I'm glad to see you've reappeared! I've done some work on the Uí Ímair I was hoping you would look over. Obviously we can't just accept a legendary pedigree for Ivar, but since the article is about who were most probably a dynasty of some fashion, I think it is harmless to give some possibilities the Scandinavian sources offer. The possibility that Sigurd Ring and his 'descendants' may have had 'Swedish' origins is at least fun to entertain. DinDraithou ( talk) 14:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
It's a shame we have lost most of the history of Ivar's Waterford dynasty. John O'Donovan thought they might be ancestral to the O'Donovans of Waterford, noting Ivar's son Donndubán and the likelihood of a daughter of the Uí Fidgenti king being the mother of him and others. The trouble is that I've never heard anywhere else of the Waterford O'Donovans and think they might be imaginary. Of course the real O'Donovans themselves might be fictitious... Ó Corráin suggested their Uí Chairpri pedigree might be fake but I haven't mentioned that in their article yet, if I should in all fairness. Too many of my cousins used to be named Ragnall, which I note was the name of two of Ivar's sons and a grandson, but who really knows why.
You'll be happy about this: the Clan Donald DNA Project have now tested their chiefs and all are Norwegian variety R1a. They don't have the MacDougalls they need yet to say 100% for sure about Somerled, and so a non-paternity event can't be ruled out, but is looking less and less likely to me, especially after looking at this paper by Alex Woolf. DinDraithou ( talk) 02:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I have just created Clann Somhairle. DinDraithou ( talk) 18:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I mainly say 'Danish or Swedish' because at this time it is difficult to distinguish the Danes from the Swedes. Both were speakers of East Norse and not the West Norse of the Norwegians and later Icelanders. Because the Swedes were known to the Romans at least as early as Tacitus, and the Danes were not, it is generally assumed that the Danes are more of less an offshoot of the Swedes, not unlike the historical 'Scots' of the first millennium were 'Irish'.
Add to that the statements of Saxo on the origins of Ragnar's family, then add to that the fact that quite a number of famous kings belong to both 'Denmark' and 'Sweden', and add to that the apparent fact that the early 'Swedes' and 'Danes' appear not to have cared greatly who was who, and add to that the fact that part of modern Sweden used to be in Denmark.
Finally there are not a small number of Swedish runestones telling of British adventures! [1] I have more to say but have worn myself out for the moment.
Oh and I don't think the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle specifically says Danes where it mentions the Great Heathen Army. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Finnrind. Good to find such a good medieval Irish scholar! I need your input on a few matters. 1 - Irish genealogy - are the reference sections too long? 2 - I can't find much genealogical data, even in Leabhar na nGenealach, on the Ostmen. I'm especially interested in ones outside of Dublin such as Waterford and Limerick. Any ideas? 3 - i really would appreciate any thoughts on some of my more recent articles - Leabhar Ua Maine, Nehemiah Donnellan, Maelsechlainn mac Tadhg Ó Cellaigh, Cian d'Fhearaibh Bolg. And what I consider to be my best, Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh. There's not that many of us working these eras, and I want to get them right. Fergananim ( talk) 06:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Good point on references. Some were added really as resources, so I best recatorgise (see, you've helped already!). The bulk of those listed are however extremly pertinent to the subject, and all the more valuable because, incredibly, this seems to be an area utterly overlooked till now.
What's the info in IKHK? There u go again!
I'll try to take a look at those other artcles of yours later, but don't expect to qualified input. Look, if its only correcting grammer and spelling, that will be a help. Nothing on Wikipedia can be considered definitive unless it recieves multiple input. And you are as good as the rest of us, so fire away!
Cheers, you've made my day! Fergananim ( talk) 11:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
...I've opened a discussion on reorganisation articles dealing with Irish history at Talk:History of Ireland#RFC: Irish history series. --RA ( talk) 23:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Somehow, while meaning to do that article on Malone, I ended up creating Conchobhar Ua Flaithbheartaigh, King of Iar Connacht 1117- 1132 and Muireadhach Ua Dubhthaigh, Archbishop of Connacht, 1075- 1150. Typical! Fergananim ( talk) 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've seen a reference or two to them before, possibly in Byrne, but don't think it is an error. There are several cases like this so you have to rely on the context if not provided with a more "formal definition" of the Irish sept. For example Síl Lugdach can refer to to the Corcu Loígde but also to at least one supposedly unrelated northern sept, I think of the Uí Néill. So some say Síl Lugdach mac Ítha to be specific. But often such multiple occurrences may come out of daughters ("marriages", as the Irish understood them) and other shared ancestry and associations such as fosterage. Further back, if you look deeply enough both the Éoganachta and Uí Néill become more difficult and eventually impossible to distinguish from the Érainn/Dáirine. Intermarriage across the island, and probably across the Irish Sea, was always extensive. Despite arguments for the very ancient and isolated ancestry of the population, the vast majority of Irish genetic lineages are closely related to each other and also closely related to British and Pictish and a great many Continental, including Germanic, lineages and these are all of fairly recent origin in Western Europe, < 4000 yrs BP, with most much younger.
