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See Help:Minor edit for when to designate an edit as minor. David notMD ( talk) 11:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Clean it up a bit more, decide what to do with those questionable External links, and consider resubmitting. If declined, as least that next reviewer will identify what is needed. David notMD ( talk) 12:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
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Given that the copyright of the first image (painting of the mural) is problematic in a different way than the others, I recommend you remove it from the draft for the time being. If the photos of the mural survive the copyright discussion and the draft is accepted as an article (independent issues), you can work later on re-adding that image. David notMD ( talk) 02:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Arbybb
Thanks
I appreciate you interest in what I'm doing and your assistance. There is precious little written about the mural so my main challenge is finding references to cite. Thanks for your suggestion about finding a way to reintroduce the story about García Bustos being granted the commission. There is an online video in which the artist talks about the informal manner in which the governor asked him to craft the mural. A recently published book says that it was painted behind closed doors. I should be able to talk to one or two people who were involved in writing that book when I'm in Mexico. I know of one person who spoke to the artist while he was doing the work. I plan to speak to that person while I am in Oaxaca this winter. I know when the mural was officially inaugurated so local newspapers in Oaxaca might have something to say. Although they are not known for critical thinking. In other words there are more threads to weave together.
I would also like to find a way to include the sword, artificial leg and Hapsburg crown as symbols of defeated conservativism.
I did teach American and Canadian history years ago and underlying my interest in the mural is the desire to help visitors to México know more about the people and the country.
If the Wikipedia article is not accepted I'll build a website. In it I will be able to expand on many things. My original idea was to use the mural as a framework for a course in Oaxacan history. The expat community in Oaxaca runs similar courses. I have some 200 pages with photos for such a course.
Of course Covid has put the kibosh to courses. Wikipedia seems like a good venue to start to spread the word about this mural and the artist, but as I said at the beginning, the mural has not been promoted. One of the impediments is that indigenous protesters are permanently encamped at the entrance to the Palacio de Gobierno.
As you can gather, I'm a newbie. Though. Not exactly. I wrote another page about a hockey player, but it was straight forward. I did include new research and it was rightly removed. My enthusiasm for gaining his entry into Canada's Hockey Hall of Fame got the better of me.
I'll get the hang of this. One day. Or not.
ArbyBB ( talk) 15:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
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Please help me with... Hi The article in question is /info/en/?search=Oaxaca_en_la_historia_y_en_el_mito
My first issue is that I have difficulty navigating in Wikipedia, meaning I don't know how to resolve problems, where to go or what to do. For example, as I type now my test is underlined in red which I assume indicates a spelling mistake. Same thing with the article I started. I suspect it is because the Wikipedia interface thinks I am a Spanish-speaker, because I have a Spanish version of the article I generated. My guess is that I need to change disctionaries. Just tried to do a search on that but I cannot unless I leave this page. (I subsequently initiated another instance of Wikipedia and search inder chanfe disctionary and found nothing.)
I have major issues with limitations on the usage of images. A reviewer asked that all my images be reviewed, suggesting that I did not have to right to use them because the artist has not been dead for 100 years.
SOME KEY IMAGES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM WIKI COMMONS. AND OF COURSE THEY NO LONGER APPEAR IN THE ARTICLE. MY LOGIC SAYS THEY SHOULD ALL BE REMOVED. IF THAT HAPPENS, THE ARTICLE LOSES ITS PUNCH.
The images I have used are, I believe parallel to those in Wiki Commons related to the art of Diego Rivers. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diego_Rivera Here is the text from Wiki Commons.
These works or works by this artist may not be in the public domain, because the artist is still living or has not been dead for at least 100 years. Please do not upload photographs or scans of works by this artist, unless they meet one of the following exceptions: The work was first published in the United States and one of the United States public domain tags applies; The work is permitted by a legal exception such as freedom of panorama or de minimis; The work was released by the author or their heirs via E-mail confirmed authorization; The work was released by the author under an open license on their website, or an official account with a site such as Flickr; The work is known to be in the public domain for some other clear reason. Works of this artist first published before 1927 can be uploaded to English Wikipedia (see en:Template:PD-US-expired-abroad). For more information, see Commons:Licensing and Commons:Derivative works.
