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Again, welcome! Hasteur ( talk) 11:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
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Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Newmanoconnor ( talk) 21:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
See your plethora of comments on WP:MMANOT talk page. Yes you have been calm and somewhat reasoned on some posts, but at this point, and for the majority of posts, you aren't doing anything but being disruptive and making accusations about people on personal missions, being bureaucrats, questioning their integrity and intelligence. You aren't helping anything. Why don't you spend some of this energy finding sources to prove why a single UFC event of your choosing is notable enough for a single article.
Newmanoconnor (
talk) 03:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
This is your final warning. Stop Filibustering, posting long diatribes regarding the unfairness, bureaucracy of wikipedia, entire arguments that the status quo for MMA articles "doesn't hurt anything", and deliberately attempting to derail the consensus process. The next posting you make on WT:MMANOT that strays into any of these realms, I will open a filing on the Administrator's Noticeboard asking for an outside Administrator to evaluate your posts in the context of "building a collaborative encyclopedia" to determine if sanctions (up to and including Topic banning you from all MMA related articles, blocking you from editing any wikipedia article,or banning you from the site entirely). This is not a threat, I am simply illuminating what the next step will be in the process. You've been warned my me, by other editors, and by an admin who is somewhat involved in the discussion. Please consider modifying your behavior as it is currently unacceptable. Hasteur ( talk) 11:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'm certainly willing to contribute regularly and heavily to any of the following: Individual pages, omnibuses, pre-existing indexes and proposed indexes. What I'm more reluctant to contribute to is the notability guidelines. If you continue putting together intelligent proposals, I will continue to support them. The real issue with contributing right now, is the deletionist horde operating in that space, who are intent on getting us to put work in, which they will then nominate for deletion. I really don't want to edit articles with people standing behind me just waiting for me to finish, so they can blank the work. Sunny Sundae Smile ( talk) 13:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't promising anything, but I think you'll like the ideas that are coming.... Hope you at least retain interest until Monday. :) Agent00f ( talk) 01:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
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The obvious subterfuge of this offer demonstrates that the message of the text was perceived to be a grave threat. Make no mistake, it was designed to be. Your 3RR threat is meaningless and I couldn't care less. Agent00f ( talk) 09:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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I have made a formal request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to ban Newmanoconnor, Mtking and TreyGeek banned from deleteing more MMA pages, any help would be good
ScottMMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMMA ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
-- Policy Reformer (c) 09:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent00f ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
The blocking admin only refers broadly to "filibustering", and "personal attacks" while failing to provide any actual reasoning to relate these accusations to my comments other than they're "unacceptable". The substantive content I've added only state directly observable facts of the case (which can admittedly shine a poor light on some users, as is rather the point of an AN), since admin decisions need to be based on a complete understanding of facts. Note this AN was only the latest by the same party (3 users) against me, so it was only appropriate to be detailed and verbose to avoid yet more frivolous AN's in the future. As far as I can tell, the Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise is only citing WP:TLDR, which doesn't exist, and blocking someone who isn't just tossing about 1-liner as seems to be the norm and therefore expected. Agent00f ( talk) 23:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Substantiation according to WP:GAB,
Finally, it's worth pointing out that Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise made this block without closure or even a note to the AN that was initially created as yet another frivolous harassment against me. Others are now allowed to make accusations unopposed; this seems wrong. Agent00f ( talk) 00:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Decline reason:
I guess you missed the part of GAB called NOTTHEM. Read that, then try again. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 02:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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Request reason:
The block only refers broadly to "filibustering", and "personal attacks" while failing to provide any actual reasoning to relate these accusations to my comments other than they're "unacceptable". The substantive content in question only state directly observable facts of the case, since admin decisions need to be based on a complete understanding of facts. It was entirely appropriate to be detailed and verbose to avoid yet more frivolous AN's in the future given this one was only the latest in a string against me. The blocking reason seems functionally equivalent to WP:TLDR, which AFAICT doesn't exist. Substantiation according to WP:GAB,
Decline reason:
Looking at your editing history, I see a solid battleground mentality, with multiple extensive posts which at their best are designed to explain why everyone you don't agree with doesn't know what they are talking about, and at their worst are full of accusations of evil conspiracies. I also see numerous unmistakable declarations that you regard yourself as on a sort of crusade to force through what you regard as the RIGHT view, against the forces of evil in the form of those who have different views from yourself. I see substantial disruption caused by huge numbers of unreasonably long diatribes. And so on and so on ... there are so many ways in which your editing is just not constructive, whatever your intentions may be. There is nothing to suggest that you would edit in any other way if you were unblocked: on the contrary, you deny that there is any problem with your editing, and make it perfectly clear that you have no intention of changing. The one thing about the block which, it seems to me, may be considered open to question, is that it is for so short a time. JamesBWatson ( talk) 08:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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Newmanoconnor (
talk) 22:20, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for continuing to validate the claims of WP:HARASSMENT terrorism by the MMA AfD clique targeting any dissent. No doubt 86.149.148.121 is hesitant to sign up since we all know that happens to people who speak out. I'll add this to the mountain of supporting evidence against the clique in only the latest of frivolous AN's SPI's against me.
