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The article for this entity is currently at Brigham Young University Hawaii, without a hyphen or an en-dash between "University" and "Hawaii". For this reason, the name should be spelled like this on the article page and at Church Educational System as well. If that's incorrect, then efforts should be made to change the article name of Brigham Young University Hawaii before the change is made in the text of articles. One way or the other it should be consistent throughout articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Nice job on your ongoing correction of the ordination vs sustaining dates of the LDS Church apostles and other GAs. There's a lot of misunderstanding about the difference and the articles have not been good on establishing the different dates. When I originally added the template boxes I think I just used the dates that were stated in the articles, but they were almost always the same date (the sustaining date). Thanks for doing that work. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, As you are probably aware, Steven E. Snow has been released from the Presidency of the Seventy and will be appointed Church Historian and Recorder in October 2012. This means, I'm sure, that he has been relieved of his responsibilities as a member of the Church Board of Education. Since you seem to have inside information about the Board, I am wondering who has/will replace him on the Board. Please find out soon if you can, and post the changes on Church Educational System. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 06:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if you noticed, but on the talk page for the article List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I started a new topic discussing the Hartford Connecticut Temple. Someone had claimed that the earlier announcement date for that temple should be included on the template. It was my feeling that mentioning the earlier date in the article for that temple was sufficient, and that the earlier date was irrelevant as far as the template was concerned. I requested comment, but no one has answered that request, so I thought I'd ask you to comment on the issue. I look forward to your input. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for updating Elder Zivic's assignment. However, I looked on LDS.org and failed to find any mention there of his assignment. I see two other seventies (though I can't remember who) that are listed as Assistant Executive Directors of the Temple Department, but under Zivic's LDS.org biography, that assignment is not listed. Is it possible that this was a previous assignment that he has now been released from? As soon as LDS.org has an updated list of assignments, I guess we'll know for sure. Please respond on my talk page, as I don't habitually check other users' talk page for a response. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
What is your rationale for chainging the Central America Area Second Counselor from Robert C. Gay to Kevin R. Duncan? The latest official source (the August Ensign lists Gay as the Second Counselor. Again, the issue is verifiability. And your source remains uncited. Please respond on the talk page for List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I am posting this topic to invite you to comment on an issue I raised at Talk: List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about the Boise Idaho temple. I goofed, and no one has been kind enough to fix my mistake, and I don't know how to fix it myself. It's been posted for a while, but so far, I am the only one who seems to care about this problem getting resolved. Please help me if you can. Thanks. Post any comments you have on this issue on that page. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
In attempting to add the general authorities that received emeritus status to the emeritus section of the page, I goofed somewhere and got an error that I can't fix on my own. Would you take a look at it and help me fix it if possible? Post any reply to the appropriate talk page. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 21:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
First Robert C. Gay, now Henry J. Eyring. Best I can see, I appreciate your good work. No interest in "getting the red out" by setting up an (as simple or as elaborate as you wish) user page? Just click that ChristensenMJ and you're off, as I imagine you may know. Anyway, my pref. All best. Swliv ( talk) 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I hate to bother you, but do you have any references to prove this body is notable? This article has many serious issues, such as too many primary sources. When you took out the text and citations that I had added, you made the article much worse: it went back to lacking context, it was completely unreferenced, it had BLP issues, and the external links and single article reference were not inline. You see, without citations, there are many issues:
Please fix the issues tagged in the article, or please rebut my arguments with at least three of your own. If you need assistance, please contact me. Bearian ( talk) 21:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
According to Changes to South America South Area Presidency to come, this change is not effective until January 6, 2013. Also, it has not yet been announced who will replace González in the Presidency. Accordingly, I have reverted your changes to González's article and have readded him to the current Presidency of the Seventy template. I suspect you might know who will replace González already, as you always seem to have inside information about these kinds of changes. But unless and until the change is official, it shouldn't be made. Sorry. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I will rely upon you to make those other changes since I don't know what they would be. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
See here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I have requested help at Talk: List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please help me and leave a response on that page if you can help. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 08:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I am well aware of the MOS, but I don't think it's helpful to remove "president" from the Timeline articles, for the simple reason that many (most?) of the readers will not be LDS, and will not realise the significance of the person in question. In these terms there is a vast difference between someone who is an apostle or non-GA, and the president of the church to the organisation.-- MacRùsgail ( talk) 15:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
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You deleted my addition to the BYU Honor Code page. As the policy regarding facial hair in particular allows for exceptions this information needs to be included in the article. The University has laid out procedures students and faculty must adhere to in order to receive the proper exemption. By laying out these policies here students and interested observers are made familiar with the steps one needs to take in order to receive an exemption. It is not long enough to merit its own article. If you would prefer to move the new excerpt into the "Enforcement" section that is definitely open for discussion. Simply removing it, however, is an arbitrary and unwarranted decision on your part. Thank you. MacamemeandCheese ( talk) 21:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
After reviewing the edit again, I think you're right. It is too unwieldy for the honor code policy section, as it basically consists of a bullet-point list. Since the procedure for facial hair exemptions pertains more to Enforcement, and since the Enforcement section contains paragraphs rather than a bullet point list, this seems a much more appropriate location. I also trimmed the word count from 222 to about 130, making it smaller in context of the overall encyclopedia entry. In this way, the information about the exemption is still available, but not in a way that distracts from the overall content. I hope this is a sufficient compromise, and thank you for your attentive eye. MacamemeandCheese ( talk) 22:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I see you have stated that the church in 1838 was called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is historically inaccurate. The use of 'The' wasn't added by the Church in Utah until years later - same with 'Latter-day'. In 1838 the name of the church was Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which is why many of the smaller branches of the Latter Day Saint movement continued to use this form of the name without the hyphen. Of course the current edition of the LDS D&C has been edited to reflect the name as current spelled. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 00:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thankyou for your constructive helps on the editing of the article on Edward Dube. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Do you have any reputable sources beyond BYU's self-reported data? Self-reported data is not suitable for rankings. I know for a fact that AAMC doesn't publish a "top senders to medical schools" ranking anymore. I'm going to delete the part regarding medical schools as their ranking was removed in the 2010-2011 rankings. Jakebarrington ( talk) 18:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that this [1] Church News article just says he was a mission president, and this [2] listing of his call does not say where he is going. I have added the later, but we will need both references. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I got the note you left for me on the General Authorities talk page. My thanks for your thanks. I was wondering if you could help me with something. Shortly after merging the subpage with the GA page, I got a note on my talk page from a bot citing supposed errors with my edit. But I could not make sense of what the message was talking about. If you could check it out on my talk page and help me resolve the issues mentioned, I'd appreciate it. Once you have done so, please leave me a message either on the GA talk page or on my talk page as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me. –– Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 06:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to drop a line and thank you for noticing I failed to update the date on the Area Seventies page even though I had updated the information. Not sure how I missed that, but grateful you caught it. Thanks for all your great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
FYI: [4]. I've pointed him to the talk page, where I see you've started a discussion. If he continues to make the edits without attempting to discuss or justify his edits, it will become obvious that he's just trolling. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Re: The BYU Honor Code page... The standards section presents value based POVs. For example, words that describe certain lifestyles and behaviors as "appropriate", "indecent", "inappropriate", and "clean" are absolutely opinions and personal values that are not shared by everyone. This section would be fine if it were quoted verbatim from the honor code. However, it's not. The language could be made more neutral by saying "Living what the LDS church considers to be a chaste and virtuous life" for example. Now, the Conflict with Official Doctrine section... There are no opinions there. There is only the fact (from the honor code) that former LDS students cannot practice their new religion and still receive an endorsement, and only the fact (from official LDS scripture) that the LDS church claims the privilege of allowing everyone to worship however they may. There are no opinions there. You are free to continue reverting edits that aim to make the language more neutral and that aim to present controversial facts (but still facts) that are of important note, but I will continue to revert you and I will report you. Fix and improve the article if you don't like it. Don't just revert back to how you want it to be. It's not yours. It's not the LDS church's. It's everyone's and it needs to be neutral and present all sides. -PonderosaPineapple
Seems like you have very large grounds to keep indeed. I'm in this for the long haul. Revert how you will, but I will continue to make sure the hypocritical, LDS-sourced facts get out there occasionally. Your friend, -PonderosaPineapple
P.S. Doesn't it concern you that the LDS church violates its own beliefs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.59.208 ( talk) 17:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
You surely know more than I do of LDS, so I bow to your revert comment that "most positions shown not directly related to temple" wrt Douglas J. Martin. However some positions Martin held were in that temple & it seems to me that part can be retained as Martin seems to have been a pioneer in the NZ LDS church & certainly of the Hamilton New Zealand Temple. What do you think? -- DadaNeem ( talk) 05:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi ChristensenMJ. You're indeed more qualified than I thought to write on Douglas J. Martin!! My intent when writing of his relation to the Hamilton Temple was to make the articles mutually informative. Martin seems to have been a notable in the non-US LDS world so his relation to the Hamilton Temple, even tho humbler than his roles in the outside LDS world, even briefly alluded to, could inform a casual reader. A possible means: == Notables (or Associates) of the Temple == *[[Douglas J. Martin]], the first New Zealand resident to become a general authority of the LDS Church, was a stalwart of the Hamilton Temple from its opening in 1958.
Those interested in learning more could see then see details in Douglas J. Martin.-- DadaNeem ( talk) 06:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I applaud your efforts to amicably explain to Michael Reed the reasons behind the objections that are being made. It seems that, short of providing their own defense of his edits, some users have instead chosen to nitpick about the way I phrase my objections. I hope you understand where I am coming from on this issue. I have asked Reed at least twice to provide one source, just one, that would bear out the claims of his book. So far, he has not chosen to do so. That is why my objections remain. I felt perhaps that you might be able to tell me if I am being unreasonable in my requests for an independent source that bears out what his book claims. I trust your judgment. If you could respond either on my talk page or on the article talk page itself, that would be much appreciated. Thanks for helping me in this matter. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for your defense of me. While our viewpoints may differ on the Michael Reed edits, I greatly appreciate you sticking up for me. I stepped away from the conversation for a few days because I had other things to do than argue with Michael Reed. My latest stated opinion on the matter has been overlooked: that is, if the consensus (through straw poll) votes to include the material, I will stand by that consensus. I was shocked at Reed's request that I be blocked and was gratified that you put your two cents in for me. Thanks again, good friend. Now it seems that the material has been included in the article (after a fashion) and I have no objection to the way it currently appears. But I will not mention that on that particular talk page. Reed would only misconstrue and twist my words and request again that I be blocked. If you could reemphasis my latest stance on the issue, I'd appreciate it. Reed will likely take it better from you than he would from me. Thanks again! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I am once again in need of your advice. In regards to the Thomas S. Monson lawsuit, the user that is pushing for the lawsuit to be mentioned in this article is disregarding cited sources and stooping to personal attacks. I thought of writing a reply to him but decided against it. It would only serve to rile him further. Since I am the one under attack here, I would ask for your help with this matter. I think if another user could substantiate my arguments while defending me, it might take the wind out of this user's sails. As it its, I feel all I can do for the moment is to step away from the subject for a time. I have put in my two cents. Now I need to leave it up to other editors to defend me and agree with me. I will still keep an eye on the discussion, but I feel that anything else I say would serve to inflame this user, and that's the last thing I want. Your help is greatly appreciated. If you could respond to this on my user talk page or the talk page for the Monson article, as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I hope things are going well for you. I have taken the liberty of creating a subpage for changes that will be effective in August 2014. It is located here. So I was looking through the list after making all the announced changes and seeing if I could find assignments for the "unassigned" brethren. So I looked at their bios on LDS.org. And it would appear that the Assistant Executive Directors of the Temple Department have changed, based on information available in the bios. I was wondering if you could confirm this information based on your access to the CDOL. Plus, if there are any assignments listed there that we don't have on the subpage, we can input them there as well. Any information you can provide would be helpful. Thanks for your cooperation and assistance. Best wishes! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 20:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to drop a line and thank you for your quick work in getting W. Craig Zwick's new assignment up on the List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. I came onto Wikipedia to double check something based on other information I found in the Church News and stumbled across your edit. Sounds like he'll be busy for the next three years with that assignment. Also, I don't know if you got my last message, but I wondered if you could look that over and reply ASAP as I have been looking forward to your feedback. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:43, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I am posting here to ask for your assistance with something. I have been working with Charles Edwin Shipp to try to substantiate the sentence he input from an introduction made at a recent CES fireside at which Elder Ballard spoke. It was said of him that much of his ministry has been focused on missionary work. I have been working with Charles to get him to substantiate this claim by citing some of Ballard's relevant General Conference addresses on the subject. He has done so, but I haven't had a chance to look them over or reply yet. I was wondering if you would be able and willing to work with us to get the content Charles desires into the Ballard article in a way that would not be a violation of Wikipedia policy. I hope you can help us. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 23:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it interesting how Destiny directions can start and evolve! I saw that there was no TALK page for Elder Ballard's WP page/article and so started one with this idea. My thought then was that (1) the page was somewhat in need of improvement; (2) his emphasis is reaching out with modern tech/media (including youth taking a lead in social media) and what better media than Wikipedia? (3) Other thought, such as his leadership (under several prophets/presidents) in missionary work, first with young elders, then young sisters and seniors, and now member missionary work including his conf.talks. Further, I consider the TALK pages as an extension to the Article/pages, and a very interested WP reader will know to go there for further insights. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 13:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I am posting here to inform you, if you don't already know, that the article I started on Kevin S. Hamilton has been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping the article on the relevant page, but was criticized for my comments. So while I will keep an eye on the way this develops, I don't intend to say more than I've already said. I wondered if you might be able to look over that AfD discussion and add your thoughts. If this page is deleted, I will have to question the notability of other articles written about current or former members of the Second Quorum of the Seventy. Anyways, just wanted to alert you to what was going on with that so you could comment if you choose. Perhaps you see this situation differently from me and have a better understanding of the policies and procedures involved. If you have any feedback on this comment, please leave it on my talk page, as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages for replies. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 01:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I thought you'd like to know that the articles about Terence M. Vinson and Gregory A. Schwitzer have been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping them and will leave it to the consensus to decide. If you'd care to comment, I'm sure your perspective, whatever it might be, would be welcome. Thanks for all your great work on Wikipedia! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello; because you commented in this discussion, I thought you might be interested in participating in this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to drop a note and ask if you knew whether or not the CDOL is back up and running? If so, does it list the executive directors and assistant executive directors of the various Church departments? If it does, that information could be included in the now up-to-date List of general authorities page. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer about this. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
So the answers to my other questions are....? I asked, "Does [the CDOL] list the executive directors and assistant executive directors of the various Church departments? If it does, that information could be included in the now up-to-date List of general authorities page. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer about this." Thanks again for any feedback you are able/willing to provide. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:37, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Official_Auxiliary_Titles involving Auxiliary Titles.--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 17:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello. You may have noticed that I have not been active on Wikipedia for about a month. Long story short, I got a job. I still intend to edit Wikipedia regularly, but getting into the groove of the job has left me unable to edit during the last month. So I wanted to drop a line and ask if there were any major changes on Wikipedia pages of interest that I needed to be aware of. You know my interests well enough by now to know what I mean by that. So if you could bring me up to speed, that would be great! Please leave any reply on my talk page as per my usual request. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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Accept reason: I've unblocked as you're a long term good faith editor caught in a block intended for someone else. PhilKnight ( talk) 23:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
When you are asked to provide a better source you have three options: provide one,disengage, or take it to the talk page. Please note reverting is not one of the options. Thanks John from Idegon ( talk) 00:22, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
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You are being report for edit waring. Mormography ( talk) 01:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for the message, but you are quite incorrect. You are not neutral on these issues and you have consistently ignored what has been noted and requested, which is to take things to the talk page. This is easily proven. Having the time to make edits, but not discuss is a lack of discussion. There can't just be demands or insistence that things are done against a single user editing in good faith when a cabal votes against them with out discussion or consensus. Mormography ( talk) 02:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
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I undid your reversion because who owns the competing paper, especially considering the history of the Salt Lake Tribune vis a vi the LDS Church, is relevant to the article. I did fix the wording however to say that they own it, not produce it. Cat-five t c ---- 19:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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I accidentally saved before I completed my sentence. I understand your reasoning, but the "s" is needed for all the templates used on List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to work. Without it the temple is listed as "OPEN".--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 18:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The link links to a plastic surgeon's website. Please look at links before you reinstate them. It has nothing to do with the article or Cultural Mormonism. Royal Mate1 19:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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I redid the edits to the Joseph Smith page. The previous reference of Bushman p69-70 is incorrect and does not talk about the death of his son. I corrected not only the information that it was a live birth, as supported by the source, but also corrected the page number. If there is another reference that mentions a still birth then please correctly reference that material. Here is a link to the correct page in the reference material. https://encrypted.google.com/books?id=Mz3tpz4eRBQC&q=named+Alvin+after+Joseph%E2%80%99s+older+brother#v=onepage&q=named%20Alvin%20after%20Joseph%E2%80%99s%20older%20brother&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownmattc ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello ChristensenMJ. I spent a good deal of time looking at the Kimball biography, Quinn, and McKay biography sources that were there. I included those in the latest version--none of the sources are missing and you did not restore any new ones. Also, there were errors in the previous version. Also, the text claimed things that the sources did not support. There was no indicating in the sources of a unanimous vote in 1969, particularly since all three sources say that McKay and Smith were entirely against until a revelation came, and so were numerous apostles at the time. The sources also do not support the claim that Lee "blocked" the LDS Church. He couldn't "block" the LDS Church. He, Dyer, Petersen and others played a prominent role in suggesting a revelation versus mere administrative change which, according to the sources, was only really propounded by Brown. Check the sources yourself. Don't revert because it 'read well before'; it was inaccurate, and read poorly. Most important the sources did not support the claims. Vermilioncliffs ( talk) 16:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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u know that I did not add or remove any links to that article don't u? 118.93.85.100 ( talk) 03:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I misunderstood, the young missionary the Wilders visited at the Copenhagen Temple, Matt was Wilder's son. Of course Wilder doesn't make this temple notable. But it is routine to add a descriptions of a building, institution, place taken from a memoir to a WP page. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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I guess i'm confused - how could Nelson now be "the most senior member of the Quorum of the Twelve" and at the same time "second most senior apostle among the ranks of the church." What is the difference? Blainster ( talk) 03:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I requested that they put the Semi-protecion back on Thomas S. Monson at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Thomas_S._Monson. Hopefully they will. You might want to chime in also, but it's up to you.--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk)
It appears that ChristensenMJ is blatently trying to whitewash facts surrounding Thomas S. Monson. Any legal issues a public figure is in involved in should be included in a wiki profile. There is no hearsay with my edits but rather direct references to legitimate legal actions. See /info/en/?search=Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump as precedent. Monomoinut ( talk) 16:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I will redact the Tom Phillips part despite disagreeing with the consensus. The portion I originally included about the LDS Church sex scandal lawsuit that he has been subpoenaed to is highly relevant and cannot in any way be seen as "frivolous" as the Tom Phillips one may be seen in that light, particularly because a judge has ruled that the subpoena be reinstated. Monomoinut ( talk) 20:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I will leave it be for now, but it really is Wikipedia:Citation overkill. You don't have to cite everything, only challenged or Likely to be challenged--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 19:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Just saw your reversion of my edit, and your comment. I was thinking my edit could instead go in "Background", or in the second paragraph of "Events leading up to the revelation". I think it's a relevant addition; many fellow LDS I've spoken with note that the revelation had just as much impact on black women as it did on black men, since all black members were excluded from temple ordinances (other than baptism for the dead). Your thoughts?
