who actually write content talk with them when needed. Those admins know that their job is to create a best environment for content creation. Whatever games for influence you are playing here, keep the content creating editors out of them. -- Irpen 00:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Giano. Does the bull have a name? I'm just curious and nosy. Also wanted to lighten up a very heavy talk page. I have suggestions if it doesn't. Take care -- Samir धर्म 06:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Now everyone is a little more calm in the best Agatha Christie style I shall now explain the events of last night to you all, first for the benefit of all the new editors we have to have a little history, months ago I made two comments (follow it all from here [50]) regarding the wisdom of allowing known paedophiles to edit. For this I was immediately banned for "hate speech" by Carnildo, of course that was ridiculous and Carnildo was immediately de-sysoped. We then fast forward to Carnildo application for re-sysoping [51], I was one of the chief opponents because Carnildo had never apologised or expressed understanding of how bad for wikipedia his actions had been.
Then we had the Eternal Equinox arbitration fiasco, and it was indeed a fiasco, Arbitrators felt in spite of her atrocious behaviour they could not ban her, but would ban me for one month for annoying her, not three hours, a week, but a month! [52] Everyone was incredulous, I don't think anyone could really believe it was a serious proposition, yet strangely two Arbitrators supported it, one with the famous words, "pour encourager les autres". One thought is that it was to encourage Carnildo to re-apply for adminship, or was it already known he was going to apply on a certain date - how convenient it would have been if I were safely out of the way for a month.
Well I wasn't banned I was there and very vocal. The RfA went against all tradition and set a new precedent of promoting without consensus, this could not have happened if all members had not been fully consulted. The inevitable fall out would have been assessed and a mode of dealing with it decided in advance. (If they truly thought there would be no fall-out, then they are so out of touch they should all resign en masse). Hence I posted [53]. Which is exactly what the arbcom is doing, they have been repeatedly asked by the editorship to come forward and explain, but they do not, we are treated with silent disdain - there are many of them - where are they? All we have is Kelly Martin (arbitrator emeritus as she terms herself) informing us we are a "fickle and ill-informed populace." [54]. Still a resounding silence so I posted this [55]. Of course that was far to close for comfort, so I was immediately blocked by Tony Sidaway the arbitrator's clerk.
Tony Sidaway is permitted by the Arbitrators to be their unofficial mouthpiece, for ages I thought he was an arbitrator so confident are his pronouncements. He is allowed a latitude permitted to no other editor. Through him they judge the mood of the encyclopedia. The problem is for the Arbcom now, is that they have permitted the guard dog to reply to the mail and answer the telephone for far too long - never a good idea.
I still have ""hate speech"" on my block log, Carnildo has never once contacted me or apologised so I feel slapped in the face in by the Arbcom. However, more importantly by riding rough shod over the views of the ""fickle and ill-informed populace"" they have insulted us all. They have bought this on themselves.
The Arbcom have altered without consultation the whole ethical ethos of the encyclopedia - they should at least explain as a united body - why? Does the view of the editorship count or has consensus gone out of the window. The Arbcom needs to come down from on high (all of them) re-assure editors they are valued, and get the place back to writing an encyclopedia, unhindered by minor buzzing admins who contribute nothing. Then they need to examine themselves and decide where they want the encyclopedia to go and how.
I thank all those who have been friendly to me, also the ones who doubt the validity of what I am saying; and I ask those who think I am paranoid to just have a hard think for five minutes. For anyone who may be wondering/hoping: No, I have no wish for personal power here, not even to be an admin and I have no intention of leaving at all, not of my own free will anyway. I just want to write an encyclopedia and express a legitimate view when necessary. Giano | talk 08:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, there is always the chance that it was a horrendous cock-up (oops - personal attack and profanity there). Forgive me for asking, but is there any evidence for this wide-ranging conspiracy? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, you're expecting a level of generosity and courtesy that is simply inappropriate in this context-- more to the point, have you any tweaks to offer Jockey-Club de Paris? -- Wetman 11:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
As per your suggestion I've thought about it for 5 minutes. My God Giano, I think ALoan, Bishonen etc. need to sit you down with some more Port and soothing words before you completely lose the plot. Without any evidence to the contrary I'm definitely in the 'cock-up over conspiracy' camp. Accusations of incompetence we could probably sustain, but this? Really? Doddery old User:Fred Dibnah made a mistake I think, Charles Mathews was positioning for his candidacy at the board and you were unfortunate collateral damage, but a wide ranging conspiracy that it was all engineered to keep you out of the way of Carnildo's RfA? Why just you and not EL_C too if that were the case? Come on man, sit, take the weight off, pour yourself a glass and we'll go and shout our lungs out at the footie referee from the safety of the terrace, but not this. -- Mcginnly | Natter 11:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict) My dear foolish friend Giano, the footsie thing has gone to your head. While the conspiracy theory you propose hangs together just enough for a nice plot for a made for TV movie, I suggest using Occam's razor to cut your grand conspiracy into a little pile of unconnected cock-ups. I do like the "guard dog" bit though. And as for Angela please read this. Paul August ☎ 11:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Could someone help me - I'm looking for a diff regarding the Tour de France (I think) illustrating some jaw droppingly amusing parochial ignorance about France that had me giggling the other day - I thought I'd seen it posted here but I can't find it - any ideas?-- Mcginnly | Natter 12:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I have left. I shall not be returning. Giacomo. [18:39, 15 September 2006 {UTC)]
Take a break. I went through a really rough patch in early June. Over time my feeling changed enough to enjoy editing again. Hopefully a few days off will help. Take care, FloNight 19:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I also left, due to me being mistreated (in my estimation) by a long-term user who would not apologize or promise to refrain from blocking or reverting me in the future. Eventually, I came back. I did so because the goal of the encyclopedia is worthwhile, and is more important than the flawed personalities involved. I truly hope you reconsider and return. You are highly valued here. – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It's very sad to see this, but for those who are urging his return, I should point out that this edit said that he had scrambled his password, and he seems to have disabled his e-mail, so unless he left his preferences so that Wikipedia still has his e-mail address but that other users can't e-mail him (I'm not sure if that is a valid option), he may not be able to return as Giano. An absolute shame. Perhaps he might, in his own time, choose to register another account. I'm sure many people would welcome him back. Giano, if you're reading this, thanks for all the work you did for the encyclopaedia. AnnH ♫ 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Fuck! Paul August ☎ 02:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go. Everyone is a human being and good contributors are valuable. Sometimes, in the bizarre politics of this place, that gets forgotten. Take care. Jonathunder 04:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Giano/Giacomo, Please don't leave! To be honest, I was amazed by the various controversies. My perception of you from when I joined and first started writing was as a knowledgeable and witty person and I was surprised to see all the aggro and controversies bedevilling your talk page. I am sure you don't need to be in any of those, and that you should be doing what you do best (ie, producing FA's).
You must be aware that Wikipedia is not the same without you. "Plis, Missus Anna, do not leave us in darkness!" (as whined by the Siamese children at the end of The King and I).
By the way, on a completely different topic, do invest in Georgian London, by John Summerson - tremendous on architecture as well as history. On the other hand, you probably have it already. And just think, where could you get such light relief from colleagues such as -- FClef (talk) 09:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC
I sincerely hope you will come back, although I can understand that you're taking a step back after the disgusting things that have been happening here. Be well. — mark ✎ 20:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
To a friend I did not know I had, don't let the awfulness that is the present Arbitration Committee get you to leave the joys of article writing to other, inevitably less knowledgable and less helpful, writers. Never give in — never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. David | Talk 20:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I feel bad. I just got to know you and read your exceptional FA's on the main page. In the spirit of leaving ruminants on talk pages, here's a water buffalo. He also wishes that you come back -- Samir धर्म 21:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, hope you like the barnstar
here I have left you for your wit, generosity, knowledge and fortitude. Least one can do. --
FClef
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23:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about this project, but the Citizendium may be a project that will better suit your temperament. Given your penchant for writing Featured Articles, I would imagine that you would rapidly become a valued and respected contributor there. Captainktainer * Talk 02:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, all that remains is the hope for divine intervention. I can think of a few more putrid "boils" that need lancing. From a great height. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
What's this? Leaving! Surely not - I departed on Friday to London for the open building weekend, thinking I'll take some pics and offer them to Giano to cheer him up a bit - I come back, You've bloody left! Well here's the Staircase of the Queen's House in Greenwich and I'll keep the rest until you return. -- Mcginnly | Natter 13:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for all the kind words (those of you who have said kind words anyway) much appreciated, but I realise there are still things here I need to do, for how long though I'm unsure, it all depends.
My attempts to give up wikipedia appear at the moment to be as successful as my many attempts to quit smoking, so I hope this edit will prove to be just one quick gasp. I think one thing we all agree on is that Wikipedia has a big problem, apart from me, that is. There is a haemorrhage of quality editors who feel belittled and undervalued by the treatment they receive here by an overbearing and sinister arbcom, and too many little buzzing admins. The only way to rectify this is to allow those valued editors a voice, and a very loud one too. There are many editors, all valued, and contributions range from boring (to me, categories) to writing front page articles, or numerous 500 word pages. There is one chap in wikipedia's basement (I will not embarrass him here, but I'll email his name to anyone who asks) who should be lauded and barnstarred for his work in categories, but I doubt many of you have ever heard of him.
The arbcom are now teetering on the edge of losing control - as demonstrated by the bizarre attitudes and sayings here of J Forrester and Kelly Martin (James don't ever join the army - your men would shoot you in the back if you behaved like that - you are an officer here, behave like one). As for Kelly Martin her unpleasant veiled threat to Geogre is despicable. In my view her repeated overbearing pronouncements make her unfit for the sensitive office she assumes.
At the moment the arbcom have lost touch and need to be re-ordered. This can be achieved simply and painlessly: J Forrester and K Martin who have shown their majestic lack of appreciation of the mood of the encyclopedia, should resign immediately, in Martin's case also all sysop and any other rights she may have. This will immediately prove to the editorship that there is change is in the air. Tony Sidaway needs to be prevented from arbcom clerking permanently, and as for Carnildo, whose RFA began this whole affair, well not much can be done there - he is once again an admin - so leave it alone.
Following the resignations (dismissal if necessary) of J Forrester and Kelly Martin a selection of highly valued and respected contributing editors should offer themselves in an extraordinary election to the arbcom, with two of them being elected. Geogre, Bishonen, ALoan immediately spring to mind, but their must be many others in other corners of the encyclopedia, the net should not be confined to admins but to the rank and file, one does not need a block button to have a worthy opinion - even here.
I would advise debate on this now, but not for too long, the arbcom can save itself or throw itself on the mercy of the encyclopedia - the encyclopedia being its editors. Giano 20:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm not an admin any more. I did run for the ArbCom in January and actually outperformed Fred Bauder (who was appointed). David | Talk 22:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
and I hope people will listen to you. I've just voiced similar concerns, and I realize it might already be worse than I thought. The problem, exactly as in real life, is that the editors who are here to write an encyclopedia wouldn't dream of accepting an arbcom position and be bogged down in politics (I know I wouldn't). But this is no excuse not to look for ways (policies) of protecting the prolific ("protect the prolific!", how is that for a slogan to call for change?). Just imagine... turning this back into an encyclopedic project. all the best, dab (ᛏ) 18:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I know you're very unhappy with some officers here, but please don't let this thing burn out of control. I happen to think you were wrong in suggesting self-identified paedophiles should be banned, and I think it was wrong for you to be blocked for it. I would have voted for Carnildo's re-adminning, but I think he shouldn't have been promoted without clear consensus. I think TS was wrong to block you for a "cooling off" period, and I think your aggressive edits on the Bureaucrat's Noticeboard were out of line, and I think Tony was wrong to "archive" the comments he didn't like. There's plenty of unpleasantness to go around from all quarters.
It's very unlikely that anyone will be demoted over this, regardless of what you do. Nothing good will come out of pressing the issue. From here, a good outcome would be if you and they simply agreed to hate each other, and went on working on Wikipedia as separately as possible. A bad outcome would be if you left, due to a grudge, and they stayed. If you stick around, you'll delight some of us, and maybe it would disappoint others. Isn't that enough?
All the best, – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 20:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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I think it is now time for a long hard think about the future of Wikipedia, and where it is, or is not going, and what happens to all the articles etc when it is gone. No one in authority seems to have the slightest care that this ship is charted into the eye of a storm. The captain seems to have delegated, to the first officers, who are all having a cocktail party in their cabin and the crew (who the officers regard as revolting) are being served by a steward they have attempted to throw overboard so the question is is it wise to jump ship or go down with her. That is what I am thinking. Giano 08:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
"Ms Martin, Mr Sidaway and their like have bullied and belittled for far too long, and now I'm going to stop them, single handedly if necessary."
This user is currently up for adminship - expires tonight - he's expressed this opinion [60] in relation to consensus and banning and is also applying to be an ArbCom clerk [61] for you info. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Thatcher131. regards -- Mcginnly | Natter 18:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been submitted to review the actions surround the recent Giano case on AN. I've listed you as an involved party, and you may wish to view the case here. -- InkSplotch 18:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm| (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I still don't know what "behind the skips" means. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 02:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, why the uncertainty within what is now Italy between rotonda and rotunda? (See e.g. the first para of Villa Capra.) I'd guess that they reflect different versions of Italian and that Florentine and (earlier) Venetian Italian show a difference, but guesses aren't sufficient. The words are weighing on my mind after my recent return from Estonia, where little rotonde or rotunde seem popular (notably that just up the hill from the old building of the University of Tartu) and are delightfully labeled rotund, giving them a particularly self-satisfied air. -- Hoary 04:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. Earlier, I said "Nothing good will come out of pressing the issue." It appears I may have been wrong. On the down side, this RfAr threatens to take up a good deal of your time, leaving little for you to write the wonderful articles you are famous for. I hope I'm wrong about that as well. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 20:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your most recent comment on the arbitration and on FloNight's page. FYI, I believe that User:MacGyverMagic rather than FloNight is clerking "your" case. But I was quite astonished by what I had read so thank you for confirming that someone other than me was discomfited by the remark in question. Newyorkbrad 09:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello, dear Giano II, may I call you II? Are you by any chance still online? Bishonen | talk 22:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC).
Dear Giano - could you please translate the Hebrew epigraph quoted at the top of your page? The little Hebrew I have doesn't quite run to that. You may if you wish reply to my talk page.
Hope you have had a spiffing Autumn equinox - or should I say Yom Kippur?
Cheers. -- FClef (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
"If the flames seize upon the cedars, what will the hyssops on the wall do?
If the leviathan is brought up with a hook, what will the small fish do?
If drout hits the dashing torrent, what will the waters of the purling brook do?"