Anyway I've run out of time for the Irish and their pedigrees. As of this morning CERN have protons flying around the Large Hadron Collider at incredible record energies and so I need to finally learn my partial differential equations! Quantum mechanics! Once I've finished helping out the Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project people here at Wikipedia I will probably quit. Before that I can email you a few resources, one of which Fergananim has mentioned, if you would like. Others involve the Vikings. DinDraithou ( talk) 01:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Gilla Críst Ua Máel Eóin Fergananim ( talk) 03:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry about that. I'll use edit summaries for things like that in the future.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 07:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
At present, I cannot find anything on him, and reckon that's all there is to be found. Supriseingly, Amhlaeibh isn't a Norse forename, its old Irish. Amalgaid and Amhalghaidh were forms that got utterly mixed up with the Norse Auliffe. See Aulay for more info.
I'm still unsure about how to use the sandbox, but guess I better give it a go! Fergananim ( talk) 15:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
What I've read of that book is magnificant, well worth the re-print. I'll see if I can add some. Good start, though.
I made a start with Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair. Does it help any? Fergananim ( talk) 18:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry! I was about to put the quotation in blockquote tags, but I realized that it was not necessary— WP:MOS asks for blockquote tags only for quotations of four or more lines (and in some other circumstances) and your quotation was only three lines at my screen resolution (1280x1024). I guess I forgot to remove the closing tag. Again, sorry for the mixup. G.W. ( Talk) 18:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
When I added the citations on the Archbishop of Dublin page I should have edited the history section and bishop table. Both sources say "c. 1028" (on the abbreviation pages of each book state "c." = circa). I've now edited the Archbishop of Dublin page to state "in about the same year" in the history section, and "circa" in the bishop table.
The Moody&al source is available via Google books on page 309, but as you'll see it gives basic information about. The Fryde&al source is also available via Google books on page 350. Those two books at Google have limited previews, so you'll find there pages purposely left out.
Also in the history section I've added a reference about when the diocese was established in 1028.
There is another source about Irish bishops, archbishops and other higher clergy "Fasti Ecclesiae Hibernicae: The Succession of the Prelates and Members of the Cathedral Bodies of Ireland" by Henry Cotton. It has six volumes and are available online:
The earlier information about the bishops and archbishops I find is not very reliable, but the later post-Reformation information is more reliable. In volume 2, Diocese of Dublin, pages 7–8, mentions the first seven early bishops, although the diocese didn't exist back then. How much credence to that information is correct I cound'nt say. Also on page 8 mention Donat, the so-called first diocesan bishop. It doesn't mention when he was consecrated, just that he "distinguished himself by building the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity, or Christ Church, about the year 1038".
