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Ok you can delete it now... I will add it later tonight again when I have more time Abdulnr 15:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! You can find the new conversation at The Village Pump (technical) Dave 17:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
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Quite right. I simply moved Ancient Macedonian from the intro paragraph to a bullet point without thinking. I think it is necessary to mention Ancient Macedonian somewhere, otherwise it will be added in the wrong place. Check my new wording. -- Macrakis 18:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Cactus.man ✍ 16:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, what does your username mean? -- Telex 20:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you think English would benifit from a spelling reform? Cameron Nedland 21:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Because you are both a linguist and someone who learned English as a second language and I thought your opinion would be very valid. Cameron Nedland 21:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Unlike Aldux (with unintelligent comments such as "crap"), you at least took the time to explain why you reverted the content I placed on the Illyrians article. For this, I thank you. Just so you know, reporting me to an administrator was kind of useless since I was on vacation when the block came into effect. Also, blocking contributors who nicely ask for constructive criticism and good reasons for revisions to be made is quite shameful. Of course, who cares what I say. The system is always right. Over and out. Deucalionite 14:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I just had an argument with another editor about synopses, at Dil Chahta Hai. Writing synopses is hard. I'm afraid, my friend, that I can't say I like your synopsis at Satanic Verses. That HUGE para! Unreadable. Paragraph with abandon, and assume that you're writing for someone with a one minute attention span. Zora 13:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC) (being harsh and critical, but, I hope, not mean)
Precisely because most non-Greeks think that all Greek dances are Syrtaki. ;) Seriously though, I kept it there because that's the one dance people might have heard of, and would click on to learn more. About the content deletions, they just sounded strange to me. Phrases like "his dance is strongly reminiscent of the 1821 era in Greek history" sounded strange, when the dance itself is centuries old. Also, if you look at the first edit (creating the article) it looks like a cut-and-paste copyright violation, possibly copied from a performance group's billet. On another note, I was wondering why you capitalize the names of the dances. Samba, ballet, salsa, swing, etc. are not capitalized. Just curious. -- F a ng Aili talk 23:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Just wanted to tell you I fully agree on your cutting down the "Hellenic controversy" section; it had simply got out of control. Ciao :-)-- Aldux 21:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Fut, and thank you for your comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again, and I will do all I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! + + Lar: t/ c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Did you invite him as well? You agree with this comment? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 00:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
The two you have named appear reasonable; I find Miskin's personal threats [3] somewhat less endearing . All I really want is to keep the Greek/FYROM quarrels out of ancient history. In Ancient Macedonia, it means an account of the Argead claim, which
In Macedonian Greeks, it means restricting the list to those who both
In the cases of Antipater and Seleucus I (and St. Cyril) the first requires a source; in the case of Michael the Paphlagonian, the second.
I expect to accept a compromise, as I have on Macedonian Greeks. Septentrionalis 15:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you check Slavic language (Greece) now after the latest amendments (I may have been subconsciously POV pushing without realizing it). -- Telex 22:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
File:Atlanticpuffin4.jpg | Hello Future Perfect at Sunrise. Thank you for your support at my request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. You can see me in action and observe what then happened as a result. If you need admin assistance, feel free to ask me. Naturally, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out. I look forward to working with you in the future, hopefully as an admin. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC) |
I do not think we can talk about "traditionally inhabited areas" since kurds have been nomadic people for centuries, if not millenias. The borders of this "traditionally inhabited areas" are too ambigious. Hence I propose you reconsider your vote. -- Cat out 11:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, three of those came up, check out the category Category:Cultural assimilation, both Bogdan and I have been working on filling it up. Regarding Swedishisation, I think maybe Swedisation or Swedification is more likely to be there "... in 1809. In the 1880s, however, a clear Swedisation policy was initiated... " — "... Already from the time of Bishop Landgren, when the Swedification policy was launched," — each gives a couple/few results in Google scholar. Anyway, we aren't just adding them willy-nilly, I check each time on JSTOR and Google scholar to make sure they are terms used in academia.
It is a shame that the Albanisation one got such a POV headache. The term seems to be used to mostly describe the process in Kosovo. - FrancisTyers · 23:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, he fixed it. Give the newbee a break, will you? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 16:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your concern and consideration. I will add back the templates since I think it's appropriate since the neutrality and factual accuracy of the article is disputed. -- Albanau 11:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:
Improvement of the <ref> function.
Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, please do what you feel is best, I will go along with it. My intention was/is to clarify why the tags warning about the article are there. Once we can locate the disagreement, then perhaps we can sensibly go about solving it. Also please see my material in talk. Politis 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi... I take it this was some kind of mistake? Jkelly 21:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
In reply to the message left on my user page:
Whoops! How embarrassing. Yes, it was a total mistake. This keeps happening to me, in fact, it happened when I was doing this edit; sometimes only half the article seems to load in the edit box, usually I check that it has loaded fully, but this time I forgot (and it hadn't). Thanks for noticing and reverting. -- Skoorb 12:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
....for the help in reverting vandalism. I greatly appreciate it. Regards, ImpuMozhi 19:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
What was the original external link of the copyVio text? talk to +MATIA 07:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Please explain your reasons for the revert. Tatra 08:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I assure you I had no intention of removing your comment at ANI. It was a mistake that won't happen again. I hope everything is back in place now? Kasreyn 11:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for the ANI intervention, and I'm glad something was done -- lets hope for atleast a little respite. But this troll is just unbelievably persistant. Regards, ImpuMozhi 13:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure. -- Macrakis 19:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
How about adding Greek et al you cryptopolyglot you! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
xil-1 | This user hopes he would manage ordering a beer in Illyrian, but isn't sure he would like the result. |
How about:
xmk-1 | This user knows how to say the truth: (οἱ Μακεδόνες Ἓλληνες εἰσί) and is proud doing so. |
-- Telex 22:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe better like this? Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
xmk-2 | This user could curse a rival in love if they were an ancient Macedonian, but wouldn't know what language he was doing it in. |
Better try: NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
could: xmk -4 |
This user could curse a rival in love if they were an ancient Macedonian, but is too politically correct to accept it. | ...since: grc -4 |
Why don't you try using the language box I have at my page? You can't get more politically correct than that. -- Telex 23:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, we may be needing your help. A few WP:LAME edit wars are brewing on articles like Komotini over the usage of the Turkish name. My position on the issue is at user talk:Hectorian#Κομοτηνή, but I'm sure you understand the sensitivities involved - the Greeks have been ethnically cleansed from Istanbul whereas the Turks in Greek Thrace have a better standard of living than those in Turkey. Some Greeks feel they're being ripped off! -- Telex 15:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future. Regards your question I'd say that probably Giacomo is uncorrect, because it is almost certainly a modernization of the name. As for Jacomo and Jacopo, I suspect them to be both correct, as they are clearly both archaic and both can be found in scholarship.-- Aldux 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
sorry about messing up the bibliographies, as I am a little inept on the intricacies of wikipedia..!