Agent00f (
talk) 22:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
It's not harassment, it's genuine concern that you were evading a block. It's nothing to freak out over. FYI Hasteur came to your defense. I don't have any way to check a named accounts IP's, but apparently the suspicious one is from the UK, and Hasteur believes you are from the US...Or knows it. Not sure which. Newmanoconnor ( talk) 00:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent, I know you want to help out with the MMA fiasco, but you're going about it the wrong way. Right now, here's what your block says:
This stuff isn't really acceptable per community norms. I appreciate the fact that you're bringing a different perspective to the issue, but you need to do it in a calm, collected fashion. Use policy and diffs to re-enforce your points, not massive walls-of-text. I can assume good faith with all editors involved, because everyone is trying to better the 'pedia. There are holes in the policy right now, and that's what you, me, Anna, Trey, Connor, MtKing, et. all, are trying to plug up. It takes consensus, and consensus takes time. If you see a point you don't agree with, refute the point. Don't bash the editor. Don't refer to like-minded groups as cliques; it puts a barrier between you and them. We should all be working together, not against each other. Ish dar ian 04:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent00f has been retaliating against the relentless tyranny of a group of editors. The behavior of these editors has been some the worst I have ever seen on Wikipedia. I commend Agent for taking this on all by himself. Portillo ( talk) 01:09, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
About your e-mail request: that was an autoblock, probably triggered because you tried to open a page for editing some time during the last 24 hours before the block expired. It's not something we admins have control over, and I must say I find the way it is implemented by the software quite confusing and not very useful, but as I said, we can't do anything about it except to manually remove it whenever somebody complains about it. Since you are now editing again, I suppose it's expired in the meantime. Sorry for the trouble. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your email. Here are a few replies to some of your points.
1. If you look at this edit, you will see that the content I restored had indeed been placed there by you. The formatting was different, because the process of copying used in declining or accepting an unblock request does not always maintain the format, and this gave a different impression, but the text was that which you had posted.
2. You wanted me to take the effort to adjust the formatting to make it "remotely readable". It was readable, although perhaps not neat. I could indeed check every time I do something such as accepting or declining an unblock request on the off chance that this is one of the few occasions where the user has used formatting that has not been maintained, and then spend time prettifying the formatting. I am not sure that would be the best use of the time I have available for work on Wikipedia, but I will consider it. Thanks for the suggestion.
3. You ask me to be more "conscientious". If you can tell me in what way you think my conscience has been wanting, then I will consider whether I agree, and if so what I can do to improve.