I'm no expert but I hope this information will be helpful. Regards Scrivener-uki ( talk) 14:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Some of the above may be of use. Fergananim ( talk) 13:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Apparently it is, though one I've never heard of before. Found it in the source material. Are you thinking of what our freind said, and perhaps dating the section 800-1200? I thought it seemed a good idea. Fergananim ( talk) 23:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Great to finally have it. I don't have Eiru 1974 either but will look. Fergananim ( talk) 14:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
You may find this site useful as they publish a great many books on Irish studies of our era. I'll give you links to a few of the books concerned:
You may already know of it. Don't be too hasty buying, as they are pricy! Fergananim ( talk) 00:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I saw your note about Gaelic Journal but it is only 1168 characters of prose in my estimation so will not quality until it is at least 1500+. A DYK might be: ... that the Gaelic Journal, first published in 1882, was described as being the first journal devoted to the living Irish language. Good luck. ww2censor ( talk) 18:37, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 05:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, I'll save that. Actually maybe you ought to take a crack at it the article first. You've got a better grasp at this stuff than I.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 05:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I was much impressed with History of Gwynedd during the High Middle Ages and Culture of Gwynedd during the High Middle Ages. I will probably use them as a guide for our Ireland 800-1169/1198?/1200? article. Kingdom of Gwynedd I may yet use in them for the likes of Thomond and other Irish kingdoms. Kinda sad that it takes so long to bring our own rich history to this wiki leval. Fergananim ( talk) 07:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
In case it's not on your watchlist, I have edited Gaelic revival back down to its pre-2008 state. If you want to expand it a little based on your reading for the Gaelic Journal article, now would be a good time. As I say on the talk page, what's there at the moment is based on a fairly crappy Brittanica article. If we could find something a bit more authoritative on Thomas Davis and Thomas Moore it could be completely replaced. It's not really what the revival was about anyway - more like background. Scolaire ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 08:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 00:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm much happier with the article now. Thanks for expunging the weasel words. There is a great balance around Giraldus' views now that point to his probable PR. Altogether, very scholarly, readable and balanced. Good work. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 22:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Thx for the info about the unified login, Finnrind! I appreciate your help, and especially the fast response. Great! Gray62 ( talk) 09:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Have started article on Ciannachta. Can you add anything to it? Fergananim ( talk) 06:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have a little question: I have added a link to the article "Conversions of Units" in the section "Free conversion software" and you have deleted it. The link was http://www.sttmedia.com/unitconverter and I think it is a correct link in this section: The tool is free, the tool is portable, you can use pre-defined or custom units and it includes even more units (4500) than the other mentioned tools which are still in this list. So why is this a spam link? Can you explain it to me?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.139.57.42 ( talk) 09:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Just saying hello, and letting you know I'm "still" sort of here, or retured a little, or reborn. Also thank you for watching my pages when I wasn't active. How has your giant Norwegian language project been going? Is it in Bokmål or Nynorsk, or did I already ask that?
Myself I am lazy and do not yet have differential equations. But I have become interested in the interpretations of quantum mechanics, which I only poorly understand so far. Niels Bohr looks like the one to start with and I am preparing to order a volume. And what is nice is that some of those articles need work so I will be able to learn as I improve them. I love Wikipedia. DinDraithou ( talk) 20:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Hi again. I'll leave these marvelously interesting thoughts here for you. Looking at my wonderful pedigree I've discovered yet one more Óláf, now bringing the total to three or four. Thus I grow increasingly haughty. Add to that about 60 Rognvalds/Raghnalls, if you count my cousins too. Now we know that the dialect of Norse spoken in Limerick and Ireland and elsewhere was Norwegian predominantly, but don't these names also have more Norwegian associations than Danish? And then you see I also had the insight that the later Waterford dynasty had more Raghnalls than historians know what to do with. It seems the name Ivar has more Dano-Swedish associations, but by his time in the late 10th century it was common in the west. Then again the grandfather of Rognvald Eysteinsson was an Ivar. Am I doing this thing again where I've somehow got it all wrong? I wonder from time to time if I don't know what I'm talking about. Anyway I have now given Amlaíb Ua Donnabáin an article, for he seems to have been the one who moved the family south into what would later become the famous Carbery, where we would become filthy rich magnates (and pirates) under the frighteningly rich MacCarthy Reaghs. Nobody has any big money now though thanks to the stupid and worthless Stuarts ( Charles II of England), who gave away most of our estates to little English soldiers three feet tall (rant). Oh and I gave our necromancing navigator Ímar Ua Donnabáin an article too. He and his splendid ship live in a lake. And I have added a touching paragraph to O'Donovan#Norse period. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Ottir Iarla. DinDraithou ( talk) 05:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I feel so embarrassed for sending you a worthless source! Sorry about that. I found it in Bugge's note, which said something like "For more on this famous viking, see Steenstrup." Anyway. Thank you for taking the trouble. I know you're busy and I very much appreciate it. DinDraithou ( talk) 16:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for adding that about the possible identification. I discovered it too but got a little confused, and then got sidetracked. The Lidwiccians are a great find with a silly sounding name and they should absolutely be included. I think it is fairly established that this person was everywhere and of as much consequence as an Uí Ímair dynast. Do you think the article should be renamed? Personally I like the sound of it more than the English. DinDraithou ( talk) 17:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
User:Urselius has now given us a fine new article on his probable ancestor, but there are some questions about his successors. I have done a lot of the research already, which you can find in Talk:Óttar of Dublin if you have the time. DinDraithou ( talk) 16:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
You might enjoy. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just in case Urselius is unavailable, I have sent you the volume (original credit User:Brianann_MacAmhlaidh). Cheers! DinDraithou ( talk) 15:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Talk:John_of_Islay,_Earl_of_Ross#Titles. DinDraithou ( talk) 22:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Re: your comment on
User talk:Scolaire
[4].