And no you should not say Yom Kippur, I am of the faith that celebrates Michaelmass, but I'm quite happy to celbrate Yom Kippur with friends if they ask me - in fact I'll go anywhere for a free drink!, and my many Jewish friends do seem to like a good party Giano 08:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Glad to help defuse the situation. Hopefully this will all be over soon, and we can go back to editing (well, in my case more wikignoming and category rambling). Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable on several subjects, and I saw mention of Italian and Egyptian stuff at various points on your talk page, I was wondering whether you would know anything about the name Ptolemy? I did some work a while ago on Ptolemy (name), and I am trying to find out what has been written about the history of the name and how it spread to other countries and what forms it took there. In particular, where the spelling Ptolemy in English originated from. I don't expect you to knwo anything about this, but I thought I'd just ask, more in hope than expectation! :-) Carcharoth 11:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
All posts by you to my talk page will be summarily removed. -- Ideogram 21:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
FGS, is hotmail eating my messages? you don't seem to be receiving them! :-( This is the exact same trouble BoG was having, with Hotmail. What am i supposed to do? Have you not even received that text I proofread?? Bishonen | talk 19:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC).
If you ever get time, I would be grateful if you would take a look at Collegio di Spagna. I've had some notes on it on my computer for a year, planning to try to get hold of some better references, but decided I might as well post it here for the rest of the world to improve. There is one book on its early history which I have seen in a catalogue but have not had access to (Berthe M. Marti, The Spanish college at Bologna in the fourteenth century : edition and translation of its statutes, Philadelphia: Pennsylvania U.P.; Oxford U.P, 1966) but probably a lot more in Italian or Spanish. up+land 11:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I've e-mailed you, please check. It's quite urgent, as I put a rather delicate question about bathroom fittings at Drottningholm—kind of thing I can't very well ask on the wiki—sorry if I'm a little fastidious about these things. If hotmail is still eating my messages, and you won't use the gmail thing, I guess this is goodbye. Oh, Giacomo! [/me weeps] Goodbye! Bishonen | talk 15:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC).
Concerning this. I've had some experienced of dealing with Ideogram. The guy views WP as a free chatroom. Don't fall into the trap. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
You should be able to find pages you were working on by looking in user:Giano's contributions, or try Special:Prefixindex to find subpages if you know the main page. Hope this helps. Thatcher131 14:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Giano, assuming you can speak and read Italian well (I've been wrong before), check out talk:John Keogh. An it.pedia user wanted to refer me to a fellow who has patented the wheel in Italy who has name collision with the Irish rights campaigner. I can't figure out much about the Italian fellow, but he sounds curious enough to have a second article for. Geogre 17:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I've given you a short cooling off block. This edit is unacceptable [69]. Whatever people do off-wiki, Wikipedians don't behave like that. Quite unacceptable.-- Doc 22:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I have unblocked you, please see [70]. Bishonen | talk 23:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC).
Hi Giano, Forgive my asking this, but why not just present the evidence and let it speak for itself? Regards, Ben Aveling 03:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
With respect to this question my reason for proposing we thank Kelly is to put a decent end to the matter. I am fully aware that we could in detail set forth a number of infractions, but what would be the point. She did do good work, volunteer work, for a long time. She is now gone. RIP Fred Bauder 11:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you deserve it...and no I'm not one to give out frivillous barnstars.
Thank you both for your very generous awards, be assured that all I ever do is for the greater good of Wikipedia, however odd it may seem at the time! Giano 20:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Trust you are in fine fettle. I was wondering if you might consider a question? I'm amassing a lot of source material for inclusion in Islamic architecture. Copplestone (p.160 in my copy) cites the Masjid-i-Jame Friday mosque of Yazd as being comparable, in terms of it's structural expression with western medieval buildings and King's College Chapel, Cambridge in particular - there's a photo comparison here. The comparison is undeniable but might be coincidental (or just as the natural result of both gothic and islamic architecture sharing a parentage with byzantine - there's also the cultural clash in Spain to consider - see Giralda) - unless I can find a concrete link between the two I'm inclined to leave the comparison out. What do you think? -- Mcginnly | Natter 20:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano the Second, I noticed List of notable Renaissance structures and added a couple things. Are they ok? Also would you mind if I added it and any subsequent ones to Portal:Architecture/New article announcements or would you add them? Best wishes, DVD+ R/W 20:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Alas, I provided a link to Google Books, because I could not find a free image in Commons or elsewhere. There are very few free images illustrating the interior of Renaissance structures, in general. Probably because they are more difficult to take. Some institutions (like Russian churches) don't allow photographs of their interiors. Anyway, I think the image may wait until April. There are other things that may be fixed without Michelangelo's staircase. P.S. Don't worry about the template police; we will keep them at bay. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano II! I just rolled back this edit you made, as it is rather inappropriate and uncivil, as I'm sure you already know. I invite you to participate in Wikipedia as fully as you wish, but try to remain on-topic and keeping in line with the basic notions of appropriate social graces. Cheers hoopydink Conas tá tú? 20:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Giano II, Hope you've had a good weekend. I have enjoyed a nice bowl of orecchiete bolognese this evening, though I'm sure it would have tasted better in Italy. But to the point... I have written a new article - flypast. You'll see that it's taken several weeks. I hope you will visit it and that you like it. (There is a small section on the Italy World Cup celebrations. If you can pretty it up in any way or add any other graphics or images to it, feel free to do so. Actually, if you can alter the Festa della Reppublica caption to reflect a blue (i.e., existing) article, that would be nifty. You can reply on this talk page, or mine, or at the article if you are so minded. Thanks, and best wishes to you. -- FClef (talk) 01:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I've just moved Ludwig Persius to Friedrich Ludwig Persius - he's mentioned on Sanssouci - Curl gives his full name and so I amended the article and moved it to the full name with some redirects - trust this is ok with you. -- Mcginnly | Natter 21:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It's a good start, but please see my comments. The point is: don't try to inflate her importance. Yes, she is notable, but not having been on the Titanic or not having become Prime Minister is not terribly interesting. Biruitorul 07:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano. This kind of classical article with wacky facts and tall stories is exactly what we need for DYK! Keep it up!
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The Epic Barnstar | |
This barnstar is awarded to Giano for his continuing efforts to improve coverage of interesting material from the historical era. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 00:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I appreciate that you took the time to comment, and I did pay close attention to your thoughts, as I find it a valuable thing to understand how I am perceived by others in the Wikipedia community. Though the RfA was unsuccessful, I intend to continue contributing in a positive manner to Wikipedia, and if there is anything that I can do in the future to help further address your concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. -- Elonka 10:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
You'll find it in userspace. Blnguyen put it on DYK and the cops moved in, so there didn't seem much else to do. Bishonen | talk 01:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC).
It was not moved to the archive. It was partly placed into an archive box & still present on the page. Your edit it caused it to be double posted so I reverted it as there's no need for it to be there twice. Also, the only part that was placed in the archive box was the exchange between Geogre and Doc that did not discuss you. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 21:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Having read a number of the excellent articles you've written/worked on I wondered if I couldn't borrow your well-honed critical eye to look at "my" Pierre Rossier article which is a FAC? It's been languishing on the FAC page for several weeks and has four "support" votes (with none opposed). Thanks for your help! Pinkville 02:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reading and voting, and for your comments. As for FACs, surely there's nothing more fundamental than anime and computer games! The list is uncharacteristically interesing at the moment, but I imagine Final Fantasy XXX is just around the corner... Pinkville 11:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see my explanation here. Gzkn 02:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I've been thinking about this one for a while, and have been wanting to ask you if I could rotate the first image just so slightly. It looks to me to be spun ~10° counter clockwise. The one you uploaded is Image:Waddesdon, entrance facade.gif and it has since been brought to the Commons by Germans as Image:Waddesdon entrance facade.gif - so maybe it would be good to not have two versions and to make sure your account is linked properly and so credited there. Also, I should have a draft of Château de Maintenon translated by the end of today so that will be blue. As always, DVD+ R/W 18:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for taking the time to take a cleaver to the article - I have not yet reviewed in detail, but I can see already that its focus has improved substantially. It seem a shame to lose some of the detail, but the article will be better for it, I am sure. Thanks again. I am very grateful. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey Giano. I now realise I have never actually apologised to you for acting like a complete dick towards you back in August (I think it was August...), at the height of the...unfortunate...incident that I don't need to specify, because you'll know what I'm talking about. My "request" for you to do a variety of things, which were presented in unintentially demanding tones, were totally out-of-line, and for this I sincerely apologise. I won't make excuses (although I could if I wanted to...), because there is no doubt that my behaviour contravened AGF and CIVIL, to which there is no defence, in my opinion. Although I don't 100% agree with the now-shelved bull campaign, I have learned to respect it, and may even consider following it if I am granted the sysop buttons in the future. So again, sorry for all the ridiculous behaviour I showed towards you when things were at its' most heated, and I wish you well in all your writing endeavours - if I could write half the FA's you do, I'd be more-than-satisfied. I wish you all the best with all your editing, especially West Wycombe Park, which looks like it will be +FA very soon :). Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 21:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know.... it's so confusing.... Could I take life in the limelight? Could you truly be happy with someone who has so few articles to her name (and none of them featured)?.... I must think on this. freppie 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey there. So I have Kroger Babb up at FAC right now, and I have one guy who's making some broad statements about the prose in the article. I'm not getting specifics, which is frustrating, and as much as I want to ignore it, he's made some good points in other FACs. Could I ask you to give it a one-over and see if you catch anything glaring? I understand if you're bogged down in other places, but I'd really appreciate it. Let me know. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 15:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps Sybil may condescend to allow a few memoirs to escape for a Christmas special, then I can be finally banned for ever in a blaze of glory, and all the other Wikipedians can have their Christmas Fairy wishes granted Giano 17:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
About that blaze of glory, wait! or postpone it indefinitely. I have a favor to ask too Giano. Would you take a look at this article, and peer review, Wikipedia:Peer review/Claude Nicolas Ledoux/archive1 and review or edit the article if you'd like? Anyone else reading please do too (hint). Congratulations from me as well on your new featured article. DVD+ R/W 20:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano, sorry I forgot to apologize for removing this image - unfortunately it is non free so it can't be used on user pages... Arniep 16:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Allow me to offer my congratulations as well! Though maybe not as creatively as Bish. It's a marvelous work and you should be quite proud! Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 23:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Architecture Barnstar
For your unrelenting turnout of the highest quality featured articles relating to architecture I award you the first Architecture wikiproject barnstar.
This award was introduced by the
WikiProject Architecture on 14 November 2006. --
Mcginnly |
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Re email see Blood eagle. -- Mcginnly | Natter 13:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow... wow... tell me how you did that... I want it. KazakhPol 05:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I vocab stubbed the article because I felt that was the closest stub category. The only other category would be culture, or very possibly art history. Jeodesic 18:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I had to share this with you. Whilst trying to discover who Mereworth Castle had been sold to in 1930, I came across the obituary of a hapless Dominick Browne, 4th Baron Oranmore and Browne on the telegraphs website:-
"When his parents were involved in their accident at Southborough, Kent, in 1927 Dominick knew that peers were supposed to be buried in lead coffins. He therefore ordered one from a local undertaker, whose men managed to get it upstairs to receive the body. Unfortunately, they found it too heavy to carry downstairs and put it into a service lift; the ropes broke, sending the casket crashing through the basement. On the death of his mother two days later, the hearse with her coffin caught fire, and another vehicle had to be ordered."
Poor bastard. -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen demonstrating smoldering passion under furs.
T:TDYK! -- ALoan (Talk) 00:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for your input on my (nearly recent) Request for adminship, which regretfully achived no consensus, with votes of 68/28/2. I am grateful for the input received, both positive and in opposition, and I'd like to thank you for your participation. | |
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Your new article is so interesting! Bishonen | talk 04:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC).
Would you mind having a read over Palais Strousberg? I've translated it from German and I'd be very grateful for a fresh set of eyes. Cheers. -- Mcginnly | Natter 18:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just done this: rather more your territory, Giano. Any raw gaffes? -- Wetman 13:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a new proposal here. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments and feedback. I've ripped it out to Word and it's ready for a strip down, oil change and rebuild. I like your suggestions to improve paragraph flow - 1.lead - 2.mini bio on strousberg - 3. micro bio on orth - 4. Architecture section header with build costs, style appraisal etc. - 4a. Exterior - 4b. Interior - 5. Strousberg's bankruptcy - 6. Use as the british embassy - 7. Fate of the palais.
I'd (at least) already thought it needed a better ending and the 'fate' section needed to be last - there's a bit of a problem with your proposals however. The plans all relate to the palais after the British embassy modifications. So it makes sense to put that before describing the building (where I can easily describe how the building was initially and how it was changed in closely related paragraphs). If I'm putting the embassy before the building description then I need to put the bankruptcy before that. So my proposed running order becomes:- 1.lead - 2.mini bio on strousberg - 3. micro bio on orth - 4. Strousberg's bankruptcy and a social history splurge about the wider implications 6. Use as the british embassy including some of the key events that the embassty played a part in 4. Architecture section header with build costs, style appraisal etc. - 4a. Exterior - 4b. Interior - 7. Fate of the palais.
What do you think? -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I have other priorities but may do a brief bit on Mentmore and Crafton but I don't really know much. My efforts to document the owner's significant involvement in Thoroughbred racing is in the hopes that a knowledgeable Brit will come along to Wikipedia and get involved in the WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. Handicapper 14:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanx. I will for sure. Handicapper 15:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Mentmore Towers According the National Horseracing Museum [79] (and other highly credible websites), Mentmore Stud was in Leighton Buzzard. I have no concept of the area, but when I did a MSN map seach for travel distances, Mentmore was reported as 4.9 Miles from Leighton Buzzard which is why I thought because the Duke also rode horses that he probably built another stable close to the castle. Handicapper 19:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is a website I found yesterday that has considerable detail about Crafton with maps, photos and so on.
[80] .
I've only skimmed over it but note these quotes:
As best as I could gather, Rothschild built two stables near Wentmore. Maybe when you get a chance you could read this and guide me as to consolidating the two stales into one article and perhaps a separate one on Mentmore Stub. Handicapper 22:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of Crafton Stud Farms and write about the two. Then a separate one for Mentmore Stud. Here is something weird. If as you say, Mentmore stud was not built until about 1912 then I don't understand this usually very reliable website [81] that shows these horses, who would have died long, long before 1912, are buried at Mentmore Stud, Leighton Buzzard:
Handicapper 22:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanx again. I actually think I'm beginning to understand it. Maybe though you can elaborate on Hawbridge Stables? Although it may be a while, I'll try to add to your effort, in particular a list of horses and major stable wins for cross referencing. Meantime, if you have more info or pictures, that would be great.