4. You say that I am "unprofessional". Indeed I am, as all Wikipedia editors are. We are all amateurs, and being "unprofessional" is not a criticism of someone who is not supposed to be professional. JamesBWatson ( talk) 20:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Replied. Ish dar ian 03:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
...for all you've done to protect Wikipedia, MMA and rational thought from a small, but extremely determined, deletionist bureaucracy. Your time was not sacrificed in vain, though it can seem that way at times. InedibleHulk ( talk) 21:40, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability with this edit, did not appear to be constructive, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Darry2385 ( talk) 01:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
As per the procedures, I wanted to make you aware of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f. The process is voluntary and designed to bring in outside viewpoints from the dispute to attempt to negotiate a solution. Hasteur ( talk) 01:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I too am running afoul of RFC/U's strongly constrained technical requirements. However, NCM is an excellent moderator and, if NCM strongly recommends not ignoring rules because it improves the discussion (because of high risk of being derailed), I affirm. The basic requirement is that outside users are limited to writing their own outside views, asking questions of the participants, and endorsing briefly the views of others; participants are also allowed to answer questions. Each of these has its own place. Recommendation of solutions can also be done by anyone. For the sake of clarity it's best to stick with these, and though I think I told you somewhere that adding an "@JJB" section to your view (response) is acceptable, it appears this is probably not best practice. Discussion seems to be progressing toward appropriate closure, however. JJB 18:10, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
TLDR the above. I made a couple substantive comments on the pages you are editing, and wanted to give you a belated welcome to a process that involves great difficulty but also often eventually "works out". There are a few policy considerations that we may have time to clear up, but I wanted to start with a simple test case. You seemed to imply once or twice that you have edited MMA articles under IP or a separate account. In the interests of total transparency, especially when your motives are being questioned, it is best to be upfront about what this may involve; you may believe that this would invite deletionist or vindictive responses, but you don't need to be worried about the local consensus because the community interests are much better served by the transparency and that helps you get the local consensus built.
In short, policy on alternate accounts is very explicit: "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts" is a plain "must not" category, and this is widely construed, so if one account contributes to talk and another to mainspace on the same single-purpose topic, it is best to admit it. Have you edited WP under any IPs or any other account name, and can you provide details please? (If the first answer is "Yes" and you are discovered dodging that fact later, that would be about the worst case for your interests. However, if it's "Yes" and you have other concerns, state them frankly, as Wikipedia familiarity with methods of using alternate accounts will usually result in a reasonable stock answer for the concerns.) Thank you for your consideration to this threshold question. JJB 14:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Hasteur suggests, 'I am open to a currently uninvolved editor agreed to by both sides in the dispute being appointed as a "Judge of Conduct" on behalf of Agent00f. If editors raise a polite request for Agent to not do something that is rejected, the editor may go to the JoC for a ruling to determine if it is a real problem or if it's just the editor being cranky.' This is a good compromise proposal and falls within WP:MENTOR guidelines. In DR, it is important for the mentee (or "protege") to be able to accept voluntarily terms where the mentor would have certain supervisory powers. Would you be willing to use a hypothetical mentor if (a) you would get to agree with the certifiers on who it would be and (b) you would be required to submit to the mentor's rulings? JJB 19:07, 17 May 2012 (UTC) Also, thank you for admitting #13 was intemperate. The admission is a big deal to people. From there it's a short step to be able to pull up the page and add <s> and </s> around the first clause of that sentence, and it does wonders for your stance before accusers. Is that something you could do please? JJB 19:13, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Implying that a particular admin would "jump on a bandwagon" or block without knowing what's going on, as you did here, that's a personal attack. I'm sure Qwyrxian doesn't mind this rather feeble attack on his character, but that's beside the point. You and the concept of civility need to get better acquainted. Drmies ( talk) 22:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Advice: do not reply to drmies. He is angry at you. Yes, you must let your accusers vent. You have made good points but continuing to engage with your detractors is to remain stuck. Let them have the last word. It shows maturity. Don't defend yourself tonight. Before you post more at your user RfD ask for outside input. You are upset. You do need some help through this. Tempers will calm down but you need to wait. Stop commenting. If you comment point out your willingness to work with a mentor or go to mediation. Make no reference to "him" or "them" or "people like them." Skip those comments. Write in a Word document then close it and drink a glass of water. Then read it and take out anything defensive or about people you are unhappy with. Keep a low profile. Goodnight. Factseducado ( talk) 04:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to bed. About your user RfC, I think it may be wise to not comment more tonight. You don't need to rise to attacks. It's not productive. I can go make comments early tomorrow if you tell me what you think is very important to address. If you can't resist commenting then I wonder if it feels like an option to point out that you are open to both mediation and mentoring and say nothing more. If you feel you have to say more, you could admit being wrong about something. You could admit that you wish you had never written the OCD comment. Real people have OCD and sometimes they require surgery because the problem is so bad. Obviously you don't want to pick on people who have medical problems. At the same time it is very important that you ignore people you might feel are being mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factseducado ( talk • contribs) 04:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent,
I would like to hold up your side of the MMA discussion for a little bit so that you don't tip over the edge to a ban of some kind. Would you communicate with me about some of the points that need making in various venues so you can get a bit of a breather. Soldiers need R&R and you are a bit too close to this unhappiness.
