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Sorry about all that uploading, I shouldn't be editing (images) when sick obviously. :P sonia♫ 08:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. I wonder if when you have a moment, you could do me a small quick favour, and knock out the unsightly black bkgnd I left around File:Teignmouth_school_logo.jpg when I lifted it from their website? Cheers, -- Kudpung ( talk) 21:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. File:Wren_school_crest.jpg is another one you could tweak if you have time. I think just knocking out the red background would do the trick. No hurry though.-- Kudpung ( talk) 07:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! I should be testing in multiple browsers, but I'm lazy and don't (I used to have virtualbox and VMWare images for major OSs, but had to sacrifice that when a new project started and I needed all the disk space I had...)
Just one problem: in Chrome (my current default browser) I'm seeing a wide gap now between the infobox and the content - is that just me? (If so, I can probably live with it - I only use my userpage to copy-and-paste stuff from). TFOWR 11:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
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The Special Barnstar | |
For unsolicited but very, very welcome improvements to my userpage, specifically making it accessible to multiple web browsers while maintaining the original design. For the record, this was prompted by Begoon's diligence in spotting an off-the-cuff edit summary and responding with hard-graft and professionalism. TFOWR 08:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC) |
Ah, the cheque has arrived... (
...lol). Thank you - much appreciated. I even have a page to put these on, so I can copy it there now.
Begoon•
talk
09:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Question for you at User_talk:Fastily#Image fogged. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 21:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Begoon, thank you for supporting
my RfA!
I was promoted with a final tally of 65/4/3.
I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations, do my best for Wikipedia, and take to heart the constructive criticism. Always feel free to message me if I'm around.
Magog the Ogre ( talk) 11:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
When I try to save svgs, my computer wants to turn them into pngs. What am I doing wrong?-- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 14:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes - you're not the first person to be confused by that, and you won't be the last. One day when I'm bored I should suggest adding a "download this file as svg" (or jpg, or whatever it is) link to the file description page, under the thumbnail. Begoon• talk 17:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I did it now, because one never comes back and does these things. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25148 refers. Begoon• talk 17:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, apologies for contacting out of the blue - you're very active on the SVG pages, so I thought you might be the person to ask!
A couple of days ago, Chamberlain2007 uploaded an SVG for the Top 4 on the graphics requests page ( Cloverdale_Municipal_Airport_diagram.svg). I noticed that it still had all the Inkscape tags, and the text hadn't been converted to paths so was sometimes rendering incorrectly (as shown in the original thumbnail). I corrected this and uploaded a new version. However.... Wikipedia seems to have created correctly rendered PNGs at all sizes other than the main page 348px image, which seems not to have updated from the original upload rendering.
This is quite perplexing! Any ideas? Thanks, Serenthia 09:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, Begoon, this is a personal note of thanks for the lovely support vote you placed in my RfA. Each vote mattered :) Just spluttered home :) My thanks to you for leaving the vote, and most importantly the comments :) Wishes Wifione ....... Leave a message 19:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Begoon. I am ChaosMaster16's sister in real life. I edited from his account a few times, and finally decided to get my own. When I told him, though, his concern was about banning, since we share an ip address. Is there anyway that if he gets banned, I do not, or vice versa? Pinknp ( talk) 23:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Fun question for you, either you will know or you will know the guy who knows. You know? Is there presently any technology that will textwrap around a non-square image, and is Wikipedia working on it? What I mean is, let's say you have an oval-shaped image of Gladstone. All the corner space is dead space, can the text be moved so it justifies around the image?-- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 11:38, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
The reason that was there was because those comments will not be considered when the poll is closed, Jimbo made that very clear. It is there to notify editors that their vote will not count, except as a comment. I do not revert more than once, so please, self-revert. Ronk01 talk 02:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Begoon, I was trying to MAKE the "infobox" more flexible but your clearly not interested so just BLOODY well forget it!!! Mackay 86 ( talk) 15:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. Can I ask you another favour? If you have time, could you knock out the awful maroon bkgd from the school crest for me? Thanks. -- Kudpung ( talk) 07:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I feel the need to get this done before I become apatheticb(humour). Are you freed up to do a copyedit or is it possible to just ask the guild of copyeditors to do something? Either way I'd like to get some sort of peer review or nomination through soon. If no-one can source of rewrite the natural resources section I'm up for just removing it, perhaps just with <--! this weird coding -->, which should allow others to work on it if they can. I think the rest of the article is good in terms of what it has, although of course it could be expanded. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 10:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I think that when you get around to editing, if any statements remain unsourced just remove them, either by hiding or just plain deleting. Chances are sources haven't been able to be found. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 06:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Just had a thought, since you're the image guy, I assume you'll be checking the images for they're fitting criteria when you go over the article? I guess you should just delete them, but is there a general guideline for pictures that can be used to replace them? A simple one :) ? Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 15:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. I'm not really following pending changes discussions. Could you ping me if there's any movement on discussing (or even - gasp! - working on) stuff for the next trial? I'm happy to put the hard work in, but can't really keep up with all the discussions. (Obviously, if you're in the same position I'll understand...) TFOWR 09:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Begoon. I'm Wanwa from Russian Graphic lab. We have serious problems with graphists. Everyone rests. But we have nearly 15 images to vectorize it. So, you are dearly invited to our project. If you agree, please tell me. I'll show you those images and translate them in English. If you don't agree, please tell me, who can fulfilled this task. Yours, Wanwa ( talk) 07:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC). Oh, sorry about mistakes in the text.
