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I have tried to deal with as many of the issues brought up in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Staten Island Railway/archive2, by removing duplicate sources, or finding better sources. I don't know why images from nycsubway.org or Curbed wouldn't work. The same goes for Ed Bommer's work. This is very hypocritical. Bommer's work is cited in the Pitanza book, but it only isn't WP:OR if it is in book format. The pictures that Pitanza takes on nycsubway.org are OR, but not when they have been "fact checked" by Arcadia. I don't know how I should go about doing this. They don't trust Bommer because he hasn't submitted his work to a publisher due to WP:SPS–he has done extensive research in the field for decades, through experience, interviews with employees, by sifting through archives in person–he told me it was a lot harder pre-Internet, and by going through newspapers. His work is more extensive than the Pitanza book, and is used as a source for it, but is deemed OR, and unreliable. This might seem like a rant, but this is a fundamental problem with the GA and FA processes on Wikipedia, and unless I redo all the research done over decades by Bommer or publish his work in a book there is no way that article will ever become an FA.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 20:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
In addition, I could use some advice concerning MOS:LEADCITE. Thanks. Sorry to bombard you with stuff like this.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 20:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey just an fyi - I'm working on creating a map of the terminal; it really seems to need one in order for people to understand where things are. I'm just using the basic shapes from the official directory, with less focus on shops and more on different areas and other buildings. Will take a while though... ɱ (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm using a variety of maps, but mostly the two most-detailed/up-to-date: Google Maps and the MTA directory. I noticed some discrepancies between the two:
If you notice any other significant differences, please let me know! ɱ (talk) 17:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
( ←) Also, on a random note, do you want to add in the history draft that Michael Jordan's Steakhouse closed? see here. It had a long history and notability clearly, but adding this and Metrazur opens the doors to adding about every business ever open or closed in GCT. Maybe just list the notable ones? I also found out that there was a Kitty Kelly (shoe/women's fashion?) store near the shuttle ramp, and thus that ramp is/was known as the Kitty Kelly ramp, according to one NYT article and the MTA. Not great sourcing, and I dunno if this is still used/worth putting in the article... ɱ (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Can you help me clean up this article? I think it is really important because it seems like everyone is running for this.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 14:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
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Happy 2019! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
http://carter.gamerspage.net/Grand_Central_Terminal/large-24.html Take a look! - ɱ (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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Hey Epicgenius - it's not too much a big deal, but can we please keep the citations in one style? I standardized them all earlier, and now it appears you're changing some. I order the parameters like MLA or Chicago would: Last name, first name, title, newspaper/website/work, publisher, url, date, accessdate. And I've been removing extra spaces there and in the refname area. Is that okay to stick with? I also think it displays more compact on desktops and laptops, with the url mostly on its own line, it takes up less room! Best,
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17:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Here's what I usually use, and just copy and paste and add in the info:
<ref name="">{{cite web|last=|first=|title=|website=|publisher=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news|last=|first=|title=|newspaper=|publisher=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite book|last=|first=|title=|publisher=|page=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024|isbn=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal|last=|first=|title=|journal=|publisher=|volume=|number=|page=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024|isbn=}}</ref>
Is that okay as a standard for the main, art, and history articles? Any other thoughts? ɱ (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
<ref name="">{{cite web|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|website=|publisher=|accessdate=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|newspaper=|accessdate=January 12, 2019|publisher=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite book|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|publisher=|isbn=|page=|accessdate=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal|last=|first=|date=|title=|url=|journal=|publisher=|volume=|page=|isbn=|accessdate=January 12, 2019|number=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite web | last= | first= | title= | website= | date= | url= | access-date=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
I found a goldmine for creating these maps: here. Means I'll be revising the current ones, and still working on the balcony level map. ɱ (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey. Glad to meet you yesterday. Since you couldn't make it earlier in the day, just letting you know that a picture you uploaded of WTC Cordlandt was included in the slideshow of photos of NY by NY wikiphotographers (it ran in the morning and during lunch). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
HJ Mitchell has looked at it, and I have made progress on some of their suggestions. One of them was that likewise, books and other multi-page sources are usually listed in a separate bibliography and cited short form inline.
I have not used any citation format other than the normal one. Is he asking for Harvard referencing? In any case, how would I go about doing this. Thanks.--
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So this would be how you use it: epicgenius ( talk) 00:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
The sky is blue.<ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2005|p=IDK}}</ref>
The sky is blue.
[1]
or
The sky is blue.{{sfn|Smith|2005|p=IDK2}}
The sky is blue.
[2]
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I nominated this a while back, but I am very concerned that a user with 67 edits, who has been editing since December 28 took it up and passed it without looking thoroughly at the article at all. Who should I go to at GA to get this fixed? Thanks.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 16:34, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jones and Beach station. Cards84664 (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Epicgenius, what are your plans for work on the Grand Central articles? Are you ready to nominate the main one? I'm still slugging away with these maps, and it's taking a lot longer than I would've thought, but I'll get there. I also still have at least 20-30 articles/websites that have content I might add... ɱ (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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I have tried to deal with as many of the issues brought up in Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Staten Island Railway/archive2, by removing duplicate sources, or finding better sources. I don't know why images from nycsubway.org or Curbed wouldn't work. The same goes for Ed Bommer's work. This is very hypocritical. Bommer's work is cited in the Pitanza book, but it only isn't WP:OR if it is in book format. The pictures that Pitanza takes on nycsubway.org are OR, but not when they have been "fact checked" by Arcadia. I don't know how I should go about doing this. They don't trust Bommer because he hasn't submitted his work to a publisher due to WP:SPS–he has done extensive research in the field for decades, through experience, interviews with employees, by sifting through archives in person–he told me it was a lot harder pre-Internet, and by going through newspapers. His work is more extensive than the Pitanza book, and is used as a source for it, but is deemed OR, and unreliable. This might seem like a rant, but this is a fundamental problem with the GA and FA processes on Wikipedia, and unless I redo all the research done over decades by Bommer or publish his work in a book there is no way that article will ever become an FA.
Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 20:16, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
In addition, I could use some advice concerning MOS:LEADCITE. Thanks. Sorry to bombard you with stuff like this.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 20:28, 21 December 2018 (UTC)
Hey just an fyi - I'm working on creating a map of the terminal; it really seems to need one in order for people to understand where things are. I'm just using the basic shapes from the official directory, with less focus on shops and more on different areas and other buildings. Will take a while though... ɱ (talk) 19:23, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
I'm using a variety of maps, but mostly the two most-detailed/up-to-date: Google Maps and the MTA directory. I noticed some discrepancies between the two:
If you notice any other significant differences, please let me know! ɱ (talk) 17:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
( ←) Also, on a random note, do you want to add in the history draft that Michael Jordan's Steakhouse closed? see here. It had a long history and notability clearly, but adding this and Metrazur opens the doors to adding about every business ever open or closed in GCT. Maybe just list the notable ones? I also found out that there was a Kitty Kelly (shoe/women's fashion?) store near the shuttle ramp, and thus that ramp is/was known as the Kitty Kelly ramp, according to one NYT article and the MTA. Not great sourcing, and I dunno if this is still used/worth putting in the article... ɱ (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
Can you help me clean up this article? I think it is really important because it seems like everyone is running for this.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 14:48, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
![]() | |
Five years! |
---|
Happy 2019! -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 08:11, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
http://carter.gamerspage.net/Grand_Central_Terminal/large-24.html Take a look! - ɱ (talk) 02:16, 10 January 2019 (UTC)
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Hey Epicgenius - it's not too much a big deal, but can we please keep the citations in one style? I standardized them all earlier, and now it appears you're changing some. I order the parameters like MLA or Chicago would: Last name, first name, title, newspaper/website/work, publisher, url, date, accessdate. And I've been removing extra spaces there and in the refname area. Is that okay to stick with? I also think it displays more compact on desktops and laptops, with the url mostly on its own line, it takes up less room! Best,
ɱ
(talk)
17:09, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
Here's what I usually use, and just copy and paste and add in the info:
<ref name="">{{cite web|last=|first=|title=|website=|publisher=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news|last=|first=|title=|newspaper=|publisher=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite book|last=|first=|title=|publisher=|page=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024|isbn=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal|last=|first=|title=|journal=|publisher=|volume=|number=|page=|url=|date=|accessdate=July 16, 2024|isbn=}}</ref>
Is that okay as a standard for the main, art, and history articles? Any other thoughts? ɱ (talk) 17:13, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
<ref name="">{{cite web|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|website=|publisher=|accessdate=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite news|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|newspaper=|accessdate=January 12, 2019|publisher=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite book|url=|title=|last=|first=|date=|publisher=|isbn=|page=|accessdate=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite journal|last=|first=|date=|title=|url=|journal=|publisher=|volume=|page=|isbn=|accessdate=January 12, 2019|number=}}</ref>
<ref name="">{{cite web | last= | first= | title= | website= | date= | url= | access-date=January 12, 2019}}</ref>
I found a goldmine for creating these maps: here. Means I'll be revising the current ones, and still working on the balcony level map. ɱ (talk) 21:16, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey. Glad to meet you yesterday. Since you couldn't make it earlier in the day, just letting you know that a picture you uploaded of WTC Cordlandt was included in the slideshow of photos of NY by NY wikiphotographers (it ran in the morning and during lunch). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 14:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
HJ Mitchell has looked at it, and I have made progress on some of their suggestions. One of them was that likewise, books and other multi-page sources are usually listed in a separate bibliography and cited short form inline.
I have not used any citation format other than the normal one. Is he asking for Harvard referencing? In any case, how would I go about doing this. Thanks.--
Kew Gardens 613 (
talk)
18:31, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
So this would be how you use it: epicgenius ( talk) 00:52, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
The sky is blue.<ref>{{harvnb|Smith|2005|p=IDK}}</ref>
The sky is blue.
[1]
or
The sky is blue.{{sfn|Smith|2005|p=IDK2}}
The sky is blue.
[2]
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I nominated this a while back, but I am very concerned that a user with 67 edits, who has been editing since December 28 took it up and passed it without looking thoroughly at the article at all. Who should I go to at GA to get this fixed? Thanks.-- Kew Gardens 613 ( talk) 16:34, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
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Please take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jones and Beach station. Cards84664 (talk) 04:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
Hey Epicgenius, what are your plans for work on the Grand Central articles? Are you ready to nominate the main one? I'm still slugging away with these maps, and it's taking a lot longer than I would've thought, but I'll get there. I also still have at least 20-30 articles/websites that have content I might add... ɱ (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
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