lsrt
Could you have a word with User:Mitsos about our edit war over at Minority groups in Greece. He keeps removing the (stubby) section on the Turkish minority, whose existence is a fact (unlike all the other groups whose existence is dubious). Of course, I wouldn't expect much from a user who used to have this on his userpage (probably as a joke). I admit though I may be experiencing a some WP:OWN issues on that article now, as I've spent a lot of time clearing up FrancisTyers's POV version ;-) -- Tēlex 11:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future. Actually, I do have some Byzantine history books (another one of Mango, Ostrogorsky, some Italian historians), but I need some time; I'm a lot behind on my watchlist schedule, and have to reach up a bit. For the moment, consider giving a look to these links J.B. Bury, Slavs - Britannica, and Bury's appendix to Gibbon on the Slavs in the Peloponnesus [5]. Hope they can be of some help. Bye, -- Aldux 16:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The paragraph on the discussion page, which all Turks will consider a personal attack, is not a comment, it is an insult, please don't continue reverting, it will direct the talk page to totally different dimensions, resulting in unwanted discussions. No one has the right to insult Turkish people by calling "The Father of Turks" a murderer. There's no good-faith in continuously adding an irrelevant and biased quote to the discussion page even several times after somebody took it as an offensive. Kertenkelebek (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey. you mentioned that you thought my article on Arbërisht should eb redirected to Arbëreshë, however I am myself Arbëresh and I think that my language ARBËRISHT should have a separate article, as it is the name of the language whereas ARBËRESHË is the (plural) name for my ethnic group. I have expanded on my original article but have gone to edit it today and yet again it is redirected to Arbereshe, this is an error! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djalo24 ( talk • contribs) 23 June, 18:51 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the accuracy of the Arvanitika and Arbërisht articles. Do you know what the difference between Arbërisht and Arbërishte is? Gender. Arbërisht / Shqip = the French Albanais, and Arbërishte / Shqipe = the French Albanaise. The articles seem to imply that Arbërishte can only be used for Arvanitika and that Arbërishte and Arbërisht can be used for Italian Albanian. -- Tēlex 21:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
aat-0 | This user couldn't even distinguish a male Arvanitic speaker from a female one. |
No, they are adjectives. The ethnonyms are as follows:
Personally, I prefer Arvanit as an ethnonym for the Arvanites, but that would be a neologism, as it's rarely used. In standard Albanian, Arbëror and Arbëresh are old fashioned terms for Albanians (like Romioi in Greek), whereas Arvanit refers specifically to the Arvanites of Greece. -- Tēlex 21:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW, that bablebox would be (I don't know how to say user, so I'll just use the first person):
aat-0 | Nuk flas Arbërisht. |
-- Tēlex 21:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi
By the way, I am a british born Arberesh (ie of Arberesh parents). I would love to discuss this tpoic with you guys. And, you are right, Arberishte refers to "Gluha Arberishte" because it agreees in gender with the feminine word for language "gluha." Arbereshe also refers to a female Italo-Albanian (for want of an english translation).
Thanks for the long message:) it was really enlightening! however, i cannot interstand some things... Istanbul fullfills all the creteria u mentioned, but the greek name has been erased tens of times... honestly, do u really believe that this happened cause it is mentioned somewhere else in the article (or in others, e.g. Istanbul (etymology)? why not remove the turkish names from the first line of the greek islands and place it somewhere else (complex situations about names can have many definitions...)? i, myself, removed the turkish name in some related articles, but did not ommite it from the article... i placed it somewhere else... u said that u would support the inclusion of Kos and of other islands. would u also support the inclusion in mentioning the greek name in the first line for the places in the Ionian coast, the Pontian coast, Cappadokia or the Marmara sea? anyway, i will not bother adding the greek name in Istanbul again... but i will not let the addition of the turkish name in Komotini to take place. maybe this is childish. or even better an eye for an eye (seems that i am not that good Christian:)...)-not the greek name in the capital of eastern thrace?->neither the turkish in the capital of the western... seems fair (according to geography, administative systems, history- Treaty of Lausanne, etc...). i have nothing to say against u, since u did not really bother me in the revert wars, nor your ideas differ a lot from mine: i would also support your 5 suggestions on when to include a placename in another language. but sadly, i begin to realize that some editors try not to hurt specific turkish 'sensitivities'... Regards -- Hectorian 00:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Clowns... everywhere :( Do a hack-job on the POV and then submit the page for protection, all the warring parties have been blocked for 24h. - FrancisTyers · 09:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Do you think you could help at Aromanians. The reason Greier's trolling Greece-related articles is because there's been an edit war there and he's been outnumbered. Do you think you could give some impartian insight so as to make the article more neutral so that everyone's happy. -- Tēlex 17:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Cactus.man ✍ 19:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I've re-added your contributions now. But I thought they were officialy known by their former names back then, right? I was just going for factualy accuracy, that's all. Let me know how is looks now. — Khoikhoi 19:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
This user knows how to say "Italians are crazy" in Old High German, but wouldn't want to be blocked for it.
I remember reading about the word for this in some linguistic book...but I can't remember! What is it?-- The ikiroid ( talk· desk· Advise me) 22:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
double click on Athens News article
I read your reply to Greier as to the Arvanite issue. We can all harbour delusions my friend but it is important to read (and to take heed) what competent observers of the Arvanites wrote after visiting them on the ground. And what they did wrote is that far from considering themselves Greek they could not even utter a word in Greek language. Hardly a sign of love towards the Greeks don't you agree?