Yours truly,
Factseducado ( talk) 23:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. The mains points can IMO be culled from this section in the RfC. Here are also some more short MMA topic specific points:
This is just a starter of the most important point, and as always please feel to ask questions. My email link is also activated. Thanks. Agent00f ( talk) 00:30, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent needs all the help he can get. He has been going at this all by himself. Although Ive been editing Wikipedia for years, Im unfamiliar with Wikipedia politics. This whole situation has actually made me thankful that I am unfamiliar with the bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Portillo ( talk) 09:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent00f,
Things are slowing down regarding more unhappiness with you. I can see you have stopped commenting as I advised. That was really a smart choice.
For today it's a good idea for you to post on your talk page and let other people hash out ideas on MMANOT and your user RfC. If you really want to write something, how about trying it out on me here on your talk page first? I'll keep an eye out here so I can let you know if it's best to remain silent or say something that is constructively phrased.
The longer you stay completely away from responding to unhappy comments, the more points you get for being reasonable. Remember you job now is to be the most reasonable person in the discussion. The best way to do that today is to not discuss the unhappy topics.
How about we brainstorm any other area of WP you could write something of value on? Maybe you know a good source for an article in need of some help. Your willingness to demonstrate you want to help WP be as good as possible could reflect really well on you. That RfC/U may remain open for a long time. In the meantime, you can show how mature and helpful you are. I know you have a lot to offer. Factseducado ( talk) 18:25, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I am going to bed. This has been a very full, busy day for me on WP. Some people appear to be unhappy about some things I have written but it is unclear to me what is making them unhappy.
Your conduct was unimpeachable today. Hopefully, your continued calm, low profile reaction will help them accept that you are not interested in arguing or defending yourself. I regret that I do not think tomorrow looks like a good day for you to participate on your user RfC site. It is not a happy place right now.
I hope to not have much to say at your user RfC tomorrow. The situation as I see it has been sufficiently explained at your user RfC. I'll keep an eye out for anything new there tomorrow. I am hoping that at some point participants there (aside from DGG, JJB, and Portillo) will feel they have fully expressed their interests. It helps that they cannot get your hackles up because you are not responding.
Perhaps you could test out some ideas on things you'd like to write on the MMANOT site here, if you feel there are things you'd like to be able to add. I'll keep checking here, at MMANOT, and at your user RfC.
Take care. Factseducado ( talk) 02:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 149: Aldo vs. Koch (2nd nomination), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Mt king (edits) 08:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent00f, I'll go look at that MMA page this second. In the meantime please do not communicate with anyone anywhere on WP except me, Portillo, JJB, or DGG. I am unaware of who else is currently feeling they are able to assume good faith with you. This is not in any way for some punitive reason. I am really trying to help you and I have seen unspecified problems. This is not a good environment for you today. Again I'm on my way over to see what has been written, by whom and when. Maybe I'll know more when I've done that. Wish me luck. Factseducado ( talk) 15:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm back. I have looked it over as thoroughly as I can. I don't see an attack. I do see that a user or users is/are changing comments another user or users have written. It makes it very difficult for me to see the chronology of what has gone on. I am starting a new section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factseducado ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent00f, I know how willing to listen to advice you have been every time we have interacted. So let's communicate here now, alright?