Robnorth ( talk) 17:21, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to use this one message to thank you for a bundle of edits you did recently. First, my thanks for the clarification and clarity you added to my references on the pages of each currently serving apostle. Your changes made my edit, which I felt was good, great. User: Trodel has made some suggestions about making these notes sourced and referenced. If you have anything to add, I would invite you to comment on the Latter Day Saint Wikiproject talk page. The other edits I wanted to thank you for were made to the Sunday School article and really helped address the question I had as far as making a clear distinction between those who served as members of the Sunday School General Presidency while they were General Authorities verses those who subsequently served as General Authorities after or before their Sunday School service. I really appreciate your good work and attention to detail. I also wanted to ask if you knew whether or not there has been any word about who the new Commissioner of Church Education might be in light of Paul V. Johnson's call to serve in an Area Presidency. Any information you have on that would be appreciated. Btw, there is no need for you to make the effort to reply on my talk page anymore. I hope it's all right, but I added your talk page to my watch list, so I will always know when you have replied here to a question or comment I have made. Thanks for all your efforts! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Just stumbled upon a source, dated May 1, 2015, that announces the change in Commissioner of Church Education. I can't believe I didn't think of it before, but the announcement was there, large as life, in the seminary and institutes of religion section of lds.org. You will find the source in question here. Accordingly, I will be adding this source to all the relevant places. Hope this news pleases you. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
My understanding is that anyone--church member or not--can request an LDS account. For those that are not members of the Church, the enrollment process is a little different. But it is possible, as far as I know. Since the news item in question could thus be considered as being in the public domain, and since it is the only one available, I feel it's worth adding to all the relevant articles. You are, as always, welcome to disagree with me. But I have a feeling that once the Seminary and Institute broadcast is in the public domain, we will have another source that can be used to verify this information. In the meantime, a password-protected source is, in my mind, better than none at all, so I might go ahead and revert the Johnson edit. Let me know if you disagree. The last thing I want to do is get in an edit war with you. Just let me know. I'll be keeping an eye out for a response. Btw, they changed the policy at work so I can't check Wikipedia while on the job anymore. So my Wikipedia involvement will likely be limited during the week to what I can do outside of work. But whenever you leave a reply, I will at very least learn about it that day after work. Thanks, as always, for seeking my opinion before undoing my edits. I greatly appreciate your courtesy. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Since Rjensen reverted both your and my reverts on the Brigham Young article that objected to his changing the page without first establishing a consensus for the material he wanted to add, I left a message on his talk page, which he promptly deleted. I'm not sure what to do about those edits as a result of that. It appears that he has very little respect for the principle of consensus and is determined to push his edits that violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policies. Thankfully, he seems to have gotten the message with this last revert of what he was trying to add. What more can/should be done in regards to this situation? I only ask because I'm very concerned about it, and I would like to see it resolved ASAP, as amicably as possible. Another matter I wanted your feedback on is an edit I recently made to the template in the article about Boyd K. Packer. My reasons for this edit are as follows: I don't think it's sufficient or correct to say that the reason President Packer's tenure as Acting President ended was because he became Quorum President. The real reason his tenure ended was because Thomas S. Monson, who simultaneously served as First Counselor and Quorum President, returned to the Quorum when the First Presidency was dissolved as a result of President Gordon B. Hinckley's death. He was only set apart as Quorum President a week later, after he was voice in setting apart President Monson as Church President. Is there a better way to explain that than the reference I added? I would welcome any suggestions/corrections you feel would be helpful or appropriate to make. Thanks for all your hard work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:52, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
On Brigham Yong's article, I noticed that a block was placed on the user who was causing so much trouble. Let's hope that leads him/her to reconsider their disruptive edits. I greatly appreciated your feedback on the note I left on Boyd K. Packer's template. I agree on what you said about his tenure as Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles being seen in both an obvious and a practical way. Good insight on his death and Nelson's automatic ascension to that position. However, I feel that it's important in Packer's case to note that Monson was still the President of the Quorum of the Twelve until he was set apart as Church President. Only then did Packer's tenure as Quorum President become an automatic thing. I guess it comes down to the difference between what happens at the death of a Church President vs. what happens at the death of a Quorum President. The former is seen as automatic but in one case really isn't (as the most senior apostle could, if he felt so inspired, name someone else to succeed the Church president), whereas Quorum Presidency is more of an automatic thing, passing from one person to the next at the death of the first individual. Hope that makes sense. Anyways, just wanted to thank you again for your insight into these matters. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
The editing that Smith's mental and emotional illness doesn't appear in his teaching manual is not an observation. It's a flat fact. Go ahead and do a word search of the .pdf manual. Stating that "the sun appears yellow to the naked eye" also doesn't run afoul of wp:or. While technically an observation (on some level), it's also an undeniable fact, which doesn't require an academic article to cite to. Otherwise, we'd have to cite to articles like, "Was George Albert Smith Male?: a study of his apparent gender," in order to use the pronoun "he." I get it if you're a Mormon apologist, but to anyone without a religious agenda, this section is simply a fact, personally verifiable by anyone by clicking on the link, and therefore not worthy of academic study, and shouldn't be objectionable or a violation of wp:or.
If you want to find a way to work together so that it falls within the guidelines (it does already, but I'm willing to discuss other options in a spirit of collaboration), that's fine. I'm also happy to request a WP:Third opinion review. But you don't own these pages, nor the truth.
Delete it again, and I'll report you for edit warring.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.200.180 ( talk) 17:33, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I'm happy to be toned down once my purpose on these pages and ground rules are established. Pages on Mormon history or rife with vandalism, and/or apologetics. In a time when the LDS Church and its history/doctrines are under heavy attack, the truth is the only thing that will save it--and Wikipedia is the first place people go to find it. Full disclosure on me: I'm an active Mormon. I have three (3) apostles and six (6) seventies in my home ward, and I speak with them often. I'm also an attorney. And like the First Presidency and brethren who are constantly striving for greater transparency in the church, I have no tolerance for whitewashing Mormon history. My devotion and purpose on these pages lies in only one place--the truth. If it's supported by the facts and its relevant to to page, pro-church or bad (or in ANY article on ANY page), it belongs. If not, it doesn't. WP articles shall always be neutral--above all--but neutrality is not defined by lack of positive or negative information, only a lack of intellectual honesty and/or honest intent. If information is historically or conceptually relevant, and is supported by the facts, it belongs. If not, it goes. These pages have a long way to go before they're complete.
It's my pleasure-thank you. And thank you for yours. To co-operate with you and your concerns about implying any kind of conclusion, I've edited the language to remove the word "paradoxically" to further distance it from such concepts. Now it should simply read as a statement of fact. In regards to your approach on how to deal with things--I prefer to take action first, and let people react and show themselves. It's generally a more genuine response.
Take care. 65.130.200.180 ( talk) 19:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to write and thank you so much for your edit on the LDS temple status template page. I had been hoping to have time to update that on Wikipedia last weekend, but other things got in the way and I wasn't able to do so. So my thanks for that edit. I also wanted to post and explain my edit on the CES page. As I said in the edit summary, I am a grammar Nazi. I have taken 3 Honors English classes in High School and spent my junior and senior years in High School on the staff of the school newspaper. Plus, my mom does freelance proofreading for Deseret Book. I am listing these credentials so that you understand that I didn't pull my edit out of a hat or revert your change out of any bad feelings for you. One of the things that was stressed in all my classes was the overuse or misuse of punctuation marks. One thing I noticed in most of the articles or papers I proofread in those classes was that there is a misunderstanding, misuse, and overuse of the comma. As I stated in undoing your edit, it makes more sense grammatically and in form to eliminate the commas. Are they okay to use in this case? Probably. But if we want the best Wikipedia we can possibly have, then articles must be attentive to the proper use of punctuation. In my mind, it makes more grammatical sense to have "Kim B. Clark of the First Quorum of the Seventy" than "Kim B. Clark, of the First Quorum of the Seventy." If you were to say something like "Kim B. Clark, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy", then the two commas would clarify the meaning. But there shouldn't be a comma prior to or following a preposition. That's a commonly understood grammatically rule, at least to all who are grammar Nazis like myself. I can't provide chapter and verse for you on this. I can only assure you that I am a grammar Nazi and do know what I'm talking about in this matter, much as all I can do is trust you in some things we've discussed over time. I have no motivation to lie to you. I hope you will determine that I can be trusted as one "in the know" on this matter. I don't want to edit war with you. If you do require a source, though, I can get you one from my mom's Chicago Manual of Style. With that said, I do hope you will take my word for it and not wage an edit war about this. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 09:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
You may have noticed that I sent a lot of thanks your way for all the changes you have made, specifically ones that enhanced changes made by me. Hope I didn't go overboard in those expressions. In regards specifically to James J. Hamula, I understand where you're coming from but might suggest that similar wording as what I had be employed to explain Hamula's current service. It's not as if my wording was inaccurate. His assignment is currently unspecified. Anyways, I just wanted to see what could be done about that. Thanks again for your efforts. P. S. I wanted to also specifically solicit your feedback on my two proposals to rename or move the location of two Church-related articles. To me, it makes more sense to have the general authorities and general officers of the Church on one page rather than two separate articles, especially as the Church now puts them on the same chart in the Ensign. As for the other proposal, the marquee of the weekly choir program does use "&" rather than "and", so I feel it's worth proposing a renaming of that article. Thoughts? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 09:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello again, my friend. I wanted to apologize to you personally if I offended you by asking you to summarize your argument against this page merge. I felt you could do it better than I could, especially since I might be tempted to deliberately misrepresent your views to ensure that this change would go through. I want you to know that I don't take offense at your opposition to this change. I respect you too much as a Wikipedia editor and as a person to do so. I hope you don't take offense at and know that I mean well in continuing to voice my support for this change. You're awesome! Have a wonderful day! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:29, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey, concerning your second revert, I assumed you initially reverted it because my citation had a syntax error in the citation. But, aware now that you did see it and your concerns are more than just an 'appropriate ref' (which made me think you hadn't seen my initial ref) but about WP:RS instead. I was unaware initially of the nature of the 100HB and assumed it to be a more or less direct source, but that said, what would you considered a reliable source on the subject? Would this, an archived page coming from (what I assume to be) Dr. Susan Rugh at BYU's History department, be more along the RS lines for you?: http://web.archive.org/web/20040816082839/http://fhss.byu.edu/history/faculty/rugh/sflc/campusgroup/socialclubs.html If not, I'd appreciate some help locating a more solid source, as this certainly a subject that, at least concerning collegiate life in North America, is a significant component that isn't mentioned in the article. Green Runner 0 19:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Instead of spending so much effort erasing other's "good faith efforts" why don't you just fix them? Asking for a friend. Thmazing ( talk) 20:40, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
FYI - also created a template for Renlund. Granted, it's incomplete, but at least it's a start. Atohanie ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2015 (UTC)Atohanie
I tried adding Jeffrey R. Holland's daughter. But you removed my minor edit because you felt she was not as notable as her brothers. I believe the page is about Jeffrey R. Holland specifically. And specifically there is a section about his immediate family. Somehow you've found his wife to be notable enough, but not his daughter. May I ask why you're opposed to listing her name? Curtisnoble ( talk) 06:19, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I apologize if I misunderstood the notability requirements. I had reviewed them and felt that WP notability applied only to whether or not a topic or person deserved its own article. That's why I didn't create an individual article. Specifically the requirements state that "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article." So naturally I felt okay including it. And as I go back and look deeper into the topic I believe that the notability guidelines for lists certainly apply. The family section provides a list (of sorts) including his immediate family. It mentions he has three children, but only names two of them. And of this, WP says: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable." Granted this is for stand-alone lists, but I think the general rule applies here. If you mention he has children, you should include all of them regardless of notability because the group is notable. Again, I'm not trying to add an article about Mary H. McCann. I'm simply trying to improve the factual content in this article. And according to WP, notability guidelines don't pertain to article content. Do you disagree still? Curtisnoble ( talk) 16:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In an edit summary at Ryan T. Murphy I asked you the curious question of if, since you are a Christensen like me--Mike--(and I will continue to write even with another IP address if/when it changes on me), your M from "MJ" also stands for "Mike"/"Michael" like mine does. So... just for you to be friendly with me and fill in my curiosity (and since your user name is much of your real name anyway, I suspect), does it stand for that? But if not, then what?