There was a discussion in Wiki Commons about my images and some were removed. I do no know how to find that discussion now. I did notice one day that someone set up a page where my images should be placed. It is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Murals_by_Arturo_Garc%C3%ADa_Bustos
I am in touch with Rina Lazo, who I think is the only surviving heir of Arturo Garcia Bustos, the artist who painted the images in Mexico that I need to use. She is delighted that I set up a Wikipedia page but when I informed her that it has been deemed that I cannot use the images she did not reply to my question as to wheter she had ever been involved in copyright issues associated tih her father's work. I could phone her.
Am I right? If I uploaded the images with the Diego Rivera proviso from above and if Rina Lazo sent me emails saying I could use the images, would I then be able to use them on Wikipedia? Is there a format for such a letter than you can direct me to, preferably in Spanish.
There is also the freedom of panaramo provion that I think are generous in Mexico. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama/Americas#Mexico But this is new stuff to me and maybe Wikipedia is an American entity and the rules of the USA apply, not Mexico. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States#Freedom_of_panorama We are talking about a mural in a public building that has been declared to be a museum.
ANY HELLP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS
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See Help:Minor edit for when to designate an edit as minor. David notMD ( talk) 11:57, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Clean it up a bit more, decide what to do with those questionable External links, and consider resubmitting. If declined, as least that next reviewer will identify what is needed. David notMD ( talk) 12:03, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Account sandboxes and drafts are not located by searches within Wikipedia or using outside search engines, but are visible to all editors (Who can also edit your sandbox or draft). That is why the blue button at the bottom is "Publish changes" rather than "Save." This confuses many people, as they expect that "Publish changes" publishes their article. If editors have left Comments on the draft, leave those in place, even if you feel that the problem has been remedied. Likewise, leave Declines in place. Once you succeed, the approving reviewer clears all that. David notMD ( talk) 13:55, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
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Given that the copyright of the first image (painting of the mural) is problematic in a different way than the others, I recommend you remove it from the draft for the time being. If the photos of the mural survive the copyright discussion and the draft is accepted as an article (independent issues), you can work later on re-adding that image. David notMD ( talk) 02:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. Arbybb
Thanks
I appreciate you interest in what I'm doing and your assistance. There is precious little written about the mural so my main challenge is finding references to cite. Thanks for your suggestion about finding a way to reintroduce the story about García Bustos being granted the commission. There is an online video in which the artist talks about the informal manner in which the governor asked him to craft the mural. A recently published book says that it was painted behind closed doors. I should be able to talk to one or two people who were involved in writing that book when I'm in Mexico. I know of one person who spoke to the artist while he was doing the work. I plan to speak to that person while I am in Oaxaca this winter. I know when the mural was officially inaugurated so local newspapers in Oaxaca might have something to say. Although they are not known for critical thinking. In other words there are more threads to weave together.
I would also like to find a way to include the sword, artificial leg and Hapsburg crown as symbols of defeated conservativism.
I did teach American and Canadian history years ago and underlying my interest in the mural is the desire to help visitors to México know more about the people and the country.
If the Wikipedia article is not accepted I'll build a website. In it I will be able to expand on many things. My original idea was to use the mural as a framework for a course in Oaxacan history. The expat community in Oaxaca runs similar courses. I have some 200 pages with photos for such a course.
Of course Covid has put the kibosh to courses. Wikipedia seems like a good venue to start to spread the word about this mural and the artist, but as I said at the beginning, the mural has not been promoted. One of the impediments is that indigenous protesters are permanently encamped at the entrance to the Palacio de Gobierno.
