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You have some good source material, perhaps could create a "history" section and expand on Bucking bull in general? Montanabw (talk) 08:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs)NEW NOTE: Again I typed too fast. What I meant to say, is that the PBR probably DID NOT include Bodacious on their Top 10 list because his career was mostly PRCA, not PBR. The fans don't care, they want him on all greatest bulls lists. And what I also meant to confer about Bushwacker's number of views is that it is quite a lot considering it's a stub of 3 sentences. LOL. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Feel free to post over at my talk page any time if you want to draw additional reviewers. The main thing is just to enjoy what you are doing. I'll tell you, it's a real blast to see pageview stats: When I worked on California Chrome and American Pharoah, I realized that "my" work was getting more readership than the stuff in any specialty press publication. Montanabw (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs)I thought that moving up to 75 was a lot. And you know, the watchlist and emails don't always work. They miss notifying you sometimes. I run across topics that have been changed, and I know I didn't notified on them. I do really want to watch the ones that I have in my list so far. But the warning is well heeded, believe me. Thanks to the good 'ole bots! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Hope I didn't take too big a whack at Challenge of the Champions. Most of what I did was to conform the article better to the MOS -- using last names instead of first names, moving a couple things to spots where they seemed to "flow" better, some minor rewording, and consolidating sources when the same source was used (usually you only have to source every sentence when each sentence has a different source; if someone nags me about one source for an entire paragraph, I add hidden text that says "this source is for the entire paragraph" or "this source is for the preceding two sentences" or whatever the other editor is worked up about... (it looks like this: <!--hidden text format-->) If you ever run into a person who is being, WP:TENDENTIOUS, then you can repeat the same source for every sentence, but it's generally not necessary. I didn't know about that matchup, and it was a cool article to read! Montanabw (talk) 21:40, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to try and be around more. Holler about anything you need now. I'm moving your HOF article to mainspace I think it's ready to go. Montanabw (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Dawn don't let the biting and templating get you down. There is always someone like this who doesn’t know the rules and gets over-zealous. Deep breaths and you will in fact, handle this rodeo and make it to the buzzer! Montanabw (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh, thank you for explaining all this. It's very enlightening. I'd like to get the right that approves my pages when I have 25 or more articles written. I don't necessarily want the right to approve other's pages. I'm not sure I want to learn all of the criteria for that. I'll see how I feel when that time comes. It's good to know that there is a special feed, I didn't know that. However, all of my articles had quotes in them, not sure Red Wolf had more than any of the others that it would have been triggered into the special feed or not. Anyway, that issue won't happy again, that's for sure! :) Thanks for taking time to explain all of that. Good luck on your list article. dawnleelynn (talk) 02:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Dawnleelynn - for future reference, I just wanted to give you a heads-up that NCHA cutting and the NCHA itself are not rodeo, so I removed the rodeo categories. See the list of rodeo events. Warmest regards... Atsme 📞 📧 05:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I took a whack at the categories and hope I didn't screw up what you had in mind. I created Category:Rodeo competition series and Category:Rodeo-affiliated events for the things that don't really fit as individual rodeos -- they only have one article in each, but I suspect more can be moved in there. I also put the {{ Category diffuse}} template on the Rodeo and Rodeo performers categories, as they are sort of the "container" categories for all the others -- if we have under 200 rodeo articles total, we technically don't need to go crazy with creating 10 trillion small categories to move everything out, but I'm also not sure we really want those categories to be completely non-diffusing, either... at least, not rodeo (maybe rodeo performers could double-dip, given that some people compete in multiple events... ) I'm thinking that regardless of what goes where, we want to have the structure set up for the area to grow because it really sucks to move a lot of articles (I wish I could find a WP tool like "cat-a-lot" in commons...but I don't think there is one) -- for example, WikiProject Horse racing now has about 10,000 (!) articles and it's also a screaming mess... the categorization scheme is so confusing that it gets very difficult to even know what category to put a horse racing article into sometimes. :-P Montanabw (talk) 05:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I completely see the need for it. :) dawnleelynn (talk) 21:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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A special thank you for your enthusiasm and good work with all the Rodeo articles and categories. Atsme 📞 📧 18:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC) |
No problem, Dawn, and thanks for fixing the links. I don't use Visual Editor, so I don't know how to change it; maybe somebody at the Teahouse or help desk who uses it knows what to do. It's good to see that the rodeo articles are receiving some attention, although I make it a rule not to join WikiProjects. I need to remain unbiased in case I review or must make a decision on promoting a page in a given WikiProject's territory, and feel that I can still help the WikiProjects with my editing. As for your list, it's off to a pretty good start. Many of the newer featured lists have references in a devoted column, so you might consider adding one to your list. In addition, when you add more references for inductees, try seeing if there are any news articles that will verify the inductees; right now, all of the cites are to the Hall of Fame itself, and it would be best to have at least a few secondary sources. Older years may be tough, but for some of the recent inductees there should be some coverage out there. Good luck with developing the list, and maybe I'll see you at FLC one day. Giants2008 ( Talk) 22:46, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Debating whether to add bull riding to the pickup rider article as a separate section and maybe the categories -- they don't have pickup riders, per se, but there are guys on horseback herding any recalcitrant bulls around, at least at PRCA rodeos -- usually the same guys hired as pickup riders. But I dunno because I don't watch a lot of PBR, more live PRCA stuff... Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) I found a source that says the guys that escort bulls to the exit are pickup men too. They are called pickup men too or they are the same, no matter the origin, the nomenclature is the same, which is what we care about. And I'm happy to be wrong, LOL.
http://www.hotfair.com/p/events/prca-rodeo/222
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) I've moved I think 5 or 6 articles out of Rodeo performers (other) into specific categories. But two of the articles I could only get as specific as bronc riders and couldn't find if they were saddle or bareback. So I put them in your new category Bronc riders. I also identified two that were cutting horse performers so I left a message on Atmes' page. You can look at my contribs to see what I did or I can give you the wikilinks to the article if you want them. I don't know how detailed you want to see. I'll do some more later.
I saw your request for review of your latest bull article on Montanabw's talk, so I thought I'd post here. It's certainly good enough to do a DYK on, so here are some tips:
I hope you nominate it. I've had 27 that ran on the main page, not countingCite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
help page).
coon hunting which has been passed but hasn't been promoted or run yet. As far as I know, we've never had a bucking bull on the main page since I've been here.
White Arabian Filly
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White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) I just added the four I am considering to Talk:Bones (bull). Btw, the source for the DYK that I like the best, where Bones exercises in a revolving sand pit, is shown on a YouTube video here: [5]. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
On 20 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bones (bull), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the owner of World Champion bucking bull Bones exercised him in a mechanized circular walker in a deep sand pit? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bones (bull). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Bones (bull)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly
Hey y'all, my Bones DKY is running right now! :) for the date of May 20, 2017. dawnleelynn (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Hi, yes I missed you, thanks for letting me know. I can relate. We had 24 hours of snow here from Friday through Saturday here. LOL. But I can relate to the thunderstorm weather from where I grew up and lived the earlier part of my adult life in the Northeast. That's pretty cool about the pageviews. I tried to check it last night after the DYK had stopped running, but the results hadn't been posted yet. That seems like pretty darn good results! I had a few stragglers edit Bones' page and one edit another bull page. I didn't think about the fact that some of the people who saw the DYK might come in for some edits, LOL. But that's ok, I told montanabw I was too isolated in here anyway. I'm close to finishing Charmayne James in my sandbox now. I'll put her up with the bridleless go-round as the DYK, maybe next week. I just put some polish on Scamper; I'm really happy with that article now. Oh, and that Preakness race was quite the upset. dawnleelynn (talk) 21:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Hey dawn, I want to alert you to my buddy PumpkinSky, who is a really terrific and experienced editor, and who might be interested in your bull riding and cowboy articles, particularly the hall of fame one you are still sandboxing. He's done several featured articles and featured lists, was inactive for awhile, but now is back. Anyway, it's always good to expand your network of helpful people, plus he's very good with more advanced wikipedia syntax and markup. We worked together on the Yogo sapphire article and it was a real good collaboration; what wikipedia is all about. Montanabw (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Hi montanabw and WAF! montanabw and I were thinking this article needs to go live after one more review. WAF, montanabw plans to review it today. You are welcome to, at your option, as well. It's not a lot of text to review as it's a list article. You actually helped me get it started. It's List of ProRodeo Hall of Fame inductees in my sandbox. After it's reviewed, if someone could patrol it, that would be great. Then I'll move it to mainspace. I'm not inclined right now to do anything else to make it more flashy. Maybe later. Thanks for your help girls! It wouldn't even be this nice without your help. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Atsme ( talk · contribs) Howdy rodeo fans! I'm doing an expansion to Cheyenne Frontier Days, heaven knows it needs one. I've added a bunch but it still has a long way to go. I've not added anything about rodeo or FrontierNight yet, just the side events. You can easily go to see what it looked like before I started adding anything at an early version because I just started a couple days ago. Whenever you have a few minutes here or there in the next few weeks, take a look and make some edits if you feel like it. No need to ask, just edit. And remember, I am always willing to return the favor. A rodeo article is a big effort, and could use more than one pair of eyes on it. And it's a shame for one of the biggest and best to be lacking any depth while the Calgary Stampede is a featured article. Thanks for listening. I was thinking I could do a decent job since I have attended many times and I live here now. The goal is to finish at least a couple weeks before the next event, which is the last full week of July. Happy Trails! :))
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Many thanks for all the work you're doing on categories and citations for the project!! Atsme 📞 📧 18:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC) |
Atsme Thank you Atsme, that is very sweet of you. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I moved Charmayne James to mainspace. I'd recommend adding a wee bit more about her post-Scamper career with the other barrel horse and maybe consider trimming some of the material that was moved in from the Scamper article to focus more on her than the horse. Other than that, maybe have Atsme or someone look it over and then if you want to do a DYK nom, go for it, would be fun to have rodeo on the main page. Montanabw (talk) 19:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
One other thought. montanabw has always told me that one way to get in some content about, for example, how great a bull was, is to have others say it, like a bull rider or the livestock director of the PBR, which he often does, usually by quoting or paraphrasing him. Or just saying the article says... things like that, but keep it to a minimum also. Sometimes you just have to let the facts speak for themselves. Obviously if a bull won the world champ bull title three times and only two bulls have ever done it, it should be obvious that he's a great bull. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
AtsmeOh yes, that's totally my bad. It's been a stickler for me writing about her when she's being inducted this year. I really stuffed the pooch on that one. Totally not your fault. I did exactly what you just said. I take total responsibility for that. Trying to write it that way, yet not have to come back did not work out. Sorry!! I should have said so earlier! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Completely my fault, not yours at all! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Or, this:
https://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/CCS_activevoice.html
Note this example specifically which emulates the one I am talking about with the induction.
