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I kindly ask that you tone down your comments about me at AfD and focus on discussing the notability of the articles themselves instead of repeatedly bringing up the way I went about nominating them. I also ask that you strike the accusation "You took it upon yourself to prod and nom 10 individual articles, and even worse, you were planning to add, what – 8 more if an administrator had not stepped in?"
which you made
here, as it is a failure of
WP:AGF as well as factually incorrect. As I explained to you on my talk page, I prodded/nominated a single batch of articles. That was it. An editor (who as I later found out to be an admin, although they were not acting in that capacity as they were
WP:INVOLVED) commented several hours later asking me to stop, but that was a moot point as I had already gone through the batch. There were not 8 more articles in my queue. I'm asking you here so that you can retract it quietly instead of being dragged into an embarrassing community discussion about your personal attacks.
There's no requirement or norm to discuss with the article creator before nominating an article for deletion, so please stop bringing that up since it's not misconduct. When an article is nominated for deletion, it's because the topic is believed to be non-notable with no potential for improvement, so there would be no point in asking the creator to improve it. However, in the future I'll take care when nominating features that may be part of a larger body of work and consider discussing alternate ways to present the information. – dlthewave ☎ 15:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
"To give you an idea of my process, I typically nominate a batch of similar articles for PROD or AfD (in this case it was 18) and then wait to see what the outcome is before starting a new batch."Dlthewave, you said it was 18, so my comment was factually correct.19:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC) I will state facts as I have done at those AfDs, but as you stated above, you are the one who was asked by an admin to stop the prodding and nomming, when you still had 8 more to go in addition to the 10 you inundated us with at AfD. It felt more like an ambush against a longtime article creator who has numerous FAs under his belt. I did not see any co-noms in the mass AfD attempt; therefore, you did take it upon yourself to nominate all 10+/- of them individually, and not as a group per AFD recommendations. You should have taken the hint when the prods were removed, but instead you took them to AfD knowing full well that they are nationally protected geographic features, specifically named glacial lakes in the Grand Tetons = passes GNG per SNG GEOLAND.
I am a bit disappointed this discussion has acquired any heat, and I must take responsibility for my part in this. I asked Dlthewave in good faith to hold up in their process and they did as I asked. I appreciate how they've dealt with my (perhaps none-too-gentle) request. I had no intention to save MONGO's creations; he's a big boy and can defend his own pagespace. In no way did I intend to act like an authority or a sysop. I was merely trying to head off unnecessary conflict and prevent more prods or AfDs in which I would feel compelled to !vote against Dlthewave's intention. I have let those extant processes work largely without any assertions to this point, in order to demonstrate my good faith in Dlthewave's noms. On the merits, this is a healthy set of discussions to have (examination of GEOLAND, multi-page prodding, threshold of bare sourcing of a gazetteer). I was hoping to have a discussion on the merits without any undue personalization, but any AfD's adversarial nature tends to raise hackles. BusterD ( talk) 03:19, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
In your latest reply to me you said: "As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, your comments have no relevance to the notability of this article." You are right that you have repeatedly asserted that. May I suggest that looks a bit like WP:BLUDGEON - particularly when you did not answer how a subject can meet WP:GEOLAND when the text of that says:
Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river.
(my emphasis).
Throughout, what I have been hoping to see is some evidence of significant coverage of the subject somewhere, and instead of engaging in the discussion you keep just saying it clearly meets WP:GEOLAND. But it doesn't, does it? Because you cannot make an encyclopaedic article about every single one of the 400 lakes in Grand Teton and Yellowstone. Other than saying that they exist at a certain place, there is nothing. So per WP:GEOLAND we should be looking at "information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography."
It is clear you want these stubs to hang around. I don't know why, and you will probably have your way, because often the loudest voices win, and who can fault that? It doesn't make the encylopaedia better though, and I think you know that. Yet in the big plan, it is a small issue, and I see no benefit from replying to you further there. AfD is meant to be a discussion, but that discussion feels like a battleground to me.