Finn, with respect I disagree with you. I know you are trying to help Scolaire but I have to point out that the tone of my comments while terse and direct (if a little 'curt' - which I will address), contains no superfluous language (other than perhaps "I'm afraid I have to warn" - which could have been "I am warning", but the former is less aggressive) and is not 'pompous' (or 'condescending' for that matter). Unless you can support that accusation of pomposity I'll ask you to please rephrase that remark.
Forgive me if I misunderstand you but it seems you infer that I have belittled Scolaire - I don't see how. These warnings
[5]
[6] are very short and to-the-point. They address remarks made by Scolaire nothing else. As Scolaire is an experienced user a lengthy post on 'why avoiding insulting remarks is a good idea' was inappropriate (and would have been patronizing, as much as a template would have been), hence the shortness of the warnings.
Also by way of context the area in which Scolaire was warned is under probation (British isles naming dispute) that means policies will be strictly enforced and is under heavy scrutiny by sysops. Failure of users involved in the area under dispute "to get it" about policy is even more frowned upon than outside of it. Again I realize you have Scolaire's best interest at heart in defending them but they escalated this matter by making an incivil and unnecessary response to a to-the-point warning. I recognize the good faith of their redacting the remark to LevenBoy (hence my hesitancy to issue a level 3 warning) but the manner of their response to me was not advisable after a warning. The fact is incivility between users in this topic area is at an untenable level, and further incivility breeds worst incivility & more disruption. Strict interventions will be made until the users involved in incivil discourse stop using it.
Sorry for the length of my post but I thought your response was thoughtful and needed a proper reply; and I will try to be a little less curt to users like Scolaire in future--
Cailil
talk 18:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Spotted your com. to Scolaire. I just picked up a 1920 copy of Phases of Irish Historylast week. Haven't had much time to go through it at any length, but, from the intro, his views on 'Race' as cultural constructs rather than biologically fixed seem to me far ahead of his time. If you need any refs. from this publication on your expansion of the article, let me know. Best. RashersTierney ( talk) 19:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I have finally begun with Magnus III of Norway. What has happened with Alexander Bugge? DinDraithou ( talk) 22:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Alexander Bugge. DinDraithou ( talk) 04:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to express my appreciation for all the time and effort you devoted in improving that article I started, especially on such short notice. Good ideas and fresh eyes definitely made it a better article. Best Regards, Notuncurious ( talk) 23:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I have emailed you something! DinDraithou ( talk) 05:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I just remembered something that might amuse you. It is a piece of rhyme from Shetland in the local extinct variety of Norse, I found it in an old book some time ago. The spelling is approximate!
Barn vill ikka teea, barn vill ikka teea, takkan leggan slog an veggan, barn vill ikka teea!
Regards, Urselius ( talk) 13:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not going to spam a lot of talk pages, nor am I going to be online at wikipedia during Christmas. So I'm wishing all my fellow editors at Wikipedia "Merry Christmas" on my own talkpage, if I know you well enough that you'd appreciate such a greeting you should be wathcing my talk :) Finn Rindahl ( talk) 21:16, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Corrected your addition at Inner Hebrides, which I trust you don't mind per your User page! "The Inner Hebrides" is a singular archipelago, but "I can see 12 Inner Hebrides from my bedroom window" is also OK as a plural. After I foolishly made some edits to Kings of Mann and the Isles, DinDraithou has recently sent me a small library of stuff by email which apparently is partly thanks to you (see my talk page), so my thanks also. Ben Mac Dui 09:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I think you should check the above listed articles -included international references- and make some conclusions about "personal" attacks from norwegian librarians against internationally wellknown writers. Thanks -- Lolox76 ( talk) 17:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you for your helpful edits to the new article I created, at The Mystery of a Hansom Cab. Much appreciated! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm glad to see you've reappeared! I've done some work on the Uí Ímair I was hoping you would look over. Obviously we can't just accept a legendary pedigree for Ivar, but since the article is about who were most probably a dynasty of some fashion, I think it is harmless to give some possibilities the Scandinavian sources offer. The possibility that Sigurd Ring and his 'descendants' may have had 'Swedish' origins is at least fun to entertain. DinDraithou ( talk) 14:17, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
It's a shame we have lost most of the history of Ivar's Waterford dynasty. John O'Donovan thought they might be ancestral to the O'Donovans of Waterford, noting Ivar's son Donndubán and the likelihood of a daughter of the Uí Fidgenti king being the mother of him and others. The trouble is that I've never heard anywhere else of the Waterford O'Donovans and think they might be imaginary. Of course the real O'Donovans themselves might be fictitious... Ó Corráin suggested their Uí Chairpri pedigree might be fake but I haven't mentioned that in their article yet, if I should in all fairness. Too many of my cousins used to be named Ragnall, which I note was the name of two of Ivar's sons and a grandson, but who really knows why.