Website example:
Active: The dog bit the man.
Passive: The man was bitten by the dog.
My issue:
Active: The ProRodeo Hall of Fame inducted Scamper in 1996.
Passive: Scamper was inducted by the ProRodeo Hall of Fame in 1996.
This is not having to do with verb tense but rather keeping the subject the actor instead of being acted upon. One of many types of active voice.
dawnleelynn
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22:08, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme LOL, it must be frustrating, and I do know how you feel. Really. In my 20 years working in software development, most of it was as a technical writer. But I also did some training and QA as well. My skills at explaining things are only exceedingly good because it was my job in writing software documentation for so long. You can't succeed doing documentation and get paid for it for 15 years if you are not doing a good job. But doing it in training and QA was extremely frustrating. However, not all of the skills seemed to have translated well here. Plus, I have not been working for several years, so am out of practice. You are right, I am much more accepting of taking edits. But believe me, in the beginning I was just as headstrong about taking edits as you were. I was very defensive and hurt at first in taking edits, but after 15 years, you are long past taking exception to both substantial and copy edits. It's just another day at work. But I do admit when my co-worker in one job got promoted to manager about halfway through my career, she came with the active voice baggage and she was so strict with it, it made me crazy at first. I really thought she was overdoing it. She practically forbade the verb of being and past tense altogether... yeah, that's right. But I did come to see the value of active voice over passive voice in moderation and it really does improve your writing and you can use it without getting extreme about it like she did. I am trying to learn from you, I promise. I am willing to take all the edits for the Charmayne James article, I will not oppose any. For two reasons. 1. To learn. 2. It will improve the article. The article is more important than my ego. And so, I'm staring at the article. Did you want me to tweak the lead section, is that what you meant? I've got about 45 minutes before dinner. lol Words cannot say how much I appreciate your help. I will owe you a big one for this. Oh yes, montanabw got me to the point where I was just using one citation per paragraph if that paragraph was based only on one source. I really could use some more education on citing, though I think. dawnleelynn (talk) 23:20, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Yes, I needed a reminder that the NFR is based on money earnings, duh, I knew that...but hadn't thought about it in awhile. Once you know that, the rest of what you say falls into place pretty easily. It's the foundation of what you need to understand the rest. I also know about winning the average and that being a separate thing that can be won at the NFR. I do get it now. As I have opportunity to edit existing articles in future, I will correct the way titles are referred to in them. I'm glad you brought this subject up. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Ok, I will see what I can do in James now for awhile. And address Clayton too.
Hey there!
Atsme White Arabian Filly montanabw
I wanted to make you (Atsme and WAF) both aware of an error I found. Montanabw knows. It's all explained on this bot's page. But, basically the Visual Source Editor is creating empty parameters in citations when adding them. And this bot was thinking that the empty parameter for the archiveurl= meant it should be turned into a weird not dead link archive link, my bad, but reversed. It's weird, you have to see one to understand.
/info/en/?search=User_talk:GreenC_bot#Bot_doesn.27t_like_citations_from_Visual_Source_Editor.3F
For sure, the bot will be or is already fixed so it does not do this anymore. However, the past mistakes it already made are out there in articles and you may encounter them sometime in your travels.
Now I corrected all of these issues in the Rodeo articles. I did this because I got access to the AutoWikiBrowser. I used the powerful Search and Replace feature in this tool to search for all of the empty parameters that the Visual Source Editor creates in citations and removed them. Now a bot can't find these parameters and turn a perfectly good URL into an archive link.
To see an example of what I did, the best one is my article List of ProRodeo Hall of Fame inductees.
I could also potentially use this tool to help out editors. To do things, like rename the category in all the articles it is in one fell swoop. This tool has helped me many times since I got access to it. It does lots of things. But its most powerful feature is definitely the search and replace. Also, I saved the text of that section into a text file on my computer so I always have access to it. I know it will not always be readily available. So, yes let me know if I can ever help you with a task by using AWB.
Just a heads up. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme ( talk · contribs) Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) I thought this article in my sandbox was patrolled so I moved it out to mainspace. I forgot a link to the article, it's Mossy Oak Mudslinger. It just got reviewed and slapped with a notability tag. I added some notability information in the talk page. If you can spare a minute anyone, please see if you can add anything. Thanks! This article should not need notability questioning. The bull is a 2006 PBR World Champion bull AND a PBR Heroes and Legends Brand of Honor bull of which we have 5 articles in existence already. The Brand of Honor is equivalent to a hall of fame designation in the PBR, the highest honor the PBR can give a bull. Appreciate just a comment or whatever, thanks all. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Howdy and Happy Sunday all. Atsme took care of this issue and in the nicest way possible. I still have much to learn about the notability guidelines. I mean when it comes to having your topic reviewing and what to say to a reviewer like she did when she addressed the reviewer of my article on his page. She also removed the notability tag from my article. Obviously, since it's my article, I can't remove the tag. Atsme, it sounds like you are familiar with this bull. I love how you described him in the edit summary and on the reviewer's page! He was one bad hombre. Thank you! And, btw, looking at the article, I'm seeing puffery that needs removed, which I will do later this week. It comes from our work on Charmayne James me thinks. :)) dawnleelynn (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Thanks, I appreciate that while I am milling around in there, LOL. I can only say wow to all of your links. It will take me some time to digest it all. But it is all so cool! I recognized without all of that that you were far ahead of me in knowledge about horses and rodeo. I saw that great link and information you added in James lead section about AQHA. That's some wonderful history you have and it's good to look back on it and enjoy the memories. I truly appreciate you sharing them with me. After all your help and now this, just makes my day! I just finished an edit to James, but will come back in a bit later. I edited the lead and made it chronological and made two sections - one for James and one for Scamper. And I totally redid Clayton's section.
Oh, also, I am definitely not a rodeo anything except through what I have taught myself. But I have loved bull riding a long time and I have taught myself about it, both old school and new. So I know who the Gays are, they are both Legends of Pro Rodeo as well as hall of famers. I used to watch Don back when he was a PBR announcer. And it was due to Lane Frost and Red Rock that I started watching bull riding. :)) dawnleelynn (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Hi, yes you were at it a long time, goodness. And I can only say "Wow!" at the result. It's getting close to dinner, but I will edit when I can in the early to mid-evening and assume you won't be coming back for quite awhile. I'll go put the inuse tag on it right after I finish this comment. I've got about 1/2 hour to do a bit of editing. I'm not sure I know what you mean regarding "citing information to autobiographical material." And I've never heard the rule about only listing the top 5 or so major awards - montanabw never mentioned it. What about honors, do they count in that 5. I mean, for example, like a bull rider, I list awards he's won his championships and finals, etc. And then separately I list as honors all the halls of fame he's been inducted into and etc.. So, honors and awards are two separate lists I add. I don't know of any fair use images but that doesn't mean there aren't any. I will see if I can find anything tomorrow? I asked White Arabian Filly about the infobox, she creates them, she created a bull infoxbox for me. She might know of a suitable one. This is my first article about a person, so I had a lot to learn. I have only created articles about animals before now and edited articles about people. So, yes forgive my mistakes here. Actually, James' awards were all listed in order in the articles "Scamper's Stats with Charmayne James" and on her web site. As for the halls of fame, I am a pro doing that from long before I did this article. I've been doing it for all of the rodeo performers awhile now, and I've even developed a file with most of them in it, that I can search for their name and find the halls they are in. I just have to update each year with new inductions. Ok, yes, I may have some more questions later so I don't mess up anything you've done. Thanks so much... dawnleelynn (talk) 23:39, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme There's a media guide that is accessible to all on the PRCA website. I wasn't able to find much on James that we could use as a secondary source for awards, just this one: [10] You can access the guides from the Nav Bar on the home page under Media. Each section is a separat PDF. If you search the PDF for Charmayne, it will bring up a few records for Scamper. You might have to download the PDF to search in it, depends what reader you are using. The award is for AQHA/PRCA Horses of the Year, 1989-2015. He won WPRA/GB in 1989 - 1993. And also it lists AQHA/PRCA Horses of the Year: records - Barrel racing 5 wins: 1989-93, Charmayne James, which, I think is just saying the total of the listings before. So there's one source we could potentially use as another secondary source. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly WAF, how kind of you to offer. I am pretty sure you are aware that I have never done one of these before. I would want to make sure Atsme gets credit for her part in this article, she's done more of the editing than I have at this point. She's done her best mentoring me, and I can only hope that I will be able to pick it it all up with practice. I am almost 100 percent positive that you have not edited this article, and 100 percent positive that you edited Scamper's article. I would love some help with having a co-nom as it's my first time. I'm sure that doing a horse trainer would have some similarities to doing a barrel racer. Remember, I've not done a barrel racer either. And, we can always ask Atsme for help if we need to, she used to be a barrel racer for awhile when she was younger. So, we should be okay. I'll get to work on the remaining issues as I can. I can hopefully finish those today. I was trying to get a photo, but I'm not having any luck yet. One of the two of them would have been nice. I admit all I've done so far is fair use photos for deceased bulls. Anyway, thank you big time. montanabw suggested earlier I might get Jlvsclrk to do a peer review, tell her that we are asking her per montanabw's request as she's so busy in the real world, so we can keep that mind once I finish edits. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Let's break this process into a new section. Just so you know, this article is out for DYK, actually. I put it out right after montanabw moved it to mainspace for me, which she did as there was already a page named Charmayne James already which was a redirect to Scamper. I nominated it before Atsme got involved, and we decided to shoot for GA quality in the article. The hook is regarding the bridleless win, what else? :). Wow, your horse didn't want to barrel race. According to James, Scamper took right to it. It's the same with bucking bulls, some want to buck and others just stand there after they put that dummy on their back. Anyhow, I will check the articles out. But since Atsme is a good article reviewer herself and has many articles pass GA, we should be okay, I"m sure she will keep an eye out a little bit too. I don't think I'm going to be able to find a photo since Charmayne is still alive. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:06, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Hi, yes, go ahead and nominate as soon as you are ready. I'm ready today or tomorrow, depending on when montanabw answers. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly WAF, hey thanks for getting back to me about editing it while it is waiting to be picked up for GA review. It's still waiting for the DYK too, my first DYK on Bones took awhile as well. That's okay, plenty else to do in the meantime. :) dawnleelynn (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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How did I miss this? Anyway it's done for anyone who is watching my page. Off to bed, it's late! dawnleelynn (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
