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Hello, I'm
SMP0328.. I noticed that you recently removed some content from
Talk:Twenty-seventh Amendment to the United States Constitution without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. You can not simply remove a thread from a talk page, unless you are archiving that thread. Even then, archiving should only after weeks (if not months) of inactivity.
SMP0328. (
talk)
05:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Both of these are against basic policy, but I think you know that. Dougweller ( talk) 22:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Note: The edit-warrers, who have made their appearances immediately above, need to explain their claim that what _I_ did was OR: I do not consider the mere use of the term itself sufficient if it is 1. Unexplained. 2. Its use is apparently being applied inconsistently. What I feel I must do, now, is to point out that the OR policy is being selectively and discriminately applied against me. I've already given an example of an inconsistency at 18:06 edit above, but I strongly suspect that once the edit-warrers are required to explain their invocations of that rule against me, then they will display further inconsistences and discrimination. Frysay ( talk) 18:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at European-American Unity and Rights Organization shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 23:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Editors may delete posts as they see fit from their own talk page. Please do not restore your post again. -- NeilN talk to me 06:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Just to notify you that you have broken WP:3RR, but as you weren't notified before your last revert I haven't reported you. Please read the link carefully. And you are clearly editing against WP:CONSENSUS so you really need to get agreement on the talk page. Dougweller ( talk) 08:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. However, you should read the
guide to appealing blocks first.
Bishonen |
talk
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My complaints should be considered JUST THAT: A serious complaint about serious misconduct by others, against me. Yesterday, I initiated a WP: Dispute Resolution case against others, and it has become apparent that I will have to be including YOU in the complaint as well. What needs to happen is that those who have engaged in misconduct against me need to correct themselves, apologize to me, and to BEGIN to discuss my edits. (This has rarely happened so far.) Repair of the situation will, of course, require that any BLOCK against me be admitted that it was wrong, and be removed. Frysay ( talk) 19:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
AMAZING: I've just discovered that I have not merely been blocked from making edits to the Article itself, but also making edits to the Talk page!!! I am astonished! I, who have been by far the most persistent user of the Talk page, and the Talk page is PRECISELY the location where edits are debated and justified. (I've actually been falsely accused, by EvergreenFir, of NOT using the Talk page, when I was heavily doing so, far more than others!) IT IS NOW QUITE CLEAR THAT POV-PROTECTORS are trying to silence me. Otherwise, they would have blocked merely my edits to the article itself, and not edits to the Talk page! What they are trying to do is to prevent me from destroying their POV and biases, in the view of others who may read the article. I could do that, quite well, on the Talk page. _THAT_ is why I was blocked from editing the Talk page, too. And, though I haven't yet checked, I suspect that no notification of my block (to the Talk page, too) has been written onto the Talk page. This will lead to the situation where readers interpret my "failure" to respond to others' edits as being some sort of "admission". This is clearly an intent to thwart my use of the WP: Dispute Resolution process. That process explicitly recommends to discuss the dispute on the Talk Page, as I have heavily done so far. The entire process is thwarted if a person, a WILLING Talk-page user, is obstructed even from use of the Talk page. Frysay ( talk) 19:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
It was not merely by accident that I was blocked from editing BOTH the EURO article AND the Talk page for that article: The people who engineered that block were motivated by a desire to obstruct my comments from the record, well beyond any claim they might make that I should not be allowed to edit the EURO article itself. In part, this is because I initated a WP:Dispute Resolution process yesterday, and a large part of that will, of course, involve the record of the dispute. The next outrageous step, I anticipate, is that the people who blocked me (including by "conspiracy", admittedly a sometimes overused term: I use it rarely) will grow to fear the content of this, my own User:Talk page here. I've repeatedly described the major problems and abuses that I have seen so far, and I fully intend to continue to use the only medium left to me, this User:Talk page, to further document this incident. I feel that this will eventually lead to a powerful desire among those who have already engaged in an edit-war against me to further silence me: This will be evidenced by a block of my own editing in this page. Frysay ( talk) 19:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
