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Please help me with... BLP page for Kenneth C Macdonald just accepted and is live. But, it is not appearing in WP Search box. Why? What needs to be done?
-- BrucePL ( talk) 20:04, 24 January 2018 (UTC) BrucePL ( talk) 20:04, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes ( talk) 20:26, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
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Bruce - I really mean to imply you should put the {{
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in the
Mount Luyendyk article - not in the one about you!
If you have a try at the sandbox, I'll pop back in half an hour to check. It's getting late here, so won't have much longer online. If you haven't managed it by then, I'll create on for you. Nick Moyes ( talk) 23:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
You posted me a question on the talk page of the article, Bruce P. Luyendyk. As we're liable to have long discussoins as adopter/adoptee, I suggest carrying them out off article space. You asked: For the SDSU Distinguished Alumni award the Geological Sciences Dept. doesn't list the awardees. I have the trophy though with my name on it. I could figure out a way to put it on my web page and then add a link to the photo as a citation.
For the Antarctic Service Medal, the USAP website doesn't list holders. Again, I have the medal and could put a photo of it online. (BTW the WP page lists holders of the medal and they don't have citations to back up the claims). What do you think? Bruce BrucePL (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest the content of the section on Drilling into Deep Ocean Floor should not say any more than the fact that you led those two expeditions. I would recommend moving the rest of the content into the article on that topic. Remmber - this is an encyclopaedia article about a person, not the detailed results of what they did. (not to undermine you in any way - I'm in awe of your knowledge and achievements - my climbing/hill-walking partner who is real 'summit-bagger' was pretty impressed when I said I was assisting somone who'd had a mountain named after them.) Oh - and when you do move it over, I think you've used the wrong reference for Leg 49. I would advise only saying the following in the BPL article: Drilling into Deep Ocean Floor — Luyendyk led two expeditions of the Deep Sea Drilling Project. Principle discoveries included a basin-wide unconformity of Oligocene age that was likely related to initiation of ice sheets in Antarctica.[ref] (then we add a link at the top of that section referring to 'see main article'. You can learn how to do that by looking at the example for the Moon which has lots of 'see main article' links in it.
Forgive me if I do ask you to break the habit of a lifetime and steer away from crediting co-workers everywhere. Whilst normally highly commendable, it bloats out the page a bit too much in my view. Credits can always be found within the citations given, or "he and co-workers found..." could be used. And couldn't one of your references use 'et al.' instead of listing everyone? And unless named people are likely to be notable in their own right, I advise just leaving out sentences like this: Graduate students key to this research include Marc Kamerling, Richard Terres, James Carter and Scott Hornafius - they're named in the citation, and that's all we need. That said, it is essential not to over-estimate and one person's contribiutions either.
I spotted a couple of missing wikilinks that could go in. One to Fosdick Mountains would allow you to reduce that section a bit; whilst a link to climate model would assist general users to know what that means. Anything you can move out into into other articles that you can link to would make the BPL page more succinct - your own achievements and contributions to science clearer, and also more in the style of Wikipedia. (I'm sure you don't like me suggesting this!)
That should keep you going for now, I'm guessing? I also suggest that you work through our discussions on the
Ross Embayment and start to clean out the bits of conversation that have been done. Pretty soon it ought to be ready to be moved into mainspace. If you wish you can always indicate a paragraph[ah that you've dealt with using this template: {{
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This renders as Done. Hoping this all helps and that I'm not driving you mad. Regards
Nick Moyes (
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21:57, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bruce. Just thought I'd drop by to say I've created a new article that manages to incorporate the RRS James Clark Ross, a plankton species discovered in the South Atlantic (probably the nearest I'll get, but hey ho) and one of our greatest living naturalists! Trust you're well - let me know if you need anything. Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 21:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I would also look to see if they had any species named after them, or had been the describing author of any species that they had discovered, too. Is this what you were hoping for, and does it give you any encouragement? Best wishes, Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Would like your opinion on my suggested move of the half-space section from Seafloor spreading/Sea floor global topography: half-space model, to MOR/Morphology. As you see the half-space treatment goes deep into the weeds. I am thinking that the half-space section belongs on MOR but maybe as a Note and not in the main text. This is because I think the flow of reading is interrupted by some dense math. Better to have it appear at the end in some fashion. The author of the half-space edit is okay with a move of it to MOR but has not responded to my idea of moving to a Note. What do you think? BrucePL ( talk) 00:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Happy New Year! Holidays have been crazy busy but I worked on the issues you raised and also added a section on Impacts of the cooling models. I hope you have a chance to look at it. I see you marked this sandbox page as reviewed and I'm not sure what that means. Best wishes. BrucePL ( talk) 23:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
{{
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templates to show how its possible to hide complex content...which I think might help here. How would you feel about that? All Wikipedia pages have to be on notable topics and have logical titles that someone might reasonably search for. Have you got a proposed title in mind? Following from the suggestions I made earlier, I'd wondered about
Timeline of seafloor spreading models? It's important that pages are encyclopaedic and about notable topics which are clearly identifiable by their titles and are not too technically-written, and simply summarised with a concise lead. Nor should they make assumptions, but provide summary information of important topics and ideas. I still feel that this particular UK-based idiot needs a slightly more clearly-worded 'idiots guide' - but I do think you're on the right track here. BTW: I found this sentence confusing: This results in global (eustatic) sea level rise (fall) because...