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Giano, sorry but I reverted you here taking no position on the issue as of now. Please do not give some here an excuse to block you. Too many are looking forward for an opportunity to do this. We can't afford this happend as we need your contributions. Stay cool and Cheers, -- Irpen 22:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano, I've reinstated the reversion. A reasoned statement regarding Charles' conduct added to whatever statement you make on the arbitration request would be fine, but a personally-directed remark is inappropriate there. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 23:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano-- I noticed that you were closely involved in the FAC on the Opus Dei article way back in September of 2005. There had been a lot of trouble getting that article worked out due to the existence of a large number of single purpose accounts that show up to promote OD here on wikipedia. (I see from your comment the FAC discussion that no less than 3 different brand new accounts showed to vote in that discussion, for example).
Anyway, puppetry notwithstanding, I've recently done a major rewrite on the Opus Dei article and am requesting comments on its talk page. I think the new page is better, but the aforementioned single-purpose accounts have been reverting it pretty consistently. Could you look over the page and comment on whether the rewrite is an improvment and maybe help out in the ensuing discussion? -- Alecmconroy 14:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
You have. Bishonen | talk 19:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC).
You're on. Right after Palais Strousberg, British Embassy in Berlin and Vault (architecture). -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your comments on my addition of Belton House to the category:1688 architecture. My understanding is that the architecture year categories are much the same as the book year categories or the album year categories - that is, they are for sorting by year all the works of architecture of sufficient notability to be included in Wikipedia, not just the most important ones. The article, as I read it, states that "Between 1685 and 1688 the young Sir John Brownlow and his wife had the present mansion built." The architecture year categories list buildings by year of completion, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks! Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Tawker 23:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
As I am obviously about to be banned by admins supporting Kelly Martin for daring to question her, I am signing off for the evening. Do people really want a member of the Arbcom who has this kind of following? Giano 23:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm not despomdemt about it, thanks for comsoling me though and also for your edits there and at the review :-) It thought the PR went pretty well, though Bishonen said she would review it but never did - it's not too late Bishonen. I sent a few articles to GAC last month, never had before and knowing that they weren't quite FA, thought maybe they were GA. Oh well. When they are improved later they should go to FAC rather than GAC. Take a look at this it:Ville medicee, that list has a wealth of villas to translate, as many as all the chateaux. If you want to help you should, but save some for me, I'm sure you are faster. DVD+ R/W 14:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You called it a "trap". Ignoring the assumption of bad faith issues, do you think it is a bad idea to not comment negatively on fellow candidates? I wasn't trying to trap anyone, merely give good advice. A lot of people took that advice, and are doing well because of it. Geogre has no one to blame but himself for assuming such bad faith of me that he ignored my reasonable advice (which was delivered to all 37 ArbCom candidates, it wasn't nearly just for him). Maybe it's time to get over old disagreements and start anew? -- Cyde Weys 23:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
PA is at FAR - no canned message, since you know the drill. Regards, Sandy ( Talk) 01:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Check your mail, sir. And thank you again, dare I say, my friend-- R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 16:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your support, but have decided to withdraw from consideration for a position as an arbitrator. The community has overwhelming found me to be too controversial to hold that position. Thanks again for your support.-- MONGO 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks I may just drink it, and have a use for the empty bottle! Giano 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You may know that I supported both Paul August and Geogre, just in the last few days, therefore I'm hoping you'll take this better from me than from someone else. I write this with the deepest respect for your excellent article contributions.
Cyde has the right to ask civil questions of candidates, even if they are inflammatory, even if they incite candidates to criticise each other. In fact, how a candidate reacts to an inflammatory question is an important judge of their suitability - they'll get much more heat than that as an arbcom member. Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Paul August#Another question from Cyde Weys is a tough, but perfectly legitimate question. Please don't remove it again. AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have not and do not support Kelly Martin for Arbcom. I have never made any public--nor private--statements in support of her holding that position. I petitioned to have her removed last year, and I opposed her previous candidacy, and I endorsed the original RfC concerning her behaviour. I do not know who Elaragirl is and find her manner disgraceful. Just because I find fault with your position does not make me Kelly Martin's supporter. I think you'll find I've supported other candidates, several of whom you yourself have supported, and my conscience on that matter is quite clear. I have had nothing to do with the events of today, save asking an innocent question of clarification for which I was much abused. If you have proof that I've acted unethically, abused my position or abused the community's trust in any way, I demand that you bring this proof forward so that it might see the light of day. If you want my opinion, Kelly Martin brought most of her troubles upon herself, but she's hardly the only person who has done so. Good evening to you as well. I expect an answer. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano!
Of course I've checked the history file. I rewrote the intro myself, months ago. It hhad been changged since then but the new information was not well integrated, which is what I have donne. I don't go around removing useful, pertinent information. What I do is edit it in. You may not immediately see what you have previously addded, but it will be there somewhere.
I have been reading about, writing about and teaching Art History for the past 50 years. There might be more competent editors in this field than I am, working on that page, bbut i hhave seen no signs of them! I am currently sitting at my computer surrounded by two thousand books, of which the majority of them are Art History. I am using seven of them to write ediit the current page. The previous editors have cited only one very general encyclopedia. I have that one to hand as well. How much expertise do you want?
-- Amandajm 14:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
With all your expertise, haven't you young men ever got anything nice to say? Your arrogance is astounding!
-- Amandajm 21:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hara kiri? (Or perhaps I should say seppuku...) -- ALoan (Talk) 22:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear that you are stressed. Don't let the buggers get you down. I was looking at the FARC from February - the "fact" has been added to the same point that was brought up then and was dismissed from a great height.
I have been busy in real life recently (see how my contributions are down) but I find writing short articles on obscure topics keeps my spirits up. You might enjoy that too?
Or perhaps a wikibreak would do you good? It is a good time of year to take a break - get some fresh air, and I'll hope to see you back in earnest in January. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Giano. GeeJo has kindly nominated one of your articles for DYK. Many thanks again, Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 06:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
So WTS am I supposed to do with it now? It's too funny to delete!
-- Amandajm 23:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
My dear old thing! Perhaps Ted Dexter too? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I respect your contributions, but I am unhappy with the position you state about voting. (IRC is a different matter entirely)
Pure "one man one vote" is typically non-optimal, and is strongly disempowering to all parties involved compared to consensus. That, and the final action of a consensus system would be to compromise on consensus itself.
That's why I feel so strongly that pure voting is evil, and must be fought off at all times and at all costs. I have staked my reputation and any of my resources on this at many times and in many places. It is integral to my contributions to the wikimedia foundation.
That's why I made a countercomment to your comment.
My apologies that we must clash. If you hadn't given the advice to have steward elections be a pure vote, I may well have not stated any opinions at all.
Kim Bruning 01:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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I will file an RfC against you if you harass me any further. She does not have any relation to me; you can tell this by going through her contributions and judging by her writing-style. We do, however, share similar interests, but not very strong interests. Remove your ridiculous comment. — Eternal Equinox | talk 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
It's true enough that the question immediately occurred to me. It looks relatively unlikely, though. I sure wouldn't want to be nominated by such a puppetmaster though. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 21:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Well I see his page his page is protected just like yours, but I don't think so. Anyhow don't let me keep you, run along now and play outside. Giano | talk 22:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Oh, noes, file an RFC! Giano, are you mad, to invite such a fate? Prepare yourself for hell, that's all. Bishonen | talk 02:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC).
Don't say I don't do anything for you. --
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In all the time that you've known me do I appear to be the sort of person who would even understand football, leave alone shown flags in support of it? For Eurovision, no problem, maybe even for the Olympics. Right now I just wish the World Cup would go away... --
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Well thank you Giano, the Italian flag has been printed off and is flying from my car as we speak. What's that noise, it sounds like glass breaking followed by a car alarm...? --
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You might be interested in Wikipedia talk:Featured article review#FAs with citation problems. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 20:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Giano
I note your views concerning the new referencing requirements for FAs, the thorny issue of how it affects existing FAs, and the debate you had with Wackymacs about it.
I thought you'd like to know that I've been asked a few times for examples of model prose in FAs, and I recommended Sanssouci.
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Thanks for your note. The MGC’s time there is only a very short part of Belton’s history but it is an important one in that the corps was a significant link in the chain of events and organizations which won the First World War. My brother knows more about this subject than I do and I shall be seeing him before the end of the month so I’ll let you know what references he has. Meanwhile, there are some bits and pieces available, though you have probably found them already by Google search. http://www.1914-1918.net/mgc.htm summarizes the MGC’s history but with no more than a mention of Grantham. (The depot was in the southern end of Belton Park, which runs into the northern end of Grantham so in this connection, for Grantham, you can read Belton. Indeed, some of modern Grantham is on land which was formerly wartime military camp but I believe that most of the army property outside the park was used by non-MGC units. The Wikipedia article Machine Gun Corps repeats the story and is based on material from The MGC Old Comrades’ Association. The link in the article is now dead but seems to have been replaced by this one http://www.machineguncorps.co.uk/ . There is a bibliography on http://www.regiments.org/regiments/uk/inf/MGC.htm#monu . There are several links like this http://www.ozigen.com/tree/p621.htm ,which mention training at Belton but are brief . However, this gives a little more incidental detail http://www.jjhc.info/heathleopold1966.htm . Here we get a hint of the conditions there http://walterwildgoose.blogspot.com/ . ( RJP 21:27, 15 June 2006 (UTC))
/me is ashamed. I'm sorry! I abase myself in apology! I went medieval on the Footnote Extravaganza! I couldn't stand it — you realize there are as of now only FOUR actual references that you've used? And all those footnotes went on and on making a full meal of each of those four books over and over... I'm sorry, I couldn't stand it, it was killing me. Revert if you don't like it (and if you wish to kill me). Meanwhile, please add places of publication in the References section, where I've indicated it, and if you have the books handy. (Incidentally, what I've done is a simple standard reader-friendly academic-journal system, as used in the balloon article, and as opposed to a Special Barbed Wire Wikipedian Erudite-Looking Weirdness Used Nowhere Else.) Bishonen | talk 21:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC).
smurrayinch ester( User), ( Talk) 21:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Nice work on expanding Belton House from an outhouse of an article to a castle! ... and also your many other architectural articles. Have a nice mansion as a memento! With regards and respect... + + Lar: t/ c 21:54, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
I notice that you've uploaded all of the images that you took of Belton House as GIFs. GIF is not a suitable format for the image types you have uploaded. It is limited to 256 colours and is suited to diagramatic files and simple shapes. Photographs are far better uploaded as JPEGs. David Newton 21:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding Neo-Renaissance, please accept my apologies if i have been discourteous. I stumbled across the article and it didn't seem to have been edited (other than the odd tweak) for about a month, I was impressed by it's quality and so was bold and submitted for peer review. No offence was intended, actually the reverse. -- Mcginnly 00:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
You got your message in very smartly. I had altered the link then noted the problem you pointed out. While I was still trying to reconcile the pieces of information, I got notification of your communication. My easiest course is to revert my alteration but that would still leave the question of which Lord Willoughby the dead daughter was lined up for. There were two lines of Lords Willoughby, de Eresby and of Parham. They were on opposite sides in the Civil War. I guess that your source does not make the matter clear, as you have not already clarified the matter in the article. The de Eresby line was the one prominent in Kesteven. You will of course have noted the Baron Willoughby de Eresby article. I shall leave it to you to revert my meddling so that our actions do not conflict. Sorry. ( RJP 20:00, 18 June 2006 (UTC))
I saw that you made a comment that came and went. Apologies if you don't like the changes - he is only trying to help. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:29, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
So? Let me know when (if) you'd like a bit of a copyedit. Sillily, I haven't actually read the article yet, it strikes me. And how would you like those notes? (I'm only trying to help, too...
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Greetings, Giano!
I've been away for about six weeks. I am pleased to see some of my articles have been patrolled in my absence (e.g.
Katie Holmes). Haven't heard from you in a while. How are you doing?
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Yeah, yeah, it may have been known as the south front, but isn't "south" rather awkward for an encyclopedia entry? I'm going to change it to "north", a much more encyclopedic word. Bishonen | talk 21:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC).
What on earth are the machine gun corps and so on doing in the image caption to the "belvedere" pic? They seem quite extraneous. Are they hiding behind the trees? Also the link belvedere goes to a disambiguation page. Please check it out. You may have to edit the disambiguation, because I can't tell what to link to from it. Bishonen | talk 12:33, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
It is Belvedere (structure), the army are hiding in the trees because they were based in the park during the wars, take them out if you like, I just thought ir was nice to give them a plug! I'm like that kind, caring and thoughtful. I won't edit in case you are in there. Giano | talk 12:46, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Help, I've linked overthrow! Now you're gonna have to write a stub and a disambiguation! (Incidentally dream team was a powerfully useless link.) Bishonen | talk 16:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
Hello, Giano, the World Cap distracts me from Wikipedia these days, yet I don't give up and even started to revise Baroque architecture, where the coverage of English and French Baroque is limited to a couple of disjointed sentences. I'm not sure that I will be able to add anything informative without an expert's help, however. I liked your Belton House immensely. As for Rosing Park, I have a DVD with a documental about the locations where the last year adaptation was filmed. Burghley House seems a little too grand for the social milieu described in the novel, don't you think? Belton House suited the role so much better. But then the new film is full of other anachronisms, you know. -- Ghirla -????- 18:01, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Well, it so happens that I completed Mansfield Park a week ago and my head is still full of this book. I recollect that the director of the latest film justified his choice of Burghley House by saying that Lady Catherine personifies the old-money gentry. I believe it was the similarity of names - Bourgh, Burghley - that made them connect the two. Belton House worked fine for me in the older film, although I agree that it was not that modern. If you want a modern house, you should review these in the first place. It's quite unlikely that Capability Brown has had a hand in this project, however. I will add more observations to the talk page later -- Ghirla -????- 17:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to keep inventing stubs for you to write, but Saloon is also a dab page. Bishonen | talk 20:06, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
The "Great Dining Room" takes its name from the chequer-board floor? Not getting it. Bishonen | talk 20:54, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
Are you all being deliberatly obtuse? I do I really have to expain what a chequer board floor is? Giano | talk 21:53, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Nominate now! Bishonen | talk 22:51, 22 June 2006 (UTC).
