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Well done on a very comprehensive article. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Stunning addition!!! Many compliments!!! I've a question: what do you think about Byzantine Empire article as a whole. Many people consider it a featured article, but I don't think. They just evaluate length, but details are greatly lacking. There are still many periods to examine better in detail, such as the 14th century or the 8th; I tried to cope adding some stuff from my Ostrogorsky for the period 9th-10th century, but in the end I got a bit tired. What do you think? Ciao and good work. -- Attilios 09:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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Please see the discussion I started on the background color of this template at Template talk:Infobox Hellenic Navy. I would welcome your comments. Argos' Dad 19:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
As you noticed, I rewrote and vastly expanded the article on the Battle of Heliopolis. I welcome any critique you could offer, in the hopes I can improve my work. ArgosDad has been kind enough to offer me help in assessing my work, but I don't want to impose on him constantly. Thanks, John1951 02:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you - I appreciate the editing help. I did not check the discussion page there, and you explained your reasoning - thank you. I will respond there, but thank you again for your help. John1951 12:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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Please see the discussion page as to why it should not have the word "Dynasty".
Without meaning to sound cheeky, please discuss such a bold change before implementing. Or at least leave a message.
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Since this discussion is not yet over, the article should be as it was before the change and yet it isn't. Thats wiki policy isn't it? Tourskin 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article "Pentapolis" is a verbatim copy of most sections of the "Cyrenaica" article, and provides no new or specific information on the Pentapolis itself. As such, it is redundant. If no objection is noted or significant material added to the Pentapolis page, I'll turn it into a redirect page. Cplakidas 23:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Including the information you mentioned is important to explain relationship between Pentapolis (North Africa) and Cyrenaic.
The article Pentapolis (North Africa) is being developed to include information about the history of the Eparchy as part of both the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Greek Orthodox Church.
I am in favour of keeping them separate. -- Ghaly 19:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
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Ah very nice, didn't know that was meant. Mallerd 12:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I rather to remove the Turkish-Portuguese War in the board. Doncsecz —Preceding comment was added at 14:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
There the Battle of Matapan, near the combatants Kingdom of Portugal. And on of the my references one hungarian book: Attila and Balázs Weiszhár: Lexicon of Battles (Csaták lexikona). This enough? Doncsecz —Preceding comment was added at 16:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Naturally, I added my comment even though it is quite difficult to even begin discussing with a guy like him who talks to things such as national fighting mentalities etc. which belong in a Nazi-era textbook rather than Wikipedia. Na eheis iremia, den tha kerdiseis tipota an fenete oti eheis mallosei me ton malaka... mono boroume na kanoume revert kai tha ton blokarisoun. AlexiusComnenus 21:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow Cplakidas, I LIKES that map you made of Rome in AD 400! It looks like it's based on the same map I based my East-Hem maps on. How did you get one that was so large? I'd like to get a full world map that zooms in as close as yours does, but haven't had much luck finding one yet. I actually had to piece mine together (and that wasn't easy!).
As for your questions regarding the borders on my maps, I'd be happy to correct them if you could send me source information I can use to correct the borders. Non-wiki source info please; I've already seen too many errors on Wikipedia, and too many editors who have agendas to keep out correct information.
Thanks for your comments though; I look forward to working further with you. Great map of Rome! Thomas Lessman 22:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the source maps, Cplakidas. I remember seeing the ones on the geocities site a while back, but the borders were 20 years out of date for the 565 map. Looking at them, I can see my borders are most likely off, but by how much? I actually had used the first map you posted as the source for my borders of Yemen and the Lakhmids in 565, but I can tell I need to re-work them as well. How would you depict the borders of the Arab states in 565 and in 600? Thomas Lessman 20:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I can see I was pretty far off on my borders in Nubia/Sudan. I had previously thought the Blemmyes were destroyed before the 400s; I now understand I was way wrong. It looks like they were around until at least 1000 AD, if not longer. I think you're right about the Lakhmids maintaining until at least 602; I thought they fell a few years earlier. I'm trying to figure out how I'll redraw the borders in Arabia. There may be a lot of land under the ambiguous "Arabian Tribes" designation, and I'll be doing a bit more work on the Sassanid/Arab borders tomorrow.