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Moved the page from my sandbox to article space. Explained what I'm doing on its talk page. BrucePL ( talk) 20:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi again Nick. I'm gathering data for a page on a young, rising star in ocean sciences for a BLP. Should I draft it in my sandbox or in Draft Article space like I did for Macdonald? Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 00:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been absent from WP these past couple of weeks dealing with my book items ( http://bruceluyendyk.com) and preparing for a lecture I will give at UC San Diego. I expect to be back in the saddle to deal with MOR and BLP mid-May. Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 17:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bruce. How's it going? I thought I ought to let you know I'm not going to be around a lot over the next 8 weeks or so. I'm off in a week or so's time to Switzerland to climb this summit. (Got stormed in and had to get helicoptered off when we last tried it some 18 years ago!) Am very busy with house renovation and other work this summer, so I just wanted to warn you I might not be too responsive. If you've any issues you might need help on, the next few days are probably best for me. Looking at your draft on Tessa M. Hill (and realising it's early days) I'd suggest you shorten the lead and add in the CAS Fellowship - try cutting out the two sentences starting 'Hill's research includes...to...K-12 education.' Do be careful not to try to expand too much on the detail of her work, such that it becomes almost another topic. I'd suggest either being more succinct about her work, or only expand it if you can show that her work is especially notable. I'd leave out items like her PhD supervisor unless they're especially notable, as well. That tends to make editors more liable to view it as a LinkedIn curriculum, rather than a succinct summary of a noteworthy person. Hope this helps a bit, Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 01:37, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:. Hi Nick; I'm back. Did a lot of work on Transverse Ranges and now on the BLP for Tessa Hill /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Tessa_M._Hill. Can you look at this BLP and give me feedback? I did a copyvio and came up with one for a blocked quote (PECASE). Not unexpected of course. The other content didn't flag anything if I've interpreted the scan correctly. How can I save this page to a file? Just in case it gets deleted or trashed. BrucePL ( talk) 23:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Working on another BLP for a women geoscientist. The draft text I received from a colleague suggests the use of hashtags to highlight her activism. Are these allowed? How formatted? BrucePL ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I want to add categories to the Sumner sandbox page. I didn't find a template but I see how it is done in source editing. Where do I find a master list of categories? Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 18:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
[[:Category:American geophysicists]]
produces this hyperlink (
Category:American geophysicists) on this talk page, whilst the page doesn't appear in the category list itself. (at least I hope it doesn't!)References
Well, I would expect full author initials in a scientific works, but not here, unless they're known in that way in common parlance, e.g. J.K.Rowling or George W. Bush. See WP:COMMONNAME for guidance on this, confirming we should base article names on how independent sources refer to them (i.e. all the newspaper articles you've cited), not how the subject wishes to be known. Sorry if I misled you on the '2nd paragraph' stuff. I actually meant to refer to the 'sexual harassment in science' section, where the paragraph starting Sumner is an active scientist on social media, ... could do with a supporting citation. But do feel free now to move it into mainspace. Then you can add categories to it, though I might need you to explain what help you're seeking by your final question - I didn't quite understand what you meant. Nick Moyes ( talk) 22:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: I am not certain how to use Categories. If I'm in VE I see a template but not sure how to use it. I'll poke around until I hear from you tomorrow or after. Thanks, Nick. BrucePL ( talk) 23:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Can you look at the edits Ozzie10aaaa made to Dawn Sumner? He/she cut out Selected works, outreach, external links. Is this user a high-rank admin? I don't know how to react. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 19:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in replying, Bruce. I'm going to work through the seven edits in reverse order and make observations on them here first.
"Lists of published works should be included for authors, illustrators, photographers and other artists. The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles. Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship (WP:V), are encouraged, particularly when such lists are not already freely available on the internet."Personally, I don't think MOS has considered that some academics have authored hundreds of papers, so a 'selected list' is far more appropriate than a complete list, as you've attempted here.
I've run out of time to comment further today. Can I leave it with you to consider? I am happy to discuss and to insert the agreed versions myself, as a way of demonstrating consensus and input from another editor. I've not pinged the other editor in at this stage, simply because this thread as part of the adoption/mentoring process is rather long for them to expect them to read it. So any discussion over what consensus needs to be reached can be moved to the talk page of her article. How does all this sound? (Am now back to the house renovation work for the next couple of days, then shall then be off for the week, dropping in en route to see how my daughter is getting on in her first term at University).
One bit of Wikipedia guidance I could leave you to explore is Edit Warring - which we aren't straying into at all here, but which you should be aware of. Bold, revert, discuss is the way to solve issues. Basically, if you and I continually disagree on something, we can't be allowed to get away with continually adding/reverting/re-adding/re-reverting ad infinitum. This is called edit warring, is disruptive, and could get us both blocked. Having reverted another persons edit (with a good edit summary, at all times!) editors aren't then expected to repeat those action, but instead to go to one talk page or another and discuss their concerns and to reach an agreed consensus. Should such consensus not be reachable, there are ways to take the issue to discussion noticeboards for non-involved editors to arbitrate on. Cheers for now. Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC) Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
please go ahead, the reason I edited some of the text though this individual has accomplished alot is that it starts looking somewhat 'promo', however use judgement and re-add what you believe is best,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 17:52, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I did a serious work-over on this article. I think, a big improvement. CAn look at it and comment? I decided to leave in some legacy text even though I'd prefer to take it all out. Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 21:46, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:. Hi Nick. I drafted a new article and hope you can take a look at it. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/RISE_project
Hope all is well! -- BrucePL ( talk) 17:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Made changes you suggested. Please take a look. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 22:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
{{
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template to add depths and areas in both metric and imperial? It's a good idea to use this, and there are options for expanding or contracting the stated units of measurement to suit the article. I was confused what (CYAMEX) was relating to - clearly not the Gulf of Mexico. Is this important? If so, maybe some clarification is needed.@ Nick Moyes:: Hi Nick. Made changes you suggested. Please take a look. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 15:01, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Marine geologists were puzzled for years by heat flow data from the seafloor that showed the measured values at spreading centers were too low for theoretical models of seafloor spreading.[14] The convective crustal heat transfer computed from the vent plumes was estimated to be many-fold the observed normal conductive heat flow at a spreading center.[15] These observations provided an answer to the low heat flow problem.
Does this mean that, whilst the modelling predicted high temperature measurements of the seafloor at spreading centres, the actual temperature measurements were lower because the heat that would have been expected to be in the seafloor was actually escaping from somewhere else - namely via the hydrothermal vents into the seawater, rather than through conduction through the seabed? I've had to read and re-read that bit quite a few times to conclude that's what the 'low heat flow problem' was. Any chance of making that a little bit clearer? So, if you want to think about moving it into mainspace, that;d be fine now. I recommend adding the RISE project to your
WP:COI declaration - especially as it's going to go forward for a DYK slot.
Did You Know: .. that black smoker hydrothermal vents were first discovered on the East Pacific Rise at 2600 meters 40 years ago by the submersible ALVIN during the RISE Project?
… that during the RISE Project the deep-sea submersible ALVIN discovered a series of hydrothermal vents on the East Pacific Rise emitting dark mineral particles at extremely high temperatures which gave rise to the popular name, “ black smokers”?