On EURO's Talk page, I cite user Dougweller's comment, which I quote here:
Aha! Just like I anticipated. This demonstrates that Dougweller knows how to GAME THE SYSTEM'S RULES! He hides behind his claim that he has "reverted twice". True! But very misleading: In fact, his first revert actually reverted FOUR (4) of my own edits, his second revert actually reverted NINE (9) of my own edits. Ooh, that's sneaky! But if I revert the edits MANUALLY, one piece at a time, he wants to count them SEPARATELY!! I think he should have been a lawyer: A crooked, dishonest lawyer. Notice that he has failed to discuss the matter, at the time, in the Talk page! Figures. Frysay ( talk) 20:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Amazing, yet again. User EvergreenFir doesn't want me commenting on the dishonesty of another editor Dougweller, so he (she?) actually reverted MY OWN COMMENT in MY OWN User-talk page! How low can these corrupt people go? Frysay ( talk) 20:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I make allowances for the frustration of a blocked user, but the personal attacks you have posted on this page are completely unacceptable. I have removed your talkpage access. If you wish to appeal the block, you may use this page. Bishonen | talk 21:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC).
Please do not
attack other editors, as you did on
Talk:European-American Unity and Rights Organization. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please
stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.
Wikipedia:Civility is one of Wikipedia's central principles. I would strongly advise you to redact your insulting statement if you are serious about remaining an editor here.
Grayfell (
talk)
08:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's
biographies of living persons policy by inserting
unsourced or
poorly sourced
defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at
Talk:European-American_Unity_and_Rights_Organization, you may be
blocked from editing without further notice.
EvergreenFir
(talk) Please {{
re}}
08:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. However, you should read the
guide to appealing blocks first.
Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
19:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
reason Editors and Administrators are deliberately obstructing my effort to remove libelous material from WP:EURO, and have further obstructed my ability to use the WP Dispute Resolution system; and have (Bishonen) falsely asserted that my criticisms on my Talk page are somehow in violation of WP:NPA, when there is an explicit statement against that in the WP:NPA text. I have other specific complaints which I am also being obstructed from presenting.
Decline reason:
You are blocked because of what you did, not because of what others did. PhilKnight ( talk) 10:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The issue has not been reviewed by any credible means. See the paragraph above for many failures of process. My allegations are still valid, and I re-allege them. Libel still exists in the Article WP:EURO. I am entitled to make those allegations, and have them credibly addressed, INDEPENDENT of the issue of a block. Your staff is apparently taking the position that once blocked, I am somehow dis-entitled to make complaints against content, and against other users, and against Administrators. Show me precisely what I am entitled to do to expose libel and the misconduct of others, and I will follow that procedure. Frysay ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Allegations against editors without evidence, such as your allegations of corruption, stupidity, malice and so on, are considered personal attacks. If you want to complain about the content while blocked, please see WP:Contact us. While technically I don't think you "represent" EURO, Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects would still be the relevant venue. Huon ( talk) 23:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Frysay ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here.
Discretionary sanctions is a system of conduct regulation designed to minimize disruption to controversial topics. This means uninvolved administrators can impose sanctions for edits relating to the topic that do not adhere to the purpose of Wikipedia, our standards of behavior, or relevant policies. Administrators may impose sanctions such as editing restrictions, bans, or blocks. This message is to notify you sanctions are authorised for the topic you are editing. Before continuing to edit this topic, please familiarise yourself with the discretionary sanctions system. Don't hesitate to contact me or another editor if you have any questions.
This message is informational only and does not imply misconduct regarding your contributions to date.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaijin42 ( talk • contribs)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
List of white nationalist organizations. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. VQuakr ( talk) 05:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
.
Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
21:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
For the record, Ponyo (and others), I have just discovered that your block of me WASN'T GENUINELY reviewed by any Administrator. You can see below that Anthony Bradbury CLAIMED to have reviewed it, but on a search of his Contributions page, I was shocked to discover that of his last 1500 edits (of any type), about 500 were "decline unblock"s. I find it to be unbelievable that anyone who claims to review that many blocks is really doing an honest job of it. He is simply and intentionally acting as a 'rubber stamp' for people like you. If you can make a reasonable argument otherwise, you should do so immediately. Frysay ( talk) 06:20, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Your behavior, this unblock request (which is out of chronological order), your other unblock request, and your comments more than confirms that you are WP:NOTHERE to benefit the project. You clearly do not wish to accept any responsibility for your behavior; instead, you fall back on the typical defense of editors like you, which is to lash out and blame everyone else. I am declining your unblock request and revoking talk page access. If you wish to appeal, use WP:UTRS. Bbb23 ( talk) 16:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I am being harassed by a series of editors and administrators, including being threatened with a block simply for engaging in the WP:BRD process, and for fixing pages which violate WP:BLP and contain other libel. This harassment originated in late December 2014. Frysay ( talk) 21:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I have spent some long time going through this thread. In my opinion your assessment of the situation is at variance with the truth, and I would uphold the block and agree with those who have supported it. Incidentally a warning of the possibility of a block is just that; a warning. Not a threat. The block can be avoided by a behavior modification, which you chose not to do. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 22:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
I am responding here to Anthony Bradbury's comments, above. I will quote them and respond inline. He said (in quotes):
"I have spent some long time going through this thread."
"In my opinion your assessment of the situation is at variance with the truth,"
"and I would uphold the block and agree with those who have supported it."
Since I don't even know how you were selected for your 'job', this conclusion is not surprising at all. Were you called by a buddy? Did you ask anybody if your participation was acceptable to all persons involved? Frysay ( talk) 01:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
" Incidentally a warning of the possibility of a block is just that; a warning. Not a threat. The block can be avoided by a behavior modification, which you chose not to do. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)"
You didn't even bother to state what I have done wrong! Amazing! And you didn't notice that I have repeatedly alleged that I was blocked from my Talk-page in January 2015, based on the false assertion that something I put there violated WP:NPA. Your total unwillingness to actually address the issues is phenomenal. Frysay ( talk) 01:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Anthony Bradbury: I have just discovered a VERY interesting thing from reading your contributions page! There, I see very large numbers of "decline unblock" comments. In fact, in your last 500 edits, I count 138 "Decline unblock"s. And in your next-previous 500 edits, I see 168 "decline unblocks). And in your next-previous edits, I see 178 "decline unblocks". (It seems you're slowing down, huh!) Do I need to go on?
I wanted to also count the number of times you have "granted" unblocks, but a search for "grant unblock" couldn't be found. Have you ever seen a movie scene where a person with an old-fashioned rubber-stamp proceeds to sequentially stamp dozens of papers in a large stack? Takes about 1 second per, if you're good at it and have a lot of practice. As I understand it, you have just refused to reverse my block, and you even claimed that you took "a long time" to do so. I would ask you, "who chose you to do that?" You never asked me if I had any objection to you, to acting as some sort of checker. But given how many "decline unblocks" I have seen you issued, I wonder how it is possible that you could devote even a small amount of time to that task, per rubber-stamp. At this point, I have to conclude that you are the self-appointed "decline-unblock-rubber-stamper". You're the 'go-to-guy' for rubber-stamping as denied unblock requests. Could you let discretion be the better part of valor, and decide to GRANT relief from my block. Otherwise, it looks rather bad.