Yikes, just when you think you might have a finished map... lol Thomas Lessman 22:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay Cplakidas, I corrected one of the maps (565AD) and uploaded it. Might not be refreshed yet in Wikipedia's site. You can see the updated version on my website, at www.ThomasLessman.com/History/images/East-Hem_565ad.jpg. Please check it out and let me know what you think. If it's correct, I'll start working on the other maps. Thomas Lessman 16:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Hello Cplakidas. Sorry for my delayed response, I have not been on Wiki that often as of late. I am quite confident it was Troglita, after all he was named dux Mesopotamiae when he was assigned to the Eastern frontier with Belisarius. It would be my pleasure to show you a source. Here it is:
J.A.S. Evans, The Age of Justinian: The Circumstances of Imperial Power, Routledge 1996, p. 166.
I actually got this citation from another Wiki article. It happened to be the the John Troglita article itself. Under the first sub-level headline is a title reading "Early Career". And the last sentence of that paragraph (footnoted by the above source) reads:
"...He achieved several small successes against the Persians: he led his army in a successful night attack against the Persian force besieging Theodosiopolis, and then defeated another Persian army besieging Dara, capturing its general, Mihr-Mihroe."
Warmest regards, friend. -- Arsenous Commodore 03:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Vale Costantine ;-)
I wanted to thank you a lot for improving the article about Gül Mosque. What do you think about it? Except the language style, of course... :-( Too long, too short, too unbalanced? I am trying to cover all the "minor" Byzantine Churches of Istanbul, and comments are welcome! Thanks again, Kalimera, Alex2006 ( talk) 12:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hallo Constantinos,
I am really touched because of the barnstar that you awarded me! I don't think that I deserved it, but this is a further incentive to write good articles. Thanks a lot for your help! I am also glad that a Greek is helping me in describing this subject. I have been studying ancient Greek at the high school, but now it became a little bit stiff. ;-) Vale, Alex2006 ( talk) 13:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry to undo your shrinkage of the Roman empire map, but I can't see how it interferes with the text in any way. These is no point in having the map so small that you can't read the captions. This is incovenient for the reader, who has to click evry time he wants to use the map 3 December 12.10 (UTC) EraNavigator 12:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the map info: excellent map of the empire by the way. I wish I knew how to make maps: is there some beginner's software you would recommend? By the way you might like to read the articles I've written (wholly or mainly): Roman auxiliaries, List of Roman auxiliary regiments (nearly complete), Late Roman army (started), Roman roads in Britain, Via Aemilia, Battle of Navarino, Cape Sounion, Paros. Your comments on any of these would be much appreciated. Best wishes EraNavigator ( talk) 19:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Also: Peregrinus (Roman) and Laeti EraNavigator ( talk) 19:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This page is in the middle of a pretty major clean-up, which involves removing organisations that have not been explicitly designated as terrorist organisations. As such, I've reverted your change, as the source you provided does not support their status as a designated terrorist organisation. If you can find another source saying that they are a designated organisation, then by all means, put them back in. -- Mark Chovain 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I edited Principality of Pindus but please disregard my edit summary - I didn't say what I meant to say. I'll just say it here: Most of the Greek speakers probably spoke Greek as a second language to Aromanian or Macedonian (now called Slavika). Alchiviad and the Italians discouraged the use of Greek because the principality was meant to be an Aromanian state. For those three years I doubt if anyone actually spoke Greek (let alone was allowed to). BalkanFever ( talk) 04:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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Salve, Cplakidas. Happy New Year. Just a few points arising from your recent contribs to Late Roman army.
(1) " comitatenses armies were composed mostly of cavalry." This is simply wrong. Most such armies were mainly infantry. P. Heather Fall of the Roman Empire (2005) 63). e.g. the comitatus Thracum, which contained 21 legiones (inf) and just 7 vexillationes (cav) (Not Dig).