"Halliday, E. E. (1967). Cultural History of England. London: Thames and Hudson"
While looking for ISBNs to compelte the article's references, I've found plenty of references about either this or an "Illustrated Cultural History of England", but almost all of them are credited to a "F[rank] E[rnest] Halliday", allother things (editor and year) being identical. Could you look up whether or not your copy has an ISBN or full author name somewhere to confirm? Circeus 23:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
So you took the pics; does that mean you live in England, not Sicily as I'd assumed? Tony 09:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm not too familiar with them myself, but I think I've managed to get it to produce something sensible now. Kirill Lokshin 13:16, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
How well do you know Ghirlandajo? (you can reply here, I've watchlisted you) Ideogram 20:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
No problem on those measurements...they must not want anyone to take pictures? I wonder what the purpose of that is...maybe so they can sell theirs? Though I am one of those natural resources people, I admire architectural achievements of all types. Supposedly, my ancestors had Shirley Plantation built and also Carter's Grove...I must have been descended from one of the younger sons...you know primogeniture! Oh well, good job on Belton.-- MONGO 21:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, we've never really met, except that I have voted to support a couple of your FAs. I have noticed, though, that you've made great contributions to architectural topics, and I wanted to propose something to you which you might like to consider. You might be busy now with Belton House or other things, I am busy at the moment as well, finding footnotes and preparing Expressionist architecture for PR, so the time frame for me is not to really start for a couple more weeks. I wanted to see if you wanted to help collaborate on the article Architectural theory. Right now it is a very short stub, but I think it has potential and after my current project am going to devote most of my efforts towards this article. It seems to me that you are more fit to cover Vitruvius and Palladio, and maybe more than I am, and wanted to offer this for you to consider collaborating or just to hear your opinions. By the way that animated compound tetrahedra is amazing. DVD+ R/W 20:39, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I'm aware of the RFA against her, and I do plan to comment. However, I'm a bit busy with work, so this will have to wait until tomorrow. Regards. Oran e (t) (c) (e) 19:06, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Congrats on Belton House, GIFs and all! — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 22:16, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
The RFAR has been accepted, did you notice? Not "opened" yet, though: you'll get an official message from a "clerk" when it is. Bishonen | talk 23:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC).
That description from the seventies: would anyone of your acquaintance happen to be able to come up with any reason for it not to be called "original research"? -- Hoary 14:01, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
OK, I'm starting something for John Vanbrugh Enterprises right now! The bits of text are from the present wiki article, and my headings will probably be gone without a trace soon. You know me, I begin at snail's pace. And if we're lucky I pick up speed and and end in a tortoise-like rush. There is an embarras de richesse of material for it, but the problem is to swallow the "Through eyes misted with tears, Thomas cast a final look..." type of narrative of the fat library books I've got. I'm looking high and low for a drier, to me more palatable, account to complement the fat books--something like a chapter in a general social history of London, perhaps. Please give me a shout if you find anything suitable. Good that you're packing the books! :-) Bishonen | talk 21:29, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Why are you removing legitimate good-faith comments from other users' talk pages? Please respond here rather than on my talk page. Timothy Usher 09:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox. Please add evidence to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eternal Equinox/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, -- Tony Sidaway 11:24, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
You have the perfect starting point! The churches are missing in my Reddaway library book, The Rebuilding of London, from 1940. That's about "the secular and greater work", apparently much less known, at least in 1940. "With... no chronicler to tell of the efforts of the dispossessed, it has been overlaid and forgotten. The city government left voluminous records, but the maze of its committees have many centres and no single clue... The focal point is the struggle of the community to survive destruction." The book doesn't look to be very much about architecture, even, so far. No pelmets. :-) More social and economic. He's dug into those records. Note the publication date, 1940—during the Second Great Fire of London—he draws some parallels in the preface.
I like this book! Much more serious and informative than the two modern ones, see References. I'd love to know what you think of it— I see amazon.co.uk has one hardback copy, hint hint. :-) What's your Haliday book?
You know, this is a huge subject. Maybe we'll be forced to do a whole web of articles. (Groan.) Bishonen | talk 17:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC).
It never ends! People spend their lives obsessing about this! I've had it with this nonsensical wiki system that immediately unravels every sensible decision ever made! I'm going for an interview with the Encyclopedia Britannica on Monday! Bishonen | talk 02:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC).
I spinned off the stub from Baroque architecture to collect some of the redirects, which formerly led to Baroque, which is of little help to our readers. The data and even some sentences on this page have been gleamed from your own articles in WP. Now you are welcome to rewrite it at will when you have time and inspiration. You may also want to check talk page. I also cut French Baroque into a separate article and will add Dutch Baroque and Spanish Baroque after today's football match. Good luck to you and to your team, Ghirla -трёп- 06:26, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Going by your success in raising Buckingham Palace to featured article standard, I'd appreciate guidance on 2 questions:
Thanks. -- FClef 20:00, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
The Baden-Powell House article has been adjusted in compliance with your feedback and recommendations (highly appreciated). Would you care to adjust your opinion accordingly? Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 22:39, 4 July 2006 (UTC).
Seems to have been dealt with the right way before I got to it. Thanks anyway. Tony 02:10, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
So what does this article need to be completed then? -- Fr a ncs2000 08:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for helpful comment on my Trooping the Colour edit. Please can you leave message here showing me 1. How to REVERSE an edit? (so that I don't have to type tons) 2. How to make an inline cite, as you suggested, of my T the C program -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
I know about the 4 tildes for a signature, but is there a quick way of doing a signature such as yours which incorporates the "talk" option? Also is there a way of referencing an article's "talk" page so people can click on it and go there directly?
And finally, what is that little arrow that takes you directly to a page? (looks like an arrow in an envelope?) Che? (as Manuel used to say in Fawlty Towers) - How do you do it? -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I can see where you are coming from on everything you've said. You will be covered with relief to know that I didn't write the "incident" para with which the article ends. Nor did I write the introduction.
I have done alot of work in cleaning up the middle of the article. I inserted the bullet points to clarify the article, which, though informed, was muddy.
Regarding the uniforms, these are dealt with on the appropriate regimental pages of the Foot Guards companies, but I could put in a bit more. I have not yet inserted any pix and am something of a technophobe.
In all, thanks, but probably I have not the time to dedicate for all the work required to get it to FA standard. Would you like to shine some of your sunny beams to the article? (I imagine you don't have time either...)
By the way, and a propos of nothing in particular, I saw the new Tom Stoppard play, Rock and Roll, last night. It deals with events in Czechoslovakia 1968-1990, Marxism, and Ancient Greek poetry and myth (Reminiscent in some ways of Brian Friel's "Translations"), along with the contextual rock music, from Bob Dylan, through the Rolling Stones, Plastic People of the Universe (groundbreaking 70s Czech band), Pink Floyd (with and without Syd Barrett), and Guns and Roses. Great. -- FClef 12:52, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
YES, they did it. Congratulations! Wim van Dorst ( Talk) 20:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC).
Thank you ALoan! Yes it is a catchy little number, and I shall be belting it out on Sunday!
You can all sing along with me for the weekend here [14] just click on "ascolta l'inno" (3rd from top is best!)
I hope you enjoyed the game as much as I did. (Amusing anecodte: I was 2 weeks old when Italy won in '82. My father threw me up into the air repeatedly, with my grandmother screaming about how he was going to kill me. After their win yesterday, I grabbed him under the shoulders and threw him up in the air a few times :) Raul654 07:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Aw! Puts me in mind of my holiday in Rome-Spoleto-Florence-Venice in '04. Perhaps I could remind you of the song Puccini gives Cavaradossi in Act 2 of Tosca, in which Cav rejoices at the Marengo battle result, thus spilling the beans about his collaboration with the French? (Probably only the first 5 lines are singable as a football chant, turned back towards France of course)
Vittoria! Vittoria!! L'alba vindice appar che fa gli empi tremar! Libertà sorge, crollan tirannidi!
TOSCA (wittering away) Mario, taci, pietà di me! (etc.) (Simultaneous singing begins)
CAVARADOSSI Del sofferto martir (SCARPIA - venomously: Braveggia!, etc.) me vedrai qui gioir; etc. etc.
Sono con voi.
-- FClef 22:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
It was an exciting game!!
As per the title above, I'm hoping that you, or someone you know, might be interested in expanding/improving the above referenced article on an architect. I have noticed some of your edits and took a chance on posting here. (I was trying to save the original one sentence stub from the trash bin and got interested but do not have the background to pursue much further). If not, that's fine as well. No reply necessary; I will watch for awhile, anyway. Cheers! Stormbay 01:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen that this week's WP:COTW is History of Sicily? I have added a discreet link to Sicilian Baroque. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:47, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough. But how about Bencher, which may interest you professionally? Or Fontanellato, with its delightful Parmesan rocca? -- ALoan (Talk) 11:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano
Having complained about the article provided at Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment as the ideal FA-class article—a most unsatisfactory piece, Medal of Honor—they invited me to suggest a replacement. I mentioned Sanssouci, but alas, one of them complained about the referencing (I don't really understand, since I'm not up-to-date on referencing procedures). Do you have another suggestion, or do you want to alter the referencing? (It would be lovely to have Sanssouci recognised in this way.)
See the discussion at:
Tony 11:09, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Hello, I posted the IG Farben Building on the FAC on the 17th July. It's currently got a support consensus, but only from 4 people. I'd be more comfortable with a stronger consensus and was wondering if you might be prepared to comment on the article? Many thanks. -- Mcginnly 11:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
I have made substantial additions to the History section, with concomitant additions to Footnotes and References.
I do hope that you like the material, which mostly deals with the early history of the site. -- FClef (Talk) 23:55, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
I no longer wish to be in the company of an idiot (Fred) who can make such a ridiculous suggestion [16] So I think I'll leave too. Giano | talk 22:31, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
[[:Image:Americangothic.jpg|thumb|centre| Eternally Obnoxious and Fred were not pleased to see the Epitome of Hell [1] returned]]
Excellent work, Giano! (or should that be "ingenio?") I rest yours sincerely FClef (but you can call me "Elizabeth") -- FClef (Talk) 20:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
Don't let it bother you; with that level of vociferous support I'd be extremely surprised if anything came of it for either you or the others. Stepping back from it, I think old Fred Dibnah is trying to demonstrate what an even hand he has, by making all parties (EE anyway) feel that the enquiry isn't a fait accomplis at this stage. Motions for a vote of no-confidence are probably ill-advised at this stage when nothing has actually been determined, it will only serve to antagonise an Arbcom who probably believes he is acting in good faith. It just means you'll all have to just swallow your pride a bit at the affront of the Proposed Remedies. You shouldn't have to, but there you are......if it really pisses you off - get a steam engine:- "Steam engines don't answer back. You can belt them with a hammer and they say nowt." -- Mcginnly | Natter 22:42, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the thanks. Whenever you feel less alienated, please consider taking a look at Cound hall and its deletion discussion (where I have added a couple of relevant links). The nominator was upset with me comparing this house favourably to an ugly concrete platform in Glasgow (it turned out that he had actually photographed the platform in question). up+land 09:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Go to the History tab, and click on View logs for this page. You'll see the following:
14:27, 20 February 2006 Quadell (Talk | contribs) deleted "Winslow Hall" (Listed on WP:CV since September).
I'm afraid the article is completely lost now, and can't be restored.
Please don't remove Speedy tags - that's considered vandalism. If you don't agree, add a hangon tag, as suggested by the Speedy tag itself.-- MichaelMaggs 21:42, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano. Glad to see that an Adminstrator was able to undelete the article for you. I stand corrected!-- MichaelMaggs 05:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I think you may be misinterpreting the "needs infobox" section of the "needs-infobox" parameter of the BioWikiProject template, which you commented on here. The goal is to have an infobox for each person with a biography greater than a glorified stub. By the way, if you have a problem with the way the infobox is formatted, you may wish to join that WikiProject and see if you can effect a change, instead of calling their product "ugly." Captainktainer * Talk 07:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I have an illuminating story to add here. I don't write biographies. And I don't really have a feel for how they should best be organized, a problem I've had in working on the one bio article I've tried my hand at. Yesterday I saw a "Welcome to the biography Wikiproject" template message get slapped down on a user talkpage I was watching. It included this bullet point:
Well! Article structure tips! Sounds good! I present for your nauseation the tips:
$%#&! — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 14:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Uhmm, some of the above seems dangerously close to your having a sense of humour again Giano, of course much of it is just sarcasm, which isn't quite the same thing. Nevertheless I see reasons to hope for a full recovery. I may have to think about reverting this edit someday. Perhaps when the next World Cup thingie comes around again, and you get a chance to tie us in foosball again, will that will improve your humour? Paul August ☎ 20:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Hello. I've noticed some joyless gnome has tagged Architectural history as needing 'cleanup' (Whatever that means). It is a pretty poor article which I'm going to tinker with. To start, I've added some references of books I possess - unfortunately my book shelf is sagging under the weight of modern architecture material but nearly devoid of architectural history books before circa 1850. ('Architectural history' at University, all those years ago, zoomed through 7000 years of history in 2 weeks and then spent the next 5 years discussing everything from William Morris onwards). Could you recommend any good books that give good concise overviews? PS. I already have Deitsch, Deborah K (15 Jul 2002) Architecture for Dummies, Hungry Minds Inc, U.S., ISBN 0764553968. -- Mcginnly | Natter 12:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Ok, folks, tell me what's wrong with boxes and templates. I've begun [19] writing up my idears. Geogre 14:08, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Giano, at Villa Lante you—well, I guess it was you— wrote that the villa didn't come by that name until it was sold to the Duke of Lante in the C17. Are you sure that's right, I ask, not having an Almanach at hand. Duca di Lante? -- Wetman 12:07, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
sorted out at last! (This cognointellectual leap is explained in the edit summary.) -- Hoary 09:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
Giano, are you familiar with the archINFORM online database? There is a stub on it that is now nominated for deletion per WP:WEB (too low Alexa rank). The article itself is actually a rather pointless stub; I have tried to argue that the topic is worth an article (in analogy with academic publications), but people just keep dropping by with "delete per nom" votes. (I could have spent the time I have used on that AFD actually improving the article but I'm sick of it now.) up+land 05:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like to make several points:
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Have you by any chance seen this? So, while I was watching P&J, you were communing with the Dashwoods? -- ALoan (Talk) 17:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
In case you've e-mailed today I won't see it for a while, please see post on Geogre's page. Bishonen | talk 20:58, 14 August 2006 (UTC).