You'll be happy about this: the Clan Donald DNA Project have now tested their chiefs and all are Norwegian variety R1a. They don't have the MacDougalls they need yet to say 100% for sure about Somerled, and so a non-paternity event can't be ruled out, but is looking less and less likely to me, especially after looking at this paper by Alex Woolf. DinDraithou ( talk) 02:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I have just created Clann Somhairle. DinDraithou ( talk) 18:56, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
I mainly say 'Danish or Swedish' because at this time it is difficult to distinguish the Danes from the Swedes. Both were speakers of East Norse and not the West Norse of the Norwegians and later Icelanders. Because the Swedes were known to the Romans at least as early as Tacitus, and the Danes were not, it is generally assumed that the Danes are more of less an offshoot of the Swedes, not unlike the historical 'Scots' of the first millennium were 'Irish'.
Add to that the statements of Saxo on the origins of Ragnar's family, then add to that the fact that quite a number of famous kings belong to both 'Denmark' and 'Sweden', and add to that the apparent fact that the early 'Swedes' and 'Danes' appear not to have cared greatly who was who, and add to that the fact that part of modern Sweden used to be in Denmark.
Finally there are not a small number of Swedish runestones telling of British adventures! [1] I have more to say but have worn myself out for the moment.
Oh and I don't think the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle specifically says Danes where it mentions the Great Heathen Army. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:14, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Hi Finnrind. Good to find such a good medieval Irish scholar! I need your input on a few matters. 1 - Irish genealogy - are the reference sections too long? 2 - I can't find much genealogical data, even in Leabhar na nGenealach, on the Ostmen. I'm especially interested in ones outside of Dublin such as Waterford and Limerick. Any ideas? 3 - i really would appreciate any thoughts on some of my more recent articles - Leabhar Ua Maine, Nehemiah Donnellan, Maelsechlainn mac Tadhg Ó Cellaigh, Cian d'Fhearaibh Bolg. And what I consider to be my best, Dubhaltach Mac Fhirbhisigh. There's not that many of us working these eras, and I want to get them right. Fergananim ( talk) 06:26, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Good point on references. Some were added really as resources, so I best recatorgise (see, you've helped already!). The bulk of those listed are however extremly pertinent to the subject, and all the more valuable because, incredibly, this seems to be an area utterly overlooked till now.
What's the info in IKHK? There u go again!
I'll try to take a look at those other artcles of yours later, but don't expect to qualified input. Look, if its only correcting grammer and spelling, that will be a help. Nothing on Wikipedia can be considered definitive unless it recieves multiple input. And you are as good as the rest of us, so fire away!
Cheers, you've made my day! Fergananim ( talk) 11:45, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
...I've opened a discussion on reorganisation articles dealing with Irish history at Talk:History of Ireland#RFC: Irish history series. --RA ( talk) 23:12, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
Somehow, while meaning to do that article on Malone, I ended up creating Conchobhar Ua Flaithbheartaigh, King of Iar Connacht 1117- 1132 and Muireadhach Ua Dubhthaigh, Archbishop of Connacht, 1075- 1150. Typical! Fergananim ( talk) 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
I've seen a reference or two to them before, possibly in Byrne, but don't think it is an error. There are several cases like this so you have to rely on the context if not provided with a more "formal definition" of the Irish sept. For example Síl Lugdach can refer to to the Corcu Loígde but also to at least one supposedly unrelated northern sept, I think of the Uí Néill. So some say Síl Lugdach mac Ítha to be specific. But often such multiple occurrences may come out of daughters ("marriages", as the Irish understood them) and other shared ancestry and associations such as fosterage. Further back, if you look deeply enough both the Éoganachta and Uí Néill become more difficult and eventually impossible to distinguish from the Érainn/Dáirine. Intermarriage across the island, and probably across the Irish Sea, was always extensive. Despite arguments for the very ancient and isolated ancestry of the population, the vast majority of Irish genetic lineages are closely related to each other and also closely related to British and Pictish and a great many Continental, including Germanic, lineages and these are all of fairly recent origin in Western Europe, < 4000 yrs BP, with most much younger.
