Hi, saw this and immediately thought of you and that tomb
Ϣere SpielChequers 08:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
This takes me back... I remember being terrified by the tomb of The Wolf of Badenoch when taken to Dunkeld Cathedral as a small child. Not because he was a scary person (he was) but because they turned him into stone along with his pet dog which they put by his feet. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 14:26, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in, but there is certainly something that can be written here. I think a key piece of research here is a 1909 paper by Alfred Cooper Fryer in Archaeologia, on " Wooden Monumental Effigies in England and Wales". [4] And a revised version of that paper from 1924. More recently, there is a nice doctoral dissertation (Proefschrift) on "Early Secular Effigies in England" from the Thirteenth Century here: [5] That includes a list of 213 examples, with images, several of which are both early with either effigy or tomb/box or both in wood. We have images of most (see below), many look to be in surprisingly good condition given their age. Mostly lions at their feet, I think, not dogs. Only three have the original wooden box - Pitchford, Westminster, and Salisbury. I've not included Pitchford again below, and we don't seem to have images for two in St Mary's, Woodford, Northamptonshire. [6]
The tomb of William de Valence clearly shows the early use of blank arcades as decoration, that could be filled in by "weepers" in later examples. See the discussion on p.29. We don't have a good image of the extraordinary canopied tomb of Aymer de Valence at Westminster, which is said to be the earliest example of "weepers" in England. [7] Theramin ( talk) 00:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Looking at the Wolf of Badenoch's "dog" it does appear to have a mane... Catfish Jim and the soapdish 09:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
You are welcome. Impressed with your find of the 1924 updated version of the Fryer article at archive.com. Happy editing. Theramin ( talk) 00:21, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Er, something like Wooden tomb effigies in medieval England? Theramin ( talk) 00:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, late coming back to this. (Apologies, too much other stuff going on: I hadn't expected to be worrying about parents quite so soon after the demands of children decreased, but this is life. My very strong recommendation is to settle as near to at least some family as you can bear. And so the muse has largely escaped me for some considerable time.)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "early modern" (late medieval? early renaissance? eg Donatello? even into the 16th or 17th centuries?) and I am by no means an expert either, but if it is tomb effigies you are after, we have things like the Tomb of Antipope John XXIII and the Scaliger Tombs. How about the tomb of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York (right)? Theramin ( talk) 01:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. I am currently working on it, but please come again in a few days and check my wordings, I am not always sure if it's ok since English is not my mother tongue. Would be much appreciated. By the way, I am considering to split the lemma in two, if my expansion grows too much: Adam and Eve (Dürer engraving) and (... painting) respectively. MenkinAlRire 17:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
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Completed copy edits and pinged Gog a while ago. Hopefully he comes back to it. Paleface Jack ( talk) 19:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hello my friend. I have been sort of thinking about how to flesh out and snip away at that Troika article. One of my ideas to add to the production section, to make everything in the article click together, is to include a scholarly definition for art film and how the movement had gained popularity around that time. I read over the article on art films, and it adds a bit more logic to some of what Hobbs did for Troika in regards to narrative structure. Paleface Jack ( talk) 15:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
It would be nice to re-run that on the main page for TFA at some point, and the obvious date would be the 40th anniversary of release in 5 years time (if anyone remembers). The first time it was ran was 2011, so it's been quite some time. I'd recommend sending it to peer review and featured article review on top of the guild. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 14:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Nice to see my watchlist lit up this morning. I got more than a little sick of Hemingway (have a stack of books to re-read, but procrastinging ... ) so I picked around the edges of the Dry Tree a bit. Still interested in getting it FA ready - five year plans & all. P.s looking at the thread above I looked through Doolittle & didn't find any errors, but I'm not great at finding errors. Is it still at FAR? Hope all is well. Victoria ( tk) 15:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Today is "the day" for James Joyce - OTD! Thanks to you and all who helped to retain it as FA! Today is also the day for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (although the OTD people would tell you, no, it's 25 June). The most recent pics (click on "places") have a mammal I had to look up. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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I found a couple of images that could be used for the article in the development section. They depict Hobbs' Trojan Horse piece, One from a still of the film and another from a publication in the magazine Artforum. I was thinking of using both but one can also work too. The other I had is from the press book depicting Nate Thurmond in a crowd of worshipers, it seems much like Goya though i am not sure what specific piece. Paleface Jack ( talk) 02:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
She's on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
... and today's story begins with Psalm 124, paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) chorale settings in one cantata by Bach in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, haven't spoken in a while. You been keeping okay? You should known that a friend of mine visited Dublin in the spring and I convinced him to go see the Corleck Head and send a selfie back. I know of its existence, of course, solely due to your work on its article! Aza24 (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! How are you doing? I was very flattered by your reeling me in! I'm honestly not sure I can do it properly and write a nice review and everything like the Big Kids do ... is it a Royal Pain for you if I just do little tweaks, on the understanding that I won't mind if I am reverted? I might be slightly more productive looking at it that way, but I don't have to if you would dislike it. Please advise.