Source 1: F. N. Spiess et al., Hot Springs and geophysical experiments on the East Pacific Rise. Science, 207: 1421-1444, 1980. BrucePL ( talk) 19:05, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
{{
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template would be used for this. You must decide whether the article needs a capital 'P' or stick with a lower case one. Let me know if you need any help with these actions. Best wishes,
Nick Moyes (
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06:25, 15 May 2019 (UTC){{
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template is that it needs to go on both articles, not just one of them. I've fixed that too. I look forward to seeing the DYK nomination template. Just shout if you need any input from me. Cheers,
Nick Moyes (
talk)
22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)@ Nick Moyes: Well Nick, I stumbled through DYK and think I did it. Take a look: /info/en/?search=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/RISE_project_(oceanography) ; /info/en/?search=Talk:RISE_project_(oceanography); /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created%2Fexpanded_on_May_15 ; I'll stay tuned. BrucePL ( talk) 21:36, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:: Nick. Maybe you missed my update. Can you check my DYK nomination? No comments or reviews yet? BrucePL ( talk) 16:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
BrucePL ( talk) 19:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes - 3 steps: #1 It gets a final check and quickly moved to DYK Nominations approved; #2 it waits (and waits) for scheduling into a particular DYK Queue; it gets automatically moved to the Main page for its moment of glory. BTW: do you know how to check an article's page views? Nick Moyes ( talk) 21:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. That entire black smokers paragraph is wrong on the ALVIN page. I'm sure Ballard didn't write it. Can I get away with a full replacement? Also, some facts on Ballard's page concerning vents and ALVIN need fixing. His page has an edit warning. (PS: I do know how to check page views). BrucePL ( talk) 00:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
finalizing a draft of this article. BrucePL ( talk) 20:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC) /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Project_FAMOUS BrucePL ( talk) 20:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
not the name of the Project itself, are clearly demonstrated. I do have a small backlog of detailed replies I need to sit down and give to other people when I'm in front of PC, not a mobile phone, but I will reply asap. Nick Moyes ( talk) 08:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Snowdon Park looks gorgeous! Hope the weather was fine. Hoping to see a critique for FAMOUS from you soon (no pressure!). Want to move on to a few articles stacking up now. BrucePL ( talk) 17:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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template to add a specific page number after a reference, like this.REF: 123 I don't know if you are also aware that there is actually no requirement to have any references in the lead paragraph at all, provided that everything is subsequently expanded upon and properly cited later on, although sometimes I do like to leave one or two key ones in there for extra clarity myself. I can have a go at the methodology and results sections if you wish, though you're free to ignore my edits if you prefer. Only thing is, I can't promise to do it immediately. Let me know what you think. Cheers,
Nick Moyes (
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01:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. For my next effort, I want to revise and update Mid-ocean ridge article. My colleague Ken Macdonald read through it and made comments below. He's an expert having written three review papers on MORs. Some of the changes he calls for are substantial. Not quite a rewrite but close. I'm hesitant to go too far fearing my effort will get flagged as harassment or vandalism. How do comments below strike you?
"Bruce, . . .
I am reading through the MOR entry and have a few comments as I go- The intro paragraph gives the impression that all MORs have rift valleys. I avoid this in the first paragraph of my intro for my encyclopedia article (eos) by getting to spreading rates right away- rift valley for slow, etc... Fig 1 is a disaster. It promulgates the misinterpretation that the crust is thickest near the axis, ie, that the elevation of the MOR is that of a constructional volcano rather than being caused by hot mantle, ie, thermal expansion. The crust should be shown thinnest at the axis.
Volcanism section: Fig 2 which is a movie is more accurate than fig 1. perhaps the easiest correction is to delete Fig 1 "continuing volcanism" should be "active" volcanism, continuing can be confused with continuous, which would be wrong. This whole section kind of restates an introduction in several different ways; total rewrite needed. Start out with the fact that Mors are spreading centers with a range of rates~ 1-20cm/yr. and go from there. It will save some repetition that happens later.
Morphology section Some ok stuff here, but it would be clearer to start out with the cross-sectional view of the ridge which gets into the whole deepening of seafloor as square root of age ( and thickening of lithosphere). And then transition to an along strike perspective introducing transform faults, the undulation of axial depth of several hundred meters, and non-rigid offsets such as OSCs, with the deepest points being at ridge-axis discontinuities (transforms, oscs, etc) You want to address magma supply from the upper mantle, more magma near mid-segment, less near major discontinuities.
Formation processes section Slab pull is thought to be the primary force I thought, from the Forsyth and Uyeda work, summarized well in Searle's book. And the slab pull would exert on the entire plate not just as it nears the trench. Whoever wrote this original text forgot what a plate is! The second paragraph goes after driving mechanisms a bit more, and not well. Perhaps this should be omitted since driving mechanisms are really more relevant to a plate tectonics entry than this MOR entry. This avoids the awkward assertion that the MAR must be driven by push or by friction since it has little in the way of subduction zones. Elsasser explained this elegantly as driven by slab pull via subduction zone suction. 3rd paragraph finally gets to spreading rates, much smoother to get to this at the start of the entry, it sets the stage. Then goes to ANOTHER explanation of crustal formation, a bit more confused version of the first one.
Global system section This global scale perspective would be so much better placed at the very beginning, combined with spreading rates. Sealevel changes as a result of spreading rate changes seems a bit out of place here. Also I think it may not be correct.
Seawater chem section bloody awful! and I don't think it is really essential to this MOR entry. Just a cross-reference here to hydrothermal activity, black smokers, etc.
impact section finally a reference to "seafloor spreading" near the end of the entry, OMG!"
Your thoughts? Thanks
BrucePL (
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21:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I started my edits in my Sandbox. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/MOR_edits I revised the lead. Please take a look. It's a bit long but covers the bases almost. Left out mention of the age-depth relation covered later in the article. BrucePL ( talk) 16:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC) Also replaced first figure with one I enhanced from the Commons. @ Nick Moyes: I think I pinged you incorrectly. BrucePL ( talk) 01:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. An edit I made on Mid-ocean ridge was reverted by Vsmith, a senior admin. Do I have recourse? BrucePL ( talk) 17:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
of improving geological articles. So I suspect you both have a great opportunity to engage and work together on this topic.
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. I had a dialog with User Vsmith and he won't budge; see his talk page. I'm a bit put off by his stance. The content in the entry at best doesn't belong on the MOR page or is wrong at worst. Could this go to arbitration? BrucePL ( talk) 22:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've done a lot of work on this page assisted by Kem Macdonald. It's much improved I think. I need advice and help on one issue. The following statement has no citation and I've hunted the internet and literature trying to find where it might come from with no luck: "It is estimated that 20 volcanic eruptions occur each year along earth's mid-ocean ridges and that every year 2.5 km2 (0.97 sq mi) of new seafloor is formed by this process. With a crustal thickness of 1 to 2 km (0.62 to 1.24 mi), this amounts to about 4 km3 (0.96 cu mi) of new ocean crust formed every year.[citation needed]". Ken and I think the facts are wrong but without checking a source we can't be sure. Is there a way to find out which editor wrote this and when? I skimmed through "View Hisotry" not really knowing what to look for. Any help with this? BrucePL ( talk) 21:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
On 26 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article RISE project, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1979, the RISE project first discovered hydrothermal vents known as 'black smokers', on a mid-ocean ridge in the Pacific Ocean? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, RISE project), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru ( talk) 00:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been working on a BLP for her. She's a young woman oceanographer who is headed to great things after done a lot so far. Please take a look when you can. A few items may need citations but I'm digging into these. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Amelia_Shevenell. Cheers; BrucePL ( talk) 17:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've cleaned up missing info and should be ready for article space. Can you take a look? Thanks. Bruce BrucePL ( talk) 18:29, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Bruce. I suspect you aren't around right now, but if you are and if have a free moment, I wonder if you could cast your eye over the article on Coropuna - about a Peruvian volcano?