The vast majority of pages on Wikipedia are mass produced stubs like these. People can create hundreds of these a day. Some people have created tens of thousands of them. AfD is an exhausting process, requires hours of editor time, whereas page creation is trivial. Every one of these could be deleted and in a week someone could create them again. Tbh the line of least resistance would have been to let them all go and then just make them again as and when someone actually has something to say about them! But that is up to you, and I won't object too strongly. In the big plan of things these are just a tiny symptom of a much larger issue. I would not have touched those because cleaning up that mess of a zillion stubs is a Sisyphean task. Until there is deletion at scale, Wikipedia will remain broken on that point.
But my reason for reaching out to you is to ask you to consider your approach here. You made a discussion about notability feel like something much more like a battleground. When you tell me my comments "have no relevance", that comes across - and I am sure this was unintentional on your part - as bludgeoning. Instead of discussing with me, you literally say that my view has no relevance. I am sure that is not what you meant to say, but it is what I heard. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 20:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Some SNGs have specialized functions: for example, the SNG for academics and professors and the SNG for geographic features operate according to principles that differ from the GNG.I've also read your comments on the UTP of Lightburst wherein you attempted to change her position. You also freely shared why you dislike stubs. That pretty much convinces me who among us needs to change their approach. WP:V, WP:GEOLAND, WP:EXIST and WP:CONTN, all apply to those lake articles. MONGO has already expanded some of the information in those articles, and other editors have also contributed, all of which provides increased assurances that those articles are not just stats and coords for those who cannot decipher the difference between stats & actual information. Unwarranted mass deletions have no place in WP. What WP needs more is collaboration, editors helping to find sources, and working together to expand stubs – and that is what helps build an encyclopedia. Atsme 💬 📧 02:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
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The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
For standing up and speaking up. Lightburst ( talk) 23:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC) |
![]() |
today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
today: birthday music for a friend, after hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral with flowers on a bench and a Rilke poem, and Non, je ne regrette rien -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
For better coordination of some aspects of NPP discussion, we have opened up a page that for some reason had been redirected since 2018. It is hoped that this will relieve the general NPP talk page and user talk pages of discussion on some aspects, principally those concerning the tasks of the coordinators. I've always been wary of the Board of Trustees, cautious with my enthusiasm for the WMF in general; and while it might possibly do a reasonably good job, I was very concerned about what I belive to be the little known true reason for the creation of the Wiki Education Foundation and its paid employees.
One Wikipedian I like immensely and trust implicitly is Bluerasberry. I have known him for a long time since we met for the first time in Brooklyn many years ago. Lane is one of the most enthusiastic and dynamic Wikipedians I have ever met, however he is extremely busy. He is nevertheless acutely aware of the incongruous money spending practices of the WMF and is a strong advocate of spending more money on direct support of the volunteer communities. NPP has urgent, very urgent software requirements among all its other issues that need to be addressed. I had been hoping to meet my friends and contacts at the next Wikimania which was scheduled to be on my doorstep in Bangkok in 2020. I fear however, that with now 4 (when including next year) real Wikimanias in a row having been cancelled, the huge saving of money on not holding the event, will motivate the WMF to abandon Wikimania permanently and use those funds for more non essential things.
These are some of the reasons is why I hold little credence in the claims at Phab that there are insufficient resources to address even the most simple but urgent Curation software bugs for which we have been waiting nearly 4 years to be repaired. In short, while I still can, I'm doing as much as possible for the new coords to move things forward with the part of the WMF with whom I still have good relations. Therefore to avoid any duplication of effort, please do look in at the new talk page for NPP functionality issues, and leave a comment on anything you wish to add to. For my part, I will be launching a poll among the 740 reviewers for feedback on their UX with the curation software, and working with the WMF devs of the IP Masking project and the new user Home Page project, in an endeavour to get a better new registration splash page made. These things are all part and parcel of the solutions to reduce the torrent of unsuitable pages in the feed, and to aim for a clean encyclopedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
*Proposal Wiki community has more partnerships with universities for certain technical projects.