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It seems you are expecting for official communication by the church of jesuschrist of latter day saints to be issued, while many will find it important to know prior to that that a date has been issued. Would you need a letter to convince yourself that such communication exists? Andrewpcx 21:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewpcx ( talk • contribs)
ChristensenMJ, thanks for your continued great work here on Wikipedia. Work and some personal crises have kept me from regularly contributing to Wikipedia lately, but I have done what I could. I am writing to discuss our difference of opinion regarding the directorship of the Temple Department. I respect you as an editor, and your efforts to ensure accurate information on LDS related pages has been inspirational to me. However, here's the situation as I see it. We have the reference from the Church stating that Wilson is the new Temple Department Executive Director. Then we have your claim that the Church article is in error. On what grounds is that claim being made? Do you have a counter-source that disproves this information? I realize that in some areas relating to the Church, you have more inside information than I do. But I see also that you initially discounted the news of the Kinshasa and Barranquilla temple groundbreakings because "the Church hasn't officially announced them." and then later changed your tune when the Church announced it. Odds are, the original news came from ldschurchtemples.com, which, though not officially endorsed by or supported by the Church is nonetheless kept up to date by information which the Church supplies to the webmaster, Rick Satterfield. I have always been of the opinion that one source trumps no source. And especially in this instance, where there has been no official retraction, correction, or clarification from the Church, the source we have is officially from the Church. Until we have a counter source, it is my opinion that we should go with what we know. I could see not trusting the information if it came from ldschurchtemples.com, but where it came from the Church's official Newsroom, I feel we must use that as our yardstick against which the veracity of any other claim can be measured. Unless you can cite a countersource or otherwise disprove this source, my edits, backed up by the official Newsrooom release, should stand. At least, that's the way I see it. You probably see it differently. If you have any additional light to shed on this matter, you can post it here, on my wall, or on the relevant Wikipages. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
This was deft. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ. I am stopping by to once again thank you for all your wonderful work on Wikipedia. Thanks especially for fixing and clarifying good faith edits I have made. The Young Men General Presidency count is tricky. I can see merits to either course of action. That's why I'm leaving it for the consensus to decide. I don't care which way it goes, as long as we can come to some agreement. Also, I wanted to let you know why I have made changes to the current status of LDS temples. I feel that noting temples under renovation or with a groundbreaking, dedication or renovation scheduled are just as important to note as the normal categories of operating, under construction, and announced. I would have no objection to you or anyone else editing for clarification or brevity, which is not my strong suit. I hope we can settle on a wording that is satisfactory to all concerned. Thanks for all your great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for reordering the temples to reflect the order in which they were announced. As I mentioned on the talk page, I am having trouble getting the Lima Peru Second Temple to show up on the list. Any help you can give me with this would be appreciated. Also, did you see my note on the list of general authorities WP article? It appears the Church no longer differentiates between those of the First and Second Quorums of the Seventy, and, instead sustained those called yesterday as merely "General Authority Seventies." Any help you could give me with these items would be appreciated. THanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 19:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for your edits. I personally felt the sections better organized the information in the article and made it easier to read, but your comments on it being too short for sections have been noted. For clarity and for me to make sense of changes that at times seem arbitrary, can you point me to a specific guideline here? I am a relatively new user so that would be helpful. Also, I did some research regarding your remarks on the 25th of November - remarks concerning the previous nomination of an article on this individual for speedy deletion. I wasn't aware of the article that had been deleted, but I was able to locate and archived version of it online. After reviewing, I understand why it was removed (poor citations, close connection with the subject, etc). However, the current article, from what I can tell, follows Wikipedia's guidelines and does not appear to be substantially similar to the one you were referring to. Hopefully I'm correct in saying this. Thank you very much for your help! Jeremyb949 ( talk) 18:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
You carelessly undid all my accurate good faith updates with one click, to the page about the "what of the mormons" book and you clearly did not review ANY of the changes and only returned the page to the status quo which included a state where no references were in the reference section (a problem I had fixed). PROTECTING PAGES for personal reasons is a violation! People established on wikipedia, such as yourself, who camp and routinely block good faith changes on wikipedia, display disgusting behavior. Wikipedia is NOT about protecting the status quo and protecting pages from updates that might show uncomfortable things about your church. Since you are not interested in accuracy on pages, only maintaining the status quo on mormon related pages, your privileges should be suspended.
All of the changes I made to that page were ACCURATE and in very telling fashion, you did not even challenge ANY of the changes specifically, you merely summarily undid everything I had added in good faith. You returned the page to a state of blatant inaccuracy regarding that book, and a state lacking a reference in the reference section that I had added. You should have your ability to alter pages suspended because you clearly do not seek to contribute to wikipedia, only maintain the status quo on pages that pertain to mormonism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.56.195 ( talk) 02:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hey. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the reasons for reverting my edit on this article, but I disagree with your reasons for so reverting. Why is it inaccurate and/or inappropriate to say this was a practice and policy change? Changes such as this are almost always a matter of both rather than one or the other. I went ahead and reinstated my wording, but wanted you to know so as to avoid a potential edit war or the possibility of unintentionally offending you. Thanks for your attention to this detail, but I really feel both words are needed in this case. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I understand now that my revert of your was disingenuous at best, and totally uncalled for at worst. Sorry about that. Thanks for your kindness. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop a line and thank you for your defense of me on the article about the Book of Abraham. It appears the user of whom I was trying to request that proper procedure be followed has elected to unleash his ire on me. It was only you that recognized my good intentions. I appreciate your defense of me, and I'm sorry if I offended this user. My good intentions seem to have been called into question more and more recently, and I appreciate your willingness to recognize my good intentions, however misguided they may have been in this case. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 01:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm just wondering whether you plan on taking part in the discussions that Ministre d'État and I opened at Ezra Taft Benson and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints respectively. Cheers, Graham ( talk) 22:47, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, in regards to your recent reverts on Stephen L Richards and Mervyn B. Arnold, my edits were intended to remove the duplicate "the", e.g. "the The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints". If your issue is with the capitalization of "the" in "The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints", then you can adjust it accordingly, but remember to avoid the duplicate "the". — 0xF8E8 ( talk) 16:14, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Does not exist, please understand that having a title like that is nonsensical - there is more than one Perth. You should have understood that a redirect is far more sensible than re-storing the meaningless title of the name JarrahTree 23:19, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for your ongoing good faith efforts in regards to the recent death of Bruce D. Porter. As I have been absent from regular Wikipedia editing until this week when I started a new job, I was operating on what I read in the Deseret News article about Elder Porter's death. Here's the relevant paragraphs from the article, which is the statement made by a Church spokesman in announcing Elder Porter's death: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Elder Bruce D. Porter of the Seventy died at his home last evening, surrounded by his family. Elder Porter, age 64, succumbed to a pulmonary infection that developed in recent weeks. Until earlier this month he served as the President of the Europe East Area.
"In early December he was released from that position and assigned to serve at Church headquarters. Our gratitude, thoughts and prayers are with his wife, Susan, and their family. We are profoundly grateful for the valiant service he offered to the very end of his life. He will be greatly missed."
If the pulmonary infection developed in recent weeks, it was the reason for the end of his area presidency assignment, and the reassignment to Church headquarters, whether it was "real" or not, was nonetheless a fact. And if the cited sources verify it, it should be included.
However, since I always find it safer to assume good faith, so I will fight the many logical reasons I have to revert your revert of my edit. But I am approaching you about this privately to let you know that I couldn't disagree more with your most recent edit. I have every respect for you as an editor, but I strongly object to your apparent open disregard for what the verifiable sources say. Wikipedia has very little to do with "reality" and almost everything to do with "verifiability." That reason alone is strong enough grounds to warrant a revert of your edit.
But out of respect for you and the work and thought you put into just about everything you have always done as a Wikipedian, I will forebear from waging an edit war just to prove this point.
Now that I've made my objections to your revert clear to you, I did want to ask: since you seem to have an inside track on what changes are happening at Church headquarters, do you know what has been done in terms of reorganizing the Europe Area Presidency? Obviously Elder Porter's reassignment and subsequent death, such as it was, means that such a change has already happened. I have looked seemingly in vain for information on that point, and have come up empty. As far as I know, the Europe East Area is one of few in the world that doesn't have its own website on lds.org.
My only hope is that, now that the Deseret News has relayed news of Elder Porter's death, the news of those changes will shortly follow. Thanks, as always, for your great work. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:19, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing your reasoning. I will admit that at least I can see your point, such as it is, even if I do not agree with it. Maybe I am inferring things not explicitly said. When in disagreement with anyone, I am always more inclined to believe that any misunderstanding of their viewpoint is my fault and not because they have not clearly explained things to my satisfaction. For as long as we have worked together here on Wikipedia, I have, without exception, found you to be very cognizant of and respectful towards my thoughts and views, and I do appreciate that very much. I have never had reason to doubt that you have ever in any way not acted in good faith, and that is something I cannot say of many of our fellow Wikipedians with whom we have interacted in the past, especially those who have surfaced recently. When I posted the above message, I paused for a moment to look over the voluminous nature of some of the comments critical of you and your work on this page. Those who have said such things about you have not acted in good faith at all. You always have. I want you to know I appreciate that about you.
And I will be the first to admit that I am often too quick to read between the lines and infer things that may not be the case. You make a valid point about the failing health and the "real assignment". However, even if the nature of the "reassignment" was only to allow him the ability to die in the peace and comfort of his own home, in the company of his loving family, the fact remains that the article did mention explicitly that he had been reassigned to Church headquarters. Inference or not, that is the cold, hard fact, and that should be mentioned. I would be more than all right with the idea of leaving my inferences out of the picture.
That being said, I am not as interested in how "real" the assignment was. The verifiable source states that he was reassigned to Church headquarters, whether or not it was merely a token gesture to allow him to pass away at home. That's all I was trying to say. I do apologize if it came out wrong or if I came across as trying to pass my inferences off as actual fact. That was never my intent.
It is amazing to me how the leading brethren of the Church always care so much about what the overseas brethren are experiencing, and that they can anticipate and make allowances for such circumstances as this. I admire that willingness on their part to reorganize that area presidency in more than enough time to allow Elder Porter to come home and spend his final days surrounded by family.
It's sad to realize that, just this year alone, the Church has lost two great actively serving General Authority Seventies. I will never forget the shock I felt to hear on the news of the cancer that would so quickly take Elder Per G. Malm from us. And as beloved as this first Swedish General Authority must have been, Elder Porter has been known and loved for a much longer time, even though he was slightly younger than Elder Malm.
I will anxiously await news of how and with whom the new Europe East Area Presidency was reorganized. You always seem to know about things like that, and that is another of the many things I have always respected about you for as long as I've known you here. I look forward to learning more about that in the not-too-distant future.
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the main reason I have had far less time to tend to my regular Wikipedia viewing and editing of late is that I started a blog a while ago, and much of my computer time every day has been devoted to writing blog posts, and reading and responding to comments on these posts. My blog has mostly been about Church news in general and all temple-related developments in particular, but I have taken the opportunity to regularly intersperse these important news updates with news of the personal happenings in the lives of my wife and myself.
If you have time and any desire to check that out, I always welcome new readers of my work. Click here if you are interested in doing so. Thanks so much for explaining yourself, even though you never need to in regards to your conduct with me. Oddly enough, now that I am working again, I will likely have more time to devote to resuming my edit work here. Seems paradoxical, I know, but there it is. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
great editing Ninja247 ( talk) 20:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC) |
Hey christensenMJ, I wanted to thank you for your work on the Clark Gilbert and Henry J. Eyring articles and make sure that you understood why I kept putting 10 April back in as the transition date. I agree that the new organization doesn't become active until 1 May, but it definitely looks like Gilbert will be operating in-place prior to that date. Check my latest revision notes on Clark Gilbert and check out the sound recording of the press conference I mentioned, embedded at the bottom of the cited press release at http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-announces-byu%E2%80%93pathway-worldwide-a-global-higher-education-organization, especially at timestamp 06:25. Let me know if you still disagree with my assertion of April 10 as the transition date (from a biographical perspective I guess). Thanks again for all your awesome contributions! TheBertag ( talk) 22:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello there~
I see that you reversed the edits made to Bruce Hafen's page. I wasn't finished adding all the inline citations back and the notes and publications.
Could you kindly restore the former edits so we can add the appropriate citations and notes, and publications, and you can revisit it then, to see if it's complete?
Thank you so much.
All of the data presented is sourced and accurate.
Kindly,
Karen fuschia3388 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuschia3388 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, You wrote: "French Polynesia is not to France what Hawaii is to US. FP is a semi-autonomous, affiliated territory, Hawaii is an actual US state. Geographical proximity doesn't make same."
This is wrong, as you can read on French_Polynesia#Relations_with_mainland_France:
"Despite a local assembly and government, French Polynesia is not in a free association with France, like the Cook Islands with New Zealand. As a French overseas collectivity, the local government has no competence in justice, university education, security and defense. Services in these areas are directly provided and administered by the Government of France, including the National Gendarmerie (which also polices rural and border areas in European France), and French military forces. The collectivity government retains control over primary and secondary education, health, town planning, and the environment."
Basically, like Hawaii (or any other US state) in the US. More on List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_Oceania#Non-sovereign_territories.
Best, A455bcd9 ( talk) 22:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ. Thanks for your recent edits correcting problems with the changes I had made on several pages I recently edited. I did have a couple of questions about your edits to the page that discusses the geographical areas of the Church. First, how are we supposed to know that the Senior President of the Seventy only assists in the domestic areas of the Church? That has not been indicated or clarified by any resource I have available to me. I know that the Church announced several years ago that areas within the US and Canada would be supervised by those in the Presidency of the Seventy, but it was my understanding that the Senior President of those seven fills any assignment he is given by the 15 apostles senior to him, including (when called upon to do so), assisting in all 25 Church areas. If that is not the case, is there a source that indicates that?
Secondly, and slightly less important, I know that the Wikipedia template for the second Manila Philippines Temple does identify the temple as you linked to it on the area page. But in the way President Monson worded the announcement of that temple during the April General Conference, he specifically stated that this temple was going to be built in "greater Manila Philippines area". And it is only here on Wikipedia that this temple is referred to as you indicated. Every other source that I have found refers to it using either President Monson's wording or as the "Greater Manila Philippines Temple". Also, I have on good authority that an official name announcement for this temple is only a matter of time.
I wanted to bring all of this to your attention to get some clarification from you on these points. Thanks for all your great work. Hope you know how much I respect you for that. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Brother Christensen,
Have you been through an official tour of the new Provo MTC buildings yet (well, I guess they're giving tours of the whole campus)? If not, then I hope you do not miss out. I'll be going soon. It goes through the 19th this month (08) for us regular Joes. And if they let us (unlike at temples), we should shoot plenty of video and photos. It'll be interesting to see how much it has changed inside since I was there in the system over 2 decades ago.
Have you been through their system, officially? Did you know that it's run by BYU-Utah? But does that make it part of BYU, then? Remember that the buildings are labeled as "M18," etc. ("m" for "missionary," someone of some prominence told me), meaning that they are included in BYU's system of building nomenclature? So even though I was thinking about this a while back, it's these new buildings that have triggered me into asking you this. Then, kind brother, as someone who seems to have had a lot of experience helping to construct and correct encyclopedia entries about our church (by "our," I mean that I assume you're part of the group of us), would you please do us the kind favor of adding all of the Provo MTC buildings to the list of Brigham Young University buildings?
Grateful to you if so, IP editor currently known as 97.117.38.233 ( talk) 05:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC).
Thanks, JG Stokes, for your reply here on MJ's page. How were you made aware that my request was here? Thank you too, MJ, for your reply. Okay, so if the MTC there is part of the BYU-Utah campus (I know, MJ, it's not BYU-Utah officially, but neither is it "BYU-Provo" officially; though "BYU-Utah" is a more accurate comparison against the other BYUs because the others are named by their states instead of their cities), then just by the merit that they sit on that ground and is maintained by them and has the "M___" buildings in their nomenclature, then regardless of who directs them ultimately why shouldn't they be listed as campus buildings because of these merits alone?
And MJ, have you been through the new tour yet?
And JG, have you?
Another Christensen: Mike, temporarily known by the IP address of 174.23.172.242 ( talk) 05:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC).
The rotating IP's are pretending to be nice, but they belong to
User:Stylized as "stylized" currently; formerly "stylizeD", just an FYI.