In other news, I did try raising the question of English dialects on its Talk page, but it seems to have gone nowhere. My concern was that for me, in BrE, "artifact" is wrong, but I saw some indications that if we are in Irish English then it might be correct. A colleague has changed them anyway though, so I should probably stfu! Cheers DBaK ( talk) 18:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hi, saw this and immediately thought of you and that tomb
Ϣere SpielChequers 08:21, 14 April 2023 (UTC)
This takes me back... I remember being terrified by the tomb of The Wolf of Badenoch when taken to Dunkeld Cathedral as a small child. Not because he was a scary person (he was) but because they turned him into stone along with his pet dog which they put by his feet. Catfish Jim and the soapdish 14:26, 15 April 2023 (UTC)
Excuse me for butting in, but there is certainly something that can be written here. I think a key piece of research here is a 1909 paper by Alfred Cooper Fryer in Archaeologia, on " Wooden Monumental Effigies in England and Wales". [4] And a revised version of that paper from 1924. More recently, there is a nice doctoral dissertation (Proefschrift) on "Early Secular Effigies in England" from the Thirteenth Century here: [5] That includes a list of 213 examples, with images, several of which are both early with either effigy or tomb/box or both in wood. We have images of most (see below), many look to be in surprisingly good condition given their age. Mostly lions at their feet, I think, not dogs. Only three have the original wooden box - Pitchford, Westminster, and Salisbury. I've not included Pitchford again below, and we don't seem to have images for two in St Mary's, Woodford, Northamptonshire. [6]
The tomb of William de Valence clearly shows the early use of blank arcades as decoration, that could be filled in by "weepers" in later examples. See the discussion on p.29. We don't have a good image of the extraordinary canopied tomb of Aymer de Valence at Westminster, which is said to be the earliest example of "weepers" in England. [7] Theramin ( talk) 00:15, 16 April 2023 (UTC)
Looking at the Wolf of Badenoch's "dog" it does appear to have a mane... Catfish Jim and the soapdish 09:54, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
You are welcome. Impressed with your find of the 1924 updated version of the Fryer article at archive.com. Happy editing. Theramin ( talk) 00:21, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
Er, something like Wooden tomb effigies in medieval England? Theramin ( talk) 00:58, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
Sorry, late coming back to this. (Apologies, too much other stuff going on: I hadn't expected to be worrying about parents quite so soon after the demands of children decreased, but this is life. My very strong recommendation is to settle as near to at least some family as you can bear. And so the muse has largely escaped me for some considerable time.)
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "early modern" (late medieval? early renaissance? eg Donatello? even into the 16th or 17th centuries?) and I am by no means an expert either, but if it is tomb effigies you are after, we have things like the Tomb of Antipope John XXIII and the Scaliger Tombs. How about the tomb of Henry VII and Elizabeth of York (right)? Theramin ( talk) 01:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
Thank you. I am currently working on it, but please come again in a few days and check my wordings, I am not always sure if it's ok since English is not my mother tongue. Would be much appreciated. By the way, I am considering to split the lemma in two, if my expansion grows too much: Adam and Eve (Dürer engraving) and (... painting) respectively. MenkinAlRire 17:55, 2 May 2024 (UTC)
Hello. Regarding your removal of table captions on Doolittle (album) here, just letting you know that they are required for all tables on Wikipedia per MOS:TABLECAPTION (part of WP:ACCESS), explained at MOS:DTT and decided upon by consensus at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Archive 15#RfC on table captions so they should not be removed. Ss 112 01:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
Completed copy edits and pinged Gog a while ago. Hopefully he comes back to it. Paleface Jack ( talk) 19:47, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Today's story mentions a concert I loved to hear (DYK) and a piece I loved to sing in choir, 150 years old (OTD). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:57, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about Samuel Kummer, one of five items on the Main page - more musing on my talk -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Hello my friend. I have been sort of thinking about how to flesh out and snip away at that Troika article. One of my ideas to add to the production section, to make everything in the article click together, is to include a scholarly definition for art film and how the movement had gained popularity around that time. I read over the article on art films, and it adds a bit more logic to some of what Hobbs did for Troika in regards to narrative structure. Paleface Jack ( talk) 15:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