DIANA FARR LOUIS
WHEN J. Theodore Bent and his wife travelled around the Cyclades in the 1880s, his impressions of Andros were coloured by the foul March weather and the prevalence of "obnoxious animalculae", aka fleas and bedbugs. Nevertheless, able to speak Greek, he enjoyed himself in the eastern half which he found almost paradisaical with its "delicious streams", fertile valleys and "lofty towers". Gavrion, the present port, was a different story. "Of all places in the world Gavrion is one of the most desolate... The inhabitants of Gavrion, too, struck us as morose, and not too hospitably inclined". He does admit, however, that part of the problem was his inability to communicate with them. These inhabitants spoke no Greek. Andros is alone among the Cyclades in having a large portion of its population of Albanian stock. They are the descendants of mercenaries brought in by the Venetians in the 15th century Apostolos Margaritis 09:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Now, it seems -in my humble opinion- that most of the Souliote action occured well before the Greek Revolution of 1820-1830's and the warfare had to do with Ali Pasha's intention to annex them to his state and not with the Souliotes' non-existent pan-Hellenic ideals. By 1803 they were quite kaput or extinct as Lear very well says Apostolos Margaritis 16:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the handy work of our latest sockpuppet Yakin ( talk · contribs)? What do you think we should do - I mean once you've reverted, he (Tatra) creats a new sockpuppet and starts over again and again. -- Tēlex 09:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a comment here and blocked the latest incarnation. - FrancisTyers · 13:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I love it! Part grammatical humor, part pun, all surrealism. Nice! Snoutwood (talk) 14:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC) <clear />
I am shocked and stunned by such abuse. I have written a note on User:Mackensen's discussion page and I have sent a note to User:Angr who is also a linguist. Other than that, I don't know how to proceed in order to initiate a deletion review. If you do, please let me know. More importantly, I believe a process should be put in place to review this kind of abuse, censure it, and punish those responsible. If indeed, as it seems, User:Mackensen has arrogated the power to do essentially what he pleases, in the face of the clear majority opinion, I submit he should be barred from the Wikipedia. Pasquale 18:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I contacted a bunch on admins on this and only one has responded thus far; he is putting the matter on deletion review. When it comes up, I hope that you will repeat the reasons you thought these articles should be kept. Golly, we have articles on every two-a-penny pokeman creature, but this is unencyclopedic? Carlossuarez46 19:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Danke fuer deinen Rajput-Einsatz. Der Typ ist ja wirklich unglaublich :) dab (ᛏ) 09:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Just in case you disagree... Noticing your comment in Telex talk, I took the liberty of creating a redirect for User:FPaS and the relative talk. :NikoSilver: 10:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Rajput/Archive21#A useful list. -- Tēlex 10:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Now it does! :-) :NikoSilver: 11:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
LOL....a template in honour of our esteemed friend! What is the world coming to! It is certainly serviceable, and I shall use it, but y'know what, I really detest the situation and am mortified at the recent escalation and I wish it would just end. The removal of that horrendous user, utterly intractible, adamant, incapable of NPOV, is certainly a blessing, and I tried sincerely to reason with him for a prolonged period, but I wish everything had been otherwise. In the case as it turned out, I am very glad to have your support, and I thank you sincerely for it. Regards, ImpuMozhi 14:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future, regards the request you made me some time ago regards the Sclaveni, I've found some time and read what Ostrogorsky had to say on the argument. But there are some problems; 1) the title: Sclaveni is not an OK transliteration of Σκλαβήνοι, for the reasons you know better than me, even as a latinized form, and Latin sources seem to use not Sclaveni, maybe the article should be renamed Sclaueni, among the Latin names used, and a latinization of Σκλαυήνοι. 2) when should this article start? and more important, when should it end? 3) how can we prevent it from overlapping with Slavic peoples? Thesee are some difficulties. -- Aldux 22:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you see Talk:Greeks, on whether to add the sub-Saharan origins theory? My motto is always tell the reader something they could easily find out any other way, and present it in its true (NPOV) fashion (unlike the way it is presented in .mk websites). -- Tēlex 14:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but i do not think there will be need for references:). Tsakonic is undoubtably coming from Doric. as far as the Griko is concerned, according to what i know, it has preserved doric elements, but not to an extend to be considered descending from doric greek. other modern greek dialects have also preserved ancient greek non-attik elements (e.g. Cretan from Doric and Thessalian from Aeolian). u do know much about the greek language! -- Hectorian 17:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the latest developments at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ImpuMozhi. -- Tēlex 17:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
If you have a moment, consider looking at bharatveer ( talk · contribs), esp. Talk:Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system, I have to run. dab (ᛏ) 17:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
just returned from a rather long absence! thx for letting me know about embirikos- to my understanding the problem is now solved. in any case, i want to make some improvements to the article.-- Greece666 01:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What's your problem? — Sshadow 08:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi FPS. I want to make clear that I also hate those revert wars. But some guys like you leave me no choice. Please explain to me why do you keep adding the Turkish name on places that have no Turkish population whatsoever and have little or no imprortance to Turkish people. You might say that this is due to Historical reasons, beeing occupied for like 400 years. OK agreed. But nearly ALL Greek cities were occupied for like 400 years, do we need to add Turkish names there too? Many other cities around the world were occupied by various civilizations on various times, do we need to add all names there too? Tell me FPS how is Simi or Kalimnos or Samothrace significant to Turkish people? Now lets say you REALLY want to add it for your own strange reasons..well do it in the text content just like in Istanbul article. By the way I dont see the same attitude by you in Istanbul article. Why not add the Greek name AT THE TOP of the article? I will absolutely not tolerate this situation.Regards. Mywayyy 11:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What exactly is the problem with the article? I know it had a grave error - the Suliotes were not Arvanites. -- Tēlex 22:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
to my understanding, the debate is about the origins of souliotes. all i found is an entry in an encyclopedia, but its written by a well-known historian (Vasilis Sfyroeras). I quote: "it is not known when the first settlements were created in the mountaneous and isolated area if Suli, but most researchers, both Greeks and foreigners, agree that the first settlers came in the 16th century. The first inhabitants came from south albania and nearby lowland areas and formed 4 villages"(Πάπυρος-Larousse-Britannica, vol. 54, p. 414, entry Souli, Athens: Πάπυρος, 1993.) Tommorow i ll search for other sources, but im not sure i ll find sthg. (feel free to use the above quotation if you think its useful).-- Greece666 23:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I've given him a final warning, let me know if he does it again. - FrancisTyers · 09:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
BTW have you seen my comment at Talk:Greek Muslim minority. -- Tēlex 15:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
You are listed in the linguist by profession category. Would you please look at the discussion at Talk:Caron? It has been suggested that professional opinions are required to resolve the dispute there.