Anyway I've run out of time for the Irish and their pedigrees. As of this morning CERN have protons flying around the Large Hadron Collider at incredible record energies and so I need to finally learn my partial differential equations! Quantum mechanics! Once I've finished helping out the Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project people here at Wikipedia I will probably quit. Before that I can email you a few resources, one of which Fergananim has mentioned, if you would like. Others involve the Vikings. DinDraithou ( talk) 01:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Gilla Críst Ua Máel Eóin Fergananim ( talk) 03:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
Whoops, sorry about that. I'll use edit summaries for things like that in the future.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 07:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
At present, I cannot find anything on him, and reckon that's all there is to be found. Supriseingly, Amhlaeibh isn't a Norse forename, its old Irish. Amalgaid and Amhalghaidh were forms that got utterly mixed up with the Norse Auliffe. See Aulay for more info.
I'm still unsure about how to use the sandbox, but guess I better give it a go! Fergananim ( talk) 15:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
What I've read of that book is magnificant, well worth the re-print. I'll see if I can add some. Good start, though.
I made a start with Ruaidrí Ua Conchobair. Does it help any? Fergananim ( talk) 18:26, 27 March 2010 (UTC)
Sorry! I was about to put the quotation in blockquote tags, but I realized that it was not necessary— WP:MOS asks for blockquote tags only for quotations of four or more lines (and in some other circumstances) and your quotation was only three lines at my screen resolution (1280x1024). I guess I forgot to remove the closing tag. Again, sorry for the mixup. G.W. ( Talk) 18:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
When I added the citations on the Archbishop of Dublin page I should have edited the history section and bishop table. Both sources say "c. 1028" (on the abbreviation pages of each book state "c." = circa). I've now edited the Archbishop of Dublin page to state "in about the same year" in the history section, and "circa" in the bishop table.
The Moody&al source is available via Google books on page 309, but as you'll see it gives basic information about. The Fryde&al source is also available via Google books on page 350. Those two books at Google have limited previews, so you'll find there pages purposely left out.
Also in the history section I've added a reference about when the diocese was established in 1028.
There is another source about Irish bishops, archbishops and other higher clergy "Fasti Ecclesiae Hibernicae: The Succession of the Prelates and Members of the Cathedral Bodies of Ireland" by Henry Cotton. It has six volumes and are available online:
The earlier information about the bishops and archbishops I find is not very reliable, but the later post-Reformation information is more reliable. In volume 2, Diocese of Dublin, pages 7–8, mentions the first seven early bishops, although the diocese didn't exist back then. How much credence to that information is correct I cound'nt say. Also on page 8 mention Donat, the so-called first diocesan bishop. It doesn't mention when he was consecrated, just that he "distinguished himself by building the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity, or Christ Church, about the year 1038".