Responses:
I would like more research partnerships with my school but I really am supposed to negotiate with paid staff, not volunteers. My own school does 100 of these projects a year among several hundred students. There are at least 20 schools right now doing public projects like my school. I wish many of these could connect with wiki community projects. Wikipedia could be an attractive research partner because the data is already public, people want to support Wikipedia, and the data is extremely well organized and interesting for many reasons. Doing analysis does not solve the original problems of code development, tool development, design, documentation, training, and user experience. We have a lot of problems here. The one that I wish I could address better was getting more analysis challenges to my students. I suppose what I want is meta:Wikimedia movement affiliates that can promise committed research partnerships with universities. WMF staff probably do not want these partnerships routinely because that would put them in conflict with wiki community often; however wiki community can do projects without that conflict because we decide when the time is right to explore various issues. I wish more money could go to wiki community organizations so that they could accept these partnerships, because although accepting research is fairly easy, I think it is too much commitment for a volunteer. Also universities are unlikely to believe that a volunteer can be reliable for a six month project. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Atsme. I know you've been active in New Pages Patrol and may be interested in who is working on this task. There is a "page curation log" which logs when pages which have been marked as reviewed:
Trust you find that helpful and interesting. wbm1058 ( talk) 15:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme, and thanks for your response at the meta TWL thread. You mentioned the difficulties you were having in your wee isle due to limited resources at TWL, and wanted to see if this idea would help. I live in an area with a very good library system, and some of TWL resources I have are more of a convenience (although they were more than that during the pandemic, when it was closed, but it's open again). So, if there were a way we could guarantee that you would be the one to snag a resource that I give up and not somebody else, basically swapping my access out for yours, I'd be willing to give some of them up. Maybe User:Nikkimaria or somebody could advise whether that's even possible. If I have access to certain resources that are more of a convenience to me but a necessity to you, that doesn't seem quite fair, so I'm open to considering a possible swap. You can send me some salt air or black sand or whatever the local specialty is in return (delivery via Commons). Lmk if interested. Mathglot ( talk) 23:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme, I'm so sorry to hear you lost your sister. Best wishes to you and your family. valereee ( talk) 11:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I will also offer my condolences, it is really hard to lose a loved one. I wish you the very best for the future, and I hope you have a good day. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 12:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
And from me too. I'm so sorry. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 14:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm so sorry, Atsme. I hope you can take some well-deserved time off with family. Ovinus ( talk) 17:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm very sad to hear you've lost a sibling. As you're aware, I went through a similar loss last summer myself. Know your chosen family supports you regardless of geography, and your sisterhood here is a part of your value to the community. We love you even when we disagree. BusterD ( talk) 02:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I know, I know, I'm retired and I am but I would be a terrible advocate for empathy and love if I didn't come here and express my heart. I am so, so sorry for the loss of your sister. I love you and when you hurt I hurt with you. I don't know the circumstances of your sisters relationship with you but I do know the interactions we have with those we love never leave us and are a part of our LifeSong. A small consolation for not having them in front us anymore but her Song now lives through you. What a beautiful gift we are given to carry the life of our loved ones with us. I have lost everyone (parents and grandparents) except my siblings, physically, but even some of them are lost to me in life. Mourn, remember, cherish and love them for who they were to you. It's okay to not know how to pick up broken pieces sometimes. This place was a refuge for me during a difficult time in my life too. You had a very specific role in that. Thank you, Atsme. Your love shined through and I honestly believe it's part of why I am alive today. I hope that encourages you. Keep walking! I'll keep singing over you.
--
ARose
Wolf 14:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme, I'm really sorry for your loss. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
So sorry for the loss of your loved one, Atsme. It's sometimes hard to know the plan, but you can take comfort in the fact that you and your sister are in thoughts of those who care for you. Even faceless wiki-friends. GenQuest "scribble" 16:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
My deepest sympathies and condolences go out to you Atsme. I know words can fall short in a time like this but I am glad to read that you are still making good memories. Best regards. MarnetteD| Talk 18:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
So sorry to hear this. BD2412 T 18:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I am without words, because there are none. I am going to keep it short and sweet: stay strong; hug those close to you. Life is too short, and I am thinking of you. House Blaster talk 02:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi there @ Atsme. First, I can see the post above. Very sorry to here - genuinely. Lost my mother two years ago, and I remember the raw pain so well. Very much wishing you the best.