Hi, do you think you could help with a sockpuppet problem we seem to be having. A user I believe is User:Amacos has been conducting a sockpuppet edit war with anon IPs. Some affected articles are Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov and Jane Sandanski. Is this thing allowed, or is the kind of thing people get away with, in which case I should make a sock army as well? If it's the kind of thing winners do, why not? -- Tēlex 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future, could you help me with Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia? A pro-Albanian newbie, User:Objectivee, has just emerged and is attempting to force through his POV, without presenting a single source. Could you try tackling him?-- Aldux 22:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
My brother in conjugation! How I envy you! My future is what's here-and-now; yours, however, is perfect! Thanks for the hello, and please don't hesitate to help me "perfect" my work here on Wikipedia as I see you have quite a bit more experience than I do. FuturePresent 00:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Whose manifesto? The only manifesto I can think of is that of Vinozhito, which want's to recognize Arvanitic as a minority language. I'll check Biris though - I think he does have some interesting statistics, not just in Athens, but in other cities. -- Tēlex 11:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
About Biris, it's not that good and it's mostly guesswork. According to Johann Georg von Hahn, Albanesische Studien, Jena 1854, p VI (quoted by Biris), there were 173,000 Aranites in Greece, which he later admitted was incorrect, because he said that there were Arvanites in Σπερχειό and Φωκίδα, and there really aren't any. With those subsequent corrections, his estimates are as follows:
Arvanites in Greece (1854) | |
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30,000 | Attica, Μεγαρίδα and Salamis (but excluding Athens, Piraeus and Megara) |
25,000 | Boeotia |
6,000 | Southern Euboea (excluding Κάρυστος) |
25,000 | Argolis and Poros |
15,000 | Corinthia and Achaea |
10,000 | (?) Southern Arcadia (Laconia) |
12,000 | Hydra |
10,000 | Spetses |
Apparently, according to Hahn, there were no Arvanites in Athens (!) so Biris treats his estimates with extreme caution and refutes some of them, and arrives at the conclusion that the population of Arvanites was really 120,000. According to Pouqeville, Voyage de la Grèce, 1827, V, p. 122, there were 15,000 Christians in Attica excluding Athens out of whom "most" were Arvanites (he probably used the word "Albanians"). What I'm trying to say is that that chapter is full of speculations and does not really give a quotable estimate on the actual figures. -- Tēlex 11:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 21:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you believe this? ImpuMozhi 12:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
... check your e-mail. -- Tēlex 18:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
that is actually good news, because the sophistication will force the community (in extremo, the developers) to clamp down on the case. Please post this on WP:AN/I. dab (ᛏ) 21:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the {{ prod}} tag from Peloponnesians (Greek), which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{ prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{ prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- ais523 12:45, 13 July 2006 ( U T C)
Re Macedonia terminology. Perhpas you have an incomplete picture (or is it me?). Francis gave another reference believing it contradicted my own. But in fact it concurred with mine and I am most greateful to him. So: we have the 'earliest official' reference from Greek sources quoting Yugoslav and from Bulgarian. That makes 2 certain sources (Greek and Bulgarian) and one highle probable (Yugoslav). If there is anything I am missing, always greateful to be informed, meanwhile, happy readings. Politis 16:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Long day? I know the feeling. The date is 1945, not 1944; that is why I said that we both concur. You do not have the book, I presume, hence some of your comments are not quite apposite. The Greek source is just a FOOTNOTE on page 47. It reads, 'Δια του νέου όρου 'Μακεδονία του Αιγαίου' οι Γιουγκοσλαύοι ενοούν την Ελληνικήν Μακεδονίαν'. As I said, WE CONCUR, in other words, both our finding give us 1945. Politis 16:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your note on the talk page, I don't think I should respond to the racism allegation, and I'm glad that what I'm saying isn't falling on deaf ears :) In case you didn't have time to read the talk page, I have no problem with including the source, what I have a problem with is accepting that when the Greek government says "this is the first recorded use" we should believe them. Especially considering it was at the height of a war published by the Greek government in a book called "Designs on Greece", I think if this was any other government (e.g. replace Greek with Turkish there) they would be having none of it. - FrancisTyers · 17:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
They? Who is they? Have you seen my pieces on Cyprus. I was accused of not being Greek. Please, take a breath Francis, you are not making things better. And where did you read, "this is the first recorded use"? your quotes, your text. Thank you. I am keeping a copy of all this to re-examine in a cooler atmosphere and assess the situation. Politis 18:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I see, the quotation marks were decorative? That does not hold water, in the media, in academia or between people versed in the format of scholarly exchanges. Sorry, I am a bit out at sea on this one, what insiniution? Politis 18:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
About Elliniki Radiophonia Tileorasi. Shouldn't the Radiophonia be Radiofonia? No one in Greece uses ph for φ. It looks pretentious. -- Tēlex 18:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking if you want pretentious Erasmian tranliterations, transliterate it Hellênikê Rhadiophonia Têleorasê. -- Tēlex 18:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
BTW you should have let Aldux move it :-) -- Tēlex 18:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
What is your opinion on this edit [8]. Deleting sourced info and reverting to a version full of {facts}. Even his latest version was totally unsourced. -- Tēlex 21:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, could I get your (very brief) comments on Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)#Please give me a good reason. The journal looks reasonably reputable, but the claims are outlandish, not to mention Macedonians were involved in writing the paper. Smells fishy to me. - FrancisTyers · 09:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Text added in demographics and linguistics. Please comment. :NikoSilver: 12:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
You have email. Politis 14:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
There was one Irish speaker, AFAICT, who opposed my adminship. lol. What is the plural form? And your user page led me to Kassel conversations - how amusing. -- Chris S. 18:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that correction. Republic of Macedonia been changed so many times I think I'm forgetting what the correct one is. Vegaswikian 05:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future Perfect. I'm afraid I was in the middle of exams a few weeks ago and I didn't thank you properly for a very nice message you left on my talk page. Thank you. Anyway thought you should see what I've just been reverting, [9] and [10] and quite a bit more. Looking at the page history you seem to more about this person than I do and probably know which admins were involved. As you can see he has a couple more IP addresses now. Best. -- Lo2u 14:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the sockpuppet mixup abakharev 08:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you think you could give your opinion at User talk:FrancisTyers#The language, and maybe consider archiving your talk page. -- Tēlex 10:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Not German, an UndutchableGreeklitalmaffiozo (and this only to start with). ( Haas K. D. 15:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC))
So when people ask you where from, you say "lots of different places". Has a ring to it!!
Now let me ask you...
The second part of opening phrase does seem to make sense.
The Macedonians today live in the Republic of Macedonia; there are minority communities in Greek Macedonia with their own dialect and history but where the overwhelming majority consists of Greeks (who are also known as Macedonians in the region), as well as in Albania and Bulgaria.
What kind of minority communities axist in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania??? Are their ehtnic, linquistic, cultural, religious, large , small? Does the overwhelming majority of the community members consist of Greeks?(they actuall do) Or do they consider themselves something else in contradiction to Greeks. And what does the poet mean by sayin "as well as in Albania and Bulgaria". Do all these apply there also? I am sure the Greeks wouls be happy to here that! And what is this different history... Saying something like that should require some refferences to back you up!!!!
Am i not entitle to change this passage?
Seems not.As for the ancient period paragraph. It is quite misleading since it does not refer to ancient times at all. Propably should exclude all the passage from text.
It seems that certain people are quite satisfied with their wotk and do not accept comments and corrections (but if this is the case they should not write here, really)
It is indeed a controversial article and i had to be more carefull at the beggining. It is also a very amusing one to follow up, from its creation to the seemingly result. Is like drafting a treaty between hostal tribes. The fact that large parts of the outcome derive from original contributions with very clear, highly nationalistic positions for the one (mostly) and the other side is absolutely charming.
This article has flaws and can be improved. The fact that is controversial should not be considered a problem and a taboo. There is no thing like status quo ante in wiki as far as i know. In any case my alterations reffer to comonly accepted facts undisputed by all sides.
I will sincerely continue keeping you company in your efforts.