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I have noticed that their is a ongoing disagreement regarding the issue on Kate Kelly's member status with the Mormon church and multiple edits resulting from this even before I got involved and have requested assistance/moderation from Wikipedia in regards to the Kate Kelly and the appropriate interpretation in this case in hopes that this issue will get resolved. LXX3 ( talk) 14:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I also noticed a reference and citation mentioning something to the extent that she no longer claims affiliation with any religion. I haven't had time to look up the citation so I am not sure if it is valid or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LXX3 ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey, ChristensenMJ! Hope you are well, my friend! I wanted to stop by and thank you for helping to catch my unintentional errors (such as getting Tad R. Callister and Stephen W. Owen confused; long day) and for simplifying the edits I made as a result of the Church Board membership expanding. As I may have mentioned, as a young man, I spent a lot of time poring over old editions of the General Conference Ensigns. So I know that it was common for most of Spencer W. Kimball's tenure and perhaps part of the tenure of Ezra Taft Benson for the Church members to have a chance to sustain the Church Board of Education, which was then comprised of all First Presidency members, around half of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a couple of members of the Presidency of the Seventy, the Presiding Bishop and the Relief Society General President. Since I have had to be reliant at least for the last 10 years I have been a Wikipedia editor on whatever board membership lists the Church has put out, I have been grateful to have had that list easier to find in the last 3-5 years or so. I was glad to hear that the Church was adding two members of the Quorum of the Twelve to the Board, has added Elder Gong (who, as I may have also mentioned, left me impressed after an interaction with him at the stake conference of my parents' ward), once again included the Presiding Bishop, and has extended membership to the Young Men General President along with retaining Elder Hallstrom, who by all reports has been instrumental in filling that assignment during his tenure in the Presidency of the Seventy. The Church has done some very impressive things relating to Church education, both in expanding the outreach of secondary education and getting a feel for the potential effectiveness of the wonderful new curriculum we will get to enjoy starting next year. I am sure that with these changes to the Board, the Church will continue to move forward and progress very well. Anyways, just wanted to post with my thanks. I appreciate you and hope you are well. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:05, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ! Hope you are well. I am posting this message on your talk page to request your feedback on two topics I just started on the talk page for the LDS General Authorities. I have felt if I can get some kind of consensus on these matters, it would be in the best interests of the page going forward. Thanks, as always, for all your great work. I look forward to your thoughts on these questions.
Hello. It would appear that the powers that be are at it again, trying to ensure the deletion of Ted E. Brewerton. I wanted to make sure you knew. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk)
Hello. Hope you are well. While I applaud your good faith efforts to ensure accuracy regarding the current status of temples, I happen to know that the Asuncion Paraguay Temple is closed. As I may have mentioned earlier, I have joined the community of LDS bloggers, and my focus has been on current and future temple-related events. I also have contacts who have roles in sharing temple-related news. As such, I have categorically confirmed that the Asuncion Paraguay Temple has closed for renovation. When the original closure was announced, prior to updating their temple section, the Church's main website set October 29 as the closure date. That time has come and gone, and in the interim, the Church has updated their temple section, but there has been some information that has not yet been updated. Because of the contacts I have, I can state with absolute certainty that Asuncion is closed. I hope that my word on the subject is not problematic for you to accept. With how much time I have put into studying and reporting on such developments for my blog, I know what I'm talking about. Thanks for your ongoing efforts to ensure accuracy. I appreciate you! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 22:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for that clarification. Now that I understand more about where you were coming from, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Since posting my original response to you above, I have spent the better part of the last month and a half dealing with the cold/flu season which has hit the county in which I live with such ferocity. This necessitated my absence from Wikipedia from the time I posted my above comment until just a few days ago. I thank you for your kind reaction to my explanation, and want you to know that I respect your work as an editor to such a degree and extent that any concerns you express about my work will not offend me either. Keep up the great work. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 00:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, ChristensenMJ. Hope you are well. Just wanted to make you aware personally that I have cited a source here to verify my previous assertion (which you reverted) that the death of Thomas S. Monson left Russell M. Nelson as the acting Church president, per a statement from Harold B. Lee. Whether that is actually included or not in the article does not matter much to me, as we will know within the next 48 hours if, when, and how the First Presidency has been reorganized. Thanks for your continued diligence and ongoing attention to details on articles about the LDS Church. All the best. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 00:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for that response to my comment. It has been a rough year. I agree that, aside from this quote from Lee, we have not had much evidence supporting the notion that the death of the previous Church president leaves the next senior apostle as the acting Church president. AFAIK, no senior apostle has ever formally been presented to the Church as such. For that reason, I have no problem with the adjustments you made to the note. In just over 11 hours, we will know more about if, when, and how the First Presidency has been reconstituted (although it would very much surprise me to find that has not been the case), and any subsequent changes that may be needed can then be made. As always, thanks for your continued great work and kind responses to my messages here. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop a note to thank you for all the work you've done on LDS articles, especially lately with all the edits hitting because of the change of president. I appreciate how you keep Wikipedia a great source of information. Best, Bahooka ( talk) 17:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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Would you mind taking a look at the recent additions by DeusImperator at God in Mormonism? As I've explained on the talk page, I don't think the sources actually support the added text, but I could use a third opinion in case I'm wrong. Thanks. -- FyzixFighter ( talk) 03:56, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, ChristensenMJ. Hope you are well. I wanted to stop by and personally thank you for your continued diligence in fine-tuning content I have attempted to add. As time, circumstances, and my health have allowed me to do so, I have been working on the subpage for this year's General Authority assignment changes. It is going relatively smoothly, with one exception. I am sure that you have seen by now that I have changed the names of the two columns of the general authority seventies table to "Assignments" and "Field of labor". For those that have one assignment (which has applied to the first two GA Seventies on the list), that change has not been a problem. But for those with multiple assignments (such as Wilford W. Andersen}, there is an issue with the alignment of multiple assignments. The easiest way to get around that issue (in my opinion) would be to split each of the two relevant cells each in half, but every attempt I have made to do so has resulted in failure. I had requested your input (via the list of general authorities talk page) on how to get around this issue, but did not hear back (AFAIK). So I thought I would reach out to you about this directly. Do you know how I can get around this issue? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey, ChristensenMJ. I apologize that it took me until today to see and reply to your comment on my query. I have had a few more health issues to deal with in the two weeks since I asked for your input. I am well enough, just needed to take a step back to deal with things. In terms of your suggestion, I am aware of the command you mentioned above (hope you don't mind my putting it in quotes; leaving it as is just introduced an unnecessary space in your reply), but ran into a real problem with making sure the assignments aligned. In answer to your question, I had been busy enough working on the problems I mentioned with Andersen's listing that I had not gotten any further than his name. I began alphabetically, so I only was able to do Aidukaitis and Alonso in the new format before I ran into the problems with Andersen, and didn't get far resolving those issues, so I am still in the very preliminary stages. I also wanted to clarify this for you: I intend for the first column to list the positions each GA Seventy holds (for example: President or Executive Director) and for the second column to identify the area, mission, department, etc. within which such service is rendered (which for Aidukaitis would be the Brazil Area, and for, say, Larry Y. Wilson, would be Temple Department). I know it gets a bit confusing since I am still in the preliminary stages of that process. Since I asked for your input on my question, I think I may have found a potential solution, which I will be trying shortly. And your point is well taken. I should make it simpler for others to read. I will get right on that. In the meantime, I will attempt my solution, and if it doesn't work, I will again ask for your feedback and (possibly) your assistance. Thanks, and sorry again about the delay in getting back to you and the confusion I unintentionally caused. Hope you are well. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello again. After taking the last couple of weeks to deal with additional health issues (it has been quite a year for those problems), I just wanted to follow up and let you know that I tried a couple of different solutions for the problems I referenced here. I tried the break command, but that presented problems when the different assignments in the two columns did not align at all. It got to be a bit too messy. So instead of splitting the existing two columns, I eliminated one of the two columns, and now have the assignments and the relevant assignment areas in a single column. If there is any other way to make it more neat with two columns, I am not sure what that would be. I would be satisfied with the current layout if it works for you. Also, I wanted to mention that I have taken a few opportunities to scan the general authority bios on the Church website, and as far as I can tell, there is not any new information. And a final thought I had is that, with the hymnbook and children's songbook being redone, the Church quoted several leaders about that process, and particularly identified several individuals who are assigned to that project. Should those assignments be listed on the original GA page and the subpage for the August 2018 assignments? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 23:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Where did that come from? Billionaires' children are commonly listed in their wikipedia pages. Although these billionaire children have been more or less mentioned in news, most of them are not notable. And so are the Huntsman children. So I'm baffled by your weird obsession with not listing the Huntsman children. Slovebz ( talk) 09:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, the text I added to the intro was from the article. Virtuus ( talk) 07:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Would you be willing to help me with the citation on the Concepcion Chile Temple? I am trying to cite a source and it is giving me an error. I just don't know enough about updating a template to get it right. Thanks! - Glennfcowan ( talk) 17:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I see you reverted my edit. So I wanted to come here to discuss. So your claim is if an article has been deleted, that it should not be linked at all? Why then do we still link:
And the following are at AFD now, are we going to remove them too?
Also what about the 9 more that are just redirects to mere mentions of the people in the List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints list? Are we removing them too? Does that not then defeat the purpose of the template? -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Why do you keep deleting my edit to this page? He received his second anointing in Frankfurt in 2003, how is that not pertinent information that should be in his Wikipedia page? Deroque49 ( talk) 14:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Why would you leave the sentence about Tom Phillips claiming to receive the second anointing (the only source for this information being his Mormon Stories Podcast interview), but then take out the sentence about Hans Mattson (the only source also being his Mormon Stories Podcast interview)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deroque49 ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
I just added (or rather re-added) the Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple article now that the dedication has been scheduled. I know you like to edit temple articles and figured you would like to know that this article has been added. Do you mind taking a look to see if you can add anything? Glennfcowan ( talk) 20:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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I saw the Style Guide but it is at variance with the Style Guide on lds.org:
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I would like to appeal your decision. Thomas.merrill ( talk) 00:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
ChristensenMJ, I see you undid my revision as well, which merely attempted to lessen the impact of the hatred and bigotry endorsed by Wikipedia. Thomas.merrill said it quite well. It is very good to know that Wikipedia is both committed to the suppression of truth and complicit in the murder of its champions. TheOtter ( talk) 20:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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You may be interested to know that Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple is up for deletion review. You made a few changes after I re-created the page. It is my fault partially that the article is in a deletion review since I dragged my feet on adding 3rd party sources after someone tagged the article. I have added a few new sources and a new paragraph, but if you have anything to add, I would appreciate it. Glennfcowan ( talk) 04:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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I have recreated the graph of temples over time that is on the main temple list page. It was last updated in 2010, so it definitely needed. I will hang on to the data so it can be updated easier in the future. Do you mind leaving feedback on the chart? It is here. I am good with charts and data, but not with design, so any comments would be helpful. Feel free to invite anyone else you think would like to comment. Thanks! Glennfcowan ( talk) 02:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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I am trying to sort out why revisions done to Dr. Strobels page are continually removed? The information entered is factually correct, the formatting is also allowed. thank you in advance. DraghiKW ( talk) 19:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if it as correct or not, but policy is clear, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source.". Thanks. Doug Weller talk 11:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all your edits on the various Church wiki pages. I really appreciate your help. Quick question, do you have a reference or anything where they use CHD as a shortened name for the Church History Department? I have not seen that used before. Fullrabb ( talk) 13:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)Fullrabb
The Denver Temple wiki is completely uncited. It also contains the claim that the LDS church agreed not to light the temple up at night out of respect for the community. Again, without a citation. I live next to the temple and walk by it every night. It is light up all night, every night. I have re-added a line reflecting this fact with a citation to a picture showing the temple lit up at night. I will continue to add in this line every time it is removed.
Redwagon76 ( talk) 14:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I added a photo showing the temple lit up at night as a source and you removed it. The claim on the Denver Temple wiki is completely false. If you add a citation showing that the temple is not lit up at night, I will stop editing the article to remove or address this fact.
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Can you go through missions and make sure they all appear once as wheñ i did they appeared twice when i edited it Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I want you to check if any changes need made to mission list of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints as the limatambo area of peru is marked red and a couple of others with merged missions are marked black Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Can you go through and fully check and update if neccesary the missions list including limatambo peru so its name goes blue like every other mission expect central Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you take a look and see if you can improve on the Ensign Peak Advisors article. Fullrabb ( talk) 02:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
I cannot tell if you support my contributions or find them annoying. I appreciate your edits of my work. My primary goal is to provide more references and higher quality references for articles and remove some of the chaff. Let me know what think. Fullrabb ( talk) 20:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
Thanks for the feedback. I'm just trying to help. My focus has been adding sources to many of the Church-related articles (as well as some clean-up). I appreciate all of your hard work. I can see it far and wide. Keep up the good work! Fullrabb ( talk) 01:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
I see that you reversed previous revisions on the choir article in relation to the new logo. I have tried to upload an acceptable non-free use logo in Wikipedia and add it to the infobox with reasonable size and formatting. I also tried to mark the logo uploaded to Commons for speedy deletion as it should not be there. It has been a few years since I regularly contributed or dealt with logos, so hopefully my rationale statements, etc... are of sufficient quality. I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks! — GreenwoodKL ( t, c) 05:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
The age listed for Ciro Schmeil is wrong. I had changed it to the correct age, using his correct birthday, which is April 16, 1971. Here is my source: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-ciro-schmeil}} AlVic4011756O ( talk) 04:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for the good citation on your removal of my edit. I had not seen the MOS:LDS page. I appreciate that. Also, I haven’t been an editor for too long here, could I ask, when you said “good faith edits, but ok per...” what did “good faith edits” refer to? Was it an expression of good will to say that you understood that my edits were good faith, or to express that your removal was intended in good faith? Is that a common inclusion when removing or altering other editor’s edits? Thanks for helping me get familiar! Jas DB ( talk) 20:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! Thanks so much. Also, do you happen to have any idea where I could find information about deleting a discussion from my own talk page if that’s possible? I accidentally sent myself one not knowing it would stay there and it just looks a little silly, haha. Thanks again for your help! Jas DB ( talk) 21:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks so much! Showin me around is totally not your job, but I appreciate you taking the time! Jas DB ( talk) 21:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed you removed my edit to the Lectures on Faith page. May I ask why? Two persons in the Godhead is by definition Binitarian right? I would appreciate your thoughts, thank you. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 20:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me. I understand that mainstream Latter Day Saints don't see it that way and will interpret the LoF differently, but for example other denominations such as the Cutlerites will see God in a Binitarian/Bitheist sense see here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206122610/http://www.cutlerite.org/trinity.htm
And they retain the LoF in their canon. Lecture 5 sounds strongly Binitarian to me, I know that is subjective in this context but then again aren't "trinity" verses in the Bible the same way? In that Trinitarians will see it as trinitarian and nontrinitarians will not.. Also, a honorable mention of the Bickertonites, they are Binitarian even though they don't have LoF in their canon. They are heavily influenced by Sydney Rigdon, who was said to have written or heavily influenced the LoF, this is referenced on the LoF article btw. Anyway, thanks again for your time and apologies if I'm being tangential. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 22:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
That is a great idea. I feel silly for not doing it initially haha. Thanks for the suggestion, I will get to it soon.. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 15:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
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They are just as excluding used this way. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Why you reverted my changes? Its 17th september 2023... Joaosilva2000 ( talk) 11:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your most recent update on the St. George Temple page, I appreciate your grammatical fixes and general updates there. I believe your most recent edit was in good faith, to remove the header “access,” but I want to keep it there due to what I see from the Laie Hawaii Temple Page (which is listed as a good article). Despite the Laie Temple not being accessible to the public, it still contains information about who can get in (members of the church), through a section called “Admittance,” along with details of the visitors center. I am curious, and in as gentle a way as possible, I would like to better understand why you felt it was necessary to omit the information. And in the interest of improving the article, I want to see if we could bring back or reformat information about access. Itsetsyoufree32 ( talk) 21:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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The article for this entity is currently at Brigham Young University Hawaii, without a hyphen or an en-dash between "University" and "Hawaii". For this reason, the name should be spelled like this on the article page and at Church Educational System as well. If that's incorrect, then efforts should be made to change the article name of Brigham Young University Hawaii before the change is made in the text of articles. One way or the other it should be consistent throughout articles. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:40, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
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Nice job on your ongoing correction of the ordination vs sustaining dates of the LDS Church apostles and other GAs. There's a lot of misunderstanding about the difference and the articles have not been good on establishing the different dates. When I originally added the template boxes I think I just used the dates that were stated in the articles, but they were almost always the same date (the sustaining date). Thanks for doing that work. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:05, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
Hello, As you are probably aware, Steven E. Snow has been released from the Presidency of the Seventy and will be appointed Church Historian and Recorder in October 2012. This means, I'm sure, that he has been relieved of his responsibilities as a member of the Church Board of Education. Since you seem to have inside information about the Board, I am wondering who has/will replace him on the Board. Please find out soon if you can, and post the changes on Church Educational System. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 06:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Don't know if you noticed, but on the talk page for the article List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I started a new topic discussing the Hartford Connecticut Temple. Someone had claimed that the earlier announcement date for that temple should be included on the template. It was my feeling that mentioning the earlier date in the article for that temple was sufficient, and that the earlier date was irrelevant as far as the template was concerned. I requested comment, but no one has answered that request, so I thought I'd ask you to comment on the issue. I look forward to your input. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:53, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for updating Elder Zivic's assignment. However, I looked on LDS.org and failed to find any mention there of his assignment. I see two other seventies (though I can't remember who) that are listed as Assistant Executive Directors of the Temple Department, but under Zivic's LDS.org biography, that assignment is not listed. Is it possible that this was a previous assignment that he has now been released from? As soon as LDS.org has an updated list of assignments, I guess we'll know for sure. Please respond on my talk page, as I don't habitually check other users' talk page for a response. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:55, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