As you can gather, I'm a newbie. Though. Not exactly. I wrote another page about a hockey player, but it was straight forward. I did include new research and it was rightly removed. My enthusiasm for gaining his entry into Canada's Hockey Hall of Fame got the better of me.
I'll get the hang of this. One day. Or not.
ArbyBB ( talk) 15:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
Last two sentences in Cochineal appear to belong to the next section 21:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
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Please help me with... Hi The article in question is /info/en/?search=Oaxaca_en_la_historia_y_en_el_mito
My first issue is that I have difficulty navigating in Wikipedia, meaning I don't know how to resolve problems, where to go or what to do. For example, as I type now my test is underlined in red which I assume indicates a spelling mistake. Same thing with the article I started. I suspect it is because the Wikipedia interface thinks I am a Spanish-speaker, because I have a Spanish version of the article I generated. My guess is that I need to change disctionaries. Just tried to do a search on that but I cannot unless I leave this page. (I subsequently initiated another instance of Wikipedia and search inder chanfe disctionary and found nothing.)
I have major issues with limitations on the usage of images. A reviewer asked that all my images be reviewed, suggesting that I did not have to right to use them because the artist has not been dead for 100 years.
SOME KEY IMAGES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM WIKI COMMONS. AND OF COURSE THEY NO LONGER APPEAR IN THE ARTICLE. MY LOGIC SAYS THEY SHOULD ALL BE REMOVED. IF THAT HAPPENS, THE ARTICLE LOSES ITS PUNCH.
The images I have used are, I believe parallel to those in Wiki Commons related to the art of Diego Rivers. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Diego_Rivera Here is the text from Wiki Commons.
These works or works by this artist may not be in the public domain, because the artist is still living or has not been dead for at least 100 years. Please do not upload photographs or scans of works by this artist, unless they meet one of the following exceptions: The work was first published in the United States and one of the United States public domain tags applies; The work is permitted by a legal exception such as freedom of panorama or de minimis; The work was released by the author or their heirs via E-mail confirmed authorization; The work was released by the author under an open license on their website, or an official account with a site such as Flickr; The work is known to be in the public domain for some other clear reason. Works of this artist first published before 1927 can be uploaded to English Wikipedia (see en:Template:PD-US-expired-abroad). For more information, see Commons:Licensing and Commons:Derivative works.
There was a discussion in Wiki Commons about my images and some were removed. I do no know how to find that discussion now. I did notice one day that someone set up a page where my images should be placed. It is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Murals_by_Arturo_Garc%C3%ADa_Bustos
I am in touch with Rina Lazo, who I think is the only surviving heir of Arturo Garcia Bustos, the artist who painted the images in Mexico that I need to use. She is delighted that I set up a Wikipedia page but when I informed her that it has been deemed that I cannot use the images she did not reply to my question as to wheter she had ever been involved in copyright issues associated tih her father's work. I could phone her.
Am I right? If I uploaded the images with the Diego Rivera proviso from above and if Rina Lazo sent me emails saying I could use the images, would I then be able to use them on Wikipedia? Is there a format for such a letter than you can direct me to, preferably in Spanish.
There is also the freedom of panaramo provion that I think are generous in Mexico. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Freedom_of_panorama/Americas#Mexico But this is new stuff to me and maybe Wikipedia is an American entity and the rules of the USA apply, not Mexico. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory/United_States#Freedom_of_panorama We are talking about a mural in a public building that has been declared to be a museum.
ANY HELLP WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANKS
ArbyBB ( talk) 18:08, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
Hello ArbyBB! Your additions to
Oaxaca en la historia y en el mito have been removed in whole or in part, as they appear to have added copyrighted content without evidence that the source material is in the
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It's very important that contributors understand and follow these practices, as policy requires that people who persistently do not must be blocked from editing. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. — Diannaa ( talk) 14:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
The content I removed was two paragraphs from https://doi.org/10.2307/1008295, on the topic "notable battle in May of 1911". I was able to access the source article via Jstor. — Diannaa ( talk) 15:32, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
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