Thanx Haas
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Ok you can delete it now... I will add it later tonight again when I have more time Abdulnr 15:48, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up! You can find the new conversation at The Village Pump (technical) Dave 17:03, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
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Quite right. I simply moved Ancient Macedonian from the intro paragraph to a bullet point without thinking. I think it is necessary to mention Ancient Macedonian somewhere, otherwise it will be added in the wrong place. Check my new wording. -- Macrakis 18:51, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
-- Cactus.man ✍ 16:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi, what does your username mean? -- Telex 20:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Do you think English would benifit from a spelling reform? Cameron Nedland 21:34, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Because you are both a linguist and someone who learned English as a second language and I thought your opinion would be very valid. Cameron Nedland 21:24, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Unlike Aldux (with unintelligent comments such as "crap"), you at least took the time to explain why you reverted the content I placed on the Illyrians article. For this, I thank you. Just so you know, reporting me to an administrator was kind of useless since I was on vacation when the block came into effect. Also, blocking contributors who nicely ask for constructive criticism and good reasons for revisions to be made is quite shameful. Of course, who cares what I say. The system is always right. Over and out. Deucalionite 14:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I just had an argument with another editor about synopses, at Dil Chahta Hai. Writing synopses is hard. I'm afraid, my friend, that I can't say I like your synopsis at Satanic Verses. That HUGE para! Unreadable. Paragraph with abandon, and assume that you're writing for someone with a one minute attention span. Zora 13:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC) (being harsh and critical, but, I hope, not mean)
Precisely because most non-Greeks think that all Greek dances are Syrtaki. ;) Seriously though, I kept it there because that's the one dance people might have heard of, and would click on to learn more. About the content deletions, they just sounded strange to me. Phrases like "his dance is strongly reminiscent of the 1821 era in Greek history" sounded strange, when the dance itself is centuries old. Also, if you look at the first edit (creating the article) it looks like a cut-and-paste copyright violation, possibly copied from a performance group's billet. On another note, I was wondering why you capitalize the names of the dances. Samba, ballet, salsa, swing, etc. are not capitalized. Just curious. -- F a ng Aili talk 23:22, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
Hi! Just wanted to tell you I fully agree on your cutting down the "Hellenic controversy" section; it had simply got out of control. Ciao :-)-- Aldux 21:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
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Hi Fut, and thank you for your comments in my request for adminship! With a final tally of (109/5/1), I have been entrusted with adminship. It's been several weeks since the conclusion of the process, so hopefully you've had a chance to see me in action. Please let me know what you think! Thanks again, and I will do all I can to justify the trust you've placed in me! + + Lar: t/ c 03:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC) |
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Did you invite him as well? You agree with this comment? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 00:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
The two you have named appear reasonable; I find Miskin's personal threats [3] somewhat less endearing . All I really want is to keep the Greek/FYROM quarrels out of ancient history. In Ancient Macedonia, it means an account of the Argead claim, which
In Macedonian Greeks, it means restricting the list to those who both
In the cases of Antipater and Seleucus I (and St. Cyril) the first requires a source; in the case of Michael the Paphlagonian, the second.
I expect to accept a compromise, as I have on Macedonian Greeks. Septentrionalis 15:04, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Could you check Slavic language (Greece) now after the latest amendments (I may have been subconsciously POV pushing without realizing it). -- Telex 22:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
File:Atlanticpuffin4.jpg | Hello Future Perfect at Sunrise. Thank you for your support at my request for adminship which ended at the overwhelming and flattering result of (160/1/0), and leaves me in a position of having to live up to a high standard of community expectation. You can see me in action and observe what then happened as a result. If you need admin assistance, feel free to ask me. Naturally, if I make any procedural mistakes, feel free to point them out. I look forward to working with you in the future, hopefully as an admin. Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 02:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC) |
I do not think we can talk about "traditionally inhabited areas" since kurds have been nomadic people for centuries, if not millenias. The borders of this "traditionally inhabited areas" are too ambigious. Hence I propose you reconsider your vote. -- Cat out 11:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
As you can see, three of those came up, check out the category Category:Cultural assimilation, both Bogdan and I have been working on filling it up. Regarding Swedishisation, I think maybe Swedisation or Swedification is more likely to be there "... in 1809. In the 1880s, however, a clear Swedisation policy was initiated... " — "... Already from the time of Bishop Landgren, when the Swedification policy was launched," — each gives a couple/few results in Google scholar. Anyway, we aren't just adding them willy-nilly, I check each time on JSTOR and Google scholar to make sure they are terms used in academia.
It is a shame that the Albanisation one got such a POV headache. The term seems to be used to mostly describe the process in Kosovo. - FrancisTyers · 23:49, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey, he fixed it. Give the newbee a break, will you? NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 16:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for your concern and consideration. I will add back the templates since I think it's appropriate since the neutrality and factual accuracy of the article is disputed. -- Albanau 11:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
No, no, no, not what you think! This time is for something that all of us need:
Improvement of the <ref> function.
Please weigh in at Wikipedia talk:Footnotes#Poll! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for the message, please do what you feel is best, I will go along with it. My intention was/is to clarify why the tags warning about the article are there. Once we can locate the disagreement, then perhaps we can sensibly go about solving it. Also please see my material in talk. Politis 15:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi... I take it this was some kind of mistake? Jkelly 21:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
In reply to the message left on my user page:
Whoops! How embarrassing. Yes, it was a total mistake. This keeps happening to me, in fact, it happened when I was doing this edit; sometimes only half the article seems to load in the edit box, usually I check that it has loaded fully, but this time I forgot (and it hadn't). Thanks for noticing and reverting. -- Skoorb 12:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
....for the help in reverting vandalism. I greatly appreciate it. Regards, ImpuMozhi 19:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
What was the original external link of the copyVio text? talk to +MATIA 07:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Please explain your reasons for the revert. Tatra 08:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I assure you I had no intention of removing your comment at ANI. It was a mistake that won't happen again. I hope everything is back in place now? Kasreyn 11:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Thanx for the ANI intervention, and I'm glad something was done -- lets hope for atleast a little respite. But this troll is just unbelievably persistant. Regards, ImpuMozhi 13:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Sure. -- Macrakis 19:36, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
How about adding Greek et al you cryptopolyglot you! NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 21:49, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
xil-1 | This user hopes he would manage ordering a beer in Illyrian, but isn't sure he would like the result. |
How about:
xmk-1 | This user knows how to say the truth: (οἱ Μακεδόνες Ἓλληνες εἰσί) and is proud doing so. |
-- Telex 22:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Maybe better like this? Fut.Perf. ☼ 22:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
xmk-2 | This user could curse a rival in love if they were an ancient Macedonian, but wouldn't know what language he was doing it in. |
Better try: NikoSilver (T) @ (C) 23:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
could: xmk -4 |
This user could curse a rival in love if they were an ancient Macedonian, but is too politically correct to accept it. | ...since: grc -4 |
Why don't you try using the language box I have at my page? You can't get more politically correct than that. -- Telex 23:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, we may be needing your help. A few WP:LAME edit wars are brewing on articles like Komotini over the usage of the Turkish name. My position on the issue is at user talk:Hectorian#Κομοτηνή, but I'm sure you understand the sensitivities involved - the Greeks have been ethnically cleansed from Istanbul whereas the Turks in Greek Thrace have a better standard of living than those in Turkey. Some Greeks feel they're being ripped off! -- Telex 15:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future. Regards your question I'd say that probably Giacomo is uncorrect, because it is almost certainly a modernization of the name. As for Jacomo and Jacopo, I suspect them to be both correct, as they are clearly both archaic and both can be found in scholarship.-- Aldux 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
sorry about messing up the bibliographies, as I am a little inept on the intricacies of wikipedia..!