What is your rationale for chainging the Central America Area Second Counselor from Robert C. Gay to Kevin R. Duncan? The latest official source (the August Ensign lists Gay as the Second Counselor. Again, the issue is verifiability. And your source remains uncited. Please respond on the talk page for List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
I am posting this topic to invite you to comment on an issue I raised at Talk: List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints about the Boise Idaho temple. I goofed, and no one has been kind enough to fix my mistake, and I don't know how to fix it myself. It's been posted for a while, but so far, I am the only one who seems to care about this problem getting resolved. Please help me if you can. Thanks. Post any comments you have on this issue on that page. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:27, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
In attempting to add the general authorities that received emeritus status to the emeritus section of the page, I goofed somewhere and got an error that I can't fix on my own. Would you take a look at it and help me fix it if possible? Post any reply to the appropriate talk page. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 21:07, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
First Robert C. Gay, now Henry J. Eyring. Best I can see, I appreciate your good work. No interest in "getting the red out" by setting up an (as simple or as elaborate as you wish) user page? Just click that ChristensenMJ and you're off, as I imagine you may know. Anyway, my pref. All best. Swliv ( talk) 18:19, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I hate to bother you, but do you have any references to prove this body is notable? This article has many serious issues, such as too many primary sources. When you took out the text and citations that I had added, you made the article much worse: it went back to lacking context, it was completely unreferenced, it had BLP issues, and the external links and single article reference were not inline. You see, without citations, there are many issues:
Please fix the issues tagged in the article, or please rebut my arguments with at least three of your own. If you need assistance, please contact me. Bearian ( talk) 21:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
According to Changes to South America South Area Presidency to come, this change is not effective until January 6, 2013. Also, it has not yet been announced who will replace González in the Presidency. Accordingly, I have reverted your changes to González's article and have readded him to the current Presidency of the Seventy template. I suspect you might know who will replace González already, as you always seem to have inside information about these kinds of changes. But unless and until the change is official, it shouldn't be made. Sorry. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 00:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
I will rely upon you to make those other changes since I don't know what they would be. Thanks. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 01:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
See here. Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:15, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
I have requested help at Talk: List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Please help me and leave a response on that page if you can help. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 08:20, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
I am well aware of the MOS, but I don't think it's helpful to remove "president" from the Timeline articles, for the simple reason that many (most?) of the readers will not be LDS, and will not realise the significance of the person in question. In these terms there is a vast difference between someone who is an apostle or non-GA, and the president of the church to the organisation.-- MacRùsgail ( talk) 15:22, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
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You deleted my addition to the BYU Honor Code page. As the policy regarding facial hair in particular allows for exceptions this information needs to be included in the article. The University has laid out procedures students and faculty must adhere to in order to receive the proper exemption. By laying out these policies here students and interested observers are made familiar with the steps one needs to take in order to receive an exemption. It is not long enough to merit its own article. If you would prefer to move the new excerpt into the "Enforcement" section that is definitely open for discussion. Simply removing it, however, is an arbitrary and unwarranted decision on your part. Thank you. MacamemeandCheese ( talk) 21:24, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
After reviewing the edit again, I think you're right. It is too unwieldy for the honor code policy section, as it basically consists of a bullet-point list. Since the procedure for facial hair exemptions pertains more to Enforcement, and since the Enforcement section contains paragraphs rather than a bullet point list, this seems a much more appropriate location. I also trimmed the word count from 222 to about 130, making it smaller in context of the overall encyclopedia entry. In this way, the information about the exemption is still available, but not in a way that distracts from the overall content. I hope this is a sufficient compromise, and thank you for your attentive eye. MacamemeandCheese ( talk) 22:25, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
I see you have stated that the church in 1838 was called The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This is historically inaccurate. The use of 'The' wasn't added by the Church in Utah until years later - same with 'Latter-day'. In 1838 the name of the church was Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which is why many of the smaller branches of the Latter Day Saint movement continued to use this form of the name without the hyphen. Of course the current edition of the LDS D&C has been edited to reflect the name as current spelled. Best, A Sniper ( talk) 00:34, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
Thankyou for your constructive helps on the editing of the article on Edward Dube. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:19, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Do you have any reputable sources beyond BYU's self-reported data? Self-reported data is not suitable for rankings. I know for a fact that AAMC doesn't publish a "top senders to medical schools" ranking anymore. I'm going to delete the part regarding medical schools as their ranking was removed in the 2010-2011 rankings. Jakebarrington ( talk) 18:05, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
The problem is that this [1] Church News article just says he was a mission president, and this [2] listing of his call does not say where he is going. I have added the later, but we will need both references. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 22:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I got the note you left for me on the General Authorities talk page. My thanks for your thanks. I was wondering if you could help me with something. Shortly after merging the subpage with the GA page, I got a note on my talk page from a bot citing supposed errors with my edit. But I could not make sense of what the message was talking about. If you could check it out on my talk page and help me resolve the issues mentioned, I'd appreciate it. Once you have done so, please leave me a message either on the GA talk page or on my talk page as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give me. –– Jgstokes-We can disagree without being disagreeable ( talk) 06:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to drop a line and thank you for noticing I failed to update the date on the Area Seventies page even though I had updated the information. Not sure how I missed that, but grateful you caught it. Thanks for all your great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
FYI: [4]. I've pointed him to the talk page, where I see you've started a discussion. If he continues to make the edits without attempting to discuss or justify his edits, it will become obvious that he's just trolling. Good Ol’factory (talk) 18:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
Re: The BYU Honor Code page... The standards section presents value based POVs. For example, words that describe certain lifestyles and behaviors as "appropriate", "indecent", "inappropriate", and "clean" are absolutely opinions and personal values that are not shared by everyone. This section would be fine if it were quoted verbatim from the honor code. However, it's not. The language could be made more neutral by saying "Living what the LDS church considers to be a chaste and virtuous life" for example. Now, the Conflict with Official Doctrine section... There are no opinions there. There is only the fact (from the honor code) that former LDS students cannot practice their new religion and still receive an endorsement, and only the fact (from official LDS scripture) that the LDS church claims the privilege of allowing everyone to worship however they may. There are no opinions there. You are free to continue reverting edits that aim to make the language more neutral and that aim to present controversial facts (but still facts) that are of important note, but I will continue to revert you and I will report you. Fix and improve the article if you don't like it. Don't just revert back to how you want it to be. It's not yours. It's not the LDS church's. It's everyone's and it needs to be neutral and present all sides. -PonderosaPineapple
Seems like you have very large grounds to keep indeed. I'm in this for the long haul. Revert how you will, but I will continue to make sure the hypocritical, LDS-sourced facts get out there occasionally. Your friend, -PonderosaPineapple
P.S. Doesn't it concern you that the LDS church violates its own beliefs? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.199.59.208 ( talk) 17:55, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
You surely know more than I do of LDS, so I bow to your revert comment that "most positions shown not directly related to temple" wrt Douglas J. Martin. However some positions Martin held were in that temple & it seems to me that part can be retained as Martin seems to have been a pioneer in the NZ LDS church & certainly of the Hamilton New Zealand Temple. What do you think? -- DadaNeem ( talk) 05:29, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Hi ChristensenMJ. You're indeed more qualified than I thought to write on Douglas J. Martin!! My intent when writing of his relation to the Hamilton Temple was to make the articles mutually informative. Martin seems to have been a notable in the non-US LDS world so his relation to the Hamilton Temple, even tho humbler than his roles in the outside LDS world, even briefly alluded to, could inform a casual reader. A possible means: == Notables (or Associates) of the Temple == *[[Douglas J. Martin]], the first New Zealand resident to become a general authority of the LDS Church, was a stalwart of the Hamilton Temple from its opening in 1958.
Those interested in learning more could see then see details in Douglas J. Martin.-- DadaNeem ( talk) 06:26, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I applaud your efforts to amicably explain to Michael Reed the reasons behind the objections that are being made. It seems that, short of providing their own defense of his edits, some users have instead chosen to nitpick about the way I phrase my objections. I hope you understand where I am coming from on this issue. I have asked Reed at least twice to provide one source, just one, that would bear out the claims of his book. So far, he has not chosen to do so. That is why my objections remain. I felt perhaps that you might be able to tell me if I am being unreasonable in my requests for an independent source that bears out what his book claims. I trust your judgment. If you could respond either on my talk page or on the article talk page itself, that would be much appreciated. Thanks for helping me in this matter. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:52, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
I wanted to thank you for your defense of me. While our viewpoints may differ on the Michael Reed edits, I greatly appreciate you sticking up for me. I stepped away from the conversation for a few days because I had other things to do than argue with Michael Reed. My latest stated opinion on the matter has been overlooked: that is, if the consensus (through straw poll) votes to include the material, I will stand by that consensus. I was shocked at Reed's request that I be blocked and was gratified that you put your two cents in for me. Thanks again, good friend. Now it seems that the material has been included in the article (after a fashion) and I have no objection to the way it currently appears. But I will not mention that on that particular talk page. Reed would only misconstrue and twist my words and request again that I be blocked. If you could reemphasis my latest stance on the issue, I'd appreciate it. Reed will likely take it better from you than he would from me. Thanks again! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:20, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I am once again in need of your advice. In regards to the Thomas S. Monson lawsuit, the user that is pushing for the lawsuit to be mentioned in this article is disregarding cited sources and stooping to personal attacks. I thought of writing a reply to him but decided against it. It would only serve to rile him further. Since I am the one under attack here, I would ask for your help with this matter. I think if another user could substantiate my arguments while defending me, it might take the wind out of this user's sails. As it its, I feel all I can do for the moment is to step away from the subject for a time. I have put in my two cents. Now I need to leave it up to other editors to defend me and agree with me. I will still keep an eye on the discussion, but I feel that anything else I say would serve to inflame this user, and that's the last thing I want. Your help is greatly appreciated. If you could respond to this on my user talk page or the talk page for the Monson article, as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages, I'd appreciate it. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:40, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I hope things are going well for you. I have taken the liberty of creating a subpage for changes that will be effective in August 2014. It is located here. So I was looking through the list after making all the announced changes and seeing if I could find assignments for the "unassigned" brethren. So I looked at their bios on LDS.org. And it would appear that the Assistant Executive Directors of the Temple Department have changed, based on information available in the bios. I was wondering if you could confirm this information based on your access to the CDOL. Plus, if there are any assignments listed there that we don't have on the subpage, we can input them there as well. Any information you can provide would be helpful. Thanks for your cooperation and assistance. Best wishes! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 20:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I wanted to drop a line and thank you for your quick work in getting W. Craig Zwick's new assignment up on the List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints page. I came onto Wikipedia to double check something based on other information I found in the Church News and stumbled across your edit. Sounds like he'll be busy for the next three years with that assignment. Also, I don't know if you got my last message, but I wondered if you could look that over and reply ASAP as I have been looking forward to your feedback. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:43, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
I am posting here to ask for your assistance with something. I have been working with Charles Edwin Shipp to try to substantiate the sentence he input from an introduction made at a recent CES fireside at which Elder Ballard spoke. It was said of him that much of his ministry has been focused on missionary work. I have been working with Charles to get him to substantiate this claim by citing some of Ballard's relevant General Conference addresses on the subject. He has done so, but I haven't had a chance to look them over or reply yet. I was wondering if you would be able and willing to work with us to get the content Charles desires into the Ballard article in a way that would not be a violation of Wikipedia policy. I hope you can help us. Thanks in advance. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 23:16, 11 May 2014 (UTC)
Isn't it interesting how Destiny directions can start and evolve! I saw that there was no TALK page for Elder Ballard's WP page/article and so started one with this idea. My thought then was that (1) the page was somewhat in need of improvement; (2) his emphasis is reaching out with modern tech/media (including youth taking a lead in social media) and what better media than Wikipedia? (3) Other thought, such as his leadership (under several prophets/presidents) in missionary work, first with young elders, then young sisters and seniors, and now member missionary work including his conf.talks. Further, I consider the TALK pages as an extension to the Article/pages, and a very interested WP reader will know to go there for further insights. Charles Edwin Shipp ( talk) 13:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
I am posting here to inform you, if you don't already know, that the article I started on Kevin S. Hamilton has been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping the article on the relevant page, but was criticized for my comments. So while I will keep an eye on the way this develops, I don't intend to say more than I've already said. I wondered if you might be able to look over that AfD discussion and add your thoughts. If this page is deleted, I will have to question the notability of other articles written about current or former members of the Second Quorum of the Seventy. Anyways, just wanted to alert you to what was going on with that so you could comment if you choose. Perhaps you see this situation differently from me and have a better understanding of the policies and procedures involved. If you have any feedback on this comment, please leave it on my talk page, as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages for replies. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 01:23, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I thought you'd like to know that the articles about Terence M. Vinson and Gregory A. Schwitzer have been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping them and will leave it to the consensus to decide. If you'd care to comment, I'm sure your perspective, whatever it might be, would be welcome. Thanks for all your great work on Wikipedia! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:39, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello; because you commented in this discussion, I thought you might be interested in participating in this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to drop a note and ask if you knew whether or not the CDOL is back up and running? If so, does it list the executive directors and assistant executive directors of the various Church departments? If it does, that information could be included in the now up-to-date List of general authorities page. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer about this. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:14, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
So the answers to my other questions are....? I asked, "Does [the CDOL] list the executive directors and assistant executive directors of the various Church departments? If it does, that information could be included in the now up-to-date List of general authorities page. Thanks in advance for any feedback you can offer about this." Thanks again for any feedback you are able/willing to provide. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:37, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Latter_Day_Saint_movement#Official_Auxiliary_Titles involving Auxiliary Titles.--- ARTEST4ECHO ( talk) 17:52, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello. You may have noticed that I have not been active on Wikipedia for about a month. Long story short, I got a job. I still intend to edit Wikipedia regularly, but getting into the groove of the job has left me unable to edit during the last month. So I wanted to drop a line and ask if there were any major changes on Wikipedia pages of interest that I needed to be aware of. You know my interests well enough by now to know what I mean by that. So if you could bring me up to speed, that would be great! Please leave any reply on my talk page as per my usual request. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:09, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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I undid your reversion because who owns the competing paper, especially considering the history of the Salt Lake Tribune vis a vi the LDS Church, is relevant to the article. I did fix the wording however to say that they own it, not produce it. Cat-five t c ---- 19:19, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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I accidentally saved before I completed my sentence. I understand your reasoning, but the "s" is needed for all the templates used on List of temples of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to work. Without it the temple is listed as "OPEN".--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 18:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The link links to a plastic surgeon's website. Please look at links before you reinstate them. It has nothing to do with the article or Cultural Mormonism. Royal Mate1 19:46, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
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I redid the edits to the Joseph Smith page. The previous reference of Bushman p69-70 is incorrect and does not talk about the death of his son. I corrected not only the information that it was a live birth, as supported by the source, but also corrected the page number. If there is another reference that mentions a still birth then please correctly reference that material. Here is a link to the correct page in the reference material. https://encrypted.google.com/books?id=Mz3tpz4eRBQC&q=named+Alvin+after+Joseph%E2%80%99s+older+brother#v=onepage&q=named%20Alvin%20after%20Joseph%E2%80%99s%20older%20brother&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brownmattc ( talk • contribs) 23:25, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello ChristensenMJ. I spent a good deal of time looking at the Kimball biography, Quinn, and McKay biography sources that were there. I included those in the latest version--none of the sources are missing and you did not restore any new ones. Also, there were errors in the previous version. Also, the text claimed things that the sources did not support. There was no indicating in the sources of a unanimous vote in 1969, particularly since all three sources say that McKay and Smith were entirely against until a revelation came, and so were numerous apostles at the time. The sources also do not support the claim that Lee "blocked" the LDS Church. He couldn't "block" the LDS Church. He, Dyer, Petersen and others played a prominent role in suggesting a revelation versus mere administrative change which, according to the sources, was only really propounded by Brown. Check the sources yourself. Don't revert because it 'read well before'; it was inaccurate, and read poorly. Most important the sources did not support the claims. Vermilioncliffs ( talk) 16:01, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
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u know that I did not add or remove any links to that article don't u? 118.93.85.100 ( talk) 03:12, 27 April 2015 (UTC)
I misunderstood, the young missionary the Wilders visited at the Copenhagen Temple, Matt was Wilder's son. Of course Wilder doesn't make this temple notable. But it is routine to add a descriptions of a building, institution, place taken from a memoir to a WP page. E.M.Gregory ( talk) 11:20, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
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I guess i'm confused - how could Nelson now be "the most senior member of the Quorum of the Twelve" and at the same time "second most senior apostle among the ranks of the church." What is the difference? Blainster ( talk) 03:18, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
I requested that they put the Semi-protecion back on Thomas S. Monson at Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection#Thomas_S._Monson. Hopefully they will. You might want to chime in also, but it's up to you.--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk)
It appears that ChristensenMJ is blatently trying to whitewash facts surrounding Thomas S. Monson. Any legal issues a public figure is in involved in should be included in a wiki profile. There is no hearsay with my edits but rather direct references to legitimate legal actions. See /info/en/?search=Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump as precedent. Monomoinut ( talk) 16:45, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I will redact the Tom Phillips part despite disagreeing with the consensus. The portion I originally included about the LDS Church sex scandal lawsuit that he has been subpoenaed to is highly relevant and cannot in any way be seen as "frivolous" as the Tom Phillips one may be seen in that light, particularly because a judge has ruled that the subpoena be reinstated. Monomoinut ( talk) 20:51, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
I will leave it be for now, but it really is Wikipedia:Citation overkill. You don't have to cite everything, only challenged or Likely to be challenged--- ARTEST4ECHO( Talk) 19:24, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
Just saw your reversion of my edit, and your comment. I was thinking my edit could instead go in "Background", or in the second paragraph of "Events leading up to the revelation". I think it's a relevant addition; many fellow LDS I've spoken with note that the revelation had just as much impact on black women as it did on black men, since all black members were excluded from temple ordinances (other than baptism for the dead). Your thoughts?