Frysay (
talk)
06:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have just been blocked, apparently for no stated reason, by Administrator "Ponyo". Before I am also blocked from my own User:Talk page (which, if it happens, would simply mirror what happened to me about 6 months ago), I want to put my appropriate accusations down in documentary form. I was being Wikihounded by user EvergreenFir, who (twice in 5 months) 'just happened to' follow me onto a page that I had only edited once. I suspect that she, further wanting to hound me, brought in Administrator VQuakr to threaten me with blocking, ostensibly for engaging in an "edit war". Notably, VQuaker failed to similarly alert EvergreenFir, which she (?) should have done if she had really believed that an edit war had been occurring. I noted carefully VQuakr's admission that she was biased, and had already made up her mind, and thus couldn't reasonably judge anything fairly. She (VQuakr) didn't deny it. Then, I pointed out that there should be an UNBIASED person coming in to consider all the facts, including the facts about WHY VQuakr showed up at a page that she had never edited before. I further suggested that VQuaker had probably been called by EvergreenFir to harass me. More in a moment. Frysay ( talk) 21:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
For example, I was blocked in January 2015, ostensibly based on the (false) claim that I had made a "Personal attack" (WP:NPA) on my own Talk Page. However, a check of the policy as of then (and presumably today, as well) showed that statements made by an editor on his own Talk page cannot constitute a "personal attack". I consider the recent harassment (today) to merely be a continuation of that done in December 2014 and January 2015. Many of the facts constituting this harassment have apparently been removed from the Talk page for WP:EURO, probably to conceal the facts from the easily-accessible record. Ostensibly, one accusation made against me in January 2015 was that I wasn't using the Talk page for WP:EURO. This claim was apparently perfunctory and indeed wacky, because even a brief study of that page (as it existed in January 2015) would easily show that I was probably putting up 75%+ of the discussion, and I was documenting the reasons for my edits much more than is typical for WP. My facts were generally unopposed (at least not effectively). But it was in retaliation to my references the behavior to other editors that I was blocked. Having been blocked, I was forced to document the misbehavior of the other editors on my Talk page, for which I was punished and obstructed. Those who were harassing me apparently could not even let me have the very limited forum of my own Talk page. It was then that Editor EvergreenFir made the false allegation that I had made a 'personal attack' on my Talk page. Apparently she lied, claiming that statements on a person's Talk page could constitute a "personal attack". Someone backed up EvergreenFir's malicious threat, and blocked me from even my own Talk page, in complete violation of WP:NPA. Frysay ( talk) 21:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed that Administrator Ponyo, far from being a disinterested and unbiased person, is actually one of the Administrators I cited above as being a adjunct of the January 2015 harassment. I made an objection far above, in January, and listed Ponyo as being one of the likely co-conspirators. At this point, we can question as to whether Ponyo remembered his (her?) role in the January matter. But I am making this comment on my Talk page to ensure that it is established that Ponyo was indeed involved then, and moreover is now reminded of that role. Ponyo can now remember that past involvement, and abandon his/her involvement, and reverse my block. It is my intent to have this action further added to the complaint of harassment I have already objected to. We can also question who requested Ponyo's renewed involvement. Frysay ( talk) 22:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Ponyo please consider removing talk page access as well. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 04:43, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I note your comments relating to my unblock request decline. Can I say in passing, and hopefully in a totally non-controversial way, that adding comments sequentially at the bottom of the page makes much easier to follow the thread. As to your critique of my admin actions, many are very straightforward and take very little time, A few take more time, and in these cases I take more time, as in your case. I am not, however, within the Wikipedia framework, expected or required (except, it appears, by you) to detail the reasoning behind my decisions. This of course applies to all admins, not just to me. Also for the record, I have discussed your situation with no-one - neither the editors with whom you have been in conflict, nor with anyone else. And on the larger scale, admins are selected, NOT self-selected by community decision. See admin selection. This is how Wikipedia is organized, and contribution and administration here is voluntary. I hope that you will stay here, but you are not required to do so. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 20:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Frysay, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community.
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Hello, I'm
SMP0328.. I noticed that you recently removed some content from
Talk:Twenty-seventh Amendment to the United States Constitution without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate
edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the
sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on
my talk page. You can not simply remove a thread from a talk page, unless you are archiving that thread. Even then, archiving should only after weeks (if not months) of inactivity.