Given the above, I will understand if you aren't quite up to NPPS school at present. However if you are, I'd love to participate. I am right at the end of CVUA, and looking to patrol new pages. Have been interested for a while. I have chosen you as a potential trainer because I like the style of training you offer. I can commit to steadily working with you till graduation, I will not waste your time.
Anyway, stay well. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 05:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Johnny Pierce. Might be deleted by now; I'll email you a saved copy if it is. Someone (
User:BishopRifle) created an AI-generated hoax article, at least it looks like one, spammed with copious fake references. The rest Some of his/her contributions look to also be hoaxes and I'll have to go through them.
Ovinus (
talk) 07:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
After discussing with my daughter who so gingerly stated that I've been moping too much this last week (Out of the mouth of babes), I've decided to help you and the Wikiproject for dogs in a very limited capacity. I'm not sure how much I can offer but I will do my best to assist the project. I still have a lot going on with winter preparations but I will start involving myself as soon as possible. If you have suggested things I can do to start with I would appreciate it. Also any advice you may can offer as you have been with the project for some time now. You asked that I not keep you waiting too long so, here I am.
--
ARose
Wolf 13:43, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
There is currently a discussion at
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
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Archive 40 | ← | Archive 45 | Archive 46 | Archive 47 | Archive 48 | Archive 49 | Archive 50 |
I kindly ask that you tone down your comments about me at AfD and focus on discussing the notability of the articles themselves instead of repeatedly bringing up the way I went about nominating them. I also ask that you strike the accusation "You took it upon yourself to prod and nom 10 individual articles, and even worse, you were planning to add, what – 8 more if an administrator had not stepped in?"
which you made
here, as it is a failure of
WP:AGF as well as factually incorrect. As I explained to you on my talk page, I prodded/nominated a single batch of articles. That was it. An editor (who as I later found out to be an admin, although they were not acting in that capacity as they were
WP:INVOLVED) commented several hours later asking me to stop, but that was a moot point as I had already gone through the batch. There were not 8 more articles in my queue. I'm asking you here so that you can retract it quietly instead of being dragged into an embarrassing community discussion about your personal attacks.
There's no requirement or norm to discuss with the article creator before nominating an article for deletion, so please stop bringing that up since it's not misconduct. When an article is nominated for deletion, it's because the topic is believed to be non-notable with no potential for improvement, so there would be no point in asking the creator to improve it. However, in the future I'll take care when nominating features that may be part of a larger body of work and consider discussing alternate ways to present the information. – dlthewave ☎ 15:38, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
"To give you an idea of my process, I typically nominate a batch of similar articles for PROD or AfD (in this case it was 18) and then wait to see what the outcome is before starting a new batch."Dlthewave, you said it was 18, so my comment was factually correct.19:13, 27 August 2022 (UTC) I will state facts as I have done at those AfDs, but as you stated above, you are the one who was asked by an admin to stop the prodding and nomming, when you still had 8 more to go in addition to the 10 you inundated us with at AfD. It felt more like an ambush against a longtime article creator who has numerous FAs under his belt. I did not see any co-noms in the mass AfD attempt; therefore, you did take it upon yourself to nominate all 10+/- of them individually, and not as a group per AFD recommendations. You should have taken the hint when the prods were removed, but instead you took them to AfD knowing full well that they are nationally protected geographic features, specifically named glacial lakes in the Grand Tetons = passes GNG per SNG GEOLAND.