(2) The supposed rise of the cavalry in the 3rd century. This is a Gibbonic fallacy, just like barbarisation. It does appear that Gallienus substantially increased the size of his own cavalry escort by attaching the cavalry from some legions, and some foederati, to the imperial horseguards. But there is no evidence that cavalry increased as a proportion of the army as a whole (Goldsworthy Roman Warfare 169). The evidence of the Not Dig is that the cavalry to infantry ratio in the 4th century was much the same as in the 2nd. (Heather Fall 63)
(3) The claim that the overall army size increased substantially in the late period. This view, based (I think) on AHM Jones, is also based on superseded data. It used to be thought that the 2nd century auxilia numbered roughly the same as the legions i.e. c150,000. But, using more recent diploma evidence, P. Holder has shown that they numbered at least 220,000 (and there is good reason to believe they were as many as 250,000 - see Roman auxiliaries). Adding in the c20,000 troops in Rome, that makes the 2nd century army (excluding fleets) 390,000 - 420,000 strong. The Lydus figure of 389,704 for the army (exc fleets) under Diocletian is thus at the bottom end of the 2nd century range. Although it is likely that army size increased substantially under Constantine, (and then diminished rapidly after Adrianople) the best evidence is that the 4th century army at no stage exceeded the 2nd century army in size. N.B. The Agathias figure of 645,000 is today discounted by historians (Heather Fall 63)
(4) A minor point. You state that the limitanei units were under the command of regional comites and duces. I thought comites commanded comitatenses only?
Please let me know your views. Vale 86.85.44.73 ( talk) 09:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to sign in. EraNavigator ( talk) 09:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
(1) I remain unconvinced by the rise of cavalry/decline of infantry thesis, for the simple reason that there is no cogent evidence of it.
(a) Cavalry numbers:
(b) Cavalry status: Cavalry already had a higher status in the 2nd century: although an auxiliary infantryman was paid less than a legionary, an eques cohortalis was paid the same and an eques alaris 20% more. The 4th century situation was thus nothing new.
(c) Infantry efficiency: The view that the efficiency of the infantry declined and that cavalry was the only effective element of the comitatenses really has no support in the evidence. In all the battles described by Ammianus Marcellinus, the infantry are as important (and effective) as in the 2nd century.
In conclusion, I suggest you drop the rise of cavalry/decline of infantry thesis altogether. The 4th century army had a broadly similar ratio of cavalry to infantry as the 2nd century army and relied on both in the same way, with the proviso that the number of heavily armoured cavalry units increased.
(2) You raise the interesting point about Belisarius' army. As I originally envisaged it, the scope of this article was to encompass only the army described by the Notitia Dignitatum and Ammianus i.e. the army in the 4th and early 5th centuries. But we can certainly cover the 6th century East Roman army also, so long as we remember that it was a different army to the Notitia army. For one thing, it did have a higher proportion of cavalry (although to what extent, I don't know) and it was also smaller than the Notitia army: according to Agathias, 150,000 (hence his complaint about its decline from its supposed peak of 645,000 in earlier times: his comparison is false, because the latter figure refers to the whole empire: in the 4th century, the eastern army was probably c200,000). If you do cover the Belisarius army, I suggest you make a clear distinction between the Notitia 4th century army and the 6th century Eastern army (perhaps even separate sections?)
(3) Overall army size: Agathias' figure is widely dismissed because he was hardly contemporaneous (late 6th century, up to 3 centuries after the event) and also because he does not specify which period his figure relates to (it has all the appearance of a rough guesstimate probably based on a jumble of sources from different periods a la Vegetius). The Lydus figure, on the other hand, is given greater credit because it is very precise (implying that it comes from a single and official source) and it is specifically related to the rule of Diocletian. It also matches closely the much more certain size of the 2nd/3rd century army. I appreciate that Constantine's army has been estimated by some at 450,000: but this is just speculation. In sum, I suggest that the only safe position is to say: there is no convincing evidence that the 4th century army ever significantly exceeded the 2nd century army in size (except possibly under Constantine I, when it may have been 10-15% larger).
Anyway, I am glad you are involved in expanding this article. I intend to add to it myself, so no doubt we'll talk again about it. Vale 86.85.44.73 ( talk) 23:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC) EraNavigator ( talk) 23:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Ciao Konstantinos, and happy New Year! If you have some time, can you please have a look to this? I have been again in the City... ;-)
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Hallo Konstantinos, kalimera! Again some work for you, if you have time and lust, of course. I am running short of churches in the City... ;-) About Zeyrek, on that paper there was not much worth of being written on Wikipedia (was a pre-pre-paper). Many thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 08:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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Awesome work there, my Greek friend. (I'm a Grecophile). If I wasn't Assyrian, I would like to have been Greek. Tourskin ( talk) 01:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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Well done on a very comprehensive article. Blnguyen ( bananabucket) 07:28, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
Stunning addition!!! Many compliments!!! I've a question: what do you think about Byzantine Empire article as a whole. Many people consider it a featured article, but I don't think. They just evaluate length, but details are greatly lacking. There are still many periods to examine better in detail, such as the 14th century or the 8th; I tried to cope adding some stuff from my Ostrogorsky for the period 9th-10th century, but in the end I got a bit tired. What do you think? Ciao and good work. -- Attilios 09:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
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Please see the discussion I started on the background color of this template at Template talk:Infobox Hellenic Navy. I would welcome your comments. Argos' Dad 19:37, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
As you noticed, I rewrote and vastly expanded the article on the Battle of Heliopolis. I welcome any critique you could offer, in the hopes I can improve my work. ArgosDad has been kind enough to offer me help in assessing my work, but I don't want to impose on him constantly. Thanks, John1951 02:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Thank you - I appreciate the editing help. I did not check the discussion page there, and you explained your reasoning - thank you. I will respond there, but thank you again for your help. John1951 12:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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Please see the discussion page as to why it should not have the word "Dynasty".