lsrt
Could you have a word with User:Mitsos about our edit war over at Minority groups in Greece. He keeps removing the (stubby) section on the Turkish minority, whose existence is a fact (unlike all the other groups whose existence is dubious). Of course, I wouldn't expect much from a user who used to have this on his userpage (probably as a joke). I admit though I may be experiencing a some WP:OWN issues on that article now, as I've spent a lot of time clearing up FrancisTyers's POV version ;-) -- Tēlex 11:28, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future. Actually, I do have some Byzantine history books (another one of Mango, Ostrogorsky, some Italian historians), but I need some time; I'm a lot behind on my watchlist schedule, and have to reach up a bit. For the moment, consider giving a look to these links J.B. Bury, Slavs - Britannica, and Bury's appendix to Gibbon on the Slavs in the Peloponnesus [5]. Hope they can be of some help. Bye, -- Aldux 16:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
The paragraph on the discussion page, which all Turks will consider a personal attack, is not a comment, it is an insult, please don't continue reverting, it will direct the talk page to totally different dimensions, resulting in unwanted discussions. No one has the right to insult Turkish people by calling "The Father of Turks" a murderer. There's no good-faith in continuously adding an irrelevant and biased quote to the discussion page even several times after somebody took it as an offensive. Kertenkelebek (talk) 12:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hey. you mentioned that you thought my article on Arbërisht should eb redirected to Arbëreshë, however I am myself Arbëresh and I think that my language ARBËRISHT should have a separate article, as it is the name of the language whereas ARBËRESHË is the (plural) name for my ethnic group. I have expanded on my original article but have gone to edit it today and yet again it is redirected to Arbereshe, this is an error! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Djalo24 ( talk • contribs) 23 June, 18:51 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the accuracy of the Arvanitika and Arbërisht articles. Do you know what the difference between Arbërisht and Arbërishte is? Gender. Arbërisht / Shqip = the French Albanais, and Arbërishte / Shqipe = the French Albanaise. The articles seem to imply that Arbërishte can only be used for Arvanitika and that Arbërishte and Arbërisht can be used for Italian Albanian. -- Tēlex 21:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
aat-0 | This user couldn't even distinguish a male Arvanitic speaker from a female one. |
No, they are adjectives. The ethnonyms are as follows:
Personally, I prefer Arvanit as an ethnonym for the Arvanites, but that would be a neologism, as it's rarely used. In standard Albanian, Arbëror and Arbëresh are old fashioned terms for Albanians (like Romioi in Greek), whereas Arvanit refers specifically to the Arvanites of Greece. -- Tēlex 21:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
BTW, that bablebox would be (I don't know how to say user, so I'll just use the first person):
aat-0 | Nuk flas Arbërisht. |
-- Tēlex 21:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi
By the way, I am a british born Arberesh (ie of Arberesh parents). I would love to discuss this tpoic with you guys. And, you are right, Arberishte refers to "Gluha Arberishte" because it agreees in gender with the feminine word for language "gluha." Arbereshe also refers to a female Italo-Albanian (for want of an english translation).
Thanks for the long message:) it was really enlightening! however, i cannot interstand some things... Istanbul fullfills all the creteria u mentioned, but the greek name has been erased tens of times... honestly, do u really believe that this happened cause it is mentioned somewhere else in the article (or in others, e.g. Istanbul (etymology)? why not remove the turkish names from the first line of the greek islands and place it somewhere else (complex situations about names can have many definitions...)? i, myself, removed the turkish name in some related articles, but did not ommite it from the article... i placed it somewhere else... u said that u would support the inclusion of Kos and of other islands. would u also support the inclusion in mentioning the greek name in the first line for the places in the Ionian coast, the Pontian coast, Cappadokia or the Marmara sea? anyway, i will not bother adding the greek name in Istanbul again... but i will not let the addition of the turkish name in Komotini to take place. maybe this is childish. or even better an eye for an eye (seems that i am not that good Christian:)...)-not the greek name in the capital of eastern thrace?->neither the turkish in the capital of the western... seems fair (according to geography, administative systems, history- Treaty of Lausanne, etc...). i have nothing to say against u, since u did not really bother me in the revert wars, nor your ideas differ a lot from mine: i would also support your 5 suggestions on when to include a placename in another language. but sadly, i begin to realize that some editors try not to hurt specific turkish 'sensitivities'... Regards -- Hectorian 00:32, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Clowns... everywhere :( Do a hack-job on the POV and then submit the page for protection, all the warring parties have been blocked for 24h. - FrancisTyers · 09:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Do you think you could help at Aromanians. The reason Greier's trolling Greece-related articles is because there's been an edit war there and he's been outnumbered. Do you think you could give some impartian insight so as to make the article more neutral so that everyone's happy. -- Tēlex 17:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
-- Cactus.man ✍ 19:04, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I've re-added your contributions now. But I thought they were officialy known by their former names back then, right? I was just going for factualy accuracy, that's all. Let me know how is looks now. — Khoikhoi 19:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
This user knows how to say "Italians are crazy" in Old High German, but wouldn't want to be blocked for it.
I remember reading about the word for this in some linguistic book...but I can't remember! What is it?-- The ikiroid ( talk· desk· Advise me) 22:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
double click on Athens News article
I read your reply to Greier as to the Arvanite issue. We can all harbour delusions my friend but it is important to read (and to take heed) what competent observers of the Arvanites wrote after visiting them on the ground. And what they did wrote is that far from considering themselves Greek they could not even utter a word in Greek language. Hardly a sign of love towards the Greeks don't you agree?