SMP0328. (
talk)
05:11, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Both of these are against basic policy, but I think you know that. Dougweller ( talk) 22:10, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Note: The edit-warrers, who have made their appearances immediately above, need to explain their claim that what _I_ did was OR: I do not consider the mere use of the term itself sufficient if it is 1. Unexplained. 2. Its use is apparently being applied inconsistently. What I feel I must do, now, is to point out that the OR policy is being selectively and discriminately applied against me. I've already given an example of an inconsistency at 18:06 edit above, but I strongly suspect that once the edit-warrers are required to explain their invocations of that rule against me, then they will display further inconsistences and discrimination. Frysay ( talk) 18:37, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Your recent editing history at European-American Unity and Rights Organization shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you get reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.
Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 23:30, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
Editors may delete posts as they see fit from their own talk page. Please do not restore your post again. -- NeilN talk to me 06:56, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Just to notify you that you have broken WP:3RR, but as you weren't notified before your last revert I haven't reported you. Please read the link carefully. And you are clearly editing against WP:CONSENSUS so you really need to get agreement on the talk page. Dougweller ( talk) 08:46, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
. However, you should read the
guide to appealing blocks first.
Bishonen |
talk
13:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)−
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My complaints should be considered JUST THAT: A serious complaint about serious misconduct by others, against me. Yesterday, I initiated a WP: Dispute Resolution case against others, and it has become apparent that I will have to be including YOU in the complaint as well. What needs to happen is that those who have engaged in misconduct against me need to correct themselves, apologize to me, and to BEGIN to discuss my edits. (This has rarely happened so far.) Repair of the situation will, of course, require that any BLOCK against me be admitted that it was wrong, and be removed. Frysay ( talk) 19:13, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
AMAZING: I've just discovered that I have not merely been blocked from making edits to the Article itself, but also making edits to the Talk page!!! I am astonished! I, who have been by far the most persistent user of the Talk page, and the Talk page is PRECISELY the location where edits are debated and justified. (I've actually been falsely accused, by EvergreenFir, of NOT using the Talk page, when I was heavily doing so, far more than others!) IT IS NOW QUITE CLEAR THAT POV-PROTECTORS are trying to silence me. Otherwise, they would have blocked merely my edits to the article itself, and not edits to the Talk page! What they are trying to do is to prevent me from destroying their POV and biases, in the view of others who may read the article. I could do that, quite well, on the Talk page. _THAT_ is why I was blocked from editing the Talk page, too. And, though I haven't yet checked, I suspect that no notification of my block (to the Talk page, too) has been written onto the Talk page. This will lead to the situation where readers interpret my "failure" to respond to others' edits as being some sort of "admission". This is clearly an intent to thwart my use of the WP: Dispute Resolution process. That process explicitly recommends to discuss the dispute on the Talk Page, as I have heavily done so far. The entire process is thwarted if a person, a WILLING Talk-page user, is obstructed even from use of the Talk page. Frysay ( talk) 19:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
It was not merely by accident that I was blocked from editing BOTH the EURO article AND the Talk page for that article: The people who engineered that block were motivated by a desire to obstruct my comments from the record, well beyond any claim they might make that I should not be allowed to edit the EURO article itself. In part, this is because I initated a WP:Dispute Resolution process yesterday, and a large part of that will, of course, involve the record of the dispute. The next outrageous step, I anticipate, is that the people who blocked me (including by "conspiracy", admittedly a sometimes overused term: I use it rarely) will grow to fear the content of this, my own User:Talk page here. I've repeatedly described the major problems and abuses that I have seen so far, and I fully intend to continue to use the only medium left to me, this User:Talk page, to further document this incident. I feel that this will eventually lead to a powerful desire among those who have already engaged in an edit-war against me to further silence me: This will be evidenced by a block of my own editing in this page. Frysay ( talk) 19:58, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
On EURO's Talk page, I cite user Dougweller's comment, which I quote here:
Aha! Just like I anticipated. This demonstrates that Dougweller knows how to GAME THE SYSTEM'S RULES! He hides behind his claim that he has "reverted twice". True! But very misleading: In fact, his first revert actually reverted FOUR (4) of my own edits, his second revert actually reverted NINE (9) of my own edits. Ooh, that's sneaky! But if I revert the edits MANUALLY, one piece at a time, he wants to count them SEPARATELY!! I think he should have been a lawyer: A crooked, dishonest lawyer. Notice that he has failed to discuss the matter, at the time, in the Talk page! Figures. Frysay ( talk) 20:42, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
Amazing, yet again. User EvergreenFir doesn't want me commenting on the dishonesty of another editor Dougweller, so he (she?) actually reverted MY OWN COMMENT in MY OWN User-talk page! How low can these corrupt people go? Frysay ( talk) 20:53, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
I make allowances for the frustration of a blocked user, but the personal attacks you have posted on this page are completely unacceptable. I have removed your talkpage access. If you wish to appeal the block, you may use this page. Bishonen | talk 21:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC).