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I wanted to use this one message to thank you for a bundle of edits you did recently. First, my thanks for the clarification and clarity you added to my references on the pages of each currently serving apostle. Your changes made my edit, which I felt was good, great. User: Trodel has made some suggestions about making these notes sourced and referenced. If you have anything to add, I would invite you to comment on the Latter Day Saint Wikiproject talk page. The other edits I wanted to thank you for were made to the Sunday School article and really helped address the question I had as far as making a clear distinction between those who served as members of the Sunday School General Presidency while they were General Authorities verses those who subsequently served as General Authorities after or before their Sunday School service. I really appreciate your good work and attention to detail. I also wanted to ask if you knew whether or not there has been any word about who the new Commissioner of Church Education might be in light of Paul V. Johnson's call to serve in an Area Presidency. Any information you have on that would be appreciated. Btw, there is no need for you to make the effort to reply on my talk page anymore. I hope it's all right, but I added your talk page to my watch list, so I will always know when you have replied here to a question or comment I have made. Thanks for all your efforts! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Just stumbled upon a source, dated May 1, 2015, that announces the change in Commissioner of Church Education. I can't believe I didn't think of it before, but the announcement was there, large as life, in the seminary and institutes of religion section of lds.org. You will find the source in question here. Accordingly, I will be adding this source to all the relevant places. Hope this news pleases you. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:11, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
My understanding is that anyone--church member or not--can request an LDS account. For those that are not members of the Church, the enrollment process is a little different. But it is possible, as far as I know. Since the news item in question could thus be considered as being in the public domain, and since it is the only one available, I feel it's worth adding to all the relevant articles. You are, as always, welcome to disagree with me. But I have a feeling that once the Seminary and Institute broadcast is in the public domain, we will have another source that can be used to verify this information. In the meantime, a password-protected source is, in my mind, better than none at all, so I might go ahead and revert the Johnson edit. Let me know if you disagree. The last thing I want to do is get in an edit war with you. Just let me know. I'll be keeping an eye out for a response. Btw, they changed the policy at work so I can't check Wikipedia while on the job anymore. So my Wikipedia involvement will likely be limited during the week to what I can do outside of work. But whenever you leave a reply, I will at very least learn about it that day after work. Thanks, as always, for seeking my opinion before undoing my edits. I greatly appreciate your courtesy. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Since Rjensen reverted both your and my reverts on the Brigham Young article that objected to his changing the page without first establishing a consensus for the material he wanted to add, I left a message on his talk page, which he promptly deleted. I'm not sure what to do about those edits as a result of that. It appears that he has very little respect for the principle of consensus and is determined to push his edits that violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policies. Thankfully, he seems to have gotten the message with this last revert of what he was trying to add. What more can/should be done in regards to this situation? I only ask because I'm very concerned about it, and I would like to see it resolved ASAP, as amicably as possible. Another matter I wanted your feedback on is an edit I recently made to the template in the article about Boyd K. Packer. My reasons for this edit are as follows: I don't think it's sufficient or correct to say that the reason President Packer's tenure as Acting President ended was because he became Quorum President. The real reason his tenure ended was because Thomas S. Monson, who simultaneously served as First Counselor and Quorum President, returned to the Quorum when the First Presidency was dissolved as a result of President Gordon B. Hinckley's death. He was only set apart as Quorum President a week later, after he was voice in setting apart President Monson as Church President. Is there a better way to explain that than the reference I added? I would welcome any suggestions/corrections you feel would be helpful or appropriate to make. Thanks for all your hard work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:52, 1 August 2015 (UTC)
On Brigham Yong's article, I noticed that a block was placed on the user who was causing so much trouble. Let's hope that leads him/her to reconsider their disruptive edits. I greatly appreciated your feedback on the note I left on Boyd K. Packer's template. I agree on what you said about his tenure as Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles being seen in both an obvious and a practical way. Good insight on his death and Nelson's automatic ascension to that position. However, I feel that it's important in Packer's case to note that Monson was still the President of the Quorum of the Twelve until he was set apart as Church President. Only then did Packer's tenure as Quorum President become an automatic thing. I guess it comes down to the difference between what happens at the death of a Church President vs. what happens at the death of a Quorum President. The former is seen as automatic but in one case really isn't (as the most senior apostle could, if he felt so inspired, name someone else to succeed the Church president), whereas Quorum Presidency is more of an automatic thing, passing from one person to the next at the death of the first individual. Hope that makes sense. Anyways, just wanted to thank you again for your insight into these matters. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:13, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
The editing that Smith's mental and emotional illness doesn't appear in his teaching manual is not an observation. It's a flat fact. Go ahead and do a word search of the .pdf manual. Stating that "the sun appears yellow to the naked eye" also doesn't run afoul of wp:or. While technically an observation (on some level), it's also an undeniable fact, which doesn't require an academic article to cite to. Otherwise, we'd have to cite to articles like, "Was George Albert Smith Male?: a study of his apparent gender," in order to use the pronoun "he." I get it if you're a Mormon apologist, but to anyone without a religious agenda, this section is simply a fact, personally verifiable by anyone by clicking on the link, and therefore not worthy of academic study, and shouldn't be objectionable or a violation of wp:or.
If you want to find a way to work together so that it falls within the guidelines (it does already, but I'm willing to discuss other options in a spirit of collaboration), that's fine. I'm also happy to request a WP:Third opinion review. But you don't own these pages, nor the truth.
Delete it again, and I'll report you for edit warring.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.130.200.180 ( talk) 17:33, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your response. I'm happy to be toned down once my purpose on these pages and ground rules are established. Pages on Mormon history or rife with vandalism, and/or apologetics. In a time when the LDS Church and its history/doctrines are under heavy attack, the truth is the only thing that will save it--and Wikipedia is the first place people go to find it. Full disclosure on me: I'm an active Mormon. I have three (3) apostles and six (6) seventies in my home ward, and I speak with them often. I'm also an attorney. And like the First Presidency and brethren who are constantly striving for greater transparency in the church, I have no tolerance for whitewashing Mormon history. My devotion and purpose on these pages lies in only one place--the truth. If it's supported by the facts and its relevant to to page, pro-church or bad (or in ANY article on ANY page), it belongs. If not, it doesn't. WP articles shall always be neutral--above all--but neutrality is not defined by lack of positive or negative information, only a lack of intellectual honesty and/or honest intent. If information is historically or conceptually relevant, and is supported by the facts, it belongs. If not, it goes. These pages have a long way to go before they're complete.
It's my pleasure-thank you. And thank you for yours. To co-operate with you and your concerns about implying any kind of conclusion, I've edited the language to remove the word "paradoxically" to further distance it from such concepts. Now it should simply read as a statement of fact. In regards to your approach on how to deal with things--I prefer to take action first, and let people react and show themselves. It's generally a more genuine response.
Take care. 65.130.200.180 ( talk) 19:53, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello. I wanted to write and thank you so much for your edit on the LDS temple status template page. I had been hoping to have time to update that on Wikipedia last weekend, but other things got in the way and I wasn't able to do so. So my thanks for that edit. I also wanted to post and explain my edit on the CES page. As I said in the edit summary, I am a grammar Nazi. I have taken 3 Honors English classes in High School and spent my junior and senior years in High School on the staff of the school newspaper. Plus, my mom does freelance proofreading for Deseret Book. I am listing these credentials so that you understand that I didn't pull my edit out of a hat or revert your change out of any bad feelings for you. One of the things that was stressed in all my classes was the overuse or misuse of punctuation marks. One thing I noticed in most of the articles or papers I proofread in those classes was that there is a misunderstanding, misuse, and overuse of the comma. As I stated in undoing your edit, it makes more sense grammatically and in form to eliminate the commas. Are they okay to use in this case? Probably. But if we want the best Wikipedia we can possibly have, then articles must be attentive to the proper use of punctuation. In my mind, it makes more grammatical sense to have "Kim B. Clark of the First Quorum of the Seventy" than "Kim B. Clark, of the First Quorum of the Seventy." If you were to say something like "Kim B. Clark, a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy", then the two commas would clarify the meaning. But there shouldn't be a comma prior to or following a preposition. That's a commonly understood grammatically rule, at least to all who are grammar Nazis like myself. I can't provide chapter and verse for you on this. I can only assure you that I am a grammar Nazi and do know what I'm talking about in this matter, much as all I can do is trust you in some things we've discussed over time. I have no motivation to lie to you. I hope you will determine that I can be trusted as one "in the know" on this matter. I don't want to edit war with you. If you do require a source, though, I can get you one from my mom's Chicago Manual of Style. With that said, I do hope you will take my word for it and not wage an edit war about this. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 09:10, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
You may have noticed that I sent a lot of thanks your way for all the changes you have made, specifically ones that enhanced changes made by me. Hope I didn't go overboard in those expressions. In regards specifically to James J. Hamula, I understand where you're coming from but might suggest that similar wording as what I had be employed to explain Hamula's current service. It's not as if my wording was inaccurate. His assignment is currently unspecified. Anyways, I just wanted to see what could be done about that. Thanks again for your efforts. P. S. I wanted to also specifically solicit your feedback on my two proposals to rename or move the location of two Church-related articles. To me, it makes more sense to have the general authorities and general officers of the Church on one page rather than two separate articles, especially as the Church now puts them on the same chart in the Ensign. As for the other proposal, the marquee of the weekly choir program does use "&" rather than "and", so I feel it's worth proposing a renaming of that article. Thoughts? -- Jgstokes ( talk) 09:43, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
Hello again, my friend. I wanted to apologize to you personally if I offended you by asking you to summarize your argument against this page merge. I felt you could do it better than I could, especially since I might be tempted to deliberately misrepresent your views to ensure that this change would go through. I want you to know that I don't take offense at your opposition to this change. I respect you too much as a Wikipedia editor and as a person to do so. I hope you don't take offense at and know that I mean well in continuing to voice my support for this change. You're awesome! Have a wonderful day! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:29, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
Hey, concerning your second revert, I assumed you initially reverted it because my citation had a syntax error in the citation. But, aware now that you did see it and your concerns are more than just an 'appropriate ref' (which made me think you hadn't seen my initial ref) but about WP:RS instead. I was unaware initially of the nature of the 100HB and assumed it to be a more or less direct source, but that said, what would you considered a reliable source on the subject? Would this, an archived page coming from (what I assume to be) Dr. Susan Rugh at BYU's History department, be more along the RS lines for you?: http://web.archive.org/web/20040816082839/http://fhss.byu.edu/history/faculty/rugh/sflc/campusgroup/socialclubs.html If not, I'd appreciate some help locating a more solid source, as this certainly a subject that, at least concerning collegiate life in North America, is a significant component that isn't mentioned in the article. Green Runner 0 19:55, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
Instead of spending so much effort erasing other's "good faith efforts" why don't you just fix them? Asking for a friend. Thmazing ( talk) 20:40, 3 October 2015 (UTC)
FYI - also created a template for Renlund. Granted, it's incomplete, but at least it's a start. Atohanie ( talk) 21:26, 3 October 2015 (UTC)Atohanie
I tried adding Jeffrey R. Holland's daughter. But you removed my minor edit because you felt she was not as notable as her brothers. I believe the page is about Jeffrey R. Holland specifically. And specifically there is a section about his immediate family. Somehow you've found his wife to be notable enough, but not his daughter. May I ask why you're opposed to listing her name? Curtisnoble ( talk) 06:19, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation. I apologize if I misunderstood the notability requirements. I had reviewed them and felt that WP notability applied only to whether or not a topic or person deserved its own article. That's why I didn't create an individual article. Specifically the requirements state that "Notability guidelines do not apply to content within an article." So naturally I felt okay including it. And as I go back and look deeper into the topic I believe that the notability guidelines for lists certainly apply. The family section provides a list (of sorts) including his immediate family. It mentions he has three children, but only names two of them. And of this, WP says: "Because the group or set is notable, the individual items in the list do not need to be independently notable." Granted this is for stand-alone lists, but I think the general rule applies here. If you mention he has children, you should include all of them regardless of notability because the group is notable. Again, I'm not trying to add an article about Mary H. McCann. I'm simply trying to improve the factual content in this article. And according to WP, notability guidelines don't pertain to article content. Do you disagree still? Curtisnoble ( talk) 16:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
In an edit summary at Ryan T. Murphy I asked you the curious question of if, since you are a Christensen like me--Mike--(and I will continue to write even with another IP address if/when it changes on me), your M from "MJ" also stands for "Mike"/"Michael" like mine does. So... just for you to be friendly with me and fill in my curiosity (and since your user name is much of your real name anyway, I suspect), does it stand for that? But if not, then what?