I am a bit disappointed this discussion has acquired any heat, and I must take responsibility for my part in this. I asked Dlthewave in good faith to hold up in their process and they did as I asked. I appreciate how they've dealt with my (perhaps none-too-gentle) request. I had no intention to save MONGO's creations; he's a big boy and can defend his own pagespace. In no way did I intend to act like an authority or a sysop. I was merely trying to head off unnecessary conflict and prevent more prods or AfDs in which I would feel compelled to !vote against Dlthewave's intention. I have let those extant processes work largely without any assertions to this point, in order to demonstrate my good faith in Dlthewave's noms. On the merits, this is a healthy set of discussions to have (examination of GEOLAND, multi-page prodding, threshold of bare sourcing of a gazetteer). I was hoping to have a discussion on the merits without any undue personalization, but any AfD's adversarial nature tends to raise hackles. BusterD ( talk) 03:19, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
In your latest reply to me you said: "As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, your comments have no relevance to the notability of this article." You are right that you have repeatedly asserted that. May I suggest that looks a bit like WP:BLUDGEON - particularly when you did not answer how a subject can meet WP:GEOLAND when the text of that says:
Named natural features are often notable, provided information beyond statistics and coordinates is known to exist. This includes mountains, lakes, streams, islands, etc. The number of known sources should be considered to ensure there is enough verifiable content for an encyclopedic article. If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river.
(my emphasis).
Throughout, what I have been hoping to see is some evidence of significant coverage of the subject somewhere, and instead of engaging in the discussion you keep just saying it clearly meets WP:GEOLAND. But it doesn't, does it? Because you cannot make an encyclopaedic article about every single one of the 400 lakes in Grand Teton and Yellowstone. Other than saying that they exist at a certain place, there is nothing. So per WP:GEOLAND we should be looking at "information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography."
It is clear you want these stubs to hang around. I don't know why, and you will probably have your way, because often the loudest voices win, and who can fault that? It doesn't make the encylopaedia better though, and I think you know that. Yet in the big plan, it is a small issue, and I see no benefit from replying to you further there. AfD is meant to be a discussion, but that discussion feels like a battleground to me.
The vast majority of pages on Wikipedia are mass produced stubs like these. People can create hundreds of these a day. Some people have created tens of thousands of them. AfD is an exhausting process, requires hours of editor time, whereas page creation is trivial. Every one of these could be deleted and in a week someone could create them again. Tbh the line of least resistance would have been to let them all go and then just make them again as and when someone actually has something to say about them! But that is up to you, and I won't object too strongly. In the big plan of things these are just a tiny symptom of a much larger issue. I would not have touched those because cleaning up that mess of a zillion stubs is a Sisyphean task. Until there is deletion at scale, Wikipedia will remain broken on that point.
But my reason for reaching out to you is to ask you to consider your approach here. You made a discussion about notability feel like something much more like a battleground. When you tell me my comments "have no relevance", that comes across - and I am sure this was unintentional on your part - as bludgeoning. Instead of discussing with me, you literally say that my view has no relevance. I am sure that is not what you meant to say, but it is what I heard. Sirfurboy🏄 ( talk) 20:07, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Some SNGs have specialized functions: for example, the SNG for academics and professors and the SNG for geographic features operate according to principles that differ from the GNG.I've also read your comments on the UTP of Lightburst wherein you attempted to change her position. You also freely shared why you dislike stubs. That pretty much convinces me who among us needs to change their approach. WP:V, WP:GEOLAND, WP:EXIST and WP:CONTN, all apply to those lake articles. MONGO has already expanded some of the information in those articles, and other editors have also contributed, all of which provides increased assurances that those articles are not just stats and coords for those who cannot decipher the difference between stats & actual information. Unwarranted mass deletions have no place in WP. What WP needs more is collaboration, editors helping to find sources, and working together to expand stubs – and that is what helps build an encyclopedia. Atsme 💬 📧 02:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)
![]() |
The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
For standing up and speaking up. Lightburst ( talk) 23:02, 27 August 2022 (UTC) |
![]() |
today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt ( talk) 14:07, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
today: birthday music for a friend, after hiking in the Swiss Alps and a funeral with flowers on a bench and a Rilke poem, and Non, je ne regrette rien -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:49, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
For better coordination of some aspects of NPP discussion, we have opened up a page that for some reason had been redirected since 2018. It is hoped that this will relieve the general NPP talk page and user talk pages of discussion on some aspects, principally those concerning the tasks of the coordinators. I've always been wary of the Board of Trustees, cautious with my enthusiasm for the WMF in general; and while it might possibly do a reasonably good job, I was very concerned about what I belive to be the little known true reason for the creation of the Wiki Education Foundation and its paid employees.