Hello - I can't promise anything - but if you can show me where the images are, I'll take a look, and let you know what I think. Begoon talk 10:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Extended content
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To vectorize (into SVG). This is a list of images:
Wanwa ( talk) 19:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC) Well, on the whole, they are really quite intricate designs, and for at least the first 3 the originals are not very good to work from. I'll search for some better originals first, and see where we go from there. Begoon talk 00:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC) Oh, thanks a million! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanwa ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Begoon. I see you haven't edited for a couple of months. Are you still around, or is RL getting in the way of your editing? ;) -- Kudpung ( talk) 11:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This user helped promote Malaysia to good article status. |
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The Editor's Barnstar | |
For recognition of work on Malaysia. SilkTork * YES! 14:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC) |
This is a very useful, readable and professionally presented article. One of the best articles I've encountered. Now get working on building up other articles. Well done. SilkTork * YES! 14:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Heya, no problem. I understand. Hope you'll be back soon... and thanks for all your work on the Malaysia article! Cheers, Bejinhan talks 06:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Good to hear from you again, hope you can deal with RL in order to come back to the much more meaningful life found here on wikipedia. I like your message, the humour works, just if you were wondering. Anyway, just stopping by to say hi and welcome back and all that! Merry Christmas (soon enough) Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 09:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Yegorievsk regional Scout organization.svg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under non-free content criteria, but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to the file description page, and edit it to include a non-free rationale.
If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified the non-free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions, please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ww2censor ( talk) 16:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
You've been missed, everything okay?-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 03:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
![]() | An editor thinks something might be wrong with this page. That editor can't be arsed to fix it, but can rest assured that they've done their encyclopaedic duty by sticking on a tag. Please allow this tag to languish indefinitely at the top of the page, since nobody knows exactly what the tagging editor was worked up about. |
(with apologies to anyone who feels this experiment was "fishing with hand grenades" - I plead guilty to that...)
Just as an experiment, since I use WP as "reference" myself, and partially to see if I'd be willing to come back and edit, I selected 2 articles I happened to be viewing, both of which had very old ugly tags right at the top - one was 4 years old - the other was about a year old.
Both articles were FAR FAR better than many of the "almost stubs" which the admin-wannabee kiddies and the like create and then blunder through to GA status to "score the points".
In both cases there had been no real effort to explain the reasons behind the tag, and certainly no effort from the tagger to engage in discussion, or improve the article.
Also, in both cases, the tag did nothing to explain WHAT was wrong - just that "some more references would be nice", and in the process spoilt otherwise good and informative articles.
Huge Orange exclamation marks proclaiming who knows what may mean something to us, but to a casual reader they just say "Alert - something wrong - go somewhere else".
Maybe it's just me as a designer that sees them as pug-ugly counterproductive shit - but I suspect not...
There must be better ways (categories/lists etc...) of flagging these articles. Ugly, scary tags that 99% of people viewing the article (remember the casual reader? - I met a few, once...) have no clue how to understand or interpret are, frankly, pathetic...
Both tags were replaced by editors who did nothing but that - replace the tag.
I politely invited talk page discussion in both cases, but none at all was forthcoming - just tag replacement.
I did this as an IP, because THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WHO READ WP ARE
I'm tempted to do it again as an established editor - I suspect neither tag replacement would be made in that case.