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It seems you are expecting for official communication by the church of jesuschrist of latter day saints to be issued, while many will find it important to know prior to that that a date has been issued. Would you need a letter to convince yourself that such communication exists? Andrewpcx 21:21, 9 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewpcx ( talk • contribs)
ChristensenMJ, thanks for your continued great work here on Wikipedia. Work and some personal crises have kept me from regularly contributing to Wikipedia lately, but I have done what I could. I am writing to discuss our difference of opinion regarding the directorship of the Temple Department. I respect you as an editor, and your efforts to ensure accurate information on LDS related pages has been inspirational to me. However, here's the situation as I see it. We have the reference from the Church stating that Wilson is the new Temple Department Executive Director. Then we have your claim that the Church article is in error. On what grounds is that claim being made? Do you have a counter-source that disproves this information? I realize that in some areas relating to the Church, you have more inside information than I do. But I see also that you initially discounted the news of the Kinshasa and Barranquilla temple groundbreakings because "the Church hasn't officially announced them." and then later changed your tune when the Church announced it. Odds are, the original news came from ldschurchtemples.com, which, though not officially endorsed by or supported by the Church is nonetheless kept up to date by information which the Church supplies to the webmaster, Rick Satterfield. I have always been of the opinion that one source trumps no source. And especially in this instance, where there has been no official retraction, correction, or clarification from the Church, the source we have is officially from the Church. Until we have a counter source, it is my opinion that we should go with what we know. I could see not trusting the information if it came from ldschurchtemples.com, but where it came from the Church's official Newsroom, I feel we must use that as our yardstick against which the veracity of any other claim can be measured. Unless you can cite a countersource or otherwise disprove this source, my edits, backed up by the official Newsrooom release, should stand. At least, that's the way I see it. You probably see it differently. If you have any additional light to shed on this matter, you can post it here, on my wall, or on the relevant Wikipages. Keep up the great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 07:31, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
This was deft. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ. I am stopping by to once again thank you for all your wonderful work on Wikipedia. Thanks especially for fixing and clarifying good faith edits I have made. The Young Men General Presidency count is tricky. I can see merits to either course of action. That's why I'm leaving it for the consensus to decide. I don't care which way it goes, as long as we can come to some agreement. Also, I wanted to let you know why I have made changes to the current status of LDS temples. I feel that noting temples under renovation or with a groundbreaking, dedication or renovation scheduled are just as important to note as the normal categories of operating, under construction, and announced. I would have no objection to you or anyone else editing for clarification or brevity, which is not my strong suit. I hope we can settle on a wording that is satisfactory to all concerned. Thanks for all your great work! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:36, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
Hello. Thanks for reordering the temples to reflect the order in which they were announced. As I mentioned on the talk page, I am having trouble getting the Lima Peru Second Temple to show up on the list. Any help you can give me with this would be appreciated. Also, did you see my note on the list of general authorities WP article? It appears the Church no longer differentiates between those of the First and Second Quorums of the Seventy, and, instead sustained those called yesterday as merely "General Authority Seventies." Any help you could give me with these items would be appreciated. THanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 19:12, 3 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you for your edits. I personally felt the sections better organized the information in the article and made it easier to read, but your comments on it being too short for sections have been noted. For clarity and for me to make sense of changes that at times seem arbitrary, can you point me to a specific guideline here? I am a relatively new user so that would be helpful. Also, I did some research regarding your remarks on the 25th of November - remarks concerning the previous nomination of an article on this individual for speedy deletion. I wasn't aware of the article that had been deleted, but I was able to locate and archived version of it online. After reviewing, I understand why it was removed (poor citations, close connection with the subject, etc). However, the current article, from what I can tell, follows Wikipedia's guidelines and does not appear to be substantially similar to the one you were referring to. Hopefully I'm correct in saying this. Thank you very much for your help! Jeremyb949 ( talk) 18:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
You carelessly undid all my accurate good faith updates with one click, to the page about the "what of the mormons" book and you clearly did not review ANY of the changes and only returned the page to the status quo which included a state where no references were in the reference section (a problem I had fixed). PROTECTING PAGES for personal reasons is a violation! People established on wikipedia, such as yourself, who camp and routinely block good faith changes on wikipedia, display disgusting behavior. Wikipedia is NOT about protecting the status quo and protecting pages from updates that might show uncomfortable things about your church. Since you are not interested in accuracy on pages, only maintaining the status quo on mormon related pages, your privileges should be suspended.
All of the changes I made to that page were ACCURATE and in very telling fashion, you did not even challenge ANY of the changes specifically, you merely summarily undid everything I had added in good faith. You returned the page to a state of blatant inaccuracy regarding that book, and a state lacking a reference in the reference section that I had added. You should have your ability to alter pages suspended because you clearly do not seek to contribute to wikipedia, only maintain the status quo on pages that pertain to mormonism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.56.195 ( talk) 02:39, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
Since it is a rule to tell people when they have been reported, here you go, you have been reported for protecting a page related to your church, merely out of personal opinion and desire to protect your church from any accurate descriptions:
/info/en/?search=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User_ChristensenMJ_is_summarily_reverting_an_entire_page_merely_to_prevent_clarity_on_uncomfortable_issues_for_his_church — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.2.56.195 ( talk) 02:54, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
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Hey. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate the reasons for reverting my edit on this article, but I disagree with your reasons for so reverting. Why is it inaccurate and/or inappropriate to say this was a practice and policy change? Changes such as this are almost always a matter of both rather than one or the other. I went ahead and reinstated my wording, but wanted you to know so as to avoid a potential edit war or the possibility of unintentionally offending you. Thanks for your attention to this detail, but I really feel both words are needed in this case. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:57, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. I understand now that my revert of your was disingenuous at best, and totally uncalled for at worst. Sorry about that. Thanks for your kindness. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop a line and thank you for your defense of me on the article about the Book of Abraham. It appears the user of whom I was trying to request that proper procedure be followed has elected to unleash his ire on me. It was only you that recognized my good intentions. I appreciate your defense of me, and I'm sorry if I offended this user. My good intentions seem to have been called into question more and more recently, and I appreciate your willingness to recognize my good intentions, however misguided they may have been in this case. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 01:54, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi there! I'm just wondering whether you plan on taking part in the discussions that Ministre d'État and I opened at Ezra Taft Benson and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints respectively. Cheers, Graham ( talk) 22:47, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
Hi, in regards to your recent reverts on Stephen L Richards and Mervyn B. Arnold, my edits were intended to remove the duplicate "the", e.g. "the The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints". If your issue is with the capitalization of "the" in "The Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-day Saints", then you can adjust it accordingly, but remember to avoid the duplicate "the". — 0xF8E8 ( talk) 16:14, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
Does not exist, please understand that having a title like that is nonsensical - there is more than one Perth. You should have understood that a redirect is far more sensible than re-storing the meaningless title of the name JarrahTree 23:19, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
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Thanks for your ongoing good faith efforts in regards to the recent death of Bruce D. Porter. As I have been absent from regular Wikipedia editing until this week when I started a new job, I was operating on what I read in the Deseret News article about Elder Porter's death. Here's the relevant paragraphs from the article, which is the statement made by a Church spokesman in announcing Elder Porter's death: "We are deeply saddened to announce that Elder Bruce D. Porter of the Seventy died at his home last evening, surrounded by his family. Elder Porter, age 64, succumbed to a pulmonary infection that developed in recent weeks. Until earlier this month he served as the President of the Europe East Area.
"In early December he was released from that position and assigned to serve at Church headquarters. Our gratitude, thoughts and prayers are with his wife, Susan, and their family. We are profoundly grateful for the valiant service he offered to the very end of his life. He will be greatly missed."
If the pulmonary infection developed in recent weeks, it was the reason for the end of his area presidency assignment, and the reassignment to Church headquarters, whether it was "real" or not, was nonetheless a fact. And if the cited sources verify it, it should be included.
However, since I always find it safer to assume good faith, so I will fight the many logical reasons I have to revert your revert of my edit. But I am approaching you about this privately to let you know that I couldn't disagree more with your most recent edit. I have every respect for you as an editor, but I strongly object to your apparent open disregard for what the verifiable sources say. Wikipedia has very little to do with "reality" and almost everything to do with "verifiability." That reason alone is strong enough grounds to warrant a revert of your edit.
But out of respect for you and the work and thought you put into just about everything you have always done as a Wikipedian, I will forebear from waging an edit war just to prove this point.
Now that I've made my objections to your revert clear to you, I did want to ask: since you seem to have an inside track on what changes are happening at Church headquarters, do you know what has been done in terms of reorganizing the Europe Area Presidency? Obviously Elder Porter's reassignment and subsequent death, such as it was, means that such a change has already happened. I have looked seemingly in vain for information on that point, and have come up empty. As far as I know, the Europe East Area is one of few in the world that doesn't have its own website on lds.org.
My only hope is that, now that the Deseret News has relayed news of Elder Porter's death, the news of those changes will shortly follow. Thanks, as always, for your great work. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:19, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for sharing your reasoning. I will admit that at least I can see your point, such as it is, even if I do not agree with it. Maybe I am inferring things not explicitly said. When in disagreement with anyone, I am always more inclined to believe that any misunderstanding of their viewpoint is my fault and not because they have not clearly explained things to my satisfaction. For as long as we have worked together here on Wikipedia, I have, without exception, found you to be very cognizant of and respectful towards my thoughts and views, and I do appreciate that very much. I have never had reason to doubt that you have ever in any way not acted in good faith, and that is something I cannot say of many of our fellow Wikipedians with whom we have interacted in the past, especially those who have surfaced recently. When I posted the above message, I paused for a moment to look over the voluminous nature of some of the comments critical of you and your work on this page. Those who have said such things about you have not acted in good faith at all. You always have. I want you to know I appreciate that about you.
And I will be the first to admit that I am often too quick to read between the lines and infer things that may not be the case. You make a valid point about the failing health and the "real assignment". However, even if the nature of the "reassignment" was only to allow him the ability to die in the peace and comfort of his own home, in the company of his loving family, the fact remains that the article did mention explicitly that he had been reassigned to Church headquarters. Inference or not, that is the cold, hard fact, and that should be mentioned. I would be more than all right with the idea of leaving my inferences out of the picture.
That being said, I am not as interested in how "real" the assignment was. The verifiable source states that he was reassigned to Church headquarters, whether or not it was merely a token gesture to allow him to pass away at home. That's all I was trying to say. I do apologize if it came out wrong or if I came across as trying to pass my inferences off as actual fact. That was never my intent.
It is amazing to me how the leading brethren of the Church always care so much about what the overseas brethren are experiencing, and that they can anticipate and make allowances for such circumstances as this. I admire that willingness on their part to reorganize that area presidency in more than enough time to allow Elder Porter to come home and spend his final days surrounded by family.
It's sad to realize that, just this year alone, the Church has lost two great actively serving General Authority Seventies. I will never forget the shock I felt to hear on the news of the cancer that would so quickly take Elder Per G. Malm from us. And as beloved as this first Swedish General Authority must have been, Elder Porter has been known and loved for a much longer time, even though he was slightly younger than Elder Malm.
I will anxiously await news of how and with whom the new Europe East Area Presidency was reorganized. You always seem to know about things like that, and that is another of the many things I have always respected about you for as long as I've known you here. I look forward to learning more about that in the not-too-distant future.
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but the main reason I have had far less time to tend to my regular Wikipedia viewing and editing of late is that I started a blog a while ago, and much of my computer time every day has been devoted to writing blog posts, and reading and responding to comments on these posts. My blog has mostly been about Church news in general and all temple-related developments in particular, but I have taken the opportunity to regularly intersperse these important news updates with news of the personal happenings in the lives of my wife and myself.
If you have time and any desire to check that out, I always welcome new readers of my work. Click here if you are interested in doing so. Thanks so much for explaining yourself, even though you never need to in regards to your conduct with me. Oddly enough, now that I am working again, I will likely have more time to devote to resuming my edit work here. Seems paradoxical, I know, but there it is. Thanks again. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 08:00, 30 December 2016 (UTC)
great editing Ninja247 ( talk) 20:11, 7 January 2017 (UTC) |
Hey christensenMJ, I wanted to thank you for your work on the Clark Gilbert and Henry J. Eyring articles and make sure that you understood why I kept putting 10 April back in as the transition date. I agree that the new organization doesn't become active until 1 May, but it definitely looks like Gilbert will be operating in-place prior to that date. Check my latest revision notes on Clark Gilbert and check out the sound recording of the press conference I mentioned, embedded at the bottom of the cited press release at http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/church-announces-byu%E2%80%93pathway-worldwide-a-global-higher-education-organization, especially at timestamp 06:25. Let me know if you still disagree with my assertion of April 10 as the transition date (from a biographical perspective I guess). Thanks again for all your awesome contributions! TheBertag ( talk) 22:10, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
Hello there~
I see that you reversed the edits made to Bruce Hafen's page. I wasn't finished adding all the inline citations back and the notes and publications.
Could you kindly restore the former edits so we can add the appropriate citations and notes, and publications, and you can revisit it then, to see if it's complete?
Thank you so much.
All of the data presented is sourced and accurate.
Kindly,
Karen fuschia3388 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fuschia3388 ( talk • contribs) 17:24, 20 March 2017 (UTC)
Hi, You wrote: "French Polynesia is not to France what Hawaii is to US. FP is a semi-autonomous, affiliated territory, Hawaii is an actual US state. Geographical proximity doesn't make same."
This is wrong, as you can read on French_Polynesia#Relations_with_mainland_France:
"Despite a local assembly and government, French Polynesia is not in a free association with France, like the Cook Islands with New Zealand. As a French overseas collectivity, the local government has no competence in justice, university education, security and defense. Services in these areas are directly provided and administered by the Government of France, including the National Gendarmerie (which also polices rural and border areas in European France), and French military forces. The collectivity government retains control over primary and secondary education, health, town planning, and the environment."
Basically, like Hawaii (or any other US state) in the US. More on List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_in_Oceania#Non-sovereign_territories.
Best, A455bcd9 ( talk) 22:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ. Thanks for your recent edits correcting problems with the changes I had made on several pages I recently edited. I did have a couple of questions about your edits to the page that discusses the geographical areas of the Church. First, how are we supposed to know that the Senior President of the Seventy only assists in the domestic areas of the Church? That has not been indicated or clarified by any resource I have available to me. I know that the Church announced several years ago that areas within the US and Canada would be supervised by those in the Presidency of the Seventy, but it was my understanding that the Senior President of those seven fills any assignment he is given by the 15 apostles senior to him, including (when called upon to do so), assisting in all 25 Church areas. If that is not the case, is there a source that indicates that?
Secondly, and slightly less important, I know that the Wikipedia template for the second Manila Philippines Temple does identify the temple as you linked to it on the area page. But in the way President Monson worded the announcement of that temple during the April General Conference, he specifically stated that this temple was going to be built in "greater Manila Philippines area". And it is only here on Wikipedia that this temple is referred to as you indicated. Every other source that I have found refers to it using either President Monson's wording or as the "Greater Manila Philippines Temple". Also, I have on good authority that an official name announcement for this temple is only a matter of time.
I wanted to bring all of this to your attention to get some clarification from you on these points. Thanks for all your great work. Hope you know how much I respect you for that. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 03:22, 6 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey, Brother Christensen,
Have you been through an official tour of the new Provo MTC buildings yet (well, I guess they're giving tours of the whole campus)? If not, then I hope you do not miss out. I'll be going soon. It goes through the 19th this month (08) for us regular Joes. And if they let us (unlike at temples), we should shoot plenty of video and photos. It'll be interesting to see how much it has changed inside since I was there in the system over 2 decades ago.
Have you been through their system, officially? Did you know that it's run by BYU-Utah? But does that make it part of BYU, then? Remember that the buildings are labeled as "M18," etc. ("m" for "missionary," someone of some prominence told me), meaning that they are included in BYU's system of building nomenclature? So even though I was thinking about this a while back, it's these new buildings that have triggered me into asking you this. Then, kind brother, as someone who seems to have had a lot of experience helping to construct and correct encyclopedia entries about our church (by "our," I mean that I assume you're part of the group of us), would you please do us the kind favor of adding all of the Provo MTC buildings to the list of Brigham Young University buildings?
Grateful to you if so, IP editor currently known as 97.117.38.233 ( talk) 05:06, 11 August 2017 (UTC).
Thanks, JG Stokes, for your reply here on MJ's page. How were you made aware that my request was here? Thank you too, MJ, for your reply. Okay, so if the MTC there is part of the BYU-Utah campus (I know, MJ, it's not BYU-Utah officially, but neither is it "BYU-Provo" officially; though "BYU-Utah" is a more accurate comparison against the other BYUs because the others are named by their states instead of their cities), then just by the merit that they sit on that ground and is maintained by them and has the "M___" buildings in their nomenclature, then regardless of who directs them ultimately why shouldn't they be listed as campus buildings because of these merits alone?
And MJ, have you been through the new tour yet?
And JG, have you?
Another Christensen: Mike, temporarily known by the IP address of 174.23.172.242 ( talk) 05:27, 13 August 2017 (UTC).
The rotating IP's are pretending to be nice, but they belong to
User:Stylized as "stylized" currently; formerly "stylizeD", just an FYI.