DIANA FARR LOUIS
WHEN J. Theodore Bent and his wife travelled around the Cyclades in the 1880s, his impressions of Andros were coloured by the foul March weather and the prevalence of "obnoxious animalculae", aka fleas and bedbugs. Nevertheless, able to speak Greek, he enjoyed himself in the eastern half which he found almost paradisaical with its "delicious streams", fertile valleys and "lofty towers". Gavrion, the present port, was a different story. "Of all places in the world Gavrion is one of the most desolate... The inhabitants of Gavrion, too, struck us as morose, and not too hospitably inclined". He does admit, however, that part of the problem was his inability to communicate with them. These inhabitants spoke no Greek. Andros is alone among the Cyclades in having a large portion of its population of Albanian stock. They are the descendants of mercenaries brought in by the Venetians in the 15th century Apostolos Margaritis 09:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Now, it seems -in my humble opinion- that most of the Souliote action occured well before the Greek Revolution of 1820-1830's and the warfare had to do with Ali Pasha's intention to annex them to his state and not with the Souliotes' non-existent pan-Hellenic ideals. By 1803 they were quite kaput or extinct as Lear very well says Apostolos Margaritis 16:13, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the handy work of our latest sockpuppet Yakin ( talk · contribs)? What do you think we should do - I mean once you've reverted, he (Tatra) creats a new sockpuppet and starts over again and again. -- Tēlex 09:32, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I've posted a comment here and blocked the latest incarnation. - FrancisTyers · 13:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
I love it! Part grammatical humor, part pun, all surrealism. Nice! Snoutwood (talk) 14:58, 27 June 2006 (UTC) <clear />
I am shocked and stunned by such abuse. I have written a note on User:Mackensen's discussion page and I have sent a note to User:Angr who is also a linguist. Other than that, I don't know how to proceed in order to initiate a deletion review. If you do, please let me know. More importantly, I believe a process should be put in place to review this kind of abuse, censure it, and punish those responsible. If indeed, as it seems, User:Mackensen has arrogated the power to do essentially what he pleases, in the face of the clear majority opinion, I submit he should be barred from the Wikipedia. Pasquale 18:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I contacted a bunch on admins on this and only one has responded thus far; he is putting the matter on deletion review. When it comes up, I hope that you will repeat the reasons you thought these articles should be kept. Golly, we have articles on every two-a-penny pokeman creature, but this is unencyclopedic? Carlossuarez46 19:24, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
Danke fuer deinen Rajput-Einsatz. Der Typ ist ja wirklich unglaublich :) dab (ᛏ) 09:23, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Just in case you disagree... Noticing your comment in Telex talk, I took the liberty of creating a redirect for User:FPaS and the relative talk. :NikoSilver: 10:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Rajput/Archive21#A useful list. -- Tēlex 10:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Now it does! :-) :NikoSilver: 11:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
LOL....a template in honour of our esteemed friend! What is the world coming to! It is certainly serviceable, and I shall use it, but y'know what, I really detest the situation and am mortified at the recent escalation and I wish it would just end. The removal of that horrendous user, utterly intractible, adamant, incapable of NPOV, is certainly a blessing, and I tried sincerely to reason with him for a prolonged period, but I wish everything had been otherwise. In the case as it turned out, I am very glad to have your support, and I thank you sincerely for it. Regards, ImpuMozhi 14:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future, regards the request you made me some time ago regards the Sclaveni, I've found some time and read what Ostrogorsky had to say on the argument. But there are some problems; 1) the title: Sclaveni is not an OK transliteration of Σκλαβήνοι, for the reasons you know better than me, even as a latinized form, and Latin sources seem to use not Sclaveni, maybe the article should be renamed Sclaueni, among the Latin names used, and a latinization of Σκλαυήνοι. 2) when should this article start? and more important, when should it end? 3) how can we prevent it from overlapping with Slavic peoples? Thesee are some difficulties. -- Aldux 22:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Hi, could you see Talk:Greeks, on whether to add the sub-Saharan origins theory? My motto is always tell the reader something they could easily find out any other way, and present it in its true (NPOV) fashion (unlike the way it is presented in .mk websites). -- Tēlex 14:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but i do not think there will be need for references:). Tsakonic is undoubtably coming from Doric. as far as the Griko is concerned, according to what i know, it has preserved doric elements, but not to an extend to be considered descending from doric greek. other modern greek dialects have also preserved ancient greek non-attik elements (e.g. Cretan from Doric and Thessalian from Aeolian). u do know much about the greek language! -- Hectorian 17:51, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Have you seen the latest developments at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/ImpuMozhi. -- Tēlex 17:11, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
If you have a moment, consider looking at bharatveer ( talk · contribs), esp. Talk:Hindu-Arabic_numeral_system, I have to run. dab (ᛏ) 17:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
just returned from a rather long absence! thx for letting me know about embirikos- to my understanding the problem is now solved. in any case, i want to make some improvements to the article.-- Greece666 01:55, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What's your problem? — Sshadow 08:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi FPS. I want to make clear that I also hate those revert wars. But some guys like you leave me no choice. Please explain to me why do you keep adding the Turkish name on places that have no Turkish population whatsoever and have little or no imprortance to Turkish people. You might say that this is due to Historical reasons, beeing occupied for like 400 years. OK agreed. But nearly ALL Greek cities were occupied for like 400 years, do we need to add Turkish names there too? Many other cities around the world were occupied by various civilizations on various times, do we need to add all names there too? Tell me FPS how is Simi or Kalimnos or Samothrace significant to Turkish people? Now lets say you REALLY want to add it for your own strange reasons..well do it in the text content just like in Istanbul article. By the way I dont see the same attitude by you in Istanbul article. Why not add the Greek name AT THE TOP of the article? I will absolutely not tolerate this situation.Regards. Mywayyy 11:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
What exactly is the problem with the article? I know it had a grave error - the Suliotes were not Arvanites. -- Tēlex 22:29, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
to my understanding, the debate is about the origins of souliotes. all i found is an entry in an encyclopedia, but its written by a well-known historian (Vasilis Sfyroeras). I quote: "it is not known when the first settlements were created in the mountaneous and isolated area if Suli, but most researchers, both Greeks and foreigners, agree that the first settlers came in the 16th century. The first inhabitants came from south albania and nearby lowland areas and formed 4 villages"(Πάπυρος-Larousse-Britannica, vol. 54, p. 414, entry Souli, Athens: Πάπυρος, 1993.) Tommorow i ll search for other sources, but im not sure i ll find sthg. (feel free to use the above quotation if you think its useful).-- Greece666 23:17, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
I've given him a final warning, let me know if he does it again. - FrancisTyers · 09:05, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
BTW have you seen my comment at Talk:Greek Muslim minority. -- Tēlex 15:45, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
You are listed in the linguist by profession category. Would you please look at the discussion at Talk:Caron? It has been suggested that professional opinions are required to resolve the dispute there.