I'm no expert but I hope this information will be helpful. Regards Scrivener-uki ( talk) 14:00, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Some of the above may be of use. Fergananim ( talk) 13:58, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Apparently it is, though one I've never heard of before. Found it in the source material. Are you thinking of what our freind said, and perhaps dating the section 800-1200? I thought it seemed a good idea. Fergananim ( talk) 23:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
Great to finally have it. I don't have Eiru 1974 either but will look. Fergananim ( talk) 14:07, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
You may find this site useful as they publish a great many books on Irish studies of our era. I'll give you links to a few of the books concerned:
You may already know of it. Don't be too hasty buying, as they are pricy! Fergananim ( talk) 00:12, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
I saw your note about Gaelic Journal but it is only 1168 characters of prose in my estimation so will not quality until it is at least 1500+. A DYK might be: ... that the Gaelic Journal, first published in 1882, was described as being the first journal devoted to the living Irish language. Good luck. ww2censor ( talk) 18:37, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
Materialscientist ( talk) 05:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the link, I'll save that. Actually maybe you ought to take a crack at it the article first. You've got a better grasp at this stuff than I.-- Brianann MacAmhlaidh ( talk) 05:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
I was much impressed with History of Gwynedd during the High Middle Ages and Culture of Gwynedd during the High Middle Ages. I will probably use them as a guide for our Ireland 800-1169/1198?/1200? article. Kingdom of Gwynedd I may yet use in them for the likes of Thomond and other Irish kingdoms. Kinda sad that it takes so long to bring our own rich history to this wiki leval. Fergananim ( talk) 07:54, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
In case it's not on your watchlist, I have edited Gaelic revival back down to its pre-2008 state. If you want to expand it a little based on your reading for the Gaelic Journal article, now would be a good time. As I say on the talk page, what's there at the moment is based on a fairly crappy Brittanica article. If we could find something a bit more authoritative on Thomas Davis and Thomas Moore it could be completely replaced. It's not really what the revival was about anyway - more like background. Scolaire ( talk) 11:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 08:03, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
The DYK project ( nominate) 00:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm much happier with the article now. Thanks for expunging the weasel words. There is a great balance around Giraldus' views now that point to his probable PR. Altogether, very scholarly, readable and balanced. Good work. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 22:27, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
Thx for the info about the unified login, Finnrind! I appreciate your help, and especially the fast response. Great! Gray62 ( talk) 09:03, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
Have started article on Ciannachta. Can you add anything to it? Fergananim ( talk) 06:39, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I have a little question: I have added a link to the article "Conversions of Units" in the section "Free conversion software" and you have deleted it. The link was http://www.sttmedia.com/unitconverter and I think it is a correct link in this section: The tool is free, the tool is portable, you can use pre-defined or custom units and it includes even more units (4500) than the other mentioned tools which are still in this list. So why is this a spam link? Can you explain it to me?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.139.57.42 ( talk) 09:06, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
Just saying hello, and letting you know I'm "still" sort of here, or retured a little, or reborn. Also thank you for watching my pages when I wasn't active. How has your giant Norwegian language project been going? Is it in Bokmål or Nynorsk, or did I already ask that?
Myself I am lazy and do not yet have differential equations. But I have become interested in the interpretations of quantum mechanics, which I only poorly understand so far. Niels Bohr looks like the one to start with and I am preparing to order a volume. And what is nice is that some of those articles need work so I will be able to learn as I improve them. I love Wikipedia. DinDraithou ( talk) 20:22, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
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Hi again. I'll leave these marvelously interesting thoughts here for you. Looking at my wonderful pedigree I've discovered yet one more Óláf, now bringing the total to three or four. Thus I grow increasingly haughty. Add to that about 60 Rognvalds/Raghnalls, if you count my cousins too. Now we know that the dialect of Norse spoken in Limerick and Ireland and elsewhere was Norwegian predominantly, but don't these names also have more Norwegian associations than Danish? And then you see I also had the insight that the later Waterford dynasty had more Raghnalls than historians know what to do with. It seems the name Ivar has more Dano-Swedish associations, but by his time in the late 10th century it was common in the west. Then again the grandfather of Rognvald Eysteinsson was an Ivar. Am I doing this thing again where I've somehow got it all wrong? I wonder from time to time if I don't know what I'm talking about. Anyway I have now given Amlaíb Ua Donnabáin an article, for he seems to have been the one who moved the family south into what would later become the famous Carbery, where we would become filthy rich magnates (and pirates) under the frighteningly rich MacCarthy Reaghs. Nobody has any big money now though thanks to the stupid and worthless Stuarts ( Charles II of England), who gave away most of our estates to little English soldiers three feet tall (rant). Oh and I gave our necromancing navigator Ímar Ua Donnabáin an article too. He and his splendid ship live in a lake. And I have added a touching paragraph to O'Donovan#Norse period. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Ottir Iarla. DinDraithou ( talk) 05:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
I feel so embarrassed for sending you a worthless source! Sorry about that. I found it in Bugge's note, which said something like "For more on this famous viking, see Steenstrup." Anyway. Thank you for taking the trouble. I know you're busy and I very much appreciate it. DinDraithou ( talk) 16:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for adding that about the possible identification. I discovered it too but got a little confused, and then got sidetracked. The Lidwiccians are a great find with a silly sounding name and they should absolutely be included. I think it is fairly established that this person was everywhere and of as much consequence as an Uí Ímair dynast. Do you think the article should be renamed? Personally I like the sound of it more than the English. DinDraithou ( talk) 17:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
User:Urselius has now given us a fine new article on his probable ancestor, but there are some questions about his successors. I have done a lot of the research already, which you can find in Talk:Óttar of Dublin if you have the time. DinDraithou ( talk) 16:05, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
You might enjoy. DinDraithou ( talk) 23:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Just in case Urselius is unavailable, I have sent you the volume (original credit User:Brianann_MacAmhlaidh). Cheers! DinDraithou ( talk) 15:31, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
Talk:John_of_Islay,_Earl_of_Ross#Titles. DinDraithou ( talk) 22:14, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Re: your comment on
User talk:Scolaire
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Finn, with respect I disagree with you. I know you are trying to help Scolaire but I have to point out that the tone of my comments while terse and direct (if a little 'curt' - which I will address), contains no superfluous language (other than perhaps "I'm afraid I have to warn" - which could have been "I am warning", but the former is less aggressive) and is not 'pompous' (or 'condescending' for that matter). Unless you can support that accusation of pomposity I'll ask you to please rephrase that remark.