It's nearing the end of a Featured Article review process, and I got involved at the last minute. I've really just been doing a bit of copyediting and tweaking to make it read more easily. There's a lot of geology in it, and neither the editor who's been working on it ( User:Jo-Jo Eumerus) nor I are experts in that field.
At this stage it only needs a quick read-through for glaring technical errors, as there is a real risk that, having been up for review for quite a while now, the application could soon get shelved, and not go through. It really is nearly 'there'. So any feedback you might offer right now could be helpful - but don't "bust a gut" if you're busy or don't have the time. Rather than complicate things by asking you to leave feedback at the review page (at WP:Featured article candidates/Coropuna/archive1 where most of the review discussions are held), feel free to make direct edits to the article or leave comments here on your talk page, and we'll monitor it.
If things had worked out I'd have been on my way up Mount Toubkal either today or tomorrow so, as you can imagine, I'm pretty nissed off to still be here in the UK, sitting at a computer instead. Trusting you're in better health then me right now! Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 11:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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template to the top of the page, then remove it when you're done. Another way, when you get an edit conflict notice, is to look at the other person's edit, see if they've made just one or two minor changes, and, if so, overwrite it with your longer version. You then need to go back and add in the other person's edit again, of course. I'm not sure what the normal edit conflict display shows, as I have enabled a beta version of "two column edit conflict" in my Preferences. You can try it
here. I often opt for the easy way out by simply copying my edited text shown in the conflict display, then posting it in to the newer version of the article (assuming the other person wasn't editing the same paragraph(s), of course. Another way is to make lots of little edits and save (publish) after each one. I don't normally do that, though in this article that was precisely what I did. But its purpose was not to avoid edit conflicts, but to spell out clearly the purpose of every single edit I made to that Jo-Jo or any other reviewer looking at this Featured Article nomination could assess the validity of each of my changes. Thanks, once again, for your input. Best wishes,
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The article is tight.means. But no, I don't work for INGEMMET. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 19:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick;
I hope you and yours are well. Our family is self-isolating and doing okay.
I have a question about citing articles where the citation leads to the publisher's page with the article - not behind a paywall. A colleague provided me with an article and its citation saying that the publisher doesn't want the article to be put on the web. But the doi leads to the article and a no-cost download option.
Is there a communication problem here? It seems to me if the article is free then what is the meaning of "don't put it on the web?" I would assume it means, as with WP, don't use the content on the web?
Still chipping away at various articles but no major efforts lately as I've concentrated on nonfiction writing. BrucePL ( talk) 20:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Hello Bruce. Funnily enough I took a look at your user contributions today to see whether you'd been editing recently, and was pleased to see that you had. So was going to drop by to say 'Hi', but you beat me to it. Like you, we are also in lockdown, and feeling a little bit exposed by the virus. My wife works in our health service, so she recognises she has the potential for bringing Covid home, but we're not doing the full self-isolation thing, though our neighbours are. My daughter has just sat her 2nd year Uni exams in her bedroom here, and has no idea when she can go back to real studies. Tensions have risen a bit, but it's lovely to have her and her sister both here. Recently, we all had a front garden 'Street Party' in our road to celebrate VE Day - a most esoteric experience, with Vera Lynn being blasted out down the street, and each family in their own personal space, with flags, buntings and cakes. I even dug out a World War II Union Jack that my father had brought home after serving in the Navy, and hung that on our house. (Normally I'm rather appalled by anyone hanging a UK flag on their property!)
Your question about the published paper is very odd. I agree with you: I think the person meant to imply that it would not be ok to see the full text repeated on another website, including Wikipedia. Of course, that couldn't ever happen here, though using the doi to link to it surely can't be an issue. Why publish something and then say 'don't look at it'?
Somewhat linked to that theme: I've recently started getting emails from Academia.edu, linking to geological papers related to your area of research. One or two have been full papers ( like this one), and I've even found some citations on Wikipedia have only been to abstracts, so I've added the link. I wasn't aware that Academia.edu was a predatory publisher. Do you have any idea why past papers suddenly appear online on sites like this, years after they were first published? I assume I'm getting the emails simply because I've shown interest in downloading related papers. Keep safe! Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Having a problem with reusing citations. In the above page refs 1 and 2 are first cited in the Infobox. And they appear in the References section. However, when I try to Reuse them they don't appear in the eligible list. If I cite them again in the text they appear as new references -duplicates. It appears that the Infobox citations cannot be reused. What is the fix? Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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template. Check out
WP:EASYREFBEGIN and let me know if you're still stuck. I'll then get on a proper PC and explain things in more detail.
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Ok Bruce. Will do. I don’t use FB a huge amount, but happy to fix that. Nick Nick Moyes ( talk) 16:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've searched and cannot find the steps to create a backup for an article. The issue would be if someone moved an article from the Sandbox to the main space and it was deleted by another editor, where is the original? If I recall my experience it is gone when deleted. I searched help pages and could not find a procedure. Thanks, BrucePL ( talk) 17:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been absent for a few months working on writing and dealing with the pandemic. I hope you and your family are doing well. I started a new BLP in my Sandbox and would like you to take a look. I'm at the stage of gathering citations and building out the research section and those to follow such as professional activities. Please let me know what you think so far. Cheers; BrucePL ( talk) 19:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Her methodology includes descriptive systematics, and paleoecological and taphonomic analyses.This is too technical, and if it needs to go somewhere, it should be in the main part of the article. My feeling is that Wikipedia prefers articles which says "Person A is an American biologist and Professor at University B. She studies subject C". It seems preferable to "Person A is an American biologist who studies subject C and is a Professor at University B." - but this is nit-picking, providing you don't attempt to explain subject C in the lead. Hope this helps. Take care, Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I was looking for places to cross-reference Suzanne Carbotte's page and see here [1] that you have created a page for Rachel Haymon, but have not edited it since 2019. Are you planning to come back to the page? I don't want to intrude, but she's on my list of people to work on. Perhaps we can collaborate and add in the citations needed to make this ready for the mainspace? DaffodilOcean ( talk) 14:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
@ RockMagnetist: Hi. This is the first rough draft. It shows where I think the article should go. What do you think? Am I on track - to improve and finish of course. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Marine_Geophysics. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 17:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
@ RockMagnetist: I've finshed a first draft in my sandbox. Would you mind taking a look and commenting? /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Marine_Geophysics . Thanks! BrucePL ( talk) 20:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi BrucePL! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Christine Siddoway that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Kj cheetham ( talk) 19:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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Please help me with... BLP page for Kenneth C Macdonald just accepted and is live. But, it is not appearing in WP Search box. Why? What needs to be done?