Hi, do you think you could help with a sockpuppet problem we seem to be having. A user I believe is User:Amacos has been conducting a sockpuppet edit war with anon IPs. Some affected articles are Dame Gruev, Gjorche Petrov and Jane Sandanski. Is this thing allowed, or is the kind of thing people get away with, in which case I should make a sock army as well? If it's the kind of thing winners do, why not? -- Tēlex 07:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future, could you help me with Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia? A pro-Albanian newbie, User:Objectivee, has just emerged and is attempting to force through his POV, without presenting a single source. Could you try tackling him?-- Aldux 22:08, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
My brother in conjugation! How I envy you! My future is what's here-and-now; yours, however, is perfect! Thanks for the hello, and please don't hesitate to help me "perfect" my work here on Wikipedia as I see you have quite a bit more experience than I do. FuturePresent 00:18, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I haven't a clue what you're talking about. Whose manifesto? The only manifesto I can think of is that of Vinozhito, which want's to recognize Arvanitic as a minority language. I'll check Biris though - I think he does have some interesting statistics, not just in Athens, but in other cities. -- Tēlex 11:08, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
About Biris, it's not that good and it's mostly guesswork. According to Johann Georg von Hahn, Albanesische Studien, Jena 1854, p VI (quoted by Biris), there were 173,000 Aranites in Greece, which he later admitted was incorrect, because he said that there were Arvanites in Σπερχειό and Φωκίδα, and there really aren't any. With those subsequent corrections, his estimates are as follows:
Arvanites in Greece (1854) | |
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30,000 | Attica, Μεγαρίδα and Salamis (but excluding Athens, Piraeus and Megara) |
25,000 | Boeotia |
6,000 | Southern Euboea (excluding Κάρυστος) |
25,000 | Argolis and Poros |
15,000 | Corinthia and Achaea |
10,000 | (?) Southern Arcadia (Laconia) |
12,000 | Hydra |
10,000 | Spetses |
Apparently, according to Hahn, there were no Arvanites in Athens (!) so Biris treats his estimates with extreme caution and refutes some of them, and arrives at the conclusion that the population of Arvanites was really 120,000. According to Pouqeville, Voyage de la Grèce, 1827, V, p. 122, there were 15,000 Christians in Attica excluding Athens out of whom "most" were Arvanites (he probably used the word "Albanians"). What I'm trying to say is that that chapter is full of speculations and does not really give a quotable estimate on the actual figures. -- Tēlex 11:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi. There's a debate about how much "X-ian" one must be in order to be considered "X-American" (or X-Yian for that matter) and be categorized as such. The poll is here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethnic groups/Rules for lists of X-Americans. Kindly weigh in! :NikoSilver: 21:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, that'll be the first article we're not bitching too much about! :-) :NikoSilver: 22:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
Can you believe this? ImpuMozhi 12:54, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
... check your e-mail. -- Tēlex 18:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
that is actually good news, because the sophistication will force the community (in extremo, the developers) to clamp down on the case. Please post this on WP:AN/I. dab (ᛏ) 21:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
I have removed the {{ prod}} tag from Peloponnesians (Greek), which you proposed for deletion, because its deletion has previously been contested or viewed as controversial. Proposed deletion is not for controversial deletions. For this reason, it is best not to propose deletion of articles that have previously been de-{{ prod}}ed, even by the article creator, or which have previously been listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. If you still feel the article should be deleted, please don't add the {{ prod}} template back to the article, but feel free to list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Thanks! -- ais523 12:45, 13 July 2006 ( U T C)
Re Macedonia terminology. Perhpas you have an incomplete picture (or is it me?). Francis gave another reference believing it contradicted my own. But in fact it concurred with mine and I am most greateful to him. So: we have the 'earliest official' reference from Greek sources quoting Yugoslav and from Bulgarian. That makes 2 certain sources (Greek and Bulgarian) and one highle probable (Yugoslav). If there is anything I am missing, always greateful to be informed, meanwhile, happy readings. Politis 16:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Long day? I know the feeling. The date is 1945, not 1944; that is why I said that we both concur. You do not have the book, I presume, hence some of your comments are not quite apposite. The Greek source is just a FOOTNOTE on page 47. It reads, 'Δια του νέου όρου 'Μακεδονία του Αιγαίου' οι Γιουγκοσλαύοι ενοούν την Ελληνικήν Μακεδονίαν'. As I said, WE CONCUR, in other words, both our finding give us 1945. Politis 16:28, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your note on the talk page, I don't think I should respond to the racism allegation, and I'm glad that what I'm saying isn't falling on deaf ears :) In case you didn't have time to read the talk page, I have no problem with including the source, what I have a problem with is accepting that when the Greek government says "this is the first recorded use" we should believe them. Especially considering it was at the height of a war published by the Greek government in a book called "Designs on Greece", I think if this was any other government (e.g. replace Greek with Turkish there) they would be having none of it. - FrancisTyers · 17:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
They? Who is they? Have you seen my pieces on Cyprus. I was accused of not being Greek. Please, take a breath Francis, you are not making things better. And where did you read, "this is the first recorded use"? your quotes, your text. Thank you. I am keeping a copy of all this to re-examine in a cooler atmosphere and assess the situation. Politis 18:03, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I see, the quotation marks were decorative? That does not hold water, in the media, in academia or between people versed in the format of scholarly exchanges. Sorry, I am a bit out at sea on this one, what insiniution? Politis 18:13, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
About Elliniki Radiophonia Tileorasi. Shouldn't the Radiophonia be Radiofonia? No one in Greece uses ph for φ. It looks pretentious. -- Tēlex 18:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I was thinking if you want pretentious Erasmian tranliterations, transliterate it Hellênikê Rhadiophonia Têleorasê. -- Tēlex 18:24, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
BTW you should have let Aldux move it :-) -- Tēlex 18:32, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
What is your opinion on this edit [8]. Deleting sourced info and reverting to a version full of {facts}. Even his latest version was totally unsourced. -- Tēlex 21:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Hey man, could I get your (very brief) comments on Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group)#Please give me a good reason. The journal looks reasonably reputable, but the claims are outlandish, not to mention Macedonians were involved in writing the paper. Smells fishy to me. - FrancisTyers · 09:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Text added in demographics and linguistics. Please comment. :NikoSilver: 12:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
You have email. Politis 14:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
There was one Irish speaker, AFAICT, who opposed my adminship. lol. What is the plural form? And your user page led me to Kassel conversations - how amusing. -- Chris S. 18:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for that correction. Republic of Macedonia been changed so many times I think I'm forgetting what the correct one is. Vegaswikian 05:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Hi Future Perfect. I'm afraid I was in the middle of exams a few weeks ago and I didn't thank you properly for a very nice message you left on my talk page. Thank you. Anyway thought you should see what I've just been reverting, [9] and [10] and quite a bit more. Looking at the page history you seem to more about this person than I do and probably know which admins were involved. As you can see he has a couple more IP addresses now. Best. -- Lo2u 14:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
I have fixed the sockpuppet mixup abakharev 08:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you think you could give your opinion at User talk:FrancisTyers#The language, and maybe consider archiving your talk page. -- Tēlex 10:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Not German, an UndutchableGreeklitalmaffiozo (and this only to start with). ( Haas K. D. 15:00, 17 July 2006 (UTC))
So when people ask you where from, you say "lots of different places". Has a ring to it!!
Now let me ask you...
The second part of opening phrase does seem to make sense.
The Macedonians today live in the Republic of Macedonia; there are minority communities in Greek Macedonia with their own dialect and history but where the overwhelming majority consists of Greeks (who are also known as Macedonians in the region), as well as in Albania and Bulgaria.
What kind of minority communities axist in Greece, Bulgaria, and Albania??? Are their ehtnic, linquistic, cultural, religious, large , small? Does the overwhelming majority of the community members consist of Greeks?(they actuall do) Or do they consider themselves something else in contradiction to Greeks. And what does the poet mean by sayin "as well as in Albania and Bulgaria". Do all these apply there also? I am sure the Greeks wouls be happy to here that! And what is this different history... Saying something like that should require some refferences to back you up!!!!
Am i not entitle to change this passage?
Seems not.As for the ancient period paragraph. It is quite misleading since it does not refer to ancient times at all. Propably should exclude all the passage from text.
It seems that certain people are quite satisfied with their wotk and do not accept comments and corrections (but if this is the case they should not write here, really)
It is indeed a controversial article and i had to be more carefull at the beggining. It is also a very amusing one to follow up, from its creation to the seemingly result. Is like drafting a treaty between hostal tribes. The fact that large parts of the outcome derive from original contributions with very clear, highly nationalistic positions for the one (mostly) and the other side is absolutely charming.
This article has flaws and can be improved. The fact that is controversial should not be considered a problem and a taboo. There is no thing like status quo ante in wiki as far as i know. In any case my alterations reffer to comonly accepted facts undisputed by all sides.
I will sincerely continue keeping you company in your efforts.
Thanx Haas