Please do not
attack other editors, as you did on
Talk:European-American Unity and Rights Organization. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please
stay cool and keep this in mind while editing.
Wikipedia:Civility is one of Wikipedia's central principles. I would strongly advise you to redact your insulting statement if you are serious about remaining an editor here.
Grayfell (
talk)
08:00, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
This is your only warning; if you violate Wikipedia's
biographies of living persons policy by inserting
unsourced or
poorly sourced
defamatory content into an article or any other Wikipedia page again, as you did at
Talk:European-American_Unity_and_Rights_Organization, you may be
blocked from editing without further notice.
EvergreenFir
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08:05, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
{{
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Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
19:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)-- Jezebel's Ponyo bons mots 19:48, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
reason Editors and Administrators are deliberately obstructing my effort to remove libelous material from WP:EURO, and have further obstructed my ability to use the WP Dispute Resolution system; and have (Bishonen) falsely asserted that my criticisms on my Talk page are somehow in violation of WP:NPA, when there is an explicit statement against that in the WP:NPA text. I have other specific complaints which I am also being obstructed from presenting.
Decline reason:
You are blocked because of what you did, not because of what others did. PhilKnight ( talk) 10:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The issue has not been reviewed by any credible means. See the paragraph above for many failures of process. My allegations are still valid, and I re-allege them. Libel still exists in the Article WP:EURO. I am entitled to make those allegations, and have them credibly addressed, INDEPENDENT of the issue of a block. Your staff is apparently taking the position that once blocked, I am somehow dis-entitled to make complaints against content, and against other users, and against Administrators. Show me precisely what I am entitled to do to expose libel and the misconduct of others, and I will follow that procedure. Frysay ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Allegations against editors without evidence, such as your allegations of corruption, stupidity, malice and so on, are considered personal attacks. If you want to complain about the content while blocked, please see WP:Contact us. While technically I don't think you "represent" EURO, Wikipedia:Contact us - Subjects would still be the relevant venue. Huon ( talk) 23:24, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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Frysay ( talk) 18:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
List of white nationalist organizations. Users are expected to
collaborate with others, to avoid editing
disruptively, and to
try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
Please be particularly aware that Wikipedia's policy on edit warring states:
If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. VQuakr ( talk) 05:30, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
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Jezebel's Ponyo
bons mots
21:31, 3 July 2015 (UTC)Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
For the record, Ponyo (and others), I have just discovered that your block of me WASN'T GENUINELY reviewed by any Administrator. You can see below that Anthony Bradbury CLAIMED to have reviewed it, but on a search of his Contributions page, I was shocked to discover that of his last 1500 edits (of any type), about 500 were "decline unblock"s. I find it to be unbelievable that anyone who claims to review that many blocks is really doing an honest job of it. He is simply and intentionally acting as a 'rubber stamp' for people like you. If you can make a reasonable argument otherwise, you should do so immediately. Frysay ( talk) 06:20, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
Your behavior, this unblock request (which is out of chronological order), your other unblock request, and your comments more than confirms that you are WP:NOTHERE to benefit the project. You clearly do not wish to accept any responsibility for your behavior; instead, you fall back on the typical defense of editors like you, which is to lash out and blame everyone else. I am declining your unblock request and revoking talk page access. If you wish to appeal, use WP:UTRS. Bbb23 ( talk) 16:17, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
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Frysay ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I am being harassed by a series of editors and administrators, including being threatened with a block simply for engaging in the WP:BRD process, and for fixing pages which violate WP:BLP and contain other libel. This harassment originated in late December 2014. Frysay ( talk) 21:39, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I have spent some long time going through this thread. In my opinion your assessment of the situation is at variance with the truth, and I would uphold the block and agree with those who have supported it. Incidentally a warning of the possibility of a block is just that; a warning. Not a threat. The block can be avoided by a behavior modification, which you chose not to do. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 22:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
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I am responding here to Anthony Bradbury's comments, above. I will quote them and respond inline. He said (in quotes):
"I have spent some long time going through this thread."