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Bruce - I really mean to imply you should put the {{
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in the
Mount Luyendyk article - not in the one about you!
If you have a try at the sandbox, I'll pop back in half an hour to check. It's getting late here, so won't have much longer online. If you haven't managed it by then, I'll create on for you. Nick Moyes ( talk) 23:30, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
You posted me a question on the talk page of the article, Bruce P. Luyendyk. As we're liable to have long discussoins as adopter/adoptee, I suggest carrying them out off article space. You asked: For the SDSU Distinguished Alumni award the Geological Sciences Dept. doesn't list the awardees. I have the trophy though with my name on it. I could figure out a way to put it on my web page and then add a link to the photo as a citation.
For the Antarctic Service Medal, the USAP website doesn't list holders. Again, I have the medal and could put a photo of it online. (BTW the WP page lists holders of the medal and they don't have citations to back up the claims). What do you think? Bruce BrucePL (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest the content of the section on Drilling into Deep Ocean Floor should not say any more than the fact that you led those two expeditions. I would recommend moving the rest of the content into the article on that topic. Remmber - this is an encyclopaedia article about a person, not the detailed results of what they did. (not to undermine you in any way - I'm in awe of your knowledge and achievements - my climbing/hill-walking partner who is real 'summit-bagger' was pretty impressed when I said I was assisting somone who'd had a mountain named after them.) Oh - and when you do move it over, I think you've used the wrong reference for Leg 49. I would advise only saying the following in the BPL article: Drilling into Deep Ocean Floor — Luyendyk led two expeditions of the Deep Sea Drilling Project. Principle discoveries included a basin-wide unconformity of Oligocene age that was likely related to initiation of ice sheets in Antarctica.[ref] (then we add a link at the top of that section referring to 'see main article'. You can learn how to do that by looking at the example for the Moon which has lots of 'see main article' links in it.
Forgive me if I do ask you to break the habit of a lifetime and steer away from crediting co-workers everywhere. Whilst normally highly commendable, it bloats out the page a bit too much in my view. Credits can always be found within the citations given, or "he and co-workers found..." could be used. And couldn't one of your references use 'et al.' instead of listing everyone? And unless named people are likely to be notable in their own right, I advise just leaving out sentences like this: Graduate students key to this research include Marc Kamerling, Richard Terres, James Carter and Scott Hornafius - they're named in the citation, and that's all we need. That said, it is essential not to over-estimate and one person's contribiutions either.
I spotted a couple of missing wikilinks that could go in. One to Fosdick Mountains would allow you to reduce that section a bit; whilst a link to climate model would assist general users to know what that means. Anything you can move out into into other articles that you can link to would make the BPL page more succinct - your own achievements and contributions to science clearer, and also more in the style of Wikipedia. (I'm sure you don't like me suggesting this!)
That should keep you going for now, I'm guessing? I also suggest that you work through our discussions on the
Ross Embayment and start to clean out the bits of conversation that have been done. Pretty soon it ought to be ready to be moved into mainspace. If you wish you can always indicate a paragraph[ah that you've dealt with using this template: {{
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This renders as Done. Hoping this all helps and that I'm not driving you mad. Regards
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Hi Bruce. Just thought I'd drop by to say I've created a new article that manages to incorporate the RRS James Clark Ross, a plankton species discovered in the South Atlantic (probably the nearest I'll get, but hey ho) and one of our greatest living naturalists! Trust you're well - let me know if you need anything. Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 21:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
I would also look to see if they had any species named after them, or had been the describing author of any species that they had discovered, too. Is this what you were hoping for, and does it give you any encouragement? Best wishes, Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:39, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Would like your opinion on my suggested move of the half-space section from Seafloor spreading/Sea floor global topography: half-space model, to MOR/Morphology. As you see the half-space treatment goes deep into the weeds. I am thinking that the half-space section belongs on MOR but maybe as a Note and not in the main text. This is because I think the flow of reading is interrupted by some dense math. Better to have it appear at the end in some fashion. The author of the half-space edit is okay with a move of it to MOR but has not responded to my idea of moving to a Note. What do you think? BrucePL ( talk) 00:12, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Happy New Year! Holidays have been crazy busy but I worked on the issues you raised and also added a section on Impacts of the cooling models. I hope you have a chance to look at it. I see you marked this sandbox page as reviewed and I'm not sure what that means. Best wishes. BrucePL ( talk) 23:33, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
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templates to show how its possible to hide complex content...which I think might help here. How would you feel about that? All Wikipedia pages have to be on notable topics and have logical titles that someone might reasonably search for. Have you got a proposed title in mind? Following from the suggestions I made earlier, I'd wondered about
Timeline of seafloor spreading models? It's important that pages are encyclopaedic and about notable topics which are clearly identifiable by their titles and are not too technically-written, and simply summarised with a concise lead. Nor should they make assumptions, but provide summary information of important topics and ideas. I still feel that this particular UK-based idiot needs a slightly more clearly-worded 'idiots guide' - but I do think you're on the right track here. BTW: I found this sentence confusing: This results in global (eustatic) sea level rise (fall) because...