However, instead, I think I'll just alter my user page tags from Semi-Retired to Retired - since there really seems little point to any of this.
Welcome to the encyclopedia that anyone can edit - so long as it's for the benefit, or to the liking of, the guys in the editing club, and complies with their understanding of the game...
Sod the actual readers - why on earth would the end user matter ?
Ah, well...
Begoon• talk 18:30, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
p.s: One important thing I forgot to add: In the unlikely event that anyone reads to the end of this rant, and finds this: I strongly recommend that you try the experience of editing as an IP yourself once in a while. Just do your normal edits, but don't log in. I guarantee it will open your eyes to how the "encyclopedia anyone can edit" treats anonymous contributors... Adieu Begoon• talk 14:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Are you staying for a significant period of time? Any new thoughts on the whole IP issues? Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 02:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, ok, I understand now. I'm struggling with the same concepts that I know a lot of people are. Here's some of how my train of thought is currently:
...So: My best current conclusion from that is that before I get wrapped up in deciding why I think those specific areas of poor treatment occur - it might be best just to work out why we often don't treat people well in general. Current vague ideas include:
I could go on, but you get the idea.
I've decided that, rather than just going with the flow this time around, I can only be comfortable editing here if I feel everything I do has a chance to enhance my understanding of these things, and maybe even some ideas to change them. Relevant to all this - I've offered to help "mentor" one user who's fallen into a block, but he, I think is very upset right now, and seems to have "gone away to think about things" - so I don't know how that will pan out.
And, yes, I understand that greater minds than mine have grappled with all these thoughts already - nevertheless, I won't be happy until I've taken at least some steps to understand it all, and maybe, even, help make a difference somewhere, instead of just moaning about it. Possibly I'm just setting myself up with a huge timesink, which will benefit no-one, but it's my time to sink, so we'll see...
Bet you're glad you asked, now... :) - Begoon talk 11:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
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Sorry about all that uploading, I shouldn't be editing (images) when sick obviously. :P sonia♫ 08:26, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. I wonder if when you have a moment, you could do me a small quick favour, and knock out the unsightly black bkgnd I left around File:Teignmouth_school_logo.jpg when I lifted it from their website? Cheers, -- Kudpung ( talk) 21:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. File:Wren_school_crest.jpg is another one you could tweak if you have time. I think just knocking out the red background would do the trick. No hurry though.-- Kudpung ( talk) 07:40, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! I should be testing in multiple browsers, but I'm lazy and don't (I used to have virtualbox and VMWare images for major OSs, but had to sacrifice that when a new project started and I needed all the disk space I had...)
Just one problem: in Chrome (my current default browser) I'm seeing a wide gap now between the infobox and the content - is that just me? (If so, I can probably live with it - I only use my userpage to copy-and-paste stuff from). TFOWR 11:49, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
![]() |
The Special Barnstar | |
For unsolicited but very, very welcome improvements to my userpage, specifically making it accessible to multiple web browsers while maintaining the original design. For the record, this was prompted by Begoon's diligence in spotting an off-the-cuff edit summary and responding with hard-graft and professionalism. TFOWR 08:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC) |
Ah, the cheque has arrived... (
...lol). Thank you - much appreciated. I even have a page to put these on, so I can copy it there now.
Begoon•
talk
09:05, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Question for you at User_talk:Fastily#Image fogged. ~ Amatulić ( talk) 21:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Begoon, thank you for supporting
my RfA!
I was promoted with a final tally of 65/4/3.
I hope I can live up to everyone's expectations, do my best for Wikipedia, and take to heart the constructive criticism. Always feel free to message me if I'm around.
Magog the Ogre ( talk) 11:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
When I try to save svgs, my computer wants to turn them into pngs. What am I doing wrong?-- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 14:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Yes - you're not the first person to be confused by that, and you won't be the last. One day when I'm bored I should suggest adding a "download this file as svg" (or jpg, or whatever it is) link to the file description page, under the thumbnail. Begoon• talk 17:29, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Actually, I did it now, because one never comes back and does these things. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=25148 refers. Begoon• talk 17:47, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi, apologies for contacting out of the blue - you're very active on the SVG pages, so I thought you might be the person to ask!