"In my opinion your assessment of the situation is at variance with the truth,"
"and I would uphold the block and agree with those who have supported it."
Since I don't even know how you were selected for your 'job', this conclusion is not surprising at all. Were you called by a buddy? Did you ask anybody if your participation was acceptable to all persons involved? Frysay ( talk) 01:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
" Incidentally a warning of the possibility of a block is just that; a warning. Not a threat. The block can be avoided by a behavior modification, which you chose not to do. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 22:23, 3 July 2015 (UTC)"
You didn't even bother to state what I have done wrong! Amazing! And you didn't notice that I have repeatedly alleged that I was blocked from my Talk-page in January 2015, based on the false assertion that something I put there violated WP:NPA. Your total unwillingness to actually address the issues is phenomenal. Frysay ( talk) 01:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Anthony Bradbury: I have just discovered a VERY interesting thing from reading your contributions page! There, I see very large numbers of "decline unblock" comments. In fact, in your last 500 edits, I count 138 "Decline unblock"s. And in your next-previous 500 edits, I see 168 "decline unblocks). And in your next-previous edits, I see 178 "decline unblocks". (It seems you're slowing down, huh!) Do I need to go on?
I wanted to also count the number of times you have "granted" unblocks, but a search for "grant unblock" couldn't be found. Have you ever seen a movie scene where a person with an old-fashioned rubber-stamp proceeds to sequentially stamp dozens of papers in a large stack? Takes about 1 second per, if you're good at it and have a lot of practice. As I understand it, you have just refused to reverse my block, and you even claimed that you took "a long time" to do so. I would ask you, "who chose you to do that?" You never asked me if I had any objection to you, to acting as some sort of checker. But given how many "decline unblocks" I have seen you issued, I wonder how it is possible that you could devote even a small amount of time to that task, per rubber-stamp. At this point, I have to conclude that you are the self-appointed "decline-unblock-rubber-stamper". You're the 'go-to-guy' for rubber-stamping as denied unblock requests. Could you let discretion be the better part of valor, and decide to GRANT relief from my block. Otherwise, it looks rather bad.