On 23 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charmayne James, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that ProRodeo Hall of Fame barrel racer Charmayne James still managed to win the round when her horse Scamper's bridle fell off? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charmayne James. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Charmayne James), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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dawnleelynn, I'm following up here, as it seems Montanabw closed the page before I could reply. I've never even heard of WP:TALKSTALK. This is new to me, and if I would have known it, I would have responded a different way. Chastisting me for not doing something you assume I know to do is part of the problem. I have no ill-will toward Atsme. I don't know her, wasn't attacking her, nor did I inquire anything about her. So, your glowing words for her weren't about me...but about you showing favor/friendship upon her. And that's part of the problem on Wiki to. Lack of objectivism. Everyone who's "been around for a while" supports each other, without question. Penetrating that wall, as someone relatively new...well, it's virtually impossible. Minds are already made up...and you're taunted/shamed for daring to make any complaint against :one of their own." Beyond that, now, that I know about WP: TALKSTALK (thank you for educating me), I will handle things different going forward. As for Montanabw, perhaps if she would have presented herself in a more helpful manner to me, versus belittling me and accusing me of things I did not do, the situation would have been more apt for me to learn from her, rather than to learn of her. This is about civility and respect. If I broke the rules...fine. Explain that to me (as other editors did) in a civil and respectful way, and don't treat me differently by holding me to standards you have a track record of not ever holding for yourself. Yet, in asking for this, I've been treated as some indignant troublemaker...when I have never acted outside of good faith in any of my dealings on Wiki. And just for the record, I did not commit WP:SOAPBOX and WP:UNDUE, as Atsme implied. I'm not some social justice warrior. But given the strength of Wiki bias, I get why my efforts to be factually accurate, when it comes to matters of race, etc. are futile...unless they fit within a certain worldview. No one has ever had any issue with an edit I've made of a "black" or "Hispanic" page...because those are "sub-pages." And there's never any controversy when these facts are excluded from the places they should, according to history, be. The "issues" occur only when one tries to include them. And then...sit back an watch as the myriad of reasons for why "your edit doesn't work" pour in. I've found that I've been able to edit anything I want, without issue, so long as my edits don't challenge that certain worldview...regardless of how accurate my edit is....regardless of the number or strength of my sources. It's always the same. So, I'm labelled as some SJW drama queen with an "agenda"...and it's easier to dismiss me. To call me "difficult." "Aggressive." To accuse me of "throwing fits." To band together and say my calls of differential treatment are all in my head. I get it. And hopefully you do now too. Justbean ( talk) 18:49, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Howdy! Justbean, if you felt that I was chastizing you, that was not my intent, so I apologize. Regarding someone adding input to a talk page, you never know when someone may do so, talk page stalker or not. You say you are trying to learn the Wikipedia community. Community is the key word there. We are all a community of editors who should be working together for collaboration. And for consensus when there are issues. So, perhaps not rejecting another editor's input is a good idea, is what I was trying to say, no matter who they are. They might turn out to be someone like Atsme, who knows quite a lot about rodeo, I would venture to say more than both of us put together. My only intent was to say please let's all be more courteous to talk page stalkers or anyone who joins in a conversation on a talk page. We would do the same on an article talk page too. As for myself, I have only been seriously editing for 10 months, and I have already had one serious issue with an article I created that brought me to the point I almost quit Wikipedia. A reviewer inaccurately marked it for copyright violation, and then went out and searched my other articles for copyright vio and marked three others. A big mess. It was quotes that I had used from sources. It was these experienced editors, Montanabw, Atsme, White Arabian Filly, and other talk page stalkers that convinced me to stay. And also without montanabw as my mentor, I would be so far behind in my knowledge and editing ability than I am now. I mean huge difference. So naturally I would tell others the great things they can learn from these editors. And none of us are perfect. Having these other editors to assist and assist me is something that makes a huge difference. I highly advise it! Just on my last new article when I moved it to mainspace, I had an issue where the reviewer marked it for deletion due to notability. The subject was clearly notable. I posted on my talk page for help, and Atsme fairly quickly responded and messaged the reviewer about the notability guidelines for rodeo which I did not know well enough yet and took care of it. We are all members of the wikiprojects that handle the rodeo articles. That's one reason why we support each other. So anytime you edit rodeo articles, you will find that at least one of us are stewarding them. For myself, I would rather us get along together. I have no stewardship role in Cowboy. My interests mostly lie in bull riding. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly, great to hear from you, and thanks for taking the time to not only read what I wrote (I know it's epic), but to also reach out/chime in. As for bias...yes, I do think there is bias on Wiki. As there is in all walks of life. Let me explain... I've contributed edits to 226 articles over 6 years, and of those...55% have been minor edits. I've never complained against anyone, and have only requested for two of my contributions to be restored. Once for a requested move on the Tulsa race riots...and once for my edit of Cowboys (coinciding with a request for the restoration of my contribution to Stephen F. Austin...which was reverted by the same person). And because I refuted these reversions, and pressed to have them reversed, I've been called names and have had judgment passed upon my intent, my politics, and my psychology. In six years...I've only felt compelled to fight for 2 edits –– 2 –– and the fact that my inquiry led to two similar experiences....leads me to think bias has played a role. I base my thinking on Wiki's recognition of its own bias, on articles written about Wiki's bias, and on a recognition of bias in human psychology. The idea that 9/10 editors are similar, by gender and race, would present bias in anything. For example, if you have 9 Russian male writers on a TV show, their worldview bias will be reflected in the TV show. Just as it would for 9 Chinese women. Or 9 black female cops. Or 9 Hispanic mothers, etc. There are many examples of Wiki bias. For example, bias contributes to only 17% of Wiki biographies being about women, it's exemplified in one editor making about 50,000 edits by changing the phrase "comprised of" to something else that makes "more sense" to him, and is expressed in the fact that one of the three most cited reasons that editors contribute to Wiki is "ideology." The issue, I think, is that most people think "bias" is a bad word. Somehow, they equate "bias" with " racist" or " discriminatory." And that's not necessarily true. Can bias lead to racism/discrimination? Sure. But that's not what bias, on it's own, is. Cultural bias is psychological...ALL people have it. It's literally a fact of life. Take a look at how Wiki defines "bias":
So, the fact that I'm being judged, not across the totality of my 226 edits...but on my pushback about these two edits...well, that demonstrates my point. And editors have been very quick to defend Montanabw's character, expressing some version of "...she's not like that." But bias isn't about one's character. It's about psychology. Yet, because people equate it with racism/discrimination, they disassociate themselves of the word, condemn those who accuse them of it as being overly sensitive, and do whatever they can to return things back to a place of psychological comfort. So, unless you're not human...we're all susceptible to it. Programs and policies, like Affirmative Action, were implemented to block racism/discrimination that arises from bias. For example, bias is personally preferring "white" names. While discrimination is ignoring resumes with "black" names. So, while bias is an intuituve psychological feeling...discrimination/racism is an actionable choice. But unless/until people stop conflating "bias" with "racist"/"discriminatory," they will never see, or acknowledge, bias for what it is. This isn't about politics...but about recognizing that, as humans, our perceptions are filled with blindspots. The fact remains that of my 226 edits...editors have only taken drastic exception with 3 of them. And what those 3 edits have in common is that they were edits that included minority experience/contributions/presence on "white" pages and/or challenged white historical interpretations. So, while it's fine for editors to say bias played no part in this, human psychology refutes that...as does Wiki's admission of its own bias. Again, that doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone on Wiki of racism/discrimination. However, my experience on Wiki does feel like I've come across bias...specifically confirmation bias, attribution bias, self-serving bias and status quo bias. So, please know that I'm not accusing the Wiki community of anything other than being human. And being human is imperfect. Which is why we sometimes don't recognize the humanity/perceptions/voice of others unless we can relate to them. It's why we show solidarity when 137 Parisians die in a terror attack, but are barely aware when an entire Congolese village is hacked and burned to death. So, from one human to another, it's important for us to point out bias, recognize it, and try not to let it interfere with the accurate recording of the way the world is/was...for preference of the way we see it. As for Montanabw...she's reached out to me and has tried to help me. I'm working on doing some new edits in hopes that we can start off on a fresh foot. In any event...am hopeful for a better experience on Wiki, all around. So, again, thank you for caring enough to reach out and help :) Justbean ( talk) 22:54, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey all, if you haven't noticed, we are hijacking Dawnleelynn's talkpage. How about taking this party to someone else's userspace? (And not mine, either)
Montanabw
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Montanbw Thank you.