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Thanks for your notice, but I'm well aware of the problem. I have several large articles on my hands, written months ago, such as Russian Revival and Russian Enlightenment, which I lack time to post, and I also prepare the article about Architecture of Kievan Rus, which is as far from Palladianism as possible and looks pretty idiotic in its present form. And Baroque architecture lacks passages about Central and Eastern Europe. I'm also getting involved in Russian Wikipedia and it doesn't help to accelerate my progress, either. I will take a vacation next week and read up on the subject. Cheers, Ghirla -трёп- 13:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. See also the ongoing discussion on the case's workshop page. I continue to find the idea of a one-month (or one-minute) ban for your comment absurd. But you would need to lose at least two more votes for that to happen so you probably won't get your holiday after all. Regards, Newyorkbrad 20:39, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I would like it known I consider the discussions taking place here [21] and here [22] to be not only excruciatingly embarrassing for wikipedia, but ridiculous in the extreme but I am sincerely grateful to the many who have pleaded my case and passed comment. However, I would like us all to take a step back, and think "Why are we, a group of intelligent adults, arguing about the rights and wrongs of recommending fugu to a disruptive editor who happens to be in Japan" - it's all just a little daft isn't it? So lets not waste any more time on it. It will all come to nothing.
The positive outcome though of this, is that it has highlighted my concerns about the logic and intellect that is applied in the upper echelons of Wikipedia. Too many mediocre, lacklustre people are allowed to become admins and climb the ladder, as a result the management team is not impressive, and in my opinion some serious hiring and firing needs to take place. At the moment there are too many bad eggs in this omelette, someone at the top needs to be ruthless and singly focused - and that is what is lacking here. Quality management will attract quality editors. The kids are taking over the kindergarten, and there is too much dithering and discussion to stop them. I shan't leave over all this, but it will be a long time before I feel the same way about the project again - but thanks to you all. Giano | talk 07:13, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
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Dear Giano, Can you tear yourself away from weightier matters to shed any light on this? I reproduce below a note I have written to User:wub. Please leave me a msg here if you can explain what's gone on.
Re: Category:British Cultural Icons Hello, wub. I have contributed to both Buckingham Palace and Trooping the Colour. I see that on both of these you recently removed the Category:British cultural icons with AWB, citing CFD. Relatively new to Wikipedia, I confine my activities to writing and the odd merge, and was unaware of this. Can you tell me what has happened to this popular and useful category? Has it been deleted? Or has it been merged? What has happened to the many articles which were under this category?
I will watchlist this page and check back here for an answer or would be grateful to hear from you on User talk:FClef
I am copying this note to the Help Desk and to a couple of Wikifriends more experienced than I, to see if they know what the fate of this category is. Best wishes. -- FClef (talk) 20:10, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Giano . -- FClef (talk) 20:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Image:West WycombeRoomlayout.gif was bad. We are asked to: a) upload to the commons, b) use PNG or SVG rather than GIF. Don't dither - 256 colours should be enough for a line drawing providing your drawing program picks a sensible palette of solid colours. -- RHaworth 18:18, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Some folks at Commons (commoners, in other words) want .png and .svg files instead of .gifs, which is their prerogative, and you're supposed to scan using a 256 color scale with "dithering" turned off. It should probably be a grayscale. Each project seems to end up spawning a group of regulars, and with some of the sister projects these spores develop into colonies. The commoners are bizarre to me. Imagine the most prickly and abstruse cat fighters and image wire-pullers on Wikipedia and then magnify them by four fold, as they have no consideration for the use of these things. They get to be purists. The fact that .gif is far better for grayscale and line art than .png is unimportant to them. They are the Commoners, and they are ruling. Use the image you want, so long as it's free, and upload just to .en, if they're going to want to delete an image for not being .png. Geogre 21:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
*1* Nor do I much care reads as rude an arrogant, I hope you do not mean it that way. The GIF/PNG/SVG debate I do not care much about either. Dithering is a well established term which you ought to know about since it affected the quality of the image being discussed. The whole point of the Commons is that it enables a single upload to be shared by all the Wikimedia projects - remember that there are languages other than English. -- RHaworth 10:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I trust you are well. May I ask for a moment of your time? I've recently been working on the article unfinished work, progressing towards FA status at the moment. Some comments there say how the architecture section is woefully short, and needs some more work. While I was originally intending for the majority of such content to go into unfinished building, I accept that it would be worthwhile including some examples in this article. There are many buildings that have been partially constructed, but do you know of any prominent examples of unfinished architecture, ie. notable incomplete plans, designs, or the like? I'd appreciate any pointers you have on the issue. Thanks, violet/riga (t) 18:44, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
You're a star. I've been able to expand the section quite nicely now - thanks for your extremely speedy response. violet/riga (t) 20:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
Angel, are you sure you know what "using rollback" means? Just in case: Tony Sidaway didn't use rollback to remove the recall nomination on BoG's page. Lar did use rollback to revert Tony's removal. (In many people's estimation, this is equivalent to Lar calling Tony a vandal.) Bishonen | talk 21:09, 21 August 2006 (UTC).
As an educated person who is a native speaker of Italian, Giano, what is the singular of condottieri, those Renaissance leaders of warbands? After deciding, you might look into the connected Talkpage. Do you have a definitive Italian dictionary at hand?-- Wetman 23:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm canvassing votes for our mate in Cambridge at Charles Matthews Election Candidate. Perhaps you might like to make a contribution?-- Mcginnly | Natter 10:38, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Curious about your reasoning for removal of Waddesdon Manor from cat [Châteauesque architecture] -- it seems to accord well with the definition of " Châteauesque" given in that article. -- mervyn 07:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
I think you may want to hold off on integrating the word into daily conversation. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 17:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider letting go of that conversation. We're starting to tread into the realm of blockable civility violations ( WP:CIVIL obviously) and he's already changed his response. Further taunts and namecalling might end up with the result of suspension of your editing privilages. If you feel the need to reply, please do it here. ~Kylu ( u| t) 00:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi,
Regarding Carnildo's RfA, when I said all parties behaved badly, I meant precisely that. Everyone might have handled the matter more sensitively, realizing that the subject was emotionally-charged. As Jimbo himself said, the situation originated over "one stupid userbox." In tense times, escalation of one's rhetoric is often a poor choice, even when provoked by another. You might have responded to being blocked less angrily; indeed, from your questioning of my generalization to your conversation with User:Lar today, it seems clear that you lack the ability to view this matter dispassionately, even six months after the fact. This is only my opinion, of course, but I consider calmness a virtue in nearly every circumstance. This is a flaw I see in your conduct. Best wishes, Xoloz 05:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I think your block entry is unjust and should be expunged. See this VP entry and please consider supporting it, perhaps something could be done developmentwise. ++ Lar: t/ c 11:37, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
The term "incivility warning" is new to me. Have the authors of the warnings above considered that incivility isn't a block reason? Please see WP:BLOCK. Are you really claiming that Giano is disrupting the site — posing a threat to it? Also, I ask Xoloz and NoSeptember to please not take a purely technical or numerical view of incivility. Read your own words, look into your hearts, and please tell me if you would feel civilly treated if you were to receive admonitions as pompous as those you have placed on this page. Bishonen | talk 16:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC).
For the benefit of anyone thinking of coming here to threaten me with blocks please take note and listen well. When accused without foundation of "Hate Speech" I become very unpleasant. I become unpleasant to those who accuse me, and those who defend them. I have never made "hate speech" those that say I did are liars. Those who defend liars can describe themselves. So whatever you think of yourself, or however you justify your actions please don't waste your time here. Carnildo has accused me of hate speech. He is a liar. He has not apologised, he has shown no remorse. He is a liar. You want him as an admin? That's your decision, but please just don't try to alter my opinion. I have still the block log saying I make hate speech - what has he got? - those fine admins above, and I wish him joy of them. Hate speech may not be much in the wonderland you all live in, but in my world it's quite a big deal. Giano | talk 20:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid your rampant incivility towards others has persuaded me to block you for 48 hours. Please note that this gives you an excellent chance to calm down, review the policies regarding civility (see WP:CIVIL and WP:WQT particularly) and to reassess your behaviour towards others here. You're no martyr, Giano, and continuing to badger users for their votes (Lar on the RfA for instance) is simply going to make a bad situation worse.
Please note that this isn't a punishment, it's a "time out" to give you a chance to recover and take time away from the Wiki. You do good work here, and I'd hate to lose you as a contributor, but the attitude really needs adjustment, my friend.
Oh, and there was no "veiled threat" implied by me earlier, I'm sorry you felt that there was. ~Kylu ( u| t) 01:59, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
I've unblocked. Some discussion on User talk:Kylu. I believe the situation was calming down already and I really hope this doesn't re-escalate it -- please Giano? — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 04:05, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that you are acting in an uncivil manner on
User talk:Kylu. Please remain
civil and don't resort to making personal attacks or instigate
edit wars Misfunction of the template - sorry Giano.
Daniel
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Bryant
09:47, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Oh my god, I see that the split between wikilawyering admins and writing editors of WP is getting ever wider. Please check Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Discretion blocks by admins for related discussions. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:20, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Please remove the statement which says that you will not pay as much respect to admins who don't write 1FA per year. This is per the Wikipedia guideline WP:TPG, which states that "...treat the other person in the discussion as a fellow editor, who is a thinking, feeling person, trying to positively contribute to Wikipedia, just like you".
I guess I could "modify" the personal attack so it doesn't exist, and I'm sure that my "dicky behaviour" would "modify" with it. Daniel . Bryant 11:12, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
You need to remove the promise to be uncivil from your talk page. Such conduct is utterly unacceptable. I removed it once, and I see you've reinstated it, proving your intentions to be deliberately uncivil. Deliberate incivility is grounds for a block; if you do not turn from this course your continued participation in this project will not be welcome, and you will be asked to leave. Kelly Martin ( talk) 13:42, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I found it most amusing that, after seeing the big notice at the top, I hit the 'user contribution' and was greeted with a screen full of non main namespace edits. Going back another screen there was only 2 in total. So I guess only admins are supposed to write articles, Giano? -- Gmaxwell 14:00, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I only said what should have been said, that is that some editors count more than others, and the community should be grateful of their work, and so of your work. I fully understand your frustration regarding admins that hardly touch the namespace; even if your idea of how to make admins would sure cut me out (I like working on short or medium-size articles best):-) Ciao,-- Aldux 22:58, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
You are actually missing my point which is the whole point of us being here is to produce a first class encyclopedia, the only way that can be achieved is through first class articles. No one writes an FA (which can be short) completely alone, I can barely write English, ALoan and Bishonen go through mine with a fine tooth comb before they even reach the FAC page, then there are the whole load of editors who comment on the FAC itself and thus further improvements, all the principal editor does is regurgitate facts from books hopefully in an interesting and comprehensive fashion, anyone can do that, and everyone should. No one owns a page for this reason.
Also writing an FA is amazing, the most rewarding I have ever done were the New Zealand architects, when editors I had never met took to the streets of far away New Zealand taking fotos for them, that was a real Wiki-community thing, and it was great. I would like everyone to experience that sort of thing - it makes sense of the whole community working together, and shows how fantastic this project could be, if everyone forgot for a while their own agenda.
Then we come to the admin thing, in my view there are some admins here who do not pull their weight in actually producing the encyclopedia. There are indeed hundreds who have no time to write because they are shouldering the massive amount of admin tasks and have no time (so I think I will change my banner to "strive"). However, there are others who (in my view) prance about like failed ordinandi from a Catholic seminary, they contribute nothing, if they wrote anything in their early days this has stopped, while they now run about misinterpreting wiki laws and generally attempting to tell others how and what they should be writing, what standards of writing and behaviour is expected of them etc etc etc. These people are (in my view) disruptive. These are the ones I would like to see weeded out. However it won't ever happen, as to "name and shame" them would be declared uncivil by them, and I would be banned by them. So the situation is depressingly likely to continue for eternity, so we must put up and shut up, except I'm not very good at shutting up. But writing this I have just realised what can't be cured must be endured, so I'll take my beautiful banner and the Utopia it represents down, or at least modify it, I've grown rather fond of the bull. Giano | talk 13:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I see that Belton House is on the main page. Congratulations on another featured article. Here's to many more. DVD+ R/W 02:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Is there a difference between 'someone being treated with less respect than they feel they deserve' and 'someone feeling they have been insulted'? Regards, Ben Aveling 06:54, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome, and I'm sorry you're being put through the ringer. This is the only thing that really matters around here, so congratulations, and keep your chin up. :-) SlimVirgin (talk) 08:01, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Looking good there! Bishonen | talk 08:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC).
Actually, I was thinking about this last night, and had already decided that I needed to spend more time on actual articles for a little while.... and then I saw the, erm, 'discussion' on here.
I hereby grant you a complete and irrevocable license, to the fullest extent perrmitted by law, to be as rude to me as you like until either a) I've particapated in a few more featured articles or b) I renouce my adminship. ;) The Land 08:53, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
You're welcome -- it's an excellent article and only needed the odd semi-colon to be perfect (-: Mhardcastle 09:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Because you only caught one of the vandals. Bishonen | talk 14:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC).
I just saw this [32]. I don't know why, but I found the concept of you gifting a goat named Cecilia to be very very funny! Thanks for giving me a good laugh. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 15:13, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
I was promoted as admin (supermajority support, thank you very much ;) with ~600 mainspace edits. Now I have slightly more, but still, none of the articles I authored have been FAC'd, nor have I tried FAC'ing them, or any other entry. There is only one FARC for me and that's the FARC-EP! Long live their heroic struggle! El_C 13:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Don't you get tired of seeing your FAs all over the Main Page? Look at it now:
Simon Byrne, featured article of the day, appears so soon after
Belton House that BH is still listed among its "Recently featured" links. Do you actually write half the FAs in the place, or is that just how it looks?
About adding to that section: you might as well add info there as anywhere, because it's going to be part of our joint FA on the rebuilding eventually—isn't it? The fact is I don't want the section in the present article. It's getting too long anyway. What I want there about the rebuilding is something like a one-paragraph summary—summarising the not-yet-written separate fullscale rebuilding article. A tall order, you say? Yes, well. Yeah.
Bishonen |
talk
00:26, 9 September 2006 (UTC).
Thanks Guys for all the kind words. I would be lying if I didn't admit it is a huge fillip after the events of recent days to see them both listed there. So thanks all for dropping by. Giano | talk 08:22, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
You have my reply sir. And thank you for asking a substantive question;>-- R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
This comment, which you left on my talk page, is really quite unproductive and nominally offensive. Please refrain from leaving such unproductive, antagonistic comments on other editor's talk pages. Given your supposed campaign for "less bull", it seems quite hypocritical of you. Kelly Martin ( talk) 17:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
♪ Do you hear the people sing? ♪ Singing a song of angry men? ♪ It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again! ♪ -- ALoan (Talk) 18:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. On the topic, I actually wrote my thoughts on that which you may have missed. Please take a look at this and this (I have yet to respond to a latter). I don't see things as pessimistically though. All blocks I discusses were erroneous but honest errors. The problem with harassment by Tony I think is fairly recent. I don't think he's always been that way and things may yet cool down. Ciao! -- Irpen 10:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
You have. Bishonen | talk 17:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC).