Frysay (
talk)
06:10, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I have just been blocked, apparently for no stated reason, by Administrator "Ponyo". Before I am also blocked from my own User:Talk page (which, if it happens, would simply mirror what happened to me about 6 months ago), I want to put my appropriate accusations down in documentary form. I was being Wikihounded by user EvergreenFir, who (twice in 5 months) 'just happened to' follow me onto a page that I had only edited once. I suspect that she, further wanting to hound me, brought in Administrator VQuakr to threaten me with blocking, ostensibly for engaging in an "edit war". Notably, VQuaker failed to similarly alert EvergreenFir, which she (?) should have done if she had really believed that an edit war had been occurring. I noted carefully VQuakr's admission that she was biased, and had already made up her mind, and thus couldn't reasonably judge anything fairly. She (VQuakr) didn't deny it. Then, I pointed out that there should be an UNBIASED person coming in to consider all the facts, including the facts about WHY VQuakr showed up at a page that she had never edited before. I further suggested that VQuaker had probably been called by EvergreenFir to harass me. More in a moment. Frysay ( talk) 21:36, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
For example, I was blocked in January 2015, ostensibly based on the (false) claim that I had made a "Personal attack" (WP:NPA) on my own Talk Page. However, a check of the policy as of then (and presumably today, as well) showed that statements made by an editor on his own Talk page cannot constitute a "personal attack". I consider the recent harassment (today) to merely be a continuation of that done in December 2014 and January 2015. Many of the facts constituting this harassment have apparently been removed from the Talk page for WP:EURO, probably to conceal the facts from the easily-accessible record. Ostensibly, one accusation made against me in January 2015 was that I wasn't using the Talk page for WP:EURO. This claim was apparently perfunctory and indeed wacky, because even a brief study of that page (as it existed in January 2015) would easily show that I was probably putting up 75%+ of the discussion, and I was documenting the reasons for my edits much more than is typical for WP. My facts were generally unopposed (at least not effectively). But it was in retaliation to my references the behavior to other editors that I was blocked. Having been blocked, I was forced to document the misbehavior of the other editors on my Talk page, for which I was punished and obstructed. Those who were harassing me apparently could not even let me have the very limited forum of my own Talk page. It was then that Editor EvergreenFir made the false allegation that I had made a 'personal attack' on my Talk page. Apparently she lied, claiming that statements on a person's Talk page could constitute a "personal attack". Someone backed up EvergreenFir's malicious threat, and blocked me from even my own Talk page, in complete violation of WP:NPA. Frysay ( talk) 21:50, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
I just noticed that Administrator Ponyo, far from being a disinterested and unbiased person, is actually one of the Administrators I cited above as being a adjunct of the January 2015 harassment. I made an objection far above, in January, and listed Ponyo as being one of the likely co-conspirators. At this point, we can question as to whether Ponyo remembered his (her?) role in the January matter. But I am making this comment on my Talk page to ensure that it is established that Ponyo was indeed involved then, and moreover is now reminded of that role. Ponyo can now remember that past involvement, and abandon his/her involvement, and reverse my block. It is my intent to have this action further added to the complaint of harassment I have already objected to. We can also question who requested Ponyo's renewed involvement. Frysay ( talk) 22:13, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
Ponyo please consider removing talk page access as well. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 04:43, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
I note your comments relating to my unblock request decline. Can I say in passing, and hopefully in a totally non-controversial way, that adding comments sequentially at the bottom of the page makes much easier to follow the thread. As to your critique of my admin actions, many are very straightforward and take very little time, A few take more time, and in these cases I take more time, as in your case. I am not, however, within the Wikipedia framework, expected or required (except, it appears, by you) to detail the reasoning behind my decisions. This of course applies to all admins, not just to me. Also for the record, I have discussed your situation with no-one - neither the editors with whom you have been in conflict, nor with anyone else. And on the larger scale, admins are selected, NOT self-selected by community decision. See admin selection. This is how Wikipedia is organized, and contribution and administration here is voluntary. I hope that you will stay here, but you are not required to do so. -- Anthony Bradbury "talk" 20:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi. An editor has opened an investigation into sockpuppetry by you. Sockpuppetry is the use of more than one Wikipedia account in a manner that contravenes community policy. The investigation is being held at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Frysay, where the editor who opened the investigation has presented their evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to investigations, and then feel free to offer your own evidence or to submit comments that you wish to be considered by the Wikipedia administrator who decides the result of the investigation. If you have been using multiple accounts (in a manner contrary to Wikipedia policy), please go to the investigation page and verify that now. Leniency is usually shown to those who promise not to do so again, or who did so unwittingly, but the abuse of multiple accounts is taken very seriously by the Wikipedia community.