A couple of days ago, Chamberlain2007 uploaded an SVG for the Top 4 on the graphics requests page ( Cloverdale_Municipal_Airport_diagram.svg). I noticed that it still had all the Inkscape tags, and the text hadn't been converted to paths so was sometimes rendering incorrectly (as shown in the original thumbnail). I corrected this and uploaded a new version. However.... Wikipedia seems to have created correctly rendered PNGs at all sizes other than the main page 348px image, which seems not to have updated from the original upload rendering.
This is quite perplexing! Any ideas? Thanks, Serenthia 09:07, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, Begoon, this is a personal note of thanks for the lovely support vote you placed in my RfA. Each vote mattered :) Just spluttered home :) My thanks to you for leaving the vote, and most importantly the comments :) Wishes Wifione ....... Leave a message 19:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
Hello Begoon. I am ChaosMaster16's sister in real life. I edited from his account a few times, and finally decided to get my own. When I told him, though, his concern was about banning, since we share an ip address. Is there anyway that if he gets banned, I do not, or vice versa? Pinknp ( talk) 23:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Fun question for you, either you will know or you will know the guy who knows. You know? Is there presently any technology that will textwrap around a non-square image, and is Wikipedia working on it? What I mean is, let's say you have an oval-shaped image of Gladstone. All the corner space is dead space, can the text be moved so it justifies around the image?-- Chris (クリス • フィッチ) ( talk) 11:38, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
The reason that was there was because those comments will not be considered when the poll is closed, Jimbo made that very clear. It is there to notify editors that their vote will not count, except as a comment. I do not revert more than once, so please, self-revert. Ronk01 talk 02:36, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Begoon, I was trying to MAKE the "infobox" more flexible but your clearly not interested so just BLOODY well forget it!!! Mackay 86 ( talk) 15:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. Can I ask you another favour? If you have time, could you knock out the awful maroon bkgd from the school crest for me? Thanks. -- Kudpung ( talk) 07:02, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
I feel the need to get this done before I become apatheticb(humour). Are you freed up to do a copyedit or is it possible to just ask the guild of copyeditors to do something? Either way I'd like to get some sort of peer review or nomination through soon. If no-one can source of rewrite the natural resources section I'm up for just removing it, perhaps just with <--! this weird coding -->, which should allow others to work on it if they can. I think the rest of the article is good in terms of what it has, although of course it could be expanded. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 10:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Well, I think that when you get around to editing, if any statements remain unsourced just remove them, either by hiding or just plain deleting. Chances are sources haven't been able to be found. Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 06:44, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Just had a thought, since you're the image guy, I assume you'll be checking the images for they're fitting criteria when you go over the article? I guess you should just delete them, but is there a general guideline for pictures that can be used to replace them? A simple one :) ? Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 15:24, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Begoon. I'm not really following pending changes discussions. Could you ping me if there's any movement on discussing (or even - gasp! - working on) stuff for the next trial? I'm happy to put the hard work in, but can't really keep up with all the discussions. (Obviously, if you're in the same position I'll understand...) TFOWR 09:51, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Coat of arms of Malaysia.svg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under fair use but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia constitutes fair use. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale.
If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:00, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
Hello, Begoon. I'm Wanwa from Russian Graphic lab. We have serious problems with graphists. Everyone rests. But we have nearly 15 images to vectorize it. So, you are dearly invited to our project. If you agree, please tell me. I'll show you those images and translate them in English. If you don't agree, please tell me, who can fulfilled this task. Yours, Wanwa ( talk) 07:56, 20 August 2010 (UTC). Oh, sorry about mistakes in the text.
Hello - I can't promise anything - but if you can show me where the images are, I'll take a look, and let you know what I think. Begoon talk 10:11, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
Extended content
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To vectorize (into SVG). This is a list of images:
Wanwa ( talk) 19:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC) Well, on the whole, they are really quite intricate designs, and for at least the first 3 the originals are not very good to work from. I'll search for some better originals first, and see where we go from there. Begoon talk 00:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC) Oh, thanks a million! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wanwa ( talk • contribs) 09:54, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Begoon. I see you haven't edited for a couple of months. Are you still around, or is RL getting in the way of your editing? ;) -- Kudpung ( talk) 11:14, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
![]() | This user helped promote Malaysia to good article status. |
![]() |
The Editor's Barnstar | |
For recognition of work on Malaysia. SilkTork * YES! 14:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC) |
This is a very useful, readable and professionally presented article. One of the best articles I've encountered. Now get working on building up other articles. Well done. SilkTork * YES! 14:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Heya, no problem. I understand. Hope you'll be back soon... and thanks for all your work on the Malaysia article! Cheers, Bejinhan talks 06:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Good to hear from you again, hope you can deal with RL in order to come back to the much more meaningful life found here on wikipedia. I like your message, the humour works, just if you were wondering. Anyway, just stopping by to say hi and welcome back and all that! Merry Christmas (soon enough) Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 09:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Yegorievsk regional Scout organization.svg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under non-free content criteria, but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to the file description page, and edit it to include a non-free rationale.