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Moved the page from my sandbox to article space. Explained what I'm doing on its talk page. BrucePL ( talk) 20:48, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi again Nick. I'm gathering data for a page on a young, rising star in ocean sciences for a BLP. Should I draft it in my sandbox or in Draft Article space like I did for Macdonald? Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 00:49, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been absent from WP these past couple of weeks dealing with my book items ( http://bruceluyendyk.com) and preparing for a lecture I will give at UC San Diego. I expect to be back in the saddle to deal with MOR and BLP mid-May. Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 17:54, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Hi Bruce. How's it going? I thought I ought to let you know I'm not going to be around a lot over the next 8 weeks or so. I'm off in a week or so's time to Switzerland to climb this summit. (Got stormed in and had to get helicoptered off when we last tried it some 18 years ago!) Am very busy with house renovation and other work this summer, so I just wanted to warn you I might not be too responsive. If you've any issues you might need help on, the next few days are probably best for me. Looking at your draft on Tessa M. Hill (and realising it's early days) I'd suggest you shorten the lead and add in the CAS Fellowship - try cutting out the two sentences starting 'Hill's research includes...to...K-12 education.' Do be careful not to try to expand too much on the detail of her work, such that it becomes almost another topic. I'd suggest either being more succinct about her work, or only expand it if you can show that her work is especially notable. I'd leave out items like her PhD supervisor unless they're especially notable, as well. That tends to make editors more liable to view it as a LinkedIn curriculum, rather than a succinct summary of a noteworthy person. Hope this helps a bit, Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 01:37, 15 June 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:. Hi Nick; I'm back. Did a lot of work on Transverse Ranges and now on the BLP for Tessa Hill /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Tessa_M._Hill. Can you look at this BLP and give me feedback? I did a copyvio and came up with one for a blocked quote (PECASE). Not unexpected of course. The other content didn't flag anything if I've interpreted the scan correctly. How can I save this page to a file? Just in case it gets deleted or trashed. BrucePL ( talk) 23:17, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Working on another BLP for a women geoscientist. The draft text I received from a colleague suggests the use of hashtags to highlight her activism. Are these allowed? How formatted? BrucePL ( talk) 00:27, 3 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I want to add categories to the Sumner sandbox page. I didn't find a template but I see how it is done in source editing. Where do I find a master list of categories? Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 18:08, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
[[:Category:American geophysicists]]
produces this hyperlink (
Category:American geophysicists) on this talk page, whilst the page doesn't appear in the category list itself. (at least I hope it doesn't!)References
Well, I would expect full author initials in a scientific works, but not here, unless they're known in that way in common parlance, e.g. J.K.Rowling or George W. Bush. See WP:COMMONNAME for guidance on this, confirming we should base article names on how independent sources refer to them (i.e. all the newspaper articles you've cited), not how the subject wishes to be known. Sorry if I misled you on the '2nd paragraph' stuff. I actually meant to refer to the 'sexual harassment in science' section, where the paragraph starting Sumner is an active scientist on social media, ... could do with a supporting citation. But do feel free now to move it into mainspace. Then you can add categories to it, though I might need you to explain what help you're seeking by your final question - I didn't quite understand what you meant. Nick Moyes ( talk) 22:15, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: I am not certain how to use Categories. If I'm in VE I see a template but not sure how to use it. I'll poke around until I hear from you tomorrow or after. Thanks, Nick. BrucePL ( talk) 23:13, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. Can you look at the edits Ozzie10aaaa made to Dawn Sumner? He/she cut out Selected works, outreach, external links. Is this user a high-rank admin? I don't know how to react. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 19:55, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay in replying, Bruce. I'm going to work through the seven edits in reverse order and make observations on them here first.
"Lists of published works should be included for authors, illustrators, photographers and other artists. The individual items in the list do not have to be sufficiently notable to merit their own separate articles. Complete lists of works, appropriately sourced to reliable scholarship (WP:V), are encouraged, particularly when such lists are not already freely available on the internet."Personally, I don't think MOS has considered that some academics have authored hundreds of papers, so a 'selected list' is far more appropriate than a complete list, as you've attempted here.
I've run out of time to comment further today. Can I leave it with you to consider? I am happy to discuss and to insert the agreed versions myself, as a way of demonstrating consensus and input from another editor. I've not pinged the other editor in at this stage, simply because this thread as part of the adoption/mentoring process is rather long for them to expect them to read it. So any discussion over what consensus needs to be reached can be moved to the talk page of her article. How does all this sound? (Am now back to the house renovation work for the next couple of days, then shall then be off for the week, dropping in en route to see how my daughter is getting on in her first term at University).
One bit of Wikipedia guidance I could leave you to explore is Edit Warring - which we aren't straying into at all here, but which you should be aware of. Bold, revert, discuss is the way to solve issues. Basically, if you and I continually disagree on something, we can't be allowed to get away with continually adding/reverting/re-adding/re-reverting ad infinitum. This is called edit warring, is disruptive, and could get us both blocked. Having reverted another persons edit (with a good edit summary, at all times!) editors aren't then expected to repeat those action, but instead to go to one talk page or another and discuss their concerns and to reach an agreed consensus. Should such consensus not be reachable, there are ways to take the issue to discussion noticeboards for non-involved editors to arbitrate on. Cheers for now. Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC) Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 09:35, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
please go ahead, the reason I edited some of the text though this individual has accomplished alot is that it starts looking somewhat 'promo', however use judgement and re-add what you believe is best,-- Ozzie10aaaa ( talk) 17:52, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I did a serious work-over on this article. I think, a big improvement. CAn look at it and comment? I decided to leave in some legacy text even though I'd prefer to take it all out. Cheers. BrucePL ( talk) 21:46, 7 December 2018 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:. Hi Nick. I drafted a new article and hope you can take a look at it. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/RISE_project
Hope all is well! -- BrucePL ( talk) 17:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Made changes you suggested. Please take a look. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 22:12, 30 April 2019 (UTC)
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template to add depths and areas in both metric and imperial? It's a good idea to use this, and there are options for expanding or contracting the stated units of measurement to suit the article. I was confused what (CYAMEX) was relating to - clearly not the Gulf of Mexico. Is this important? If so, maybe some clarification is needed.@ Nick Moyes:: Hi Nick. Made changes you suggested. Please take a look. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 15:01, 7 May 2019 (UTC)
Marine geologists were puzzled for years by heat flow data from the seafloor that showed the measured values at spreading centers were too low for theoretical models of seafloor spreading.[14] The convective crustal heat transfer computed from the vent plumes was estimated to be many-fold the observed normal conductive heat flow at a spreading center.[15] These observations provided an answer to the low heat flow problem.
Does this mean that, whilst the modelling predicted high temperature measurements of the seafloor at spreading centres, the actual temperature measurements were lower because the heat that would have been expected to be in the seafloor was actually escaping from somewhere else - namely via the hydrothermal vents into the seawater, rather than through conduction through the seabed? I've had to read and re-read that bit quite a few times to conclude that's what the 'low heat flow problem' was. Any chance of making that a little bit clearer? So, if you want to think about moving it into mainspace, that;d be fine now. I recommend adding the RISE project to your
WP:COI declaration - especially as it's going to go forward for a DYK slot.
Did You Know: .. that black smoker hydrothermal vents were first discovered on the East Pacific Rise at 2600 meters 40 years ago by the submersible ALVIN during the RISE Project?
… that during the RISE Project the deep-sea submersible ALVIN discovered a series of hydrothermal vents on the East Pacific Rise emitting dark mineral particles at extremely high temperatures which gave rise to the popular name, “ black smokers”?