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Moved Oscar to mainspace. Did some copyediting and have some hidden text questions for you to answer, hope my changes didn't go too far. I'll look at the other draft later. Montanabw (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Atsme Hey you two, feel free to chime in on the brand # issue or help me with the graphics issue on Oscar or Long John below...montanabw is so busy. She has helped me a lot already, but if you can spare a bit of time that would be great. And somehow things come around full circle. I can always nominate a DYK for you. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photo for Long John's article here: [14]. It seems I'm not picking the same option as you because I have to enter more fields than you did in V-16 plus provide a list of verification for historic use (like I did with Red Rock, Tornado, and Challenge of the Champions). Also, I am having trouble using the file in his article, I get an error message. Still so much to learn on these graphics I guess. I wanted to get a few other bulls images in for ones who are deceased. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw Atsme White Arabian Filly
I just uploaded and added a photograph for deceased PRCA Bull of the Year (and also PBR Brand of Honor bull) Red Wolf. The image is at: [15] if anyone gets a chance, can they patrol it for me? It looks quite good in the article, and there was no quirkiness in the infobox this time like there was with Long John. This is not a rush as the file seems to be working well in the article. Thanks! Let me say, I'm working towards a time when I can self patrol my own articles and files, if anyone has any tips for speeding this up, please share. :) I know I need at least 25 articles under my belt. dawnleelynn (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Thanks! And now you know you can do those too! dawnleelynn (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I see from my Watchlist you patrolled Red Wolf's photo file. WAF did, but I'm sure it won't hurt to have it done twice. Thanks! It was probably easier to just run through all three and be done with it. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photograph for deceased Brand of Honor and World Champion bull Mossy Oak Mudslinger. However, there seem to be glitches again. Once I insert the image in the article in the infobox some of the content seems to vanish for the rest of the article. File is at: [16] dawnleelynn (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I see from my Watchlist you patrolled Mossy Oak Mudslinger's photo file. Thanks a bunch! dawnleelynn (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photograph for the ProRodeo Hall of Fame deceased bucking bull Oscar. The same issue that is happening to Mossy Oak Mudslinger is happening here. So, can try again later maybe, or whens someone checks Mudslinger, they can check this one too. The file is here: [17]. Many thanks... This is the last article that needed a photograph. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC) And then will need patrolled. Also note has no author listed, all photos I could find for him have no author or publication. It's very sparse finding photos and none have authorized sources with the photographer listed. Not even the ProRodeo Hall of Fame photo. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. User:Montanabw tells me you might be a good person to ask for a picture of John C. Hunton's grave (including the Confederate marker) in Lakeview Cemetery, Cheyenne, Wyoming. If so, could you please take a few pictures asap (in case they're planning to remove it)? Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s Hi, sure I know exactly where that cemetery is already. There is no talk here in Cheyenne about any kind of removal of any Confederate monuments or other items whatsoever. At any rate, I will be going to a building right next door to that cemetary the day after tomorrow. And I have a nice digital camera I can use to snap a few shots. No problem at all. I will post here again after I have them. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:17, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s Yes, I did ask for an account weeks ago. I got an approval notice, and now I've been waiting for many weeks for that email with a username and password. I know it's supposed to take awhile, but this seems really slow. Also, how does that help regular users reading the article? You know, the ones who aren't editors? Just a thought. You can make clippings that don't require subscriptions to view. [24] Obviously, I haven't actually done it since I can't get an account working so I don't know if it will let you clip all of what you need, and you may have already checked this feature out. Just throwing it out there. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s cc: Montanabw Per our discussion in the previous section on this talk page, John C. Hunton's grave, I have created a first draft of the article, Wyoming Pioneer Association, in my sandbox. I also created the talk page with wiki projects in it. It's actually fairly close to finished, unless you and montanabw care to take a swipe at some editing in it. Feel free. I will do another another review and copy edit of it again in about two days. I want to take a couple days away from it and let it gel, let my mind settle and then come back. Oh, montanabw also advised that the Wyoming Pioneer Museum portion is definitely notable, since the Wyoming State Legislature provided the funds for the new building and owns it. Zigzig20s, please also weigh in on how you feel the article stands in its current state regarding notability. I have no experience in these types of articles. I was also hoping you would patrol the article once I move it into mainspace. You have been here over 10 years, so I am thinking you have that right. I have only been editing seriously about a year, and I'm about halfway to creating enough articles to earn that right. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly
It's coincidence but the article you patrolled for me in my Userspace
Miniature bull riding just got reviewed. I just got a message and this showed up in my Watchlist. This had happened with others that were reviewed in Userspace, part of why I think I need to get them reviewed after moving to Mainspace. Fortunately, the reviewer approved it with no changes.
(Page curation log); 13:22 . . Wgolf (talk | contribs) marked Miniature bull riding as reviewed
Zigzig20s Ok, I added some secondary sources to the article, let me know what you think now thanks. dawnleelynn (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Saw your notes, will try to get to them later this weekend. My desktop decided to crash bad enough to need a full restore and I'm still working through that. Am volunteering at the library book sale much of the rest of the weekend so it'll be a bit. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Ealdgyth Ok, this is just to notify you that I am done, and what I've done. You can respond at your convenience. Truly, there's no rush. All link work I did, I kept the formatting already in place or as discussed previously. I used the Checklinks tool on each article to identify broken links. The best way to check the articles I changed might be by following this article:
American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame rather than a watchlist. That's what I followed to change the articles.
1. Replaced all of the AQHA horse induction links and hall of fame inductee links that were either archive links or broken links.
2. Replaced any AQHA generic links with specific links to the horse's hall of fame induction page when there weren't any.
3. Replaced all third party broken links with links from the web site if it was just a case of it being reorganized.
4. Replaced third party broken links with archive links from the Wayback Machine when replacements could not be found anywhere else.
5. For the NCHA and NRHA, the links for the hall of fame and earnings were broken for both, so I just replaced the URLs in all of these articles. You will note all of the links are different now as they changed their root URL.
6. Wrote messages in the article's talk page when broken links could not be resolved addressed to you.
7. Added horse's date of induction into the AQHA hall of fame, date of death, cause of death when missing and it was in their AQHA hall of fame induction page.
8. Added the AQHA Hall of Fame members (horses) category to every horse's article if missing. I believe there is around 87 horses in that category now.
9. The following two URLs in External Links are very unreliable now.
I think I learned a bit about horses this weekend. Wow, a horse that sucked eggs through the shell and chased chickens off their nest to get their eggs. LOL! If it comes up (and I hope it won't as I was very careful) before you spend any significant time changing anything, ask me about it. I might be able to change it with AWB and a quick search and replace. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Category:Rodeo performers (other), which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Koavf Justin, I read this message late last night and commented in the discussion, as you have already probably have seen. I gather it is pretty much procedural to notify the creator of the category, but wanted to acknowledge the heads-up here as well. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello,
I have reviewed your DYK? nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/Eternal Sun. Basically, you need to do a QPQ (Quid Pro Quo). If you do that, though, then I think that your DYK? nomination will be good to go! Futurist110 ( talk) 01:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Futurist110 ( talk · contribs) Hello, thank you for reviewing and correcting my DYK? nomination on Eternal Sun which I added today. I just fixed a mistake in the source content, a small one. This is only my third nomination. The first two nominations I did not have to do a QPQ. They were promoted and ran without a QPQ. My two mentors I've worked with for a year said the first five are basically "free" per the rules in WP:WIADYK where it says "Exception: If, at the time a nomination is promoted to the main page, its nominator has fewer than five DYK credits (whether or not self-nominated) then the nomination is exempt from QPQ."
You can see this for yourself in my last DYK? on Charmayne James at [26] where the promoter says, "QPQ satisfied, user has not yet received enough Did you know credits to need to do this yet." by Sagecandor.
Thanks for again for reviewing and let me know if I missed anything or misunderstood anything. I very much appreciate your help! dawnleelynn (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Dawn. I seem to have upset you with one of my recent edits, which wasn't my intention at all. Sorry if that is the case. I left you a question on the talk page above, which relates to why I made the change. It's safe to say that you have way more knowledge of rodeo than I do, so please have a look at your convenience so we can get the wording right. Giants2008 ( Talk) 17:31, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello! Your submission of
Eternal Sun at the
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your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
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Boy, the new version of the Bodacious article is a real challenge, isn't it? Redundant sections, a disaster of organization -- you are making valiant headway but I'm not sure it's worth it -- Maybe the thing to do is to WP:TNT it -- start a sandbox draft with the section headings needed for good structure, then move in only the good stuff from the existing article, and then when the draft is solid, overwrite the whole article with the new version. Montanabw (talk) 02:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
P.S. A Charbray is a Charolais and a Brahman cross. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw Here is the sandbox for Bodacious: User:Dawnleelynn/Bodacious (bull). I also added a talk page. I did not copy everything in from the mainspace article. I figured that could come last. I just added the wikiproject. The sandbox just contains the Infobox and the first sentence, albeit with the end chopped off for now. I did not add the picture of Bodacious to the article; it was there when I started expanding way back when. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I'd also like to change the date format on the references to US format and I'll put in the coding that Ealgdyth uses on her horse articles for it. I will also try to do a better job of formatting the references this time around. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
On 8 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eternal Sun, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that hall of fame horse Eternal Sun's owner purchased him with an IOU written on a corner torn from the page of the seller's catalog? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eternal Sun. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Eternal Sun), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih Talk 02:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I saw your !vote on the Chris Sherwin AfD and I wanted to address a couple of things since you'd mentioned you were newish. AfD is supposed to be a discussion, not a vote, that determines whether or not an article should be kept on Wikipedia; the best arguments centre around whether the article does or does not meet relevant policies. That's why the nominator put all that in the nomination statement. Whether the nominator is neutral on the article subject - or not - really doesn't matter.
Also, the nominator has not found some others editors who have also obviously been apprised of the fact that the article subject was a Wikipedian
; to say this implies that the nominator
WP:CANVASSED other editors, which would be a big no-no. The nominator has not canvassed participants (you can tell based on
his contributions). Thanks!
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21:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Ca2james I am going to assume good faith in your message. I am willing to conclude the process is more of a discussion than votes, especially after seeing the latest comments in the AfD. As for collusion in the AfD, your link to WP:CANVASSED does mention stealthy ways to communicate, so it's possible. However, to accuse without proof was not a good idea, even if the comments all seemed to show up around the same time. The AfD is now much larger and includes comments from all different viewpoints, so I would have been wise to hold my tongue. Thanks. dawnleelynn (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
You did it!!!
Charmayne James was promoted to GA!!! It was a fun project to work with you on. I enjoyed our collaboration. We're all so proud of you and the good work you're doing!!