You definitely don't have to say anything that makes you uncomfortable.
Thanks,
Factseducado ( talk) 16:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
You definitely made progress understanding your role in the future at WP. How about walking away and waiting a day for responses or longer. How about 12 hours? Remember it's your job to be the most reasonable person in the discussion and to walk away frequently just because you have been unhappy in that environment in the past.
Congratulations on your hard work and improvement. It is a challenging situation and you are showing maturity.
Factseducado ( talk) 22:23, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
As one who loves having information, I'd like to introduce you to the X!'s Edit Counter. The tool allows all sorts of interesting analysis in what people work on. While It's not required, I'd like to invite you to opt into the counter for the purpose of looking for areas you might want to edit in. Thank you for your consideration. Hasteur ( talk) 21:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
As I said, User:Ryan Vesey is willing to "co-mentor" you as adopter, meaning he would do the decisionmaking (including being approached by editors who object to incivility if any), and would have User:Wehwalt serve as go-to admin for any consultation, and if a block decision were ever needed. While I would hate to be in your position (and have been pretty close to it before), I would encourage you to communicate with Ryan and formalize this relationship, independently of whether anyone else thinks it should be done. That way if things go wrong later you have an audit trail demonstrating your compliance with policy. Mentoring and adopting are very common for new editors anyway, but they are also used when there is hope for an accused editor to grow beyond behavior that tempts others to make accusations.
I am not likely to take too much part in the conduct side as things go on, but certainly feel free to contact me if you think I would be interested in a page of any kind. So I am leaving this recommendation in your hands, having found the willing parties. I believe acting on it will strongly favor your interests. As to content, the way to reach policy consensus is through gradualism, which takes patience and leads to the aha! moments where meeting of the minds is accomplished. The same is true of the path to justice. JJB 14:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Digression: since you asked, there are 23 people ahead of you at WP:SPI#Case status summary, which is a bit of a backlog; just let that one go. The request by Drmies to (improperly) close RFC/U is slightly older and is more ignored than the SPI, and in all honesty the SPI will probably close first. (It's hard to get over the game of "comment on everything" and you might even see me still playing it at VPP; but it's a good idea, when you click "edit this page" with yet another thought for the entire cyberspace universe, to ask yourself whether the page (and your time) would benefit by not sharing the thought immediately. Maybe an hour later the reason for sharing would be gone.) This comment itself is probably part of the "game", so let me digress back. I affirm, you're conducting yourself much better at VPP now than on other previous boards, though the occasional angular sentence still shows, prompting me to give you another nudge. Ride out this storm, search for some frequently misspelled words and correct them in mainspace for instance. And by all means, resist the temptation (as I should also) of perpetually "checking" the watchlist ("checking" is a symptom of that unnameable three-letter mental illness, or syndrome or whatever). God go with you. JJB 21:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at ANI by Dmcq! (Laughing hard.) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive edits by User:John J. Bulten. JJB 01:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent. I have a request, would you have a look at my suggestion, and the discussion at Talk:2012 in UFC events/Archive 3#Another way to organise. My statement to you is this:
I would like your opinion on how we can improve it, because if it is going to be here, it might as well be easy to use. Keep in mind my request in the section though, I just want to discuss how to improve the article, not the merits of it, or how other editors are trying to disrupt MMA. I just want to improve the article as best I can, because frankly, it doesn't look like it is going anywhere. Note this is only if you have interest in improving the article, if your position is delete at all costs, I would appreciate your staying away, as I want to dedicate this section to constructive improvement of the article that we currently have. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
Hello, Agent00f. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.
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Hey, I just wanted to say that I understand your POV for re-establishing articles. With your continued effort, we can really show the importance and notability of saving these articles for future readers. Here are some links you should look at to refute the opposition:
Autokid15 ( talk) 22:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Agent, I closed the request for comment on your editing style because I didn't think there was sufficient consensus on what (if any) action should be taken against you. However in my closing remarks I did note that it was established that your lengthy talk page contributions were disruptive and that "I do judge that there is a consensus that Agent00f has a long way to go to become a net positive contributor here." I counselled people to hold off and wait to see what your talk page conduct was like. There was then a lull but early this month you started lengthy contributions to these two AfD discussions UFC1 155 and UFC 156.