Apropos, you mentioned on Bish-talk that my e-mail does not work. I don't understand why it does not work for you - I got the Plautus round-robin, for example. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Can I ask a big favour? I'm trying to get Intelligent design to featured article status, and I could really use your help. I'm pretty sure the first thing to do is work out in what ways it falls short? I know you've got a good understanding of what an article needs to have to qualify. Could you have a look at the article, and add your thoughts at Talk:Intelligent design#Featured Article? Regards, Ben Aveling 23:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I responded to your observation on my talk and sent other comments by mail. You may have noticed that arbitrators do not converse with each other on talk pages, why should we? It is not safe to let one's thoughts shared and known, when even e-mails are not private here any more. -- Ghirla -трёп- 15:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano - I was going to unblock you, but FloNight beat me to it. I'd appreciate it if you could tone it down just a notch. Raul654 21:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
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The following is lifted from here [41]
Tony Sidaway then removed my last comment with this startling edit summary [43]. Seems there really is one law for some, and another for him. No one liftes a finger to stop him. So please some-one explain the difference Giano | talk 21:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, I unblocked you because I do not think a block was needed. I'm not sure that you need to keep posting messages on talk pages, either. The messages are bothering some other users and that is not a good thing. FloNight 21:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Oh dear. Well, I have been gainfully employed on other things. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano has taken his concerns about the recent Carnildo affair beyond the level of reasonable discussion and has begun to make quite hysterical and false accusations [44] [45]. I've given him three hours to reconsider his words and cool down a bit. -- Tony Sidaway 21:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, for the delay in posting. Keep getting edit conflicts. Giano will not respond positively to a block so I unblocked. -- FloNight 21:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I support getting Giano to return to the excellent work he has done in FA's and to try and let the situations outside of that become the past, as they should be. I also hope folks aren't going around undoing Tony Sidaway's admin actions, knowing that he cannot revert them since he is under an administrative 1RR ruling. Let's not undo others admin actions as this is the second time in less than 24 hours an admin has changed Tony's blocks.-- MONGO 21:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I see a big problem here and this problem is not Giano ( talk · contribs), but Tony Sidaway ( talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). Tony has turned the entire Wikipedia into a battleground between himself and anyone who dares to disagree with him. Tony has lately resorted to a more fiery methods of intimidation, including frivolous arbcom submissions and, most amazingly, blocks when the opponent is especially voiceful. His own recent activity ranged between foul language, personal attacks, intimidation and gross abuse. There is no single contribution into a single article in mainspace, which is also noteworthy.
Until Tony will stand in front of ArbCom for his contempt of everyone but himself, he needs time to chill out. I call on the community ro consider giving him a time to cool off. Perhaps a 1-3 day block will be enough for him to take a good use of a wikibreak, cool down and come back somewhat chilled out. -- Irpen 21:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe Giano may be more than a little upset at the way Tony responds incivily to a civil (and might I add hypothetical) statement, then, called on it, says "ridiculous threats deserve to to be treated with loud and resounding contempt." Noting that one would call for Tony's recall if he were a bureaucrat is not any sort of threat that I can discern. Tony is being incivil; he has been consistenty policing post-Carnildo discussion to what seems to me a disruptive point, and he should perhaps block himself for three hours for a calm-down, if he finds such blocks generally effective. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 21:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
Did anyone bother to discuss the blocking with Tony before reverting his action?-- MONGO 22:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
If no one minds I'm going to attempt to stifle and censor discussion by proposing that this matter best be handled as dispute resolution between Giano and Tony Sidaway. Tony reported his block, the block has been undone. Nothing's going to be accomplished here save much grumbling and drama. We all know where the dispute pages are; we all know where to discuss the blocking policy. Administrative action isn't needed here. Mackensen (talk) 22:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
User:Tony Sidaway is dedicated to this project. He has clearly spent thousands of hours serving Wikipedia as an administrator, as the ArbCom clerk (time-consuming and tedious I'm sure), and in meta-debate as well. When doing his job well, he is one of the most valuable Wikipedians. Unfortunately, Tony has his rough edges: by his own admission, he is sometimes uncivil; he says what's on his mind and minces no words; and lots of people have had to urge him more than once to cool down; and he's acknowledged that he has a fiery temper, to the point that he is subject to restrictions not placed on any other administrator. But he's put in his time; he's been subject to vicious personal attacks off-wiki for his work here; and he withstands it all and continues to work for Wikipedia. User:Giano is dedicated to this project. He has clearly spent thousands of hours serving Wikipedia as a contributor to some of our best articles, and more recently to some extent in meta-debate as well. When doing his job well, he is one of the most valuable Wikipedians. Unfortunately, Giano has his rough edges: when provoked, he sometimes skirts the edges of civility; he says what's on his mind and minces no words; and lots of people have had to urge him more than once to cool down. But he's put in his time; he's been subject to inane block summaries and proposed (fortunately not enacted) ArbCom remedies; and he withstands it all and continues to work for Wikipedia. There is a place for both of these people here, and it's not sitting behind blocks. Newyorkbrad 22:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
//sigh// Well, I was hoping that perhaps what I wrote would induce Tony Sidaway to acknowledge that Giano has his merits, and Giano to recognize that Tony Sidaway has his. Not working out that great so far, is it? Tony likes to write that he's "not one of life's mediators," and it looks like perhaps I shouldn't quit my day job either. Newyorkbrad 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I keep encountering the above discussion all over the place. No wonder everybody involved is confused.
On the block, Giano, I do understand that you may feel that there is a justifiable grievance to express, but I really felt that you had finally gone completely overboard and started ranting hysterically and that a short time of reflection would have helped. Such statements as "I smell a rat" and "even Angela is involved, there are no innocents here" should really never, in my opinion, be uttered by one Wikipedian about another. I had hoped that by permitting others to deal with your problematic editing, which had--now admit it--gone on for weeks now, I would somehow enable you to get your bearings again. But when this didn't happen I thought I should give you a little reminder that we mustn't go around spreading hatred about people on Wikipedia. It just isn't what it's for.
Well it looks as if in taking that action I only encouraged your persecution complex--for which I apologise. I really don't know you from Adam, except that your behavior in promoting incivility and hatred has become a problem. -- Tony Sidaway 00:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Tony, please don't continue this. Attempting to dismiss others' legitimate concerns brought to your face as "paranoia" is insulting. My claim of your reasons for blocking both of them for simply fearlessly standing up to your intimidation stands.
Best yet, please leave alone the users who are here to create an encyclopedia in mainspace and let some sensible admins who actually write content talk with them when needed. Those admins know that their job is to create a best environment for content creation. Whatever games for influence you are playing here, keep the content creating editors out of them. -- Irpen 00:56, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Giano. Does the bull have a name? I'm just curious and nosy. Also wanted to lighten up a very heavy talk page. I have suggestions if it doesn't. Take care -- Samir धर्म 06:59, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Now everyone is a little more calm in the best Agatha Christie style I shall now explain the events of last night to you all, first for the benefit of all the new editors we have to have a little history, months ago I made two comments (follow it all from here [50]) regarding the wisdom of allowing known paedophiles to edit. For this I was immediately banned for "hate speech" by Carnildo, of course that was ridiculous and Carnildo was immediately de-sysoped. We then fast forward to Carnildo application for re-sysoping [51], I was one of the chief opponents because Carnildo had never apologised or expressed understanding of how bad for wikipedia his actions had been.
Then we had the Eternal Equinox arbitration fiasco, and it was indeed a fiasco, Arbitrators felt in spite of her atrocious behaviour they could not ban her, but would ban me for one month for annoying her, not three hours, a week, but a month! [52] Everyone was incredulous, I don't think anyone could really believe it was a serious proposition, yet strangely two Arbitrators supported it, one with the famous words, "pour encourager les autres". One thought is that it was to encourage Carnildo to re-apply for adminship, or was it already known he was going to apply on a certain date - how convenient it would have been if I were safely out of the way for a month.
Well I wasn't banned I was there and very vocal. The RfA went against all tradition and set a new precedent of promoting without consensus, this could not have happened if all members had not been fully consulted. The inevitable fall out would have been assessed and a mode of dealing with it decided in advance. (If they truly thought there would be no fall-out, then they are so out of touch they should all resign en masse). Hence I posted [53]. Which is exactly what the arbcom is doing, they have been repeatedly asked by the editorship to come forward and explain, but they do not, we are treated with silent disdain - there are many of them - where are they? All we have is Kelly Martin (arbitrator emeritus as she terms herself) informing us we are a "fickle and ill-informed populace." [54]. Still a resounding silence so I posted this [55]. Of course that was far to close for comfort, so I was immediately blocked by Tony Sidaway the arbitrator's clerk.
Tony Sidaway is permitted by the Arbitrators to be their unofficial mouthpiece, for ages I thought he was an arbitrator so confident are his pronouncements. He is allowed a latitude permitted to no other editor. Through him they judge the mood of the encyclopedia. The problem is for the Arbcom now, is that they have permitted the guard dog to reply to the mail and answer the telephone for far too long - never a good idea.
I still have ""hate speech"" on my block log, Carnildo has never once contacted me or apologised so I feel slapped in the face in by the Arbcom. However, more importantly by riding rough shod over the views of the ""fickle and ill-informed populace"" they have insulted us all. They have bought this on themselves.
The Arbcom have altered without consultation the whole ethical ethos of the encyclopedia - they should at least explain as a united body - why? Does the view of the editorship count or has consensus gone out of the window. The Arbcom needs to come down from on high (all of them) re-assure editors they are valued, and get the place back to writing an encyclopedia, unhindered by minor buzzing admins who contribute nothing. Then they need to examine themselves and decide where they want the encyclopedia to go and how.
I thank all those who have been friendly to me, also the ones who doubt the validity of what I am saying; and I ask those who think I am paranoid to just have a hard think for five minutes. For anyone who may be wondering/hoping: No, I have no wish for personal power here, not even to be an admin and I have no intention of leaving at all, not of my own free will anyway. I just want to write an encyclopedia and express a legitimate view when necessary. Giano | talk 08:55, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, there is always the chance that it was a horrendous cock-up (oops - personal attack and profanity there). Forgive me for asking, but is there any evidence for this wide-ranging conspiracy? -- ALoan (Talk) 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, you're expecting a level of generosity and courtesy that is simply inappropriate in this context-- more to the point, have you any tweaks to offer Jockey-Club de Paris? -- Wetman 11:07, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
As per your suggestion I've thought about it for 5 minutes. My God Giano, I think ALoan, Bishonen etc. need to sit you down with some more Port and soothing words before you completely lose the plot. Without any evidence to the contrary I'm definitely in the 'cock-up over conspiracy' camp. Accusations of incompetence we could probably sustain, but this? Really? Doddery old User:Fred Dibnah made a mistake I think, Charles Mathews was positioning for his candidacy at the board and you were unfortunate collateral damage, but a wide ranging conspiracy that it was all engineered to keep you out of the way of Carnildo's RfA? Why just you and not EL_C too if that were the case? Come on man, sit, take the weight off, pour yourself a glass and we'll go and shout our lungs out at the footie referee from the safety of the terrace, but not this. -- Mcginnly | Natter 11:17, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
(edit conflict) My dear foolish friend Giano, the footsie thing has gone to your head. While the conspiracy theory you propose hangs together just enough for a nice plot for a made for TV movie, I suggest using Occam's razor to cut your grand conspiracy into a little pile of unconnected cock-ups. I do like the "guard dog" bit though. And as for Angela please read this. Paul August ☎ 11:57, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Could someone help me - I'm looking for a diff regarding the Tour de France (I think) illustrating some jaw droppingly amusing parochial ignorance about France that had me giggling the other day - I thought I'd seen it posted here but I can't find it - any ideas?-- Mcginnly | Natter 12:16, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I have left. I shall not be returning. Giacomo. [18:39, 15 September 2006 {UTC)]
Take a break. I went through a really rough patch in early June. Over time my feeling changed enough to enjoy editing again. Hopefully a few days off will help. Take care, FloNight 19:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I also left, due to me being mistreated (in my estimation) by a long-term user who would not apologize or promise to refrain from blocking or reverting me in the future. Eventually, I came back. I did so because the goal of the encyclopedia is worthwhile, and is more important than the flawed personalities involved. I truly hope you reconsider and return. You are highly valued here. – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 19:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
It's very sad to see this, but for those who are urging his return, I should point out that this edit said that he had scrambled his password, and he seems to have disabled his e-mail, so unless he left his preferences so that Wikipedia still has his e-mail address but that other users can't e-mail him (I'm not sure if that is a valid option), he may not be able to return as Giano. An absolute shame. Perhaps he might, in his own time, choose to register another account. I'm sure many people would welcome him back. Giano, if you're reading this, thanks for all the work you did for the encyclopaedia. AnnH ♫ 22:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
Fuck! Paul August ☎ 02:41, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Sorry to see you go. Everyone is a human being and good contributors are valuable. Sometimes, in the bizarre politics of this place, that gets forgotten. Take care. Jonathunder 04:12, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Dear Giano/Giacomo, Please don't leave! To be honest, I was amazed by the various controversies. My perception of you from when I joined and first started writing was as a knowledgeable and witty person and I was surprised to see all the aggro and controversies bedevilling your talk page. I am sure you don't need to be in any of those, and that you should be doing what you do best (ie, producing FA's).
You must be aware that Wikipedia is not the same without you. "Plis, Missus Anna, do not leave us in darkness!" (as whined by the Siamese children at the end of The King and I).
By the way, on a completely different topic, do invest in Georgian London, by John Summerson - tremendous on architecture as well as history. On the other hand, you probably have it already. And just think, where could you get such light relief from colleagues such as -- FClef (talk) 09:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC
I sincerely hope you will come back, although I can understand that you're taking a step back after the disgusting things that have been happening here. Be well. — mark ✎ 20:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
To a friend I did not know I had, don't let the awfulness that is the present Arbitration Committee get you to leave the joys of article writing to other, inevitably less knowledgable and less helpful, writers. Never give in — never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy. David | Talk 20:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I feel bad. I just got to know you and read your exceptional FA's on the main page. In the spirit of leaving ruminants on talk pages, here's a water buffalo. He also wishes that you come back -- Samir धर्म 21:52, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, hope you like the barnstar
here I have left you for your wit, generosity, knowledge and fortitude. Least one can do. --
FClef
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23:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure how I feel about this project, but the Citizendium may be a project that will better suit your temperament. Given your penchant for writing Featured Articles, I would imagine that you would rapidly become a valued and respected contributor there. Captainktainer * Talk 02:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, all that remains is the hope for divine intervention. I can think of a few more putrid "boils" that need lancing. From a great height. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:28, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
What's this? Leaving! Surely not - I departed on Friday to London for the open building weekend, thinking I'll take some pics and offer them to Giano to cheer him up a bit - I come back, You've bloody left! Well here's the Staircase of the Queen's House in Greenwich and I'll keep the rest until you return. -- Mcginnly | Natter 13:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for all the kind words (those of you who have said kind words anyway) much appreciated, but I realise there are still things here I need to do, for how long though I'm unsure, it all depends.