Source 1: F. N. Spiess et al., Hot Springs and geophysical experiments on the East Pacific Rise. Science, 207: 1421-1444, 1980. BrucePL ( talk) 19:05, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
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template is that it needs to go on both articles, not just one of them. I've fixed that too. I look forward to seeing the DYK nomination template. Just shout if you need any input from me. Cheers,
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22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)@ Nick Moyes: Well Nick, I stumbled through DYK and think I did it. Take a look: /info/en/?search=Template:Did_you_know_nominations/RISE_project_(oceanography) ; /info/en/?search=Talk:RISE_project_(oceanography); /info/en/?search=Template_talk:Did_you_know#Articles_created%2Fexpanded_on_May_15 ; I'll stay tuned. BrucePL ( talk) 21:36, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes:: Nick. Maybe you missed my update. Can you check my DYK nomination? No comments or reviews yet? BrucePL ( talk) 16:13, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
BrucePL ( talk) 19:21, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
Yes - 3 steps: #1 It gets a final check and quickly moved to DYK Nominations approved; #2 it waits (and waits) for scheduling into a particular DYK Queue; it gets automatically moved to the Main page for its moment of glory. BTW: do you know how to check an article's page views? Nick Moyes ( talk) 21:49, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. That entire black smokers paragraph is wrong on the ALVIN page. I'm sure Ballard didn't write it. Can I get away with a full replacement? Also, some facts on Ballard's page concerning vents and ALVIN need fixing. His page has an edit warning. (PS: I do know how to check page views). BrucePL ( talk) 00:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
finalizing a draft of this article. BrucePL ( talk) 20:05, 21 May 2019 (UTC) /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Project_FAMOUS BrucePL ( talk) 20:06, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
not the name of the Project itself, are clearly demonstrated. I do have a small backlog of detailed replies I need to sit down and give to other people when I'm in front of PC, not a mobile phone, but I will reply asap. Nick Moyes ( talk) 08:10, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Snowdon Park looks gorgeous! Hope the weather was fine. Hoping to see a critique for FAMOUS from you soon (no pressure!). Want to move on to a few articles stacking up now. BrucePL ( talk) 17:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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template to add a specific page number after a reference, like this.REF: 123 I don't know if you are also aware that there is actually no requirement to have any references in the lead paragraph at all, provided that everything is subsequently expanded upon and properly cited later on, although sometimes I do like to leave one or two key ones in there for extra clarity myself. I can have a go at the methodology and results sections if you wish, though you're free to ignore my edits if you prefer. Only thing is, I can't promise to do it immediately. Let me know what you think. Cheers,
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@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. For my next effort, I want to revise and update Mid-ocean ridge article. My colleague Ken Macdonald read through it and made comments below. He's an expert having written three review papers on MORs. Some of the changes he calls for are substantial. Not quite a rewrite but close. I'm hesitant to go too far fearing my effort will get flagged as harassment or vandalism. How do comments below strike you?
"Bruce, . . .
I am reading through the MOR entry and have a few comments as I go- The intro paragraph gives the impression that all MORs have rift valleys. I avoid this in the first paragraph of my intro for my encyclopedia article (eos) by getting to spreading rates right away- rift valley for slow, etc... Fig 1 is a disaster. It promulgates the misinterpretation that the crust is thickest near the axis, ie, that the elevation of the MOR is that of a constructional volcano rather than being caused by hot mantle, ie, thermal expansion. The crust should be shown thinnest at the axis.
Volcanism section: Fig 2 which is a movie is more accurate than fig 1. perhaps the easiest correction is to delete Fig 1 "continuing volcanism" should be "active" volcanism, continuing can be confused with continuous, which would be wrong. This whole section kind of restates an introduction in several different ways; total rewrite needed. Start out with the fact that Mors are spreading centers with a range of rates~ 1-20cm/yr. and go from there. It will save some repetition that happens later.
Morphology section Some ok stuff here, but it would be clearer to start out with the cross-sectional view of the ridge which gets into the whole deepening of seafloor as square root of age ( and thickening of lithosphere). And then transition to an along strike perspective introducing transform faults, the undulation of axial depth of several hundred meters, and non-rigid offsets such as OSCs, with the deepest points being at ridge-axis discontinuities (transforms, oscs, etc) You want to address magma supply from the upper mantle, more magma near mid-segment, less near major discontinuities.
Formation processes section Slab pull is thought to be the primary force I thought, from the Forsyth and Uyeda work, summarized well in Searle's book. And the slab pull would exert on the entire plate not just as it nears the trench. Whoever wrote this original text forgot what a plate is! The second paragraph goes after driving mechanisms a bit more, and not well. Perhaps this should be omitted since driving mechanisms are really more relevant to a plate tectonics entry than this MOR entry. This avoids the awkward assertion that the MAR must be driven by push or by friction since it has little in the way of subduction zones. Elsasser explained this elegantly as driven by slab pull via subduction zone suction. 3rd paragraph finally gets to spreading rates, much smoother to get to this at the start of the entry, it sets the stage. Then goes to ANOTHER explanation of crustal formation, a bit more confused version of the first one.
Global system section This global scale perspective would be so much better placed at the very beginning, combined with spreading rates. Sealevel changes as a result of spreading rate changes seems a bit out of place here. Also I think it may not be correct.
Seawater chem section bloody awful! and I don't think it is really essential to this MOR entry. Just a cross-reference here to hydrothermal activity, black smokers, etc.
impact section finally a reference to "seafloor spreading" near the end of the entry, OMG!"
Your thoughts? Thanks
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21:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I started my edits in my Sandbox. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/MOR_edits I revised the lead. Please take a look. It's a bit long but covers the bases almost. Left out mention of the age-depth relation covered later in the article. BrucePL ( talk) 16:02, 15 June 2019 (UTC) Also replaced first figure with one I enhanced from the Commons. @ Nick Moyes: I think I pinged you incorrectly. BrucePL ( talk) 01:04, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. An edit I made on Mid-ocean ridge was reverted by Vsmith, a senior admin. Do I have recourse? BrucePL ( talk) 17:45, 28 June 2019 (UTC)
of improving geological articles. So I suspect you both have a great opportunity to engage and work together on this topic.
@ Nick Moyes: Nick. I had a dialog with User Vsmith and he won't budge; see his talk page. I'm a bit put off by his stance. The content in the entry at best doesn't belong on the MOR page or is wrong at worst. Could this go to arbitration? BrucePL ( talk) 22:58, 30 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've done a lot of work on this page assisted by Kem Macdonald. It's much improved I think. I need advice and help on one issue. The following statement has no citation and I've hunted the internet and literature trying to find where it might come from with no luck: "It is estimated that 20 volcanic eruptions occur each year along earth's mid-ocean ridges and that every year 2.5 km2 (0.97 sq mi) of new seafloor is formed by this process. With a crustal thickness of 1 to 2 km (0.62 to 1.24 mi), this amounts to about 4 km3 (0.96 cu mi) of new ocean crust formed every year.[citation needed]". Ken and I think the facts are wrong but without checking a source we can't be sure. Is there a way to find out which editor wrote this and when? I skimmed through "View Hisotry" not really knowing what to look for. Any help with this? BrucePL ( talk) 21:26, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
On 26 June 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article RISE project, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in 1979, the RISE project first discovered hydrothermal vents known as 'black smokers', on a mid-ocean ridge in the Pacific Ocean? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page ( here's how, RISE project), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru ( talk) 00:01, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been working on a BLP for her. She's a young woman oceanographer who is headed to great things after done a lot so far. Please take a look when you can. A few items may need citations but I'm digging into these. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Amelia_Shevenell. Cheers; BrucePL ( talk) 17:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've cleaned up missing info and should be ready for article space. Can you take a look? Thanks. Bruce BrucePL ( talk) 18:29, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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Hi Bruce. I suspect you aren't around right now, but if you are and if have a free moment, I wonder if you could cast your eye over the article on Coropuna - about a Peruvian volcano?