In those discussions you have been intemperate, accused other editors of lying, of shameless behaviour, of being ignorant and exhibited many other examples of poor behaviour. Please stop. You've made your !vote at the AfDs and badgering subsequent opinions is not going to help your cause. I fully realise that you will not feel this warning to you is justified and that you have expressed only what is true and that you have not made any attacks. Nevertheless I judge that your present behaviour at those AfDs is disruptive and I'm letting you know that if it continues or emerges in other ares I will block you to prevent further disruption to the encyclopaedia. I will present any such block at WP:AN/I for review but please don't be in any doubt that you must edit more collegially or face not being able to edit at all. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
No the irrelevance to the topic started when you turned the discussion on to one about me personally and away from Flags at MMA articles if you disagree where the hat should go then please take it to WP:ANI, continual reverting is disruptive. Mt king (edits) 08:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Off-wiki canvassing (MMA). Thank you. Hasteur ( talk) 21:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
I have blocked you for an indef period of time for severe violations of user conduct document at ANI. If you wish to appeal this block, please see WP:GAB. MBisanz talk 17:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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I'd really appreciate it if someone can explain how such a block was even on the table given it's a reddit AMA/Q&A done via invite after someone else's AMA and had nothing to do with voting or anything mentioned in WP:Canvas. The rationale from the discussion appears to be WP:IDONTLIKEHIM is which isn't something I can fix. Agent00f ( talk) 3:23 am, Today (UTC+0)
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You specifically requested other readers of your Reddit post to vist MMA-related AFDs and !vote in support of keeping them ("One place to focus efforts are the immediate AfD's (articles for deletion) themselves... If you do come across one (WP:NOT (specifically "not a newspaper") seems to be the main contention these days), you need to cite reasons from the linked wiki policies why it should be kept.") This is clear off-wiki canvassing (specifically, it's a form of both votestacking and stealth canvassing). Protesting otherwise is not going to get you unblocked. Yunshui 雲 水 09:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MMA#MMA_Event_Notability. Kevlar ( talk) 18:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Blocking_of_participants_in_this_wikiproject.3F. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 00:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
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Again, welcome! Hasteur ( talk) 11:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we would ask that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Hasteur ( talk) 11:46, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Newmanoconnor ( talk) 21:13, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
See your plethora of comments on WP:MMANOT talk page. Yes you have been calm and somewhat reasoned on some posts, but at this point, and for the majority of posts, you aren't doing anything but being disruptive and making accusations about people on personal missions, being bureaucrats, questioning their integrity and intelligence. You aren't helping anything. Why don't you spend some of this energy finding sources to prove why a single UFC event of your choosing is notable enough for a single article.
Newmanoconnor (
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This is your final warning. Stop Filibustering, posting long diatribes regarding the unfairness, bureaucracy of wikipedia, entire arguments that the status quo for MMA articles "doesn't hurt anything", and deliberately attempting to derail the consensus process. The next posting you make on WT:MMANOT that strays into any of these realms, I will open a filing on the Administrator's Noticeboard asking for an outside Administrator to evaluate your posts in the context of "building a collaborative encyclopedia" to determine if sanctions (up to and including Topic banning you from all MMA related articles, blocking you from editing any wikipedia article,or banning you from the site entirely). This is not a threat, I am simply illuminating what the next step will be in the process. You've been warned my me, by other editors, and by an admin who is somewhat involved in the discussion. Please consider modifying your behavior as it is currently unacceptable. Hasteur ( talk) 11:47, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
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I'm certainly willing to contribute regularly and heavily to any of the following: Individual pages, omnibuses, pre-existing indexes and proposed indexes. What I'm more reluctant to contribute to is the notability guidelines. If you continue putting together intelligent proposals, I will continue to support them. The real issue with contributing right now, is the deletionist horde operating in that space, who are intent on getting us to put work in, which they will then nominate for deletion. I really don't want to edit articles with people standing behind me just waiting for me to finish, so they can blank the work. Sunny Sundae Smile ( talk) 13:01, 4 May 2012 (UTC)
I can't promising anything, but I think you'll like the ideas that are coming.... Hope you at least retain interest until Monday. :) Agent00f ( talk) 01:11, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