My attempts to give up wikipedia appear at the moment to be as successful as my many attempts to quit smoking, so I hope this edit will prove to be just one quick gasp. I think one thing we all agree on is that Wikipedia has a big problem, apart from me, that is. There is a haemorrhage of quality editors who feel belittled and undervalued by the treatment they receive here by an overbearing and sinister arbcom, and too many little buzzing admins. The only way to rectify this is to allow those valued editors a voice, and a very loud one too. There are many editors, all valued, and contributions range from boring (to me, categories) to writing front page articles, or numerous 500 word pages. There is one chap in wikipedia's basement (I will not embarrass him here, but I'll email his name to anyone who asks) who should be lauded and barnstarred for his work in categories, but I doubt many of you have ever heard of him.
The arbcom are now teetering on the edge of losing control - as demonstrated by the bizarre attitudes and sayings here of J Forrester and Kelly Martin (James don't ever join the army - your men would shoot you in the back if you behaved like that - you are an officer here, behave like one). As for Kelly Martin her unpleasant veiled threat to Geogre is despicable. In my view her repeated overbearing pronouncements make her unfit for the sensitive office she assumes.
At the moment the arbcom have lost touch and need to be re-ordered. This can be achieved simply and painlessly: J Forrester and K Martin who have shown their majestic lack of appreciation of the mood of the encyclopedia, should resign immediately, in Martin's case also all sysop and any other rights she may have. This will immediately prove to the editorship that there is change is in the air. Tony Sidaway needs to be prevented from arbcom clerking permanently, and as for Carnildo, whose RFA began this whole affair, well not much can be done there - he is once again an admin - so leave it alone.
Following the resignations (dismissal if necessary) of J Forrester and Kelly Martin a selection of highly valued and respected contributing editors should offer themselves in an extraordinary election to the arbcom, with two of them being elected. Geogre, Bishonen, ALoan immediately spring to mind, but their must be many others in other corners of the encyclopedia, the net should not be confined to admins but to the rank and file, one does not need a block button to have a worthy opinion - even here.
I would advise debate on this now, but not for too long, the arbcom can save itself or throw itself on the mercy of the encyclopedia - the encyclopedia being its editors. Giano 20:34, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm afraid I'm not an admin any more. I did run for the ArbCom in January and actually outperformed Fred Bauder (who was appointed). David | Talk 22:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
and I hope people will listen to you. I've just voiced similar concerns, and I realize it might already be worse than I thought. The problem, exactly as in real life, is that the editors who are here to write an encyclopedia wouldn't dream of accepting an arbcom position and be bogged down in politics (I know I wouldn't). But this is no excuse not to look for ways (policies) of protecting the prolific ("protect the prolific!", how is that for a slogan to call for change?). Just imagine... turning this back into an encyclopedic project. all the best, dab (ᛏ) 18:15, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
I know you're very unhappy with some officers here, but please don't let this thing burn out of control. I happen to think you were wrong in suggesting self-identified paedophiles should be banned, and I think it was wrong for you to be blocked for it. I would have voted for Carnildo's re-adminning, but I think he shouldn't have been promoted without clear consensus. I think TS was wrong to block you for a "cooling off" period, and I think your aggressive edits on the Bureaucrat's Noticeboard were out of line, and I think Tony was wrong to "archive" the comments he didn't like. There's plenty of unpleasantness to go around from all quarters.
It's very unlikely that anyone will be demoted over this, regardless of what you do. Nothing good will come out of pressing the issue. From here, a good outcome would be if you and they simply agreed to hate each other, and went on working on Wikipedia as separately as possible. A bad outcome would be if you left, due to a grudge, and they stayed. If you stick around, you'll delight some of us, and maybe it would disappoint others. Isn't that enough?
All the best, – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 20:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
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I think it is now time for a long hard think about the future of Wikipedia, and where it is, or is not going, and what happens to all the articles etc when it is gone. No one in authority seems to have the slightest care that this ship is charted into the eye of a storm. The captain seems to have delegated, to the first officers, who are all having a cocktail party in their cabin and the crew (who the officers regard as revolting) are being served by a steward they have attempted to throw overboard so the question is is it wise to jump ship or go down with her. That is what I am thinking. Giano 08:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
"Ms Martin, Mr Sidaway and their like have bullied and belittled for far too long, and now I'm going to stop them, single handedly if necessary."
This user is currently up for adminship - expires tonight - he's expressed this opinion [60] in relation to consensus and banning and is also applying to be an ArbCom clerk [61] for you info. Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Thatcher131. regards -- Mcginnly | Natter 18:39, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
An arbitration case has been submitted to review the actions surround the recent Giano case on AN. I've listed you as an involved party, and you may wish to view the case here. -- InkSplotch 18:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, MacGyverMagic - Mgm| (talk) 22:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I still don't know what "behind the skips" means. — Bunchofgrapes ( talk) 02:34, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
Giano, why the uncertainty within what is now Italy between rotonda and rotunda? (See e.g. the first para of Villa Capra.) I'd guess that they reflect different versions of Italian and that Florentine and (earlier) Venetian Italian show a difference, but guesses aren't sufficient. The words are weighing on my mind after my recent return from Estonia, where little rotonde or rotunde seem popular (notably that just up the hill from the old building of the University of Tartu) and are delightfully labeled rotund, giving them a particularly self-satisfied air. -- Hoary 04:32, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
Greetings. Earlier, I said "Nothing good will come out of pressing the issue." It appears I may have been wrong. On the down side, this RfAr threatens to take up a good deal of your time, leaving little for you to write the wonderful articles you are famous for. I hope I'm wrong about that as well. All the best, – Quadell ( talk) ( random) 20:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
Hi. I saw your most recent comment on the arbitration and on FloNight's page. FYI, I believe that User:MacGyverMagic rather than FloNight is clerking "your" case. But I was quite astonished by what I had read so thank you for confirming that someone other than me was discomfited by the remark in question. Newyorkbrad 09:28, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Hello, dear Giano II, may I call you II? Are you by any chance still online? Bishonen | talk 22:00, 1 October 2006 (UTC).
Dear Giano - could you please translate the Hebrew epigraph quoted at the top of your page? The little Hebrew I have doesn't quite run to that. You may if you wish reply to my talk page.
Hope you have had a spiffing Autumn equinox - or should I say Yom Kippur?
Cheers. -- FClef (talk) 00:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
"If the flames seize upon the cedars, what will the hyssops on the wall do?
If the leviathan is brought up with a hook, what will the small fish do?
If drout hits the dashing torrent, what will the waters of the purling brook do?"
And no you should not say Yom Kippur, I am of the faith that celebrates Michaelmass, but I'm quite happy to celbrate Yom Kippur with friends if they ask me - in fact I'll go anywhere for a free drink!, and my many Jewish friends do seem to like a good party Giano 08:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Glad to help defuse the situation. Hopefully this will all be over soon, and we can go back to editing (well, in my case more wikignoming and category rambling). Since you seem to be quite knowledgeable on several subjects, and I saw mention of Italian and Egyptian stuff at various points on your talk page, I was wondering whether you would know anything about the name Ptolemy? I did some work a while ago on Ptolemy (name), and I am trying to find out what has been written about the history of the name and how it spread to other countries and what forms it took there. In particular, where the spelling Ptolemy in English originated from. I don't expect you to knwo anything about this, but I thought I'd just ask, more in hope than expectation! :-) Carcharoth 11:43, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
All posts by you to my talk page will be summarily removed. -- Ideogram 21:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
FGS, is hotmail eating my messages? you don't seem to be receiving them! :-( This is the exact same trouble BoG was having, with Hotmail. What am i supposed to do? Have you not even received that text I proofread?? Bishonen | talk 19:31, 3 October 2006 (UTC).
If you ever get time, I would be grateful if you would take a look at Collegio di Spagna. I've had some notes on it on my computer for a year, planning to try to get hold of some better references, but decided I might as well post it here for the rest of the world to improve. There is one book on its early history which I have seen in a catalogue but have not had access to (Berthe M. Marti, The Spanish college at Bologna in the fourteenth century : edition and translation of its statutes, Philadelphia: Pennsylvania U.P.; Oxford U.P, 1966) but probably a lot more in Italian or Spanish. up+land 11:35, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I've e-mailed you, please check. It's quite urgent, as I put a rather delicate question about bathroom fittings at Drottningholm—kind of thing I can't very well ask on the wiki—sorry if I'm a little fastidious about these things. If hotmail is still eating my messages, and you won't use the gmail thing, I guess this is goodbye. Oh, Giacomo! [/me weeps] Goodbye! Bishonen | talk 15:51, 4 October 2006 (UTC).
Concerning this. I've had some experienced of dealing with Ideogram. The guy views WP as a free chatroom. Don't fall into the trap. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
You should be able to find pages you were working on by looking in user:Giano's contributions, or try Special:Prefixindex to find subpages if you know the main page. Hope this helps. Thatcher131 14:32, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
Giano, assuming you can speak and read Italian well (I've been wrong before), check out talk:John Keogh. An it.pedia user wanted to refer me to a fellow who has patented the wheel in Italy who has name collision with the Irish rights campaigner. I can't figure out much about the Italian fellow, but he sounds curious enough to have a second article for. Geogre 17:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
I've given you a short cooling off block. This edit is unacceptable [69]. Whatever people do off-wiki, Wikipedians don't behave like that. Quite unacceptable.-- Doc 22:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
I have unblocked you, please see [70]. Bishonen | talk 23:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC).
Hi Giano, Forgive my asking this, but why not just present the evidence and let it speak for itself? Regards, Ben Aveling 03:10, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
With respect to this question my reason for proposing we thank Kelly is to put a decent end to the matter. I am fully aware that we could in detail set forth a number of infractions, but what would be the point. She did do good work, volunteer work, for a long time. She is now gone. RIP Fred Bauder 11:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes, you deserve it...and no I'm not one to give out frivillous barnstars.
Thank you both for your very generous awards, be assured that all I ever do is for the greater good of Wikipedia, however odd it may seem at the time! Giano 20:45, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, Trust you are in fine fettle. I was wondering if you might consider a question? I'm amassing a lot of source material for inclusion in Islamic architecture. Copplestone (p.160 in my copy) cites the Masjid-i-Jame Friday mosque of Yazd as being comparable, in terms of it's structural expression with western medieval buildings and King's College Chapel, Cambridge in particular - there's a photo comparison here. The comparison is undeniable but might be coincidental (or just as the natural result of both gothic and islamic architecture sharing a parentage with byzantine - there's also the cultural clash in Spain to consider - see Giralda) - unless I can find a concrete link between the two I'm inclined to leave the comparison out. What do you think? -- Mcginnly | Natter 20:36, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano the Second, I noticed List of notable Renaissance structures and added a couple things. Are they ok? Also would you mind if I added it and any subsequent ones to Portal:Architecture/New article announcements or would you add them? Best wishes, DVD+ R/W 20:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
Alas, I provided a link to Google Books, because I could not find a free image in Commons or elsewhere. There are very few free images illustrating the interior of Renaissance structures, in general. Probably because they are more difficult to take. Some institutions (like Russian churches) don't allow photographs of their interiors. Anyway, I think the image may wait until April. There are other things that may be fixed without Michelangelo's staircase. P.S. Don't worry about the template police; we will keep them at bay. -- Ghirla -трёп- 12:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano II! I just rolled back this edit you made, as it is rather inappropriate and uncivil, as I'm sure you already know. I invite you to participate in Wikipedia as fully as you wish, but try to remain on-topic and keeping in line with the basic notions of appropriate social graces. Cheers hoopydink Conas tá tú? 20:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Dear Giano II, Hope you've had a good weekend. I have enjoyed a nice bowl of orecchiete bolognese this evening, though I'm sure it would have tasted better in Italy. But to the point... I have written a new article - flypast. You'll see that it's taken several weeks. I hope you will visit it and that you like it. (There is a small section on the Italy World Cup celebrations. If you can pretty it up in any way or add any other graphics or images to it, feel free to do so. Actually, if you can alter the Festa della Reppublica caption to reflect a blue (i.e., existing) article, that would be nifty. You can reply on this talk page, or mine, or at the article if you are so minded. Thanks, and best wishes to you. -- FClef (talk) 01:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I've just moved Ludwig Persius to Friedrich Ludwig Persius - he's mentioned on Sanssouci - Curl gives his full name and so I amended the article and moved it to the full name with some redirects - trust this is ok with you. -- Mcginnly | Natter 21:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
It's a good start, but please see my comments. The point is: don't try to inflate her importance. Yes, she is notable, but not having been on the Titanic or not having become Prime Minister is not terribly interesting. Biruitorul 07:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano. This kind of classical article with wacky facts and tall stories is exactly what we need for DYK! Keep it up!
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The Epic Barnstar | |
This barnstar is awarded to Giano for his continuing efforts to improve coverage of interesting material from the historical era. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 00:07, 26 October 2006 (UTC) |
Thank you for participating in my recent RfA. Unfortunately consensus was not reached, and the nomination was not successful. However, I appreciate that you took the time to comment, and I did pay close attention to your thoughts, as I find it a valuable thing to understand how I am perceived by others in the Wikipedia community. Though the RfA was unsuccessful, I intend to continue contributing in a positive manner to Wikipedia, and if there is anything that I can do in the future to help further address your concerns, please do not hesitate to contact me. -- Elonka 10:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
You'll find it in userspace. Blnguyen put it on DYK and the cops moved in, so there didn't seem much else to do. Bishonen | talk 01:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC).