Without meaning to sound cheeky, please discuss such a bold change before implementing. Or at least leave a message.
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Since this discussion is not yet over, the article should be as it was before the change and yet it isn't. Thats wiki policy isn't it? Tourskin 23:43, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article "Pentapolis" is a verbatim copy of most sections of the "Cyrenaica" article, and provides no new or specific information on the Pentapolis itself. As such, it is redundant. If no objection is noted or significant material added to the Pentapolis page, I'll turn it into a redirect page. Cplakidas 23:18, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
Including the information you mentioned is important to explain relationship between Pentapolis (North Africa) and Cyrenaic.
The article Pentapolis (North Africa) is being developed to include information about the history of the Eparchy as part of both the Coptic Orthodox Church and the Greek Orthodox Church.
I am in favour of keeping them separate. -- Ghaly 19:47, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
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Ah very nice, didn't know that was meant. Mallerd 12:00, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello! I rather to remove the Turkish-Portuguese War in the board. Doncsecz —Preceding comment was added at 14:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
There the Battle of Matapan, near the combatants Kingdom of Portugal. And on of the my references one hungarian book: Attila and Balázs Weiszhár: Lexicon of Battles (Csaták lexikona). This enough? Doncsecz —Preceding comment was added at 16:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Naturally, I added my comment even though it is quite difficult to even begin discussing with a guy like him who talks to things such as national fighting mentalities etc. which belong in a Nazi-era textbook rather than Wikipedia. Na eheis iremia, den tha kerdiseis tipota an fenete oti eheis mallosei me ton malaka... mono boroume na kanoume revert kai tha ton blokarisoun. AlexiusComnenus 21:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Wow Cplakidas, I LIKES that map you made of Rome in AD 400! It looks like it's based on the same map I based my East-Hem maps on. How did you get one that was so large? I'd like to get a full world map that zooms in as close as yours does, but haven't had much luck finding one yet. I actually had to piece mine together (and that wasn't easy!).
As for your questions regarding the borders on my maps, I'd be happy to correct them if you could send me source information I can use to correct the borders. Non-wiki source info please; I've already seen too many errors on Wikipedia, and too many editors who have agendas to keep out correct information.
Thanks for your comments though; I look forward to working further with you. Great map of Rome! Thomas Lessman 22:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for the source maps, Cplakidas. I remember seeing the ones on the geocities site a while back, but the borders were 20 years out of date for the 565 map. Looking at them, I can see my borders are most likely off, but by how much? I actually had used the first map you posted as the source for my borders of Yemen and the Lakhmids in 565, but I can tell I need to re-work them as well. How would you depict the borders of the Arab states in 565 and in 600? Thomas Lessman 20:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Wow, I can see I was pretty far off on my borders in Nubia/Sudan. I had previously thought the Blemmyes were destroyed before the 400s; I now understand I was way wrong. It looks like they were around until at least 1000 AD, if not longer. I think you're right about the Lakhmids maintaining until at least 602; I thought they fell a few years earlier. I'm trying to figure out how I'll redraw the borders in Arabia. There may be a lot of land under the ambiguous "Arabian Tribes" designation, and I'll be doing a bit more work on the Sassanid/Arab borders tomorrow.