Atsme
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Anomalocaris Um, I just noticed my signature is now green instead of red... dawnleelynn (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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You have some good source material, perhaps could create a "history" section and expand on Bucking bull in general? Montanabw (talk) 08:29, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs)NEW NOTE: Again I typed too fast. What I meant to say, is that the PBR probably DID NOT include Bodacious on their Top 10 list because his career was mostly PRCA, not PBR. The fans don't care, they want him on all greatest bulls lists. And what I also meant to confer about Bushwacker's number of views is that it is quite a lot considering it's a stub of 3 sentences. LOL. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:43, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Feel free to post over at my talk page any time if you want to draw additional reviewers. The main thing is just to enjoy what you are doing. I'll tell you, it's a real blast to see pageview stats: When I worked on California Chrome and American Pharoah, I realized that "my" work was getting more readership than the stuff in any specialty press publication. Montanabw (talk) 21:42, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs)I thought that moving up to 75 was a lot. And you know, the watchlist and emails don't always work. They miss notifying you sometimes. I run across topics that have been changed, and I know I didn't notified on them. I do really want to watch the ones that I have in my list so far. But the warning is well heeded, believe me. Thanks to the good 'ole bots! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:22, 23 January 2017 (UTC)
Hope I didn't take too big a whack at Challenge of the Champions. Most of what I did was to conform the article better to the MOS -- using last names instead of first names, moving a couple things to spots where they seemed to "flow" better, some minor rewording, and consolidating sources when the same source was used (usually you only have to source every sentence when each sentence has a different source; if someone nags me about one source for an entire paragraph, I add hidden text that says "this source is for the entire paragraph" or "this source is for the preceding two sentences" or whatever the other editor is worked up about... (it looks like this: <!--hidden text format-->) If you ever run into a person who is being, WP:TENDENTIOUS, then you can repeat the same source for every sentence, but it's generally not necessary. I didn't know about that matchup, and it was a cool article to read! Montanabw (talk) 21:40, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
I'm going to try and be around more. Holler about anything you need now. I'm moving your HOF article to mainspace I think it's ready to go. Montanabw (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Dawn don't let the biting and templating get you down. There is always someone like this who doesn’t know the rules and gets over-zealous. Deep breaths and you will in fact, handle this rodeo and make it to the buzzer! Montanabw (talk) 17:32, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Oh, thank you for explaining all this. It's very enlightening. I'd like to get the right that approves my pages when I have 25 or more articles written. I don't necessarily want the right to approve other's pages. I'm not sure I want to learn all of the criteria for that. I'll see how I feel when that time comes. It's good to know that there is a special feed, I didn't know that. However, all of my articles had quotes in them, not sure Red Wolf had more than any of the others that it would have been triggered into the special feed or not. Anyway, that issue won't happy again, that's for sure! :) Thanks for taking time to explain all of that. Good luck on your list article. dawnleelynn (talk) 02:46, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hi, Dawnleelynn - for future reference, I just wanted to give you a heads-up that NCHA cutting and the NCHA itself are not rodeo, so I removed the rodeo categories. See the list of rodeo events. Warmest regards... Atsme 📞 📧 05:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I took a whack at the categories and hope I didn't screw up what you had in mind. I created Category:Rodeo competition series and Category:Rodeo-affiliated events for the things that don't really fit as individual rodeos -- they only have one article in each, but I suspect more can be moved in there. I also put the {{ Category diffuse}} template on the Rodeo and Rodeo performers categories, as they are sort of the "container" categories for all the others -- if we have under 200 rodeo articles total, we technically don't need to go crazy with creating 10 trillion small categories to move everything out, but I'm also not sure we really want those categories to be completely non-diffusing, either... at least, not rodeo (maybe rodeo performers could double-dip, given that some people compete in multiple events... ) I'm thinking that regardless of what goes where, we want to have the structure set up for the area to grow because it really sucks to move a lot of articles (I wish I could find a WP tool like "cat-a-lot" in commons...but I don't think there is one) -- for example, WikiProject Horse racing now has about 10,000 (!) articles and it's also a screaming mess... the categorization scheme is so confusing that it gets very difficult to even know what category to put a horse racing article into sometimes. :-P Montanabw (talk) 05:34, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
I completely see the need for it. :) dawnleelynn (talk) 21:26, 17 April 2017 (UTC)
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A special thank you for your enthusiasm and good work with all the Rodeo articles and categories. Atsme 📞 📧 18:40, 24 April 2017 (UTC) |
No problem, Dawn, and thanks for fixing the links. I don't use Visual Editor, so I don't know how to change it; maybe somebody at the Teahouse or help desk who uses it knows what to do. It's good to see that the rodeo articles are receiving some attention, although I make it a rule not to join WikiProjects. I need to remain unbiased in case I review or must make a decision on promoting a page in a given WikiProject's territory, and feel that I can still help the WikiProjects with my editing. As for your list, it's off to a pretty good start. Many of the newer featured lists have references in a devoted column, so you might consider adding one to your list. In addition, when you add more references for inductees, try seeing if there are any news articles that will verify the inductees; right now, all of the cites are to the Hall of Fame itself, and it would be best to have at least a few secondary sources. Older years may be tough, but for some of the recent inductees there should be some coverage out there. Good luck with developing the list, and maybe I'll see you at FLC one day. Giants2008 ( Talk) 22:46, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Debating whether to add bull riding to the pickup rider article as a separate section and maybe the categories -- they don't have pickup riders, per se, but there are guys on horseback herding any recalcitrant bulls around, at least at PRCA rodeos -- usually the same guys hired as pickup riders. But I dunno because I don't watch a lot of PBR, more live PRCA stuff... Thoughts? Montanabw (talk) 00:56, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) I found a source that says the guys that escort bulls to the exit are pickup men too. They are called pickup men too or they are the same, no matter the origin, the nomenclature is the same, which is what we care about. And I'm happy to be wrong, LOL.
http://www.hotfair.com/p/events/prca-rodeo/222
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) I've moved I think 5 or 6 articles out of Rodeo performers (other) into specific categories. But two of the articles I could only get as specific as bronc riders and couldn't find if they were saddle or bareback. So I put them in your new category Bronc riders. I also identified two that were cutting horse performers so I left a message on Atmes' page. You can look at my contribs to see what I did or I can give you the wikilinks to the article if you want them. I don't know how detailed you want to see. I'll do some more later.
I saw your request for review of your latest bull article on Montanabw's talk, so I thought I'd post here. It's certainly good enough to do a DYK on, so here are some tips:
I hope you nominate it. I've had 27 that ran on the main page, not countingCite error: There are <ref>
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coon hunting which has been passed but hasn't been promoted or run yet. As far as I know, we've never had a bucking bull on the main page since I've been here.
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White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) I just added the four I am considering to Talk:Bones (bull). Btw, the source for the DYK that I like the best, where Bones exercises in a revolving sand pit, is shown on a YouTube video here: [5]. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:05, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
On 20 May 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bones (bull), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the owner of World Champion bucking bull Bones exercised him in a mechanized circular walker in a deep sand pit? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bones (bull). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Bones (bull)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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Hey y'all, my Bones DKY is running right now! :) for the date of May 20, 2017. dawnleelynn (talk) 01:40, 20 May 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Hi, yes I missed you, thanks for letting me know. I can relate. We had 24 hours of snow here from Friday through Saturday here. LOL. But I can relate to the thunderstorm weather from where I grew up and lived the earlier part of my adult life in the Northeast. That's pretty cool about the pageviews. I tried to check it last night after the DYK had stopped running, but the results hadn't been posted yet. That seems like pretty darn good results! I had a few stragglers edit Bones' page and one edit another bull page. I didn't think about the fact that some of the people who saw the DYK might come in for some edits, LOL. But that's ok, I told montanabw I was too isolated in here anyway. I'm close to finishing Charmayne James in my sandbox now. I'll put her up with the bridleless go-round as the DYK, maybe next week. I just put some polish on Scamper; I'm really happy with that article now. Oh, and that Preakness race was quite the upset. dawnleelynn (talk) 21:26, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
Hey dawn, I want to alert you to my buddy PumpkinSky, who is a really terrific and experienced editor, and who might be interested in your bull riding and cowboy articles, particularly the hall of fame one you are still sandboxing. He's done several featured articles and featured lists, was inactive for awhile, but now is back. Anyway, it's always good to expand your network of helpful people, plus he's very good with more advanced wikipedia syntax and markup. We worked together on the Yogo sapphire article and it was a real good collaboration; what wikipedia is all about. Montanabw (talk) 17:06, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Hi montanabw and WAF! montanabw and I were thinking this article needs to go live after one more review. WAF, montanabw plans to review it today. You are welcome to, at your option, as well. It's not a lot of text to review as it's a list article. You actually helped me get it started. It's List of ProRodeo Hall of Fame inductees in my sandbox. After it's reviewed, if someone could patrol it, that would be great. Then I'll move it to mainspace. I'm not inclined right now to do anything else to make it more flashy. Maybe later. Thanks for your help girls! It wouldn't even be this nice without your help. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) Atsme ( talk · contribs) Howdy rodeo fans! I'm doing an expansion to Cheyenne Frontier Days, heaven knows it needs one. I've added a bunch but it still has a long way to go. I've not added anything about rodeo or FrontierNight yet, just the side events. You can easily go to see what it looked like before I started adding anything at an early version because I just started a couple days ago. Whenever you have a few minutes here or there in the next few weeks, take a look and make some edits if you feel like it. No need to ask, just edit. And remember, I am always willing to return the favor. A rodeo article is a big effort, and could use more than one pair of eyes on it. And it's a shame for one of the biggest and best to be lacking any depth while the Calgary Stampede is a featured article. Thanks for listening. I was thinking I could do a decent job since I have attended many times and I live here now. The goal is to finish at least a couple weeks before the next event, which is the last full week of July. Happy Trails! :))
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Atsme Thank you Atsme, that is very sweet of you. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:22, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
I moved Charmayne James to mainspace. I'd recommend adding a wee bit more about her post-Scamper career with the other barrel horse and maybe consider trimming some of the material that was moved in from the Scamper article to focus more on her than the horse. Other than that, maybe have Atsme or someone look it over and then if you want to do a DYK nom, go for it, would be fun to have rodeo on the main page. Montanabw (talk) 19:04, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
One other thought. montanabw has always told me that one way to get in some content about, for example, how great a bull was, is to have others say it, like a bull rider or the livestock director of the PBR, which he often does, usually by quoting or paraphrasing him. Or just saying the article says... things like that, but keep it to a minimum also. Sometimes you just have to let the facts speak for themselves. Obviously if a bull won the world champ bull title three times and only two bulls have ever done it, it should be obvious that he's a great bull. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
AtsmeOh yes, that's totally my bad. It's been a stickler for me writing about her when she's being inducted this year. I really stuffed the pooch on that one. Totally not your fault. I did exactly what you just said. I take total responsibility for that. Trying to write it that way, yet not have to come back did not work out. Sorry!! I should have said so earlier! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Completely my fault, not yours at all! dawnleelynn (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Or, this:
https://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/CCS_activevoice.html
Note this example specifically which emulates the one I am talking about with the induction.
Website example:
Active: The dog bit the man.
Passive: The man was bitten by the dog.
My issue:
Active: The ProRodeo Hall of Fame inducted Scamper in 1996.
Passive: Scamper was inducted by the ProRodeo Hall of Fame in 1996.
This is not having to do with verb tense but rather keeping the subject the actor instead of being acted upon. One of many types of active voice.