It would be nice to re-run that on the main page for TFA at some point, and the obvious date would be the 40th anniversary of release in 5 years time (if anyone remembers). The first time it was ran was 2011, so it's been quite some time. I'd recommend sending it to peer review and featured article review on top of the guild. Harizotoh9 ( talk) 14:35, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Hi! Nice to see my watchlist lit up this morning. I got more than a little sick of Hemingway (have a stack of books to re-read, but procrastinging ... ) so I picked around the edges of the Dry Tree a bit. Still interested in getting it FA ready - five year plans & all. P.s looking at the thread above I looked through Doolittle & didn't find any errors, but I'm not great at finding errors. Is it still at FAR? Hope all is well. Victoria ( tk) 15:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
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Today is "the day" for James Joyce - OTD! Thanks to you and all who helped to retain it as FA! Today is also the day for Bach's fourth chorale cantata (although the OTD people would tell you, no, it's 25 June). The most recent pics (click on "places") have a mammal I had to look up. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 16:27, 16 June 2024 (UTC)
New pics of food and flowers come with the story of Noye's Fludde (premiered on 18 June), written by Brian Boulton. I nominated Éric Tappy because he died, and it needs support today! I nominated another women for GA in the Women in Green June run, - review welcome, and more noms planned. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 13:15, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
Today we have a centenarian story (documentation about it by Percy Adlon) and an article that had two sentences yesterday and was up for deletion, and needs a few more citations. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Today is a feast day for which Bach composed a chorale cantata in 1724 (and we had a DYK about it in 2012). Can't believe that Jodie Devos had to die, - don't miss her video from the Opéra-Comique at the end, - story to come. The weekend brought plenty of music sung and listened to, and some of it is reflected in the last two stories! + pics of good food with good company -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
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I found a couple of images that could be used for the article in the development section. They depict Hobbs' Trojan Horse piece, One from a still of the film and another from a publication in the magazine Artforum. I was thinking of using both but one can also work too. The other I had is from the press book depicting Nate Thurmond in a crowd of worshipers, it seems much like Goya though i am not sure what specific piece. Paleface Jack ( talk) 02:06, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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Pictured on the Main page: Brian's Mozart family grand tour, my story today, and Mozart related to all three items of music on my talk: our 2023 concert, an opera in a theatre where a Mozart premiere took place, and those remembered, Martti Wallén, a bass, and Liana Isakadze, a violinist from Georgia (whose article would be better with more details about her music-making). -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
I remember today Bach's 1724 cantata for this Sunday which is unusual in many respects. Another woman needs attention for RD, Marina Kondratyeva. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:24, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
She's on the Main page now. My story today is - because of the anniversary of the premiere OTD in 1782 - about Die Entführung aus dem Serail, opera by Mozart, while yesterday's was - because of the TFA - about Les contes d'Hoffmann, opera by Offenbach, - so 3 times Mozart again if you click on "music" ;) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Today's story is about a photographer who took iconic pictures, especially View from Williamsburg, Brooklyn, on Manhattan, 9/11, yesterday's was a great mezzo, and on Thursday we watched a sublime ballerina. If that's not enough my talk offers the chamber music from two amazing concerts. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 10:37, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
... and today's story begins with Psalm 124, paraphrased in 1524, and put to five (!) chorale settings in one cantata by Bach in 1724, for this Sunday. Nominated for GA. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Hey there, haven't spoken in a while. You been keeping okay? You should known that a friend of mine visited Dublin in the spring and I convinced him to go see the Corleck Head and send a selfie back. I know of its existence, of course, solely due to your work on its article! Aza24 (talk) 22:52, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
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Hello! How are you doing? I was very flattered by your reeling me in! I'm honestly not sure I can do it properly and write a nice review and everything like the Big Kids do ... is it a Royal Pain for you if I just do little tweaks, on the understanding that I won't mind if I am reverted? I might be slightly more productive looking at it that way, but I don't have to if you would dislike it. Please advise.
In other news, I did try raising the question of English dialects on its Talk page, but it seems to have gone nowhere. My concern was that for me, in BrE, "artifact" is wrong, but I saw some indications that if we are in Irish English then it might be correct. A colleague has changed them anyway though, so I should probably stfu! Cheers DBaK ( talk) 18:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)