It's nearing the end of a Featured Article review process, and I got involved at the last minute. I've really just been doing a bit of copyediting and tweaking to make it read more easily. There's a lot of geology in it, and neither the editor who's been working on it ( User:Jo-Jo Eumerus) nor I are experts in that field.
At this stage it only needs a quick read-through for glaring technical errors, as there is a real risk that, having been up for review for quite a while now, the application could soon get shelved, and not go through. It really is nearly 'there'. So any feedback you might offer right now could be helpful - but don't "bust a gut" if you're busy or don't have the time. Rather than complicate things by asking you to leave feedback at the review page (at WP:Featured article candidates/Coropuna/archive1 where most of the review discussions are held), feel free to make direct edits to the article or leave comments here on your talk page, and we'll monitor it.
If things had worked out I'd have been on my way up Mount Toubkal either today or tomorrow so, as you can imagine, I'm pretty nissed off to still be here in the UK, sitting at a computer instead. Trusting you're in better health then me right now! Regards, Nick Moyes ( talk) 11:09, 4 December 2019 (UTC)
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The article is tight.means. But no, I don't work for INGEMMET. Jo-Jo Eumerus ( talk) 19:42, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
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@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick;
I hope you and yours are well. Our family is self-isolating and doing okay.
I have a question about citing articles where the citation leads to the publisher's page with the article - not behind a paywall. A colleague provided me with an article and its citation saying that the publisher doesn't want the article to be put on the web. But the doi leads to the article and a no-cost download option.
Is there a communication problem here? It seems to me if the article is free then what is the meaning of "don't put it on the web?" I would assume it means, as with WP, don't use the content on the web?
Still chipping away at various articles but no major efforts lately as I've concentrated on nonfiction writing. BrucePL ( talk) 20:49, 26 May 2020 (UTC) Hello Bruce. Funnily enough I took a look at your user contributions today to see whether you'd been editing recently, and was pleased to see that you had. So was going to drop by to say 'Hi', but you beat me to it. Like you, we are also in lockdown, and feeling a little bit exposed by the virus. My wife works in our health service, so she recognises she has the potential for bringing Covid home, but we're not doing the full self-isolation thing, though our neighbours are. My daughter has just sat her 2nd year Uni exams in her bedroom here, and has no idea when she can go back to real studies. Tensions have risen a bit, but it's lovely to have her and her sister both here. Recently, we all had a front garden 'Street Party' in our road to celebrate VE Day - a most esoteric experience, with Vera Lynn being blasted out down the street, and each family in their own personal space, with flags, buntings and cakes. I even dug out a World War II Union Jack that my father had brought home after serving in the Navy, and hung that on our house. (Normally I'm rather appalled by anyone hanging a UK flag on their property!)
Your question about the published paper is very odd. I agree with you: I think the person meant to imply that it would not be ok to see the full text repeated on another website, including Wikipedia. Of course, that couldn't ever happen here, though using the doi to link to it surely can't be an issue. Why publish something and then say 'don't look at it'?
Somewhat linked to that theme: I've recently started getting emails from Academia.edu, linking to geological papers related to your area of research. One or two have been full papers ( like this one), and I've even found some citations on Wikipedia have only been to abstracts, so I've added the link. I wasn't aware that Academia.edu was a predatory publisher. Do you have any idea why past papers suddenly appear online on sites like this, years after they were first published? I assume I'm getting the emails simply because I've shown interest in downloading related papers. Keep safe! Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:58, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. Having a problem with reusing citations. In the above page refs 1 and 2 are first cited in the Infobox. And they appear in the References section. However, when I try to Reuse them they don't appear in the eligible list. If I cite them again in the text they appear as new references -duplicates. It appears that the Infobox citations cannot be reused. What is the fix? Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 18:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
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Ok Bruce. Will do. I don’t use FB a huge amount, but happy to fix that. Nick Nick Moyes ( talk) 16:45, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've searched and cannot find the steps to create a backup for an article. The issue would be if someone moved an article from the Sandbox to the main space and it was deleted by another editor, where is the original? If I recall my experience it is gone when deleted. I searched help pages and could not find a procedure. Thanks, BrucePL ( talk) 17:44, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Nick Moyes: Hi Nick. I've been absent for a few months working on writing and dealing with the pandemic. I hope you and your family are doing well. I started a new BLP in my Sandbox and would like you to take a look. I'm at the stage of gathering citations and building out the research section and those to follow such as professional activities. Please let me know what you think so far. Cheers; BrucePL ( talk) 19:10, 17 March 2021 (UTC)
Her methodology includes descriptive systematics, and paleoecological and taphonomic analyses.This is too technical, and if it needs to go somewhere, it should be in the main part of the article. My feeling is that Wikipedia prefers articles which says "Person A is an American biologist and Professor at University B. She studies subject C". It seems preferable to "Person A is an American biologist who studies subject C and is a Professor at University B." - but this is nit-picking, providing you don't attempt to explain subject C in the lead. Hope this helps. Take care, Nick Moyes ( talk) 00:57, 18 March 2021 (UTC)
I was looking for places to cross-reference Suzanne Carbotte's page and see here [1] that you have created a page for Rachel Haymon, but have not edited it since 2019. Are you planning to come back to the page? I don't want to intrude, but she's on my list of people to work on. Perhaps we can collaborate and add in the citations needed to make this ready for the mainspace? DaffodilOcean ( talk) 14:20, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
@ RockMagnetist: Hi. This is the first rough draft. It shows where I think the article should go. What do you think? Am I on track - to improve and finish of course. /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Marine_Geophysics. Thanks. BrucePL ( talk) 17:07, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
@ RockMagnetist: I've finshed a first draft in my sandbox. Would you mind taking a look and commenting? /info/en/?search=User:BrucePL/sandbox/Marine_Geophysics . Thanks! BrucePL ( talk) 20:46, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi BrucePL! I noticed that you recently marked an edit as minor at Christine Siddoway that may not have been. "Minor edit" has a very specific definition on Wikipedia – it refers only to superficial edits that could never be the subject of a dispute, such as typo corrections or reverting obvious vandalism. Any edit that changes the meaning of an article is not a minor edit, even if it only concerns a single word. Please see Help:Minor edit for more information. Thank you. Kj cheetham ( talk) 19:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
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