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Atsme LOL, it must be frustrating, and I do know how you feel. Really. In my 20 years working in software development, most of it was as a technical writer. But I also did some training and QA as well. My skills at explaining things are only exceedingly good because it was my job in writing software documentation for so long. You can't succeed doing documentation and get paid for it for 15 years if you are not doing a good job. But doing it in training and QA was extremely frustrating. However, not all of the skills seemed to have translated well here. Plus, I have not been working for several years, so am out of practice. You are right, I am much more accepting of taking edits. But believe me, in the beginning I was just as headstrong about taking edits as you were. I was very defensive and hurt at first in taking edits, but after 15 years, you are long past taking exception to both substantial and copy edits. It's just another day at work. But I do admit when my co-worker in one job got promoted to manager about halfway through my career, she came with the active voice baggage and she was so strict with it, it made me crazy at first. I really thought she was overdoing it. She practically forbade the verb of being and past tense altogether... yeah, that's right. But I did come to see the value of active voice over passive voice in moderation and it really does improve your writing and you can use it without getting extreme about it like she did. I am trying to learn from you, I promise. I am willing to take all the edits for the Charmayne James article, I will not oppose any. For two reasons. 1. To learn. 2. It will improve the article. The article is more important than my ego. And so, I'm staring at the article. Did you want me to tweak the lead section, is that what you meant? I've got about 45 minutes before dinner. lol Words cannot say how much I appreciate your help. I will owe you a big one for this. Oh yes, montanabw got me to the point where I was just using one citation per paragraph if that paragraph was based only on one source. I really could use some more education on citing, though I think. dawnleelynn (talk) 23:20, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Yes, I needed a reminder that the NFR is based on money earnings, duh, I knew that...but hadn't thought about it in awhile. Once you know that, the rest of what you say falls into place pretty easily. It's the foundation of what you need to understand the rest. I also know about winning the average and that being a separate thing that can be won at the NFR. I do get it now. As I have opportunity to edit existing articles in future, I will correct the way titles are referred to in them. I'm glad you brought this subject up. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 16:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Ok, I will see what I can do in James now for awhile. And address Clayton too.
Hey there!
Atsme White Arabian Filly montanabw
I wanted to make you (Atsme and WAF) both aware of an error I found. Montanabw knows. It's all explained on this bot's page. But, basically the Visual Source Editor is creating empty parameters in citations when adding them. And this bot was thinking that the empty parameter for the archiveurl= meant it should be turned into a weird not dead link archive link, my bad, but reversed. It's weird, you have to see one to understand.
/info/en/?search=User_talk:GreenC_bot#Bot_doesn.27t_like_citations_from_Visual_Source_Editor.3F
For sure, the bot will be or is already fixed so it does not do this anymore. However, the past mistakes it already made are out there in articles and you may encounter them sometime in your travels.
Now I corrected all of these issues in the Rodeo articles. I did this because I got access to the AutoWikiBrowser. I used the powerful Search and Replace feature in this tool to search for all of the empty parameters that the Visual Source Editor creates in citations and removed them. Now a bot can't find these parameters and turn a perfectly good URL into an archive link.
To see an example of what I did, the best one is my article List of ProRodeo Hall of Fame inductees.
I could also potentially use this tool to help out editors. To do things, like rename the category in all the articles it is in one fell swoop. This tool has helped me many times since I got access to it. It does lots of things. But its most powerful feature is definitely the search and replace. Also, I saved the text of that section into a text file on my computer so I always have access to it. I know it will not always be readily available. So, yes let me know if I can ever help you with a task by using AWB.
Just a heads up. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme ( talk · contribs) Montanabw ( talk · contribs) White Arabian Filly ( talk · contribs) I thought this article in my sandbox was patrolled so I moved it out to mainspace. I forgot a link to the article, it's Mossy Oak Mudslinger. It just got reviewed and slapped with a notability tag. I added some notability information in the talk page. If you can spare a minute anyone, please see if you can add anything. Thanks! This article should not need notability questioning. The bull is a 2006 PBR World Champion bull AND a PBR Heroes and Legends Brand of Honor bull of which we have 5 articles in existence already. The Brand of Honor is equivalent to a hall of fame designation in the PBR, the highest honor the PBR can give a bull. Appreciate just a comment or whatever, thanks all. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:47, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Howdy and Happy Sunday all. Atsme took care of this issue and in the nicest way possible. I still have much to learn about the notability guidelines. I mean when it comes to having your topic reviewing and what to say to a reviewer like she did when she addressed the reviewer of my article on his page. She also removed the notability tag from my article. Obviously, since it's my article, I can't remove the tag. Atsme, it sounds like you are familiar with this bull. I love how you described him in the edit summary and on the reviewer's page! He was one bad hombre. Thank you! And, btw, looking at the article, I'm seeing puffery that needs removed, which I will do later this week. It comes from our work on Charmayne James me thinks. :)) dawnleelynn (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Thanks, I appreciate that while I am milling around in there, LOL. I can only say wow to all of your links. It will take me some time to digest it all. But it is all so cool! I recognized without all of that that you were far ahead of me in knowledge about horses and rodeo. I saw that great link and information you added in James lead section about AQHA. That's some wonderful history you have and it's good to look back on it and enjoy the memories. I truly appreciate you sharing them with me. After all your help and now this, just makes my day! I just finished an edit to James, but will come back in a bit later. I edited the lead and made it chronological and made two sections - one for James and one for Scamper. And I totally redid Clayton's section.
Oh, also, I am definitely not a rodeo anything except through what I have taught myself. But I have loved bull riding a long time and I have taught myself about it, both old school and new. So I know who the Gays are, they are both Legends of Pro Rodeo as well as hall of famers. I used to watch Don back when he was a PBR announcer. And it was due to Lane Frost and Red Rock that I started watching bull riding. :)) dawnleelynn (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme Hi, yes you were at it a long time, goodness. And I can only say "Wow!" at the result. It's getting close to dinner, but I will edit when I can in the early to mid-evening and assume you won't be coming back for quite awhile. I'll go put the inuse tag on it right after I finish this comment. I've got about 1/2 hour to do a bit of editing. I'm not sure I know what you mean regarding "citing information to autobiographical material." And I've never heard the rule about only listing the top 5 or so major awards - montanabw never mentioned it. What about honors, do they count in that 5. I mean, for example, like a bull rider, I list awards he's won his championships and finals, etc. And then separately I list as honors all the halls of fame he's been inducted into and etc.. So, honors and awards are two separate lists I add. I don't know of any fair use images but that doesn't mean there aren't any. I will see if I can find anything tomorrow? I asked White Arabian Filly about the infobox, she creates them, she created a bull infoxbox for me. She might know of a suitable one. This is my first article about a person, so I had a lot to learn. I have only created articles about animals before now and edited articles about people. So, yes forgive my mistakes here. Actually, James' awards were all listed in order in the articles "Scamper's Stats with Charmayne James" and on her web site. As for the halls of fame, I am a pro doing that from long before I did this article. I've been doing it for all of the rodeo performers awhile now, and I've even developed a file with most of them in it, that I can search for their name and find the halls they are in. I just have to update each year with new inductions. Ok, yes, I may have some more questions later so I don't mess up anything you've done. Thanks so much... dawnleelynn (talk) 23:39, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
Atsme There's a media guide that is accessible to all on the PRCA website. I wasn't able to find much on James that we could use as a secondary source for awards, just this one: [10] You can access the guides from the Nav Bar on the home page under Media. Each section is a separat PDF. If you search the PDF for Charmayne, it will bring up a few records for Scamper. You might have to download the PDF to search in it, depends what reader you are using. The award is for AQHA/PRCA Horses of the Year, 1989-2015. He won WPRA/GB in 1989 - 1993. And also it lists AQHA/PRCA Horses of the Year: records - Barrel racing 5 wins: 1989-93, Charmayne James, which, I think is just saying the total of the listings before. So there's one source we could potentially use as another secondary source. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:09, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly WAF, how kind of you to offer. I am pretty sure you are aware that I have never done one of these before. I would want to make sure Atsme gets credit for her part in this article, she's done more of the editing than I have at this point. She's done her best mentoring me, and I can only hope that I will be able to pick it it all up with practice. I am almost 100 percent positive that you have not edited this article, and 100 percent positive that you edited Scamper's article. I would love some help with having a co-nom as it's my first time. I'm sure that doing a horse trainer would have some similarities to doing a barrel racer. Remember, I've not done a barrel racer either. And, we can always ask Atsme for help if we need to, she used to be a barrel racer for awhile when she was younger. So, we should be okay. I'll get to work on the remaining issues as I can. I can hopefully finish those today. I was trying to get a photo, but I'm not having any luck yet. One of the two of them would have been nice. I admit all I've done so far is fair use photos for deceased bulls. Anyway, thank you big time. montanabw suggested earlier I might get Jlvsclrk to do a peer review, tell her that we are asking her per montanabw's request as she's so busy in the real world, so we can keep that mind once I finish edits. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:42, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Let's break this process into a new section. Just so you know, this article is out for DYK, actually. I put it out right after montanabw moved it to mainspace for me, which she did as there was already a page named Charmayne James already which was a redirect to Scamper. I nominated it before Atsme got involved, and we decided to shoot for GA quality in the article. The hook is regarding the bridleless win, what else? :). Wow, your horse didn't want to barrel race. According to James, Scamper took right to it. It's the same with bucking bulls, some want to buck and others just stand there after they put that dummy on their back. Anyhow, I will check the articles out. But since Atsme is a good article reviewer herself and has many articles pass GA, we should be okay, I"m sure she will keep an eye out a little bit too. I don't think I'm going to be able to find a photo since Charmayne is still alive. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:06, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Hi, yes, go ahead and nominate as soon as you are ready. I'm ready today or tomorrow, depending on when montanabw answers. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly WAF, hey thanks for getting back to me about editing it while it is waiting to be picked up for GA review. It's still waiting for the DYK too, my first DYK on Bones took awhile as well. That's okay, plenty else to do in the meantime. :) dawnleelynn (talk) 16:49, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