Forgive me if I misunderstand you but it seems you infer that I have belittled Scolaire - I don't see how. These warnings
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[6] are very short and to-the-point. They address remarks made by Scolaire nothing else. As Scolaire is an experienced user a lengthy post on 'why avoiding insulting remarks is a good idea' was inappropriate (and would have been patronizing, as much as a template would have been), hence the shortness of the warnings.
Also by way of context the area in which Scolaire was warned is under probation (British isles naming dispute) that means policies will be strictly enforced and is under heavy scrutiny by sysops. Failure of users involved in the area under dispute "to get it" about policy is even more frowned upon than outside of it. Again I realize you have Scolaire's best interest at heart in defending them but they escalated this matter by making an incivil and unnecessary response to a to-the-point warning. I recognize the good faith of their redacting the remark to LevenBoy (hence my hesitancy to issue a level 3 warning) but the manner of their response to me was not advisable after a warning. The fact is incivility between users in this topic area is at an untenable level, and further incivility breeds worst incivility & more disruption. Strict interventions will be made until the users involved in incivil discourse stop using it.
Sorry for the length of my post but I thought your response was thoughtful and needed a proper reply; and I will try to be a little less curt to users like Scolaire in future--
Cailil
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Spotted your com. to Scolaire. I just picked up a 1920 copy of Phases of Irish Historylast week. Haven't had much time to go through it at any length, but, from the intro, his views on 'Race' as cultural constructs rather than biologically fixed seem to me far ahead of his time. If you need any refs. from this publication on your expansion of the article, let me know. Best. RashersTierney ( talk) 19:48, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
I have finally begun with Magnus III of Norway. What has happened with Alexander Bugge? DinDraithou ( talk) 22:23, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
Alexander Bugge. DinDraithou ( talk) 04:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to express my appreciation for all the time and effort you devoted in improving that article I started, especially on such short notice. Good ideas and fresh eyes definitely made it a better article. Best Regards, Notuncurious ( talk) 23:55, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
I have emailed you something! DinDraithou ( talk) 05:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi,
I just remembered something that might amuse you. It is a piece of rhyme from Shetland in the local extinct variety of Norse, I found it in an old book some time ago. The spelling is approximate!
Barn vill ikka teea, barn vill ikka teea, takkan leggan slog an veggan, barn vill ikka teea!
Regards, Urselius ( talk) 13:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not going to spam a lot of talk pages, nor am I going to be online at wikipedia during Christmas. So I'm wishing all my fellow editors at Wikipedia "Merry Christmas" on my own talkpage, if I know you well enough that you'd appreciate such a greeting you should be wathcing my talk :) Finn Rindahl ( talk) 21:16, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Corrected your addition at Inner Hebrides, which I trust you don't mind per your User page! "The Inner Hebrides" is a singular archipelago, but "I can see 12 Inner Hebrides from my bedroom window" is also OK as a plural. After I foolishly made some edits to Kings of Mann and the Isles, DinDraithou has recently sent me a small library of stuff by email which apparently is partly thanks to you (see my talk page), so my thanks also. Ben Mac Dui 09:52, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
I think you should check the above listed articles -included international references- and make some conclusions about "personal" attacks from norwegian librarians against internationally wellknown writers. Thanks -- Lolox76 ( talk) 17:08, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you for your helpful edits to the new article I created, at The Mystery of a Hansom Cab. Much appreciated! ;) Cheers, -- Cirt ( talk) 18:25, 7 February 2011 (UTC)