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I have noticed that their is a ongoing disagreement regarding the issue on Kate Kelly's member status with the Mormon church and multiple edits resulting from this even before I got involved and have requested assistance/moderation from Wikipedia in regards to the Kate Kelly and the appropriate interpretation in this case in hopes that this issue will get resolved. LXX3 ( talk) 14:26, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
I also noticed a reference and citation mentioning something to the extent that she no longer claims affiliation with any religion. I haven't had time to look up the citation so I am not sure if it is valid or not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LXX3 ( talk • contribs) 15:12, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
Hey, ChristensenMJ! Hope you are well, my friend! I wanted to stop by and thank you for helping to catch my unintentional errors (such as getting Tad R. Callister and Stephen W. Owen confused; long day) and for simplifying the edits I made as a result of the Church Board membership expanding. As I may have mentioned, as a young man, I spent a lot of time poring over old editions of the General Conference Ensigns. So I know that it was common for most of Spencer W. Kimball's tenure and perhaps part of the tenure of Ezra Taft Benson for the Church members to have a chance to sustain the Church Board of Education, which was then comprised of all First Presidency members, around half of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, a couple of members of the Presidency of the Seventy, the Presiding Bishop and the Relief Society General President. Since I have had to be reliant at least for the last 10 years I have been a Wikipedia editor on whatever board membership lists the Church has put out, I have been grateful to have had that list easier to find in the last 3-5 years or so. I was glad to hear that the Church was adding two members of the Quorum of the Twelve to the Board, has added Elder Gong (who, as I may have also mentioned, left me impressed after an interaction with him at the stake conference of my parents' ward), once again included the Presiding Bishop, and has extended membership to the Young Men General President along with retaining Elder Hallstrom, who by all reports has been instrumental in filling that assignment during his tenure in the Presidency of the Seventy. The Church has done some very impressive things relating to Church education, both in expanding the outreach of secondary education and getting a feel for the potential effectiveness of the wonderful new curriculum we will get to enjoy starting next year. I am sure that with these changes to the Board, the Church will continue to move forward and progress very well. Anyways, just wanted to post with my thanks. I appreciate you and hope you are well. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:05, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
Hello, ChristensenMJ! Hope you are well. I am posting this message on your talk page to request your feedback on two topics I just started on the talk page for the LDS General Authorities. I have felt if I can get some kind of consensus on these matters, it would be in the best interests of the page going forward. Thanks, as always, for all your great work. I look forward to your thoughts on these questions.
Hello. It would appear that the powers that be are at it again, trying to ensure the deletion of Ted E. Brewerton. I wanted to make sure you knew. Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk)
Hello. Hope you are well. While I applaud your good faith efforts to ensure accuracy regarding the current status of temples, I happen to know that the Asuncion Paraguay Temple is closed. As I may have mentioned earlier, I have joined the community of LDS bloggers, and my focus has been on current and future temple-related events. I also have contacts who have roles in sharing temple-related news. As such, I have categorically confirmed that the Asuncion Paraguay Temple has closed for renovation. When the original closure was announced, prior to updating their temple section, the Church's main website set October 29 as the closure date. That time has come and gone, and in the interim, the Church has updated their temple section, but there has been some information that has not yet been updated. Because of the contacts I have, I can state with absolute certainty that Asuncion is closed. I hope that my word on the subject is not problematic for you to accept. With how much time I have put into studying and reporting on such developments for my blog, I know what I'm talking about. Thanks for your ongoing efforts to ensure accuracy. I appreciate you! -- Jgstokes ( talk) 22:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for that clarification. Now that I understand more about where you were coming from, I apologize for any misunderstanding. Since posting my original response to you above, I have spent the better part of the last month and a half dealing with the cold/flu season which has hit the county in which I live with such ferocity. This necessitated my absence from Wikipedia from the time I posted my above comment until just a few days ago. I thank you for your kind reaction to my explanation, and want you to know that I respect your work as an editor to such a degree and extent that any concerns you express about my work will not offend me either. Keep up the great work. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 00:53, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, ChristensenMJ. Hope you are well. Just wanted to make you aware personally that I have cited a source here to verify my previous assertion (which you reverted) that the death of Thomas S. Monson left Russell M. Nelson as the acting Church president, per a statement from Harold B. Lee. Whether that is actually included or not in the article does not matter much to me, as we will know within the next 48 hours if, when, and how the First Presidency has been reorganized. Thanks for your continued diligence and ongoing attention to details on articles about the LDS Church. All the best. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 00:48, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for that response to my comment. It has been a rough year. I agree that, aside from this quote from Lee, we have not had much evidence supporting the notion that the death of the previous Church president leaves the next senior apostle as the acting Church president. AFAIK, no senior apostle has ever formally been presented to the Church as such. For that reason, I have no problem with the adjustments you made to the note. In just over 11 hours, we will know more about if, when, and how the First Presidency has been reconstituted (although it would very much surprise me to find that has not been the case), and any subsequent changes that may be needed can then be made. As always, thanks for your continued great work and kind responses to my messages here. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 05:22, 16 January 2018 (UTC)
I just wanted to drop a note to thank you for all the work you've done on LDS articles, especially lately with all the edits hitting because of the change of president. I appreciate how you keep Wikipedia a great source of information. Best, Bahooka ( talk) 17:27, 17 January 2018 (UTC)
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Would you mind taking a look at the recent additions by DeusImperator at God in Mormonism? As I've explained on the talk page, I don't think the sources actually support the added text, but I could use a third opinion in case I'm wrong. Thanks. -- FyzixFighter ( talk) 03:56, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
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Hello, ChristensenMJ. Hope you are well. I wanted to stop by and personally thank you for your continued diligence in fine-tuning content I have attempted to add. As time, circumstances, and my health have allowed me to do so, I have been working on the subpage for this year's General Authority assignment changes. It is going relatively smoothly, with one exception. I am sure that you have seen by now that I have changed the names of the two columns of the general authority seventies table to "Assignments" and "Field of labor". For those that have one assignment (which has applied to the first two GA Seventies on the list), that change has not been a problem. But for those with multiple assignments (such as Wilford W. Andersen}, there is an issue with the alignment of multiple assignments. The easiest way to get around that issue (in my opinion) would be to split each of the two relevant cells each in half, but every attempt I have made to do so has resulted in failure. I had requested your input (via the list of general authorities talk page) on how to get around this issue, but did not hear back (AFAIK). So I thought I would reach out to you about this directly. Do you know how I can get around this issue? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 02:30, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Hey, ChristensenMJ. I apologize that it took me until today to see and reply to your comment on my query. I have had a few more health issues to deal with in the two weeks since I asked for your input. I am well enough, just needed to take a step back to deal with things. In terms of your suggestion, I am aware of the command you mentioned above (hope you don't mind my putting it in quotes; leaving it as is just introduced an unnecessary space in your reply), but ran into a real problem with making sure the assignments aligned. In answer to your question, I had been busy enough working on the problems I mentioned with Andersen's listing that I had not gotten any further than his name. I began alphabetically, so I only was able to do Aidukaitis and Alonso in the new format before I ran into the problems with Andersen, and didn't get far resolving those issues, so I am still in the very preliminary stages. I also wanted to clarify this for you: I intend for the first column to list the positions each GA Seventy holds (for example: President or Executive Director) and for the second column to identify the area, mission, department, etc. within which such service is rendered (which for Aidukaitis would be the Brazil Area, and for, say, Larry Y. Wilson, would be Temple Department). I know it gets a bit confusing since I am still in the preliminary stages of that process. Since I asked for your input on my question, I think I may have found a potential solution, which I will be trying shortly. And your point is well taken. I should make it simpler for others to read. I will get right on that. In the meantime, I will attempt my solution, and if it doesn't work, I will again ask for your feedback and (possibly) your assistance. Thanks, and sorry again about the delay in getting back to you and the confusion I unintentionally caused. Hope you are well. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 06:37, 9 June 2018 (UTC)
Hello again. After taking the last couple of weeks to deal with additional health issues (it has been quite a year for those problems), I just wanted to follow up and let you know that I tried a couple of different solutions for the problems I referenced here. I tried the break command, but that presented problems when the different assignments in the two columns did not align at all. It got to be a bit too messy. So instead of splitting the existing two columns, I eliminated one of the two columns, and now have the assignments and the relevant assignment areas in a single column. If there is any other way to make it more neat with two columns, I am not sure what that would be. I would be satisfied with the current layout if it works for you. Also, I wanted to mention that I have taken a few opportunities to scan the general authority bios on the Church website, and as far as I can tell, there is not any new information. And a final thought I had is that, with the hymnbook and children's songbook being redone, the Church quoted several leaders about that process, and particularly identified several individuals who are assigned to that project. Should those assignments be listed on the original GA page and the subpage for the August 2018 assignments? Thanks. -- Jgstokes ( talk) 23:47, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
Where did that come from? Billionaires' children are commonly listed in their wikipedia pages. Although these billionaire children have been more or less mentioned in news, most of them are not notable. And so are the Huntsman children. So I'm baffled by your weird obsession with not listing the Huntsman children. Slovebz ( talk) 09:40, 7 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello, the text I added to the intro was from the article. Virtuus ( talk) 07:05, 2 September 2018 (UTC)
Would you be willing to help me with the citation on the Concepcion Chile Temple? I am trying to cite a source and it is giving me an error. I just don't know enough about updating a template to get it right. Thanks! - Glennfcowan ( talk) 17:40, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
I see you reverted my edit. So I wanted to come here to discuss. So your claim is if an article has been deleted, that it should not be linked at all? Why then do we still link:
And the following are at AFD now, are we going to remove them too?
Also what about the 9 more that are just redirects to mere mentions of the people in the List of general authorities of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints list? Are we removing them too? Does that not then defeat the purpose of the template? -- Amanda (aka DQ) 02:06, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
Why do you keep deleting my edit to this page? He received his second anointing in Frankfurt in 2003, how is that not pertinent information that should be in his Wikipedia page? Deroque49 ( talk) 14:10, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
Why would you leave the sentence about Tom Phillips claiming to receive the second anointing (the only source for this information being his Mormon Stories Podcast interview), but then take out the sentence about Hans Mattson (the only source also being his Mormon Stories Podcast interview)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deroque49 ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
I just added (or rather re-added) the Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple article now that the dedication has been scheduled. I know you like to edit temple articles and figured you would like to know that this article has been added. Do you mind taking a look to see if you can add anything? Glennfcowan ( talk) 20:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
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I saw the Style Guide but it is at variance with the Style Guide on lds.org:
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I would like to appeal your decision. Thomas.merrill ( talk) 00:05, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
ChristensenMJ, I see you undid my revision as well, which merely attempted to lessen the impact of the hatred and bigotry endorsed by Wikipedia. Thomas.merrill said it quite well. It is very good to know that Wikipedia is both committed to the suppression of truth and complicit in the murder of its champions. TheOtter ( talk) 20:25, 7 February 2021 (UTC)
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You may be interested to know that Kinshasa Democratic Republic of the Congo Temple is up for deletion review. You made a few changes after I re-created the page. It is my fault partially that the article is in a deletion review since I dragged my feet on adding 3rd party sources after someone tagged the article. I have added a few new sources and a new paragraph, but if you have anything to add, I would appreciate it. Glennfcowan ( talk) 04:44, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
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I have recreated the graph of temples over time that is on the main temple list page. It was last updated in 2010, so it definitely needed. I will hang on to the data so it can be updated easier in the future. Do you mind leaving feedback on the chart? It is here. I am good with charts and data, but not with design, so any comments would be helpful. Feel free to invite anyone else you think would like to comment. Thanks! Glennfcowan ( talk) 02:46, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
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I am trying to sort out why revisions done to Dr. Strobels page are continually removed? The information entered is factually correct, the formatting is also allowed. thank you in advance. DraghiKW ( talk) 19:35, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
I don't know if it as correct or not, but policy is clear, "Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source.". Thanks. Doug Weller talk 11:24, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for all your edits on the various Church wiki pages. I really appreciate your help. Quick question, do you have a reference or anything where they use CHD as a shortened name for the Church History Department? I have not seen that used before. Fullrabb ( talk) 13:06, 7 August 2019 (UTC)Fullrabb
The Denver Temple wiki is completely uncited. It also contains the claim that the LDS church agreed not to light the temple up at night out of respect for the community. Again, without a citation. I live next to the temple and walk by it every night. It is light up all night, every night. I have re-added a line reflecting this fact with a citation to a picture showing the temple lit up at night. I will continue to add in this line every time it is removed.
Redwagon76 ( talk) 14:15, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I added a photo showing the temple lit up at night as a source and you removed it. The claim on the Denver Temple wiki is completely false. If you add a citation showing that the temple is not lit up at night, I will stop editing the article to remove or address this fact.
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Can you go through missions and make sure they all appear once as wheñ i did they appeared twice when i edited it Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
I want you to check if any changes need made to mission list of the church of jesus christ of latter day saints as the limatambo area of peru is marked red and a couple of others with merged missions are marked black Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:25, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Can you go through and fully check and update if neccesary the missions list including limatambo peru so its name goes blue like every other mission expect central Dgmitchell91 ( talk) 22:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Could you take a look and see if you can improve on the Ensign Peak Advisors article. Fullrabb ( talk) 02:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
I cannot tell if you support my contributions or find them annoying. I appreciate your edits of my work. My primary goal is to provide more references and higher quality references for articles and remove some of the chaff. Let me know what think. Fullrabb ( talk) 20:41, 18 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
Thanks for the feedback. I'm just trying to help. My focus has been adding sources to many of the Church-related articles (as well as some clean-up). I appreciate all of your hard work. I can see it far and wide. Keep up the good work! Fullrabb ( talk) 01:23, 27 February 2020 (UTC)Fullrabb
I see that you reversed previous revisions on the choir article in relation to the new logo. I have tried to upload an acceptable non-free use logo in Wikipedia and add it to the infobox with reasonable size and formatting. I also tried to mark the logo uploaded to Commons for speedy deletion as it should not be there. It has been a few years since I regularly contributed or dealt with logos, so hopefully my rationale statements, etc... are of sufficient quality. I would appreciate any feedback. Thanks! — GreenwoodKL ( t, c) 05:42, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
The age listed for Ciro Schmeil is wrong. I had changed it to the correct age, using his correct birthday, which is April 16, 1971. Here is my source: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/elder-ciro-schmeil}} AlVic4011756O ( talk) 04:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for the good citation on your removal of my edit. I had not seen the MOS:LDS page. I appreciate that. Also, I haven’t been an editor for too long here, could I ask, when you said “good faith edits, but ok per...” what did “good faith edits” refer to? Was it an expression of good will to say that you understood that my edits were good faith, or to express that your removal was intended in good faith? Is that a common inclusion when removing or altering other editor’s edits? Thanks for helping me get familiar! Jas DB ( talk) 20:46, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Great! Thanks so much. Also, do you happen to have any idea where I could find information about deleting a discussion from my own talk page if that’s possible? I accidentally sent myself one not knowing it would stay there and it just looks a little silly, haha. Thanks again for your help! Jas DB ( talk) 21:01, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks so much! Showin me around is totally not your job, but I appreciate you taking the time! Jas DB ( talk) 21:11, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
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Hi, I noticed you removed my edit to the Lectures on Faith page. May I ask why? Two persons in the Godhead is by definition Binitarian right? I would appreciate your thoughts, thank you. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 20:21, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for getting back to me. I understand that mainstream Latter Day Saints don't see it that way and will interpret the LoF differently, but for example other denominations such as the Cutlerites will see God in a Binitarian/Bitheist sense see here:
https://web.archive.org/web/20050206122610/http://www.cutlerite.org/trinity.htm
And they retain the LoF in their canon. Lecture 5 sounds strongly Binitarian to me, I know that is subjective in this context but then again aren't "trinity" verses in the Bible the same way? In that Trinitarians will see it as trinitarian and nontrinitarians will not.. Also, a honorable mention of the Bickertonites, they are Binitarian even though they don't have LoF in their canon. They are heavily influenced by Sydney Rigdon, who was said to have written or heavily influenced the LoF, this is referenced on the LoF article btw. Anyway, thanks again for your time and apologies if I'm being tangential. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 22:57, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
That is a great idea. I feel silly for not doing it initially haha. Thanks for the suggestion, I will get to it soon.. 69.120.203.105 ( talk) 15:59, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for helping with vandalism to the Ravi Zacharias page. Proxima Centauri ( talk) 10:49, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
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They are just as excluding used this way. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
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Why you reverted my changes? Its 17th september 2023... Joaosilva2000 ( talk) 11:07, 17 September 2023 (UTC)
Hi, I saw your most recent update on the St. George Temple page, I appreciate your grammatical fixes and general updates there. I believe your most recent edit was in good faith, to remove the header “access,” but I want to keep it there due to what I see from the Laie Hawaii Temple Page (which is listed as a good article). Despite the Laie Temple not being accessible to the public, it still contains information about who can get in (members of the church), through a section called “Admittance,” along with details of the visitors center. I am curious, and in as gentle a way as possible, I would like to better understand why you felt it was necessary to omit the information. And in the interest of improving the article, I want to see if we could bring back or reformat information about access. Itsetsyoufree32 ( talk) 21:11, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
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Thanks for all the work on the temple pages that you help to work on! Your grammar edits help out a lot. :) Itsetsyoufree32 ( talk) 04:13, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
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