One Wikipedian I like immensely and trust implicitly is Bluerasberry. I have known him for a long time since we met for the first time in Brooklyn many years ago. Lane is one of the most enthusiastic and dynamic Wikipedians I have ever met, however he is extremely busy. He is nevertheless acutely aware of the incongruous money spending practices of the WMF and is a strong advocate of spending more money on direct support of the volunteer communities. NPP has urgent, very urgent software requirements among all its other issues that need to be addressed. I had been hoping to meet my friends and contacts at the next Wikimania which was scheduled to be on my doorstep in Bangkok in 2020. I fear however, that with now 4 (when including next year) real Wikimanias in a row having been cancelled, the huge saving of money on not holding the event, will motivate the WMF to abandon Wikimania permanently and use those funds for more non essential things.
These are some of the reasons is why I hold little credence in the claims at Phab that there are insufficient resources to address even the most simple but urgent Curation software bugs for which we have been waiting nearly 4 years to be repaired. In short, while I still can, I'm doing as much as possible for the new coords to move things forward with the part of the WMF with whom I still have good relations. Therefore to avoid any duplication of effort, please do look in at the new talk page for NPP functionality issues, and leave a comment on anything you wish to add to. For my part, I will be launching a poll among the 740 reviewers for feedback on their UX with the curation software, and working with the WMF devs of the IP Masking project and the new user Home Page project, in an endeavour to get a better new registration splash page made. These things are all part and parcel of the solutions to reduce the torrent of unsuitable pages in the feed, and to aim for a clean encyclopedia. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:48, 8 July 2022 (UTC)
*Proposal Wiki community has more partnerships with universities for certain technical projects.
Responses:
I would like more research partnerships with my school but I really am supposed to negotiate with paid staff, not volunteers. My own school does 100 of these projects a year among several hundred students. There are at least 20 schools right now doing public projects like my school. I wish many of these could connect with wiki community projects. Wikipedia could be an attractive research partner because the data is already public, people want to support Wikipedia, and the data is extremely well organized and interesting for many reasons. Doing analysis does not solve the original problems of code development, tool development, design, documentation, training, and user experience. We have a lot of problems here. The one that I wish I could address better was getting more analysis challenges to my students. I suppose what I want is meta:Wikimedia movement affiliates that can promise committed research partnerships with universities. WMF staff probably do not want these partnerships routinely because that would put them in conflict with wiki community often; however wiki community can do projects without that conflict because we decide when the time is right to explore various issues. I wish more money could go to wiki community organizations so that they could accept these partnerships, because although accepting research is fairly easy, I think it is too much commitment for a volunteer. Also universities are unlikely to believe that a volunteer can be reliable for a six month project. Bluerasberry (talk) 13:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi Atsme. I know you've been active in New Pages Patrol and may be interested in who is working on this task. There is a "page curation log" which logs when pages which have been marked as reviewed:
Trust you find that helpful and interesting. wbm1058 ( talk) 15:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Atsme, and thanks for your response at the meta TWL thread. You mentioned the difficulties you were having in your wee isle due to limited resources at TWL, and wanted to see if this idea would help. I live in an area with a very good library system, and some of TWL resources I have are more of a convenience (although they were more than that during the pandemic, when it was closed, but it's open again). So, if there were a way we could guarantee that you would be the one to snag a resource that I give up and not somebody else, basically swapping my access out for yours, I'd be willing to give some of them up. Maybe User:Nikkimaria or somebody could advise whether that's even possible. If I have access to certain resources that are more of a convenience to me but a necessity to you, that doesn't seem quite fair, so I'm open to considering a possible swap. You can send me some salt air or black sand or whatever the local specialty is in return (delivery via Commons). Lmk if interested. Mathglot ( talk) 23:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme, I'm so sorry to hear you lost your sister. Best wishes to you and your family. valereee ( talk) 11:44, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I will also offer my condolences, it is really hard to lose a loved one. I wish you the very best for the future, and I hope you have a good day. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 12:36, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