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How did I miss this? Anyway it's done for anyone who is watching my page. Off to bed, it's late! dawnleelynn (talk) 06:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
On 23 July 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charmayne James, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that ProRodeo Hall of Fame barrel racer Charmayne James still managed to win the round when her horse Scamper's bridle fell off? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charmayne James. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Charmayne James), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
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dawnleelynn, I'm following up here, as it seems Montanabw closed the page before I could reply. I've never even heard of WP:TALKSTALK. This is new to me, and if I would have known it, I would have responded a different way. Chastisting me for not doing something you assume I know to do is part of the problem. I have no ill-will toward Atsme. I don't know her, wasn't attacking her, nor did I inquire anything about her. So, your glowing words for her weren't about me...but about you showing favor/friendship upon her. And that's part of the problem on Wiki to. Lack of objectivism. Everyone who's "been around for a while" supports each other, without question. Penetrating that wall, as someone relatively new...well, it's virtually impossible. Minds are already made up...and you're taunted/shamed for daring to make any complaint against :one of their own." Beyond that, now, that I know about WP: TALKSTALK (thank you for educating me), I will handle things different going forward. As for Montanabw, perhaps if she would have presented herself in a more helpful manner to me, versus belittling me and accusing me of things I did not do, the situation would have been more apt for me to learn from her, rather than to learn of her. This is about civility and respect. If I broke the rules...fine. Explain that to me (as other editors did) in a civil and respectful way, and don't treat me differently by holding me to standards you have a track record of not ever holding for yourself. Yet, in asking for this, I've been treated as some indignant troublemaker...when I have never acted outside of good faith in any of my dealings on Wiki. And just for the record, I did not commit WP:SOAPBOX and WP:UNDUE, as Atsme implied. I'm not some social justice warrior. But given the strength of Wiki bias, I get why my efforts to be factually accurate, when it comes to matters of race, etc. are futile...unless they fit within a certain worldview. No one has ever had any issue with an edit I've made of a "black" or "Hispanic" page...because those are "sub-pages." And there's never any controversy when these facts are excluded from the places they should, according to history, be. The "issues" occur only when one tries to include them. And then...sit back an watch as the myriad of reasons for why "your edit doesn't work" pour in. I've found that I've been able to edit anything I want, without issue, so long as my edits don't challenge that certain worldview...regardless of how accurate my edit is....regardless of the number or strength of my sources. It's always the same. So, I'm labelled as some SJW drama queen with an "agenda"...and it's easier to dismiss me. To call me "difficult." "Aggressive." To accuse me of "throwing fits." To band together and say my calls of differential treatment are all in my head. I get it. And hopefully you do now too. Justbean ( talk) 18:49, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
Howdy! Justbean, if you felt that I was chastizing you, that was not my intent, so I apologize. Regarding someone adding input to a talk page, you never know when someone may do so, talk page stalker or not. You say you are trying to learn the Wikipedia community. Community is the key word there. We are all a community of editors who should be working together for collaboration. And for consensus when there are issues. So, perhaps not rejecting another editor's input is a good idea, is what I was trying to say, no matter who they are. They might turn out to be someone like Atsme, who knows quite a lot about rodeo, I would venture to say more than both of us put together. My only intent was to say please let's all be more courteous to talk page stalkers or anyone who joins in a conversation on a talk page. We would do the same on an article talk page too. As for myself, I have only been seriously editing for 10 months, and I have already had one serious issue with an article I created that brought me to the point I almost quit Wikipedia. A reviewer inaccurately marked it for copyright violation, and then went out and searched my other articles for copyright vio and marked three others. A big mess. It was quotes that I had used from sources. It was these experienced editors, Montanabw, Atsme, White Arabian Filly, and other talk page stalkers that convinced me to stay. And also without montanabw as my mentor, I would be so far behind in my knowledge and editing ability than I am now. I mean huge difference. So naturally I would tell others the great things they can learn from these editors. And none of us are perfect. Having these other editors to assist and assist me is something that makes a huge difference. I highly advise it! Just on my last new article when I moved it to mainspace, I had an issue where the reviewer marked it for deletion due to notability. The subject was clearly notable. I posted on my talk page for help, and Atsme fairly quickly responded and messaged the reviewer about the notability guidelines for rodeo which I did not know well enough yet and took care of it. We are all members of the wikiprojects that handle the rodeo articles. That's one reason why we support each other. So anytime you edit rodeo articles, you will find that at least one of us are stewarding them. For myself, I would rather us get along together. I have no stewardship role in Cowboy. My interests mostly lie in bull riding. Happy Trails! dawnleelynn (talk) 20:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly, great to hear from you, and thanks for taking the time to not only read what I wrote (I know it's epic), but to also reach out/chime in. As for bias...yes, I do think there is bias on Wiki. As there is in all walks of life. Let me explain... I've contributed edits to 226 articles over 6 years, and of those...55% have been minor edits. I've never complained against anyone, and have only requested for two of my contributions to be restored. Once for a requested move on the Tulsa race riots...and once for my edit of Cowboys (coinciding with a request for the restoration of my contribution to Stephen F. Austin...which was reverted by the same person). And because I refuted these reversions, and pressed to have them reversed, I've been called names and have had judgment passed upon my intent, my politics, and my psychology. In six years...I've only felt compelled to fight for 2 edits –– 2 –– and the fact that my inquiry led to two similar experiences....leads me to think bias has played a role. I base my thinking on Wiki's recognition of its own bias, on articles written about Wiki's bias, and on a recognition of bias in human psychology. The idea that 9/10 editors are similar, by gender and race, would present bias in anything. For example, if you have 9 Russian male writers on a TV show, their worldview bias will be reflected in the TV show. Just as it would for 9 Chinese women. Or 9 black female cops. Or 9 Hispanic mothers, etc. There are many examples of Wiki bias. For example, bias contributes to only 17% of Wiki biographies being about women, it's exemplified in one editor making about 50,000 edits by changing the phrase "comprised of" to something else that makes "more sense" to him, and is expressed in the fact that one of the three most cited reasons that editors contribute to Wiki is "ideology." The issue, I think, is that most people think "bias" is a bad word. Somehow, they equate "bias" with " racist" or " discriminatory." And that's not necessarily true. Can bias lead to racism/discrimination? Sure. But that's not what bias, on it's own, is. Cultural bias is psychological...ALL people have it. It's literally a fact of life. Take a look at how Wiki defines "bias":
So, the fact that I'm being judged, not across the totality of my 226 edits...but on my pushback about these two edits...well, that demonstrates my point. And editors have been very quick to defend Montanabw's character, expressing some version of "...she's not like that." But bias isn't about one's character. It's about psychology. Yet, because people equate it with racism/discrimination, they disassociate themselves of the word, condemn those who accuse them of it as being overly sensitive, and do whatever they can to return things back to a place of psychological comfort. So, unless you're not human...we're all susceptible to it. Programs and policies, like Affirmative Action, were implemented to block racism/discrimination that arises from bias. For example, bias is personally preferring "white" names. While discrimination is ignoring resumes with "black" names. So, while bias is an intuituve psychological feeling...discrimination/racism is an actionable choice. But unless/until people stop conflating "bias" with "racist"/"discriminatory," they will never see, or acknowledge, bias for what it is. This isn't about politics...but about recognizing that, as humans, our perceptions are filled with blindspots. The fact remains that of my 226 edits...editors have only taken drastic exception with 3 of them. And what those 3 edits have in common is that they were edits that included minority experience/contributions/presence on "white" pages and/or challenged white historical interpretations. So, while it's fine for editors to say bias played no part in this, human psychology refutes that...as does Wiki's admission of its own bias. Again, that doesn't mean I'm accusing anyone on Wiki of racism/discrimination. However, my experience on Wiki does feel like I've come across bias...specifically confirmation bias, attribution bias, self-serving bias and status quo bias. So, please know that I'm not accusing the Wiki community of anything other than being human. And being human is imperfect. Which is why we sometimes don't recognize the humanity/perceptions/voice of others unless we can relate to them. It's why we show solidarity when 137 Parisians die in a terror attack, but are barely aware when an entire Congolese village is hacked and burned to death. So, from one human to another, it's important for us to point out bias, recognize it, and try not to let it interfere with the accurate recording of the way the world is/was...for preference of the way we see it. As for Montanabw...she's reached out to me and has tried to help me. I'm working on doing some new edits in hopes that we can start off on a fresh foot. In any event...am hopeful for a better experience on Wiki, all around. So, again, thank you for caring enough to reach out and help :) Justbean ( talk) 22:54, 5 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey all, if you haven't noticed, we are hijacking Dawnleelynn's talkpage. How about taking this party to someone else's userspace? (And not mine, either)
Montanabw
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Montanbw Thank you.