If you have uploaded other non-free media, consider checking that you have specified the non-free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the " my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions, please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. ww2censor ( talk) 16:01, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
You've been missed, everything okay?-- Kintetsubuffalo ( talk) 03:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
![]() | An editor thinks something might be wrong with this page. That editor can't be arsed to fix it, but can rest assured that they've done their encyclopaedic duty by sticking on a tag. Please allow this tag to languish indefinitely at the top of the page, since nobody knows exactly what the tagging editor was worked up about. |
(with apologies to anyone who feels this experiment was "fishing with hand grenades" - I plead guilty to that...)
Just as an experiment, since I use WP as "reference" myself, and partially to see if I'd be willing to come back and edit, I selected 2 articles I happened to be viewing, both of which had very old ugly tags right at the top - one was 4 years old - the other was about a year old.
Both articles were FAR FAR better than many of the "almost stubs" which the admin-wannabee kiddies and the like create and then blunder through to GA status to "score the points".
In both cases there had been no real effort to explain the reasons behind the tag, and certainly no effort from the tagger to engage in discussion, or improve the article.
Also, in both cases, the tag did nothing to explain WHAT was wrong - just that "some more references would be nice", and in the process spoilt otherwise good and informative articles.
Huge Orange exclamation marks proclaiming who knows what may mean something to us, but to a casual reader they just say "Alert - something wrong - go somewhere else".
Maybe it's just me as a designer that sees them as pug-ugly counterproductive shit - but I suspect not...
There must be better ways (categories/lists etc...) of flagging these articles. Ugly, scary tags that 99% of people viewing the article (remember the casual reader? - I met a few, once...) have no clue how to understand or interpret are, frankly, pathetic...
Both tags were replaced by editors who did nothing but that - replace the tag.
I politely invited talk page discussion in both cases, but none at all was forthcoming - just tag replacement.
I did this as an IP, because THAT'S WHAT MOST PEOPLE WHO READ WP ARE
I'm tempted to do it again as an established editor - I suspect neither tag replacement would be made in that case.
However, instead, I think I'll just alter my user page tags from Semi-Retired to Retired - since there really seems little point to any of this.
Welcome to the encyclopedia that anyone can edit - so long as it's for the benefit, or to the liking of, the guys in the editing club, and complies with their understanding of the game...
Sod the actual readers - why on earth would the end user matter ?
Ah, well...
Begoon• talk 18:30, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
p.s: One important thing I forgot to add: In the unlikely event that anyone reads to the end of this rant, and finds this: I strongly recommend that you try the experience of editing as an IP yourself once in a while. Just do your normal edits, but don't log in. I guarantee it will open your eyes to how the "encyclopedia anyone can edit" treats anonymous contributors... Adieu Begoon• talk 14:57, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Are you staying for a significant period of time? Any new thoughts on the whole IP issues? Chipmunkdavis ( talk) 02:09, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, ok, I understand now. I'm struggling with the same concepts that I know a lot of people are. Here's some of how my train of thought is currently:
...So: My best current conclusion from that is that before I get wrapped up in deciding why I think those specific areas of poor treatment occur - it might be best just to work out why we often don't treat people well in general. Current vague ideas include:
I could go on, but you get the idea.
I've decided that, rather than just going with the flow this time around, I can only be comfortable editing here if I feel everything I do has a chance to enhance my understanding of these things, and maybe even some ideas to change them. Relevant to all this - I've offered to help "mentor" one user who's fallen into a block, but he, I think is very upset right now, and seems to have "gone away to think about things" - so I don't know how that will pan out.
And, yes, I understand that greater minds than mine have grappled with all these thoughts already - nevertheless, I won't be happy until I've taken at least some steps to understand it all, and maybe, even, help make a difference somewhere, instead of just moaning about it. Possibly I'm just setting myself up with a huge timesink, which will benefit no-one, but it's my time to sink, so we'll see...
Bet you're glad you asked, now... :) - Begoon talk 11:13, 6 December 2011 (UTC)