It was not moved to the archive. It was partly placed into an archive box & still present on the page. Your edit it caused it to be double posted so I reverted it as there's no need for it to be there twice. Also, the only part that was placed in the archive box was the exchange between Geogre and Doc that did not discuss you. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 21:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
Hello, Having read a number of the excellent articles you've written/worked on I wondered if I couldn't borrow your well-honed critical eye to look at "my" Pierre Rossier article which is a FAC? It's been languishing on the FAC page for several weeks and has four "support" votes (with none opposed). Thanks for your help! Pinkville 02:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for reading and voting, and for your comments. As for FACs, surely there's nothing more fundamental than anime and computer games! The list is uncharacteristically interesing at the moment, but I imagine Final Fantasy XXX is just around the corner... Pinkville 11:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Please see my explanation here. Gzkn 02:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano, I've been thinking about this one for a while, and have been wanting to ask you if I could rotate the first image just so slightly. It looks to me to be spun ~10° counter clockwise. The one you uploaded is Image:Waddesdon, entrance facade.gif and it has since been brought to the Commons by Germans as Image:Waddesdon entrance facade.gif - so maybe it would be good to not have two versions and to make sure your account is linked properly and so credited there. Also, I should have a draft of Château de Maintenon translated by the end of today so that will be blue. As always, DVD+ R/W 18:02, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you very much for taking the time to take a cleaver to the article - I have not yet reviewed in detail, but I can see already that its focus has improved substantially. It seem a shame to lose some of the detail, but the article will be better for it, I am sure. Thanks again. I am very grateful. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey Giano. I now realise I have never actually apologised to you for acting like a complete dick towards you back in August (I think it was August...), at the height of the...unfortunate...incident that I don't need to specify, because you'll know what I'm talking about. My "request" for you to do a variety of things, which were presented in unintentially demanding tones, were totally out-of-line, and for this I sincerely apologise. I won't make excuses (although I could if I wanted to...), because there is no doubt that my behaviour contravened AGF and CIVIL, to which there is no defence, in my opinion. Although I don't 100% agree with the now-shelved bull campaign, I have learned to respect it, and may even consider following it if I am granted the sysop buttons in the future. So again, sorry for all the ridiculous behaviour I showed towards you when things were at its' most heated, and I wish you well in all your writing endeavours - if I could write half the FA's you do, I'd be more-than-satisfied. I wish you all the best with all your editing, especially West Wycombe Park, which looks like it will be +FA very soon :). Cheers, Daniel.Bryant [ T · C ] 21:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
I don't know.... it's so confusing.... Could I take life in the limelight? Could you truly be happy with someone who has so few articles to her name (and none of them featured)?.... I must think on this. freppie 23:23, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Hey there. So I have Kroger Babb up at FAC right now, and I have one guy who's making some broad statements about the prose in the article. I'm not getting specifics, which is frustrating, and as much as I want to ignore it, he's made some good points in other FACs. Could I ask you to give it a one-over and see if you catch anything glaring? I understand if you're bogged down in other places, but I'd really appreciate it. Let me know. -- badlydrawnjeff talk 15:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps Sybil may condescend to allow a few memoirs to escape for a Christmas special, then I can be finally banned for ever in a blaze of glory, and all the other Wikipedians can have their Christmas Fairy wishes granted Giano 17:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
About that blaze of glory, wait! or postpone it indefinitely. I have a favor to ask too Giano. Would you take a look at this article, and peer review, Wikipedia:Peer review/Claude Nicolas Ledoux/archive1 and review or edit the article if you'd like? Anyone else reading please do too (hint). Congratulations from me as well on your new featured article. DVD+ R/W 20:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano, sorry I forgot to apologize for removing this image - unfortunately it is non free so it can't be used on user pages... Arniep 16:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Allow me to offer my congratulations as well! Though maybe not as creatively as Bish. It's a marvelous work and you should be quite proud! Cheers! *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 23:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
Architecture Barnstar
For your unrelenting turnout of the highest quality featured articles relating to architecture I award you the first Architecture wikiproject barnstar.
This award was introduced by the
WikiProject Architecture on 14 November 2006. --
Mcginnly |
Natter
20:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Re email see Blood eagle. -- Mcginnly | Natter 13:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Wow... wow... tell me how you did that... I want it. KazakhPol 05:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
I vocab stubbed the article because I felt that was the closest stub category. The only other category would be culture, or very possibly art history. Jeodesic 18:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I had to share this with you. Whilst trying to discover who Mereworth Castle had been sold to in 1930, I came across the obituary of a hapless Dominick Browne, 4th Baron Oranmore and Browne on the telegraphs website:-
"When his parents were involved in their accident at Southborough, Kent, in 1927 Dominick knew that peers were supposed to be buried in lead coffins. He therefore ordered one from a local undertaker, whose men managed to get it upstairs to receive the body. Unfortunately, they found it too heavy to carry downstairs and put it into a service lift; the ropes broke, sending the casket crashing through the basement. On the death of his mother two days later, the hearse with her coffin caught fire, and another vehicle had to be ordered."
Poor bastard. -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:26, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
Bishonen demonstrating smoldering passion under furs.
T:TDYK! -- ALoan (Talk) 00:04, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Thanks for your input on my (nearly recent) Request for adminship, which regretfully achived no consensus, with votes of 68/28/2. I am grateful for the input received, both positive and in opposition, and I'd like to thank you for your participation. | |
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Your new article is so interesting! Bishonen | talk 04:57, 18 November 2006 (UTC).
Would you mind having a read over Palais Strousberg? I've translated it from German and I'd be very grateful for a fresh set of eyes. Cheers. -- Mcginnly | Natter 18:08, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
I've just done this: rather more your territory, Giano. Any raw gaffes? -- Wetman 13:26, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
There is a new proposal here. -- Ghirla -трёп- 08:54, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your comments and feedback. I've ripped it out to Word and it's ready for a strip down, oil change and rebuild. I like your suggestions to improve paragraph flow - 1.lead - 2.mini bio on strousberg - 3. micro bio on orth - 4. Architecture section header with build costs, style appraisal etc. - 4a. Exterior - 4b. Interior - 5. Strousberg's bankruptcy - 6. Use as the british embassy - 7. Fate of the palais.
I'd (at least) already thought it needed a better ending and the 'fate' section needed to be last - there's a bit of a problem with your proposals however. The plans all relate to the palais after the British embassy modifications. So it makes sense to put that before describing the building (where I can easily describe how the building was initially and how it was changed in closely related paragraphs). If I'm putting the embassy before the building description then I need to put the bankruptcy before that. So my proposed running order becomes:- 1.lead - 2.mini bio on strousberg - 3. micro bio on orth - 4. Strousberg's bankruptcy and a social history splurge about the wider implications 6. Use as the british embassy including some of the key events that the embassty played a part in 4. Architecture section header with build costs, style appraisal etc. - 4a. Exterior - 4b. Interior - 7. Fate of the palais.
What do you think? -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
I have other priorities but may do a brief bit on Mentmore and Crafton but I don't really know much. My efforts to document the owner's significant involvement in Thoroughbred racing is in the hopes that a knowledgeable Brit will come along to Wikipedia and get involved in the WikiProject Thoroughbred racing. Handicapper 14:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanx. I will for sure. Handicapper 15:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Re: Mentmore Towers According the National Horseracing Museum [79] (and other highly credible websites), Mentmore Stud was in Leighton Buzzard. I have no concept of the area, but when I did a MSN map seach for travel distances, Mentmore was reported as 4.9 Miles from Leighton Buzzard which is why I thought because the Duke also rode horses that he probably built another stable close to the castle. Handicapper 19:39, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Here is a website I found yesterday that has considerable detail about Crafton with maps, photos and so on.
[80] .
I've only skimmed over it but note these quotes:
As best as I could gather, Rothschild built two stables near Wentmore. Maybe when you get a chance you could read this and guide me as to consolidating the two stales into one article and perhaps a separate one on Mentmore Stub. Handicapper 22:05, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
What do you think of Crafton Stud Farms and write about the two. Then a separate one for Mentmore Stud. Here is something weird. If as you say, Mentmore stud was not built until about 1912 then I don't understand this usually very reliable website [81] that shows these horses, who would have died long, long before 1912, are buried at Mentmore Stud, Leighton Buzzard:
Handicapper 22:58, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanx again. I actually think I'm beginning to understand it. Maybe though you can elaborate on Hawbridge Stables? Although it may be a while, I'll try to add to your effort, in particular a list of horses and major stable wins for cross referencing. Meantime, if you have more info or pictures, that would be great.
Handicapper
23:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano, sorry but I reverted you here taking no position on the issue as of now. Please do not give some here an excuse to block you. Too many are looking forward for an opportunity to do this. We can't afford this happend as we need your contributions. Stay cool and Cheers, -- Irpen 22:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano, I've reinstated the reversion. A reasoned statement regarding Charles' conduct added to whatever statement you make on the arbitration request would be fine, but a personally-directed remark is inappropriate there. Kat Walsh (spill your mind?) 23:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
Giano-- I noticed that you were closely involved in the FAC on the Opus Dei article way back in September of 2005. There had been a lot of trouble getting that article worked out due to the existence of a large number of single purpose accounts that show up to promote OD here on wikipedia. (I see from your comment the FAC discussion that no less than 3 different brand new accounts showed to vote in that discussion, for example).
Anyway, puppetry notwithstanding, I've recently done a major rewrite on the Opus Dei article and am requesting comments on its talk page. I think the new page is better, but the aforementioned single-purpose accounts have been reverting it pretty consistently. Could you look over the page and comment on whether the rewrite is an improvment and maybe help out in the ensuing discussion? -- Alecmconroy 14:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
You have. Bishonen | talk 19:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC).
You're on. Right after Palais Strousberg, British Embassy in Berlin and Vault (architecture). -- Mcginnly | Natter 23:34, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Regarding your comments on my addition of Belton House to the category:1688 architecture. My understanding is that the architecture year categories are much the same as the book year categories or the album year categories - that is, they are for sorting by year all the works of architecture of sufficient notability to be included in Wikipedia, not just the most important ones. The article, as I read it, states that "Between 1685 and 1688 the young Sir John Brownlow and his wife had the present mansion built." The architecture year categories list buildings by year of completion, so I'm not sure what the problem is. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks! Christopher Busta-Peck | Talk 21:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Tawker 23:07, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
As I am obviously about to be banned by admins supporting Kelly Martin for daring to question her, I am signing off for the evening. Do people really want a member of the Arbcom who has this kind of following? Giano 23:39, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
No, I'm not despomdemt about it, thanks for comsoling me though and also for your edits there and at the review :-) It thought the PR went pretty well, though Bishonen said she would review it but never did - it's not too late Bishonen. I sent a few articles to GAC last month, never had before and knowing that they weren't quite FA, thought maybe they were GA. Oh well. When they are improved later they should go to FAC rather than GAC. Take a look at this it:Ville medicee, that list has a wealth of villas to translate, as many as all the chateaux. If you want to help you should, but save some for me, I'm sure you are faster. DVD+ R/W 14:04, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
You called it a "trap". Ignoring the assumption of bad faith issues, do you think it is a bad idea to not comment negatively on fellow candidates? I wasn't trying to trap anyone, merely give good advice. A lot of people took that advice, and are doing well because of it. Geogre has no one to blame but himself for assuming such bad faith of me that he ignored my reasonable advice (which was delivered to all 37 ArbCom candidates, it wasn't nearly just for him). Maybe it's time to get over old disagreements and start anew? -- Cyde Weys 23:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
PA is at FAR - no canned message, since you know the drill. Regards, Sandy ( Talk) 01:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Check your mail, sir. And thank you again, dare I say, my friend-- R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 16:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I appreciate your support, but have decided to withdraw from consideration for a position as an arbitrator. The community has overwhelming found me to be too controversial to hold that position. Thanks again for your support.-- MONGO 20:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks I may just drink it, and have a use for the empty bottle! Giano 22:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
You may know that I supported both Paul August and Geogre, just in the last few days, therefore I'm hoping you'll take this better from me than from someone else. I write this with the deepest respect for your excellent article contributions.
Cyde has the right to ask civil questions of candidates, even if they are inflammatory, even if they incite candidates to criticise each other. In fact, how a candidate reacts to an inflammatory question is an important judge of their suitability - they'll get much more heat than that as an arbcom member. Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2006/Candidate statements/Questions for Paul August#Another question from Cyde Weys is a tough, but perfectly legitimate question. Please don't remove it again. AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I have not and do not support Kelly Martin for Arbcom. I have never made any public--nor private--statements in support of her holding that position. I petitioned to have her removed last year, and I opposed her previous candidacy, and I endorsed the original RfC concerning her behaviour. I do not know who Elaragirl is and find her manner disgraceful. Just because I find fault with your position does not make me Kelly Martin's supporter. I think you'll find I've supported other candidates, several of whom you yourself have supported, and my conscience on that matter is quite clear. I have had nothing to do with the events of today, save asking an innocent question of clarification for which I was much abused. If you have proof that I've acted unethically, abused my position or abused the community's trust in any way, I demand that you bring this proof forward so that it might see the light of day. If you want my opinion, Kelly Martin brought most of her troubles upon herself, but she's hardly the only person who has done so. Good evening to you as well. I expect an answer. Mackensen (talk) 00:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi Giano!
Of course I've checked the history file. I rewrote the intro myself, months ago. It hhad been changged since then but the new information was not well integrated, which is what I have donne. I don't go around removing useful, pertinent information. What I do is edit it in. You may not immediately see what you have previously addded, but it will be there somewhere.
I have been reading about, writing about and teaching Art History for the past 50 years. There might be more competent editors in this field than I am, working on that page, bbut i hhave seen no signs of them! I am currently sitting at my computer surrounded by two thousand books, of which the majority of them are Art History. I am using seven of them to write ediit the current page. The previous editors have cited only one very general encyclopedia. I have that one to hand as well. How much expertise do you want?
-- Amandajm 14:12, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
With all your expertise, haven't you young men ever got anything nice to say? Your arrogance is astounding!
-- Amandajm 21:58, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hara kiri? (Or perhaps I should say seppuku...) -- ALoan (Talk) 22:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
I am sorry to hear that you are stressed. Don't let the buggers get you down. I was looking at the FARC from February - the "fact" has been added to the same point that was brought up then and was dismissed from a great height.
I have been busy in real life recently (see how my contributions are down) but I find writing short articles on obscure topics keeps my spirits up. You might enjoy that too?
Or perhaps a wikibreak would do you good? It is a good time of year to take a break - get some fresh air, and I'll hope to see you back in earnest in January. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
Hello again Giano. GeeJo has kindly nominated one of your articles for DYK. Many thanks again, Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 06:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
So WTS am I supposed to do with it now? It's too funny to delete!
-- Amandajm 23:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
My dear old thing! Perhaps Ted Dexter too? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:51, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
I respect your contributions, but I am unhappy with the position you state about voting. (IRC is a different matter entirely)
Pure "one man one vote" is typically non-optimal, and is strongly disempowering to all parties involved compared to consensus. That, and the final action of a consensus system would be to compromise on consensus itself.
That's why I feel so strongly that pure voting is evil, and must be fought off at all times and at all costs. I have staked my reputation and any of my resources on this at many times and in many places. It is integral to my contributions to the wikimedia foundation.
That's why I made a countercomment to your comment.
My apologies that we must clash. If you hadn't given the advice to have steward elections be a pure vote, I may well have not stated any opinions at all.
Kim Bruning 01:11, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
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