Yikes, just when you think you might have a finished map... lol Thomas Lessman 22:55, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
Okay Cplakidas, I corrected one of the maps (565AD) and uploaded it. Might not be refreshed yet in Wikipedia's site. You can see the updated version on my website, at www.ThomasLessman.com/History/images/East-Hem_565ad.jpg. Please check it out and let me know what you think. If it's correct, I'll start working on the other maps. Thomas Lessman 16:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
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Please see this discussion: [1] Argos' Dad 16:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Hello Cplakidas. Sorry for my delayed response, I have not been on Wiki that often as of late. I am quite confident it was Troglita, after all he was named dux Mesopotamiae when he was assigned to the Eastern frontier with Belisarius. It would be my pleasure to show you a source. Here it is:
J.A.S. Evans, The Age of Justinian: The Circumstances of Imperial Power, Routledge 1996, p. 166.
I actually got this citation from another Wiki article. It happened to be the the John Troglita article itself. Under the first sub-level headline is a title reading "Early Career". And the last sentence of that paragraph (footnoted by the above source) reads:
"...He achieved several small successes against the Persians: he led his army in a successful night attack against the Persian force besieging Theodosiopolis, and then defeated another Persian army besieging Dara, capturing its general, Mihr-Mihroe."
Warmest regards, friend. -- Arsenous Commodore 03:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
Vale Costantine ;-)
I wanted to thank you a lot for improving the article about Gül Mosque. What do you think about it? Except the language style, of course... :-( Too long, too short, too unbalanced? I am trying to cover all the "minor" Byzantine Churches of Istanbul, and comments are welcome! Thanks again, Kalimera, Alex2006 ( talk) 12:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Hallo Constantinos,
I am really touched because of the barnstar that you awarded me! I don't think that I deserved it, but this is a further incentive to write good articles. Thanks a lot for your help! I am also glad that a Greek is helping me in describing this subject. I have been studying ancient Greek at the high school, but now it became a little bit stiff. ;-) Vale, Alex2006 ( talk) 13:24, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry to undo your shrinkage of the Roman empire map, but I can't see how it interferes with the text in any way. These is no point in having the map so small that you can't read the captions. This is incovenient for the reader, who has to click evry time he wants to use the map 3 December 12.10 (UTC) EraNavigator 12:12, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the map info: excellent map of the empire by the way. I wish I knew how to make maps: is there some beginner's software you would recommend? By the way you might like to read the articles I've written (wholly or mainly): Roman auxiliaries, List of Roman auxiliary regiments (nearly complete), Late Roman army (started), Roman roads in Britain, Via Aemilia, Battle of Navarino, Cape Sounion, Paros. Your comments on any of these would be much appreciated. Best wishes EraNavigator ( talk) 19:04, 15 December 2007 (UTC) Also: Peregrinus (Roman) and Laeti EraNavigator ( talk) 19:13, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
This page is in the middle of a pretty major clean-up, which involves removing organisations that have not been explicitly designated as terrorist organisations. As such, I've reverted your change, as the source you provided does not support their status as a designated terrorist organisation. If you can find another source saying that they are a designated organisation, then by all means, put them back in. -- Mark Chovain 21:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
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Hi. I edited Principality of Pindus but please disregard my edit summary - I didn't say what I meant to say. I'll just say it here: Most of the Greek speakers probably spoke Greek as a second language to Aromanian or Macedonian (now called Slavika). Alchiviad and the Italians discouraged the use of Greek because the principality was meant to be an Aromanian state. For those three years I doubt if anyone actually spoke Greek (let alone was allowed to). BalkanFever ( talk) 04:06, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
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Salve, Cplakidas. Happy New Year. Just a few points arising from your recent contribs to Late Roman army.
(1) " comitatenses armies were composed mostly of cavalry." This is simply wrong. Most such armies were mainly infantry. P. Heather Fall of the Roman Empire (2005) 63). e.g. the comitatus Thracum, which contained 21 legiones (inf) and just 7 vexillationes (cav) (Not Dig).