And from me too. I'm so sorry. -- Tryptofish ( talk) 14:41, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm so sorry, Atsme. I hope you can take some well-deserved time off with family. Ovinus ( talk) 17:48, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
I'm very sad to hear you've lost a sibling. As you're aware, I went through a similar loss last summer myself. Know your chosen family supports you regardless of geography, and your sisterhood here is a part of your value to the community. We love you even when we disagree. BusterD ( talk) 02:19, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I know, I know, I'm retired and I am but I would be a terrible advocate for empathy and love if I didn't come here and express my heart. I am so, so sorry for the loss of your sister. I love you and when you hurt I hurt with you. I don't know the circumstances of your sisters relationship with you but I do know the interactions we have with those we love never leave us and are a part of our LifeSong. A small consolation for not having them in front us anymore but her Song now lives through you. What a beautiful gift we are given to carry the life of our loved ones with us. I have lost everyone (parents and grandparents) except my siblings, physically, but even some of them are lost to me in life. Mourn, remember, cherish and love them for who they were to you. It's okay to not know how to pick up broken pieces sometimes. This place was a refuge for me during a difficult time in my life too. You had a very specific role in that. Thank you, Atsme. Your love shined through and I honestly believe it's part of why I am alive today. I hope that encourages you. Keep walking! I'll keep singing over you.
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ARose
Wolf 14:36, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Atsme, I'm really sorry for your loss. Sir Joseph (talk) 15:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
So sorry for the loss of your loved one, Atsme. It's sometimes hard to know the plan, but you can take comfort in the fact that you and your sister are in thoughts of those who care for you. Even faceless wiki-friends. GenQuest "scribble" 16:09, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
My deepest sympathies and condolences go out to you Atsme. I know words can fall short in a time like this but I am glad to read that you are still making good memories. Best regards. MarnetteD| Talk 18:22, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
So sorry to hear this. BD2412 T 18:33, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
I am without words, because there are none. I am going to keep it short and sweet: stay strong; hug those close to you. Life is too short, and I am thinking of you. House Blaster talk 02:45, 27 July 2022 (UTC)
Hi there @ Atsme. First, I can see the post above. Very sorry to here - genuinely. Lost my mother two years ago, and I remember the raw pain so well. Very much wishing you the best.
Given the above, I will understand if you aren't quite up to NPPS school at present. However if you are, I'd love to participate. I am right at the end of CVUA, and looking to patrol new pages. Have been interested for a while. I have chosen you as a potential trainer because I like the style of training you offer. I can commit to steadily working with you till graduation, I will not waste your time.
Anyway, stay well. MaxnaCarta ( talk) 05:03, 26 July 2022 (UTC)
Johnny Pierce. Might be deleted by now; I'll email you a saved copy if it is. Someone (
User:BishopRifle) created an AI-generated hoax article, at least it looks like one, spammed with copious fake references. The rest Some of his/her contributions look to also be hoaxes and I'll have to go through them.
Ovinus (
talk) 07:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
After discussing with my daughter who so gingerly stated that I've been moping too much this last week (Out of the mouth of babes), I've decided to help you and the Wikiproject for dogs in a very limited capacity. I'm not sure how much I can offer but I will do my best to assist the project. I still have a lot going on with winter preparations but I will start involving myself as soon as possible. If you have suggested things I can do to start with I would appreciate it. Also any advice you may can offer as you have been with the project for some time now. You asked that I not keep you waiting too long so, here I am.
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ARose
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