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Moved Oscar to mainspace. Did some copyediting and have some hidden text questions for you to answer, hope my changes didn't go too far. I'll look at the other draft later. Montanabw (talk) 21:47, 17 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Atsme Hey you two, feel free to chime in on the brand # issue or help me with the graphics issue on Oscar or Long John below...montanabw is so busy. She has helped me a lot already, but if you can spare a bit of time that would be great. And somehow things come around full circle. I can always nominate a DYK for you. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:35, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photo for Long John's article here: [14]. It seems I'm not picking the same option as you because I have to enter more fields than you did in V-16 plus provide a list of verification for historic use (like I did with Red Rock, Tornado, and Challenge of the Champions). Also, I am having trouble using the file in his article, I get an error message. Still so much to learn on these graphics I guess. I wanted to get a few other bulls images in for ones who are deceased. dawnleelynn (talk) 19:29, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw Atsme White Arabian Filly
I just uploaded and added a photograph for deceased PRCA Bull of the Year (and also PBR Brand of Honor bull) Red Wolf. The image is at: [15] if anyone gets a chance, can they patrol it for me? It looks quite good in the article, and there was no quirkiness in the infobox this time like there was with Long John. This is not a rush as the file seems to be working well in the article. Thanks! Let me say, I'm working towards a time when I can self patrol my own articles and files, if anyone has any tips for speeding this up, please share. :) I know I need at least 25 articles under my belt. dawnleelynn (talk) 20:33, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly Thanks! And now you know you can do those too! dawnleelynn (talk) 21:17, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I see from my Watchlist you patrolled Red Wolf's photo file. WAF did, but I'm sure it won't hurt to have it done twice. Thanks! It was probably easier to just run through all three and be done with it. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photograph for deceased Brand of Honor and World Champion bull Mossy Oak Mudslinger. However, there seem to be glitches again. Once I insert the image in the article in the infobox some of the content seems to vanish for the rest of the article. File is at: [16] dawnleelynn (talk) 20:58, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I see from my Watchlist you patrolled Mossy Oak Mudslinger's photo file. Thanks a bunch! dawnleelynn (talk) 16:19, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
I uploaded a photograph for the ProRodeo Hall of Fame deceased bucking bull Oscar. The same issue that is happening to Mossy Oak Mudslinger is happening here. So, can try again later maybe, or whens someone checks Mudslinger, they can check this one too. The file is here: [17]. Many thanks... This is the last article that needed a photograph. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:04, 18 August 2017 (UTC) And then will need patrolled. Also note has no author listed, all photos I could find for him have no author or publication. It's very sparse finding photos and none have authorized sources with the photographer listed. Not even the ProRodeo Hall of Fame photo. dawnleelynn (talk) 22:57, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello. User:Montanabw tells me you might be a good person to ask for a picture of John C. Hunton's grave (including the Confederate marker) in Lakeview Cemetery, Cheyenne, Wyoming. If so, could you please take a few pictures asap (in case they're planning to remove it)? Thank you. Zigzig20s ( talk) 19:34, 22 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s Hi, sure I know exactly where that cemetery is already. There is no talk here in Cheyenne about any kind of removal of any Confederate monuments or other items whatsoever. At any rate, I will be going to a building right next door to that cemetary the day after tomorrow. And I have a nice digital camera I can use to snap a few shots. No problem at all. I will post here again after I have them. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:17, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s Yes, I did ask for an account weeks ago. I got an approval notice, and now I've been waiting for many weeks for that email with a username and password. I know it's supposed to take awhile, but this seems really slow. Also, how does that help regular users reading the article? You know, the ones who aren't editors? Just a thought. You can make clippings that don't require subscriptions to view. [24] Obviously, I haven't actually done it since I can't get an account working so I don't know if it will let you clip all of what you need, and you may have already checked this feature out. Just throwing it out there. dawnleelynn (talk) 18:24, 26 August 2017 (UTC)
Zigzig20s cc: Montanabw Per our discussion in the previous section on this talk page, John C. Hunton's grave, I have created a first draft of the article, Wyoming Pioneer Association, in my sandbox. I also created the talk page with wiki projects in it. It's actually fairly close to finished, unless you and montanabw care to take a swipe at some editing in it. Feel free. I will do another another review and copy edit of it again in about two days. I want to take a couple days away from it and let it gel, let my mind settle and then come back. Oh, montanabw also advised that the Wyoming Pioneer Museum portion is definitely notable, since the Wyoming State Legislature provided the funds for the new building and owns it. Zigzig20s, please also weigh in on how you feel the article stands in its current state regarding notability. I have no experience in these types of articles. I was also hoping you would patrol the article once I move it into mainspace. You have been here over 10 years, so I am thinking you have that right. I have only been editing seriously about a year, and I'm about halfway to creating enough articles to earn that right. Thanks! dawnleelynn (talk) 19:43, 30 August 2017 (UTC)
White Arabian Filly
It's coincidence but the article you patrolled for me in my Userspace
Miniature bull riding just got reviewed. I just got a message and this showed up in my Watchlist. This had happened with others that were reviewed in Userspace, part of why I think I need to get them reviewed after moving to Mainspace. Fortunately, the reviewer approved it with no changes.
(Page curation log); 13:22 . . Wgolf (talk | contribs) marked Miniature bull riding as reviewed
Zigzig20s Ok, I added some secondary sources to the article, let me know what you think now thanks. dawnleelynn (talk) 02:50, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Saw your notes, will try to get to them later this weekend. My desktop decided to crash bad enough to need a full restore and I'm still working through that. Am volunteering at the library book sale much of the rest of the weekend so it'll be a bit. Ealdgyth - Talk 00:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Ealdgyth Ok, this is just to notify you that I am done, and what I've done. You can respond at your convenience. Truly, there's no rush. All link work I did, I kept the formatting already in place or as discussed previously. I used the Checklinks tool on each article to identify broken links. The best way to check the articles I changed might be by following this article:
American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame rather than a watchlist. That's what I followed to change the articles.
1. Replaced all of the AQHA horse induction links and hall of fame inductee links that were either archive links or broken links.
2. Replaced any AQHA generic links with specific links to the horse's hall of fame induction page when there weren't any.
3. Replaced all third party broken links with links from the web site if it was just a case of it being reorganized.
4. Replaced third party broken links with archive links from the Wayback Machine when replacements could not be found anywhere else.
5. For the NCHA and NRHA, the links for the hall of fame and earnings were broken for both, so I just replaced the URLs in all of these articles. You will note all of the links are different now as they changed their root URL.
6. Wrote messages in the article's talk page when broken links could not be resolved addressed to you.
7. Added horse's date of induction into the AQHA hall of fame, date of death, cause of death when missing and it was in their AQHA hall of fame induction page.
8. Added the AQHA Hall of Fame members (horses) category to every horse's article if missing. I believe there is around 87 horses in that category now.
9. The following two URLs in External Links are very unreliable now.
I think I learned a bit about horses this weekend. Wow, a horse that sucked eggs through the shell and chased chickens off their nest to get their eggs. LOL! If it comes up (and I hope it won't as I was very careful) before you spend any significant time changing anything, ask me about it. I might be able to change it with AWB and a quick search and replace. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:29, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Category:Rodeo performers (other), which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 02:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Koavf Justin, I read this message late last night and commented in the discussion, as you have already probably have seen. I gather it is pretty much procedural to notify the creator of the category, but wanted to acknowledge the heads-up here as well. dawnleelynn (talk) 16:59, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
Hello,
I have reviewed your DYK? nomination here: Template:Did you know nominations/Eternal Sun. Basically, you need to do a QPQ (Quid Pro Quo). If you do that, though, then I think that your DYK? nomination will be good to go! Futurist110 ( talk) 01:42, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Futurist110 ( talk · contribs) Hello, thank you for reviewing and correcting my DYK? nomination on Eternal Sun which I added today. I just fixed a mistake in the source content, a small one. This is only my third nomination. The first two nominations I did not have to do a QPQ. They were promoted and ran without a QPQ. My two mentors I've worked with for a year said the first five are basically "free" per the rules in WP:WIADYK where it says "Exception: If, at the time a nomination is promoted to the main page, its nominator has fewer than five DYK credits (whether or not self-nominated) then the nomination is exempt from QPQ."
You can see this for yourself in my last DYK? on Charmayne James at [26] where the promoter says, "QPQ satisfied, user has not yet received enough Did you know credits to need to do this yet." by Sagecandor.
Thanks for again for reviewing and let me know if I missed anything or misunderstood anything. I very much appreciate your help! dawnleelynn (talk) 03:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Dawn. I seem to have upset you with one of my recent edits, which wasn't my intention at all. Sorry if that is the case. I left you a question on the talk page above, which relates to why I made the change. It's safe to say that you have way more knowledge of rodeo than I do, so please have a look at your convenience so we can get the wording right. Giants2008 ( Talk) 17:31, 27 September 2017 (UTC)
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Boy, the new version of the Bodacious article is a real challenge, isn't it? Redundant sections, a disaster of organization -- you are making valiant headway but I'm not sure it's worth it -- Maybe the thing to do is to WP:TNT it -- start a sandbox draft with the section headings needed for good structure, then move in only the good stuff from the existing article, and then when the draft is solid, overwrite the whole article with the new version. Montanabw (talk) 02:23, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
P.S. A Charbray is a Charolais and a Brahman cross. dawnleelynn (talk) 03:34, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw Here is the sandbox for Bodacious: User:Dawnleelynn/Bodacious (bull). I also added a talk page. I did not copy everything in from the mainspace article. I figured that could come last. I just added the wikiproject. The sandbox just contains the Infobox and the first sentence, albeit with the end chopped off for now. I did not add the picture of Bodacious to the article; it was there when I started expanding way back when. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:08, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
Montanabw I'd also like to change the date format on the references to US format and I'll put in the coding that Ealgdyth uses on her horse articles for it. I will also try to do a better job of formatting the references this time around. dawnleelynn (talk) 17:53, 3 October 2017 (UTC)
On 8 October 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Eternal Sun, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that hall of fame horse Eternal Sun's owner purchased him with an IOU written on a corner torn from the page of the seller's catalog? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Eternal Sun. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Eternal Sun), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih Talk 02:48, 8 October 2017 (UTC)
I saw your !vote on the Chris Sherwin AfD and I wanted to address a couple of things since you'd mentioned you were newish. AfD is supposed to be a discussion, not a vote, that determines whether or not an article should be kept on Wikipedia; the best arguments centre around whether the article does or does not meet relevant policies. That's why the nominator put all that in the nomination statement. Whether the nominator is neutral on the article subject - or not - really doesn't matter.
Also, the nominator has not found some others editors who have also obviously been apprised of the fact that the article subject was a Wikipedian
; to say this implies that the nominator
WP:CANVASSED other editors, which would be a big no-no. The nominator has not canvassed participants (you can tell based on
his contributions). Thanks!
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21:56, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
Ca2james I am going to assume good faith in your message. I am willing to conclude the process is more of a discussion than votes, especially after seeing the latest comments in the AfD. As for collusion in the AfD, your link to WP:CANVASSED does mention stealthy ways to communicate, so it's possible. However, to accuse without proof was not a good idea, even if the comments all seemed to show up around the same time. The AfD is now much larger and includes comments from all different viewpoints, so I would have been wise to hold my tongue. Thanks. dawnleelynn (talk) 23:09, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
You did it!!!
Charmayne James was promoted to GA!!! It was a fun project to work with you on. I enjoyed our collaboration. We're all so proud of you and the good work you're doing!!
Atsme
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Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family! White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC) |
Thank you for fixing your signature even before I asked you to. Your signature is fine, but it would be OK to shorten it from
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Anomalocaris Um, I just noticed my signature is now green instead of red... dawnleelynn (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
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On 13 December 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Code Blue (bull), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the owners of Code Blue, the Professional Bull Riders' 2009 World Champion bucking bull, fed him waffles? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Code Blue (bull). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, Code Blue (bull)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Alex Shih ( talk) 00:08, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
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Happy Holiday Cheer!! |
in the spirit of the season. What's especially nice about this digitized version: *it doesn't need water *won't catch fire *and batteries aren't required. |
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Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:52, 17 December 2017 (UTC) |
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Merry Christmas |
Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC) |
Merry Christmas Dawnleelynn!!
Hi Dawnleelynn, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year,
Thanks for all your help and contributions on the 'pedia!
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...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk ( talk) 23:49, 23 December 2017 (UTC)
Merry
Rexxmas
2018
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Compliments of the season Wishing you all the best for 2018 — good health, sufficient wealth, peace and contentment | |
Cheers! ‑ ‑ Gareth Griffith‑Jones The Welsh Buzzard ‑ ‑ 18:40, 24 December 2017 (UTC) |
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