(2) The supposed rise of the cavalry in the 3rd century. This is a Gibbonic fallacy, just like barbarisation. It does appear that Gallienus substantially increased the size of his own cavalry escort by attaching the cavalry from some legions, and some foederati, to the imperial horseguards. But there is no evidence that cavalry increased as a proportion of the army as a whole (Goldsworthy Roman Warfare 169). The evidence of the Not Dig is that the cavalry to infantry ratio in the 4th century was much the same as in the 2nd. (Heather Fall 63)
(3) The claim that the overall army size increased substantially in the late period. This view, based (I think) on AHM Jones, is also based on superseded data. It used to be thought that the 2nd century auxilia numbered roughly the same as the legions i.e. c150,000. But, using more recent diploma evidence, P. Holder has shown that they numbered at least 220,000 (and there is good reason to believe they were as many as 250,000 - see Roman auxiliaries). Adding in the c20,000 troops in Rome, that makes the 2nd century army (excluding fleets) 390,000 - 420,000 strong. The Lydus figure of 389,704 for the army (exc fleets) under Diocletian is thus at the bottom end of the 2nd century range. Although it is likely that army size increased substantially under Constantine, (and then diminished rapidly after Adrianople) the best evidence is that the 4th century army at no stage exceeded the 2nd century army in size. N.B. The Agathias figure of 645,000 is today discounted by historians (Heather Fall 63)
(4) A minor point. You state that the limitanei units were under the command of regional comites and duces. I thought comites commanded comitatenses only?
Please let me know your views. Vale 86.85.44.73 ( talk) 09:31, 7 January 2008 (UTC) Sorry, forgot to sign in. EraNavigator ( talk) 09:32, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
(1) I remain unconvinced by the rise of cavalry/decline of infantry thesis, for the simple reason that there is no cogent evidence of it.
(a) Cavalry numbers:
(b) Cavalry status: Cavalry already had a higher status in the 2nd century: although an auxiliary infantryman was paid less than a legionary, an eques cohortalis was paid the same and an eques alaris 20% more. The 4th century situation was thus nothing new.
(c) Infantry efficiency: The view that the efficiency of the infantry declined and that cavalry was the only effective element of the comitatenses really has no support in the evidence. In all the battles described by Ammianus Marcellinus, the infantry are as important (and effective) as in the 2nd century.
In conclusion, I suggest you drop the rise of cavalry/decline of infantry thesis altogether. The 4th century army had a broadly similar ratio of cavalry to infantry as the 2nd century army and relied on both in the same way, with the proviso that the number of heavily armoured cavalry units increased.
(2) You raise the interesting point about Belisarius' army. As I originally envisaged it, the scope of this article was to encompass only the army described by the Notitia Dignitatum and Ammianus i.e. the army in the 4th and early 5th centuries. But we can certainly cover the 6th century East Roman army also, so long as we remember that it was a different army to the Notitia army. For one thing, it did have a higher proportion of cavalry (although to what extent, I don't know) and it was also smaller than the Notitia army: according to Agathias, 150,000 (hence his complaint about its decline from its supposed peak of 645,000 in earlier times: his comparison is false, because the latter figure refers to the whole empire: in the 4th century, the eastern army was probably c200,000). If you do cover the Belisarius army, I suggest you make a clear distinction between the Notitia 4th century army and the 6th century Eastern army (perhaps even separate sections?)
(3) Overall army size: Agathias' figure is widely dismissed because he was hardly contemporaneous (late 6th century, up to 3 centuries after the event) and also because he does not specify which period his figure relates to (it has all the appearance of a rough guesstimate probably based on a jumble of sources from different periods a la Vegetius). The Lydus figure, on the other hand, is given greater credit because it is very precise (implying that it comes from a single and official source) and it is specifically related to the rule of Diocletian. It also matches closely the much more certain size of the 2nd/3rd century army. I appreciate that Constantine's army has been estimated by some at 450,000: but this is just speculation. In sum, I suggest that the only safe position is to say: there is no convincing evidence that the 4th century army ever significantly exceeded the 2nd century army in size (except possibly under Constantine I, when it may have been 10-15% larger).
Anyway, I am glad you are involved in expanding this article. I intend to add to it myself, so no doubt we'll talk again about it. Vale 86.85.44.73 ( talk) 23:13, 7 January 2008 (UTC) EraNavigator ( talk) 23:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
Ciao Konstantinos, and happy New Year! If you have some time, can you please have a look to this? I have been again in the City... ;-)
Thanks, Alex2006 09:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hallo Konstantinos, kalimera! Again some work for you, if you have time and lust, of course. I am running short of churches in the City... ;-) About Zeyrek, on that paper there was not much worth of being written on Wikipedia (was a pre-pre-paper). Many thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 08:24, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
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Hallo Konstantinos, something small for you again...Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 06:47, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Awesome work there, my Greek friend. (I'm a Grecophile). If I wasn't Assyrian, I would like to have been Greek. Tourskin ( talk) 01:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
I Megali Ekklesia on 18 February, 2008. Cheers, Alex2006 ( talk) 11:40, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
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