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You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
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Mt king (edits) 07:28, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
The obvious subterfuge of this offer demonstrates that the message of the text was perceived to be a grave threat. Make no mistake, it was designed to be. Your 3RR threat is meaningless and I couldn't care less. Agent00f ( talk) 09:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Call for sanctions. Thank you. Hasteur ( talk) 00:05, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
I have made a formal request at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to ban Newmanoconnor, Mtking and TreyGeek banned from deleteing more MMA pages, any help would be good
ScottMMA — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottMMA ( talk • contribs) 03:54, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
-- Policy Reformer (c) 09:50, 6 May 2012 (UTC)
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The blocking admin only refers broadly to "filibustering", and "personal attacks" while failing to provide any actual reasoning to relate these accusations to my comments other than they're "unacceptable". The substantive content I've added only state directly observable facts of the case (which can admittedly shine a poor light on some users, as is rather the point of an AN), since admin decisions need to be based on a complete understanding of facts. Note this AN was only the latest by the same party (3 users) against me, so it was only appropriate to be detailed and verbose to avoid yet more frivolous AN's in the future. As far as I can tell, the Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise is only citing WP:TLDR, which doesn't exist, and blocking someone who isn't just tossing about 1-liner as seems to be the norm and therefore expected. Agent00f ( talk) 23:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
Substantiation according to WP:GAB,
Finally, it's worth pointing out that Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise made this block without closure or even a note to the AN that was initially created as yet another frivolous harassment against me. Others are now allowed to make accusations unopposed; this seems wrong. Agent00f ( talk) 00:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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I guess you missed the part of GAB called NOTTHEM. Read that, then try again. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい) 02:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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The block only refers broadly to "filibustering", and "personal attacks" while failing to provide any actual reasoning to relate these accusations to my comments other than they're "unacceptable". The substantive content in question only state directly observable facts of the case, since admin decisions need to be based on a complete understanding of facts. It was entirely appropriate to be detailed and verbose to avoid yet more frivolous AN's in the future given this one was only the latest in a string against me. The blocking reason seems functionally equivalent to WP:TLDR, which AFAICT doesn't exist. Substantiation according to WP:GAB,
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Looking at your editing history, I see a solid battleground mentality, with multiple extensive posts which at their best are designed to explain why everyone you don't agree with doesn't know what they are talking about, and at their worst are full of accusations of evil conspiracies. I also see numerous unmistakable declarations that you regard yourself as on a sort of crusade to force through what you regard as the RIGHT view, against the forces of evil in the form of those who have different views from yourself. I see substantial disruption caused by huge numbers of unreasonably long diatribes. And so on and so on ... there are so many ways in which your editing is just not constructive, whatever your intentions may be. There is nothing to suggest that you would edit in any other way if you were unblocked: on the contrary, you deny that there is any problem with your editing, and make it perfectly clear that you have no intention of changing. The one thing about the block which, it seems to me, may be considered open to question, is that it is for so short a time. JamesBWatson ( talk) 08:43, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
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Newmanoconnor (
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Thanks for continuing to validate the claims of WP:HARASSMENT terrorism by the MMA AfD clique targeting any dissent. No doubt 86.149.148.121 is hesitant to sign up since we all know that happens to people who speak out. I'll add this to the mountain of supporting evidence against the clique in only the latest of frivolous AN's SPI's against me.
Agent00f (
talk) 22:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
It's not harassment, it's genuine concern that you were evading a block. It's nothing to freak out over. FYI Hasteur came to your defense. I don't have any way to check a named accounts IP's, but apparently the suspicious one is from the UK, and Hasteur believes you are from the US...Or knows it. Not sure which. Newmanoconnor ( talk) 00:15, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent, I know you want to help out with the MMA fiasco, but you're going about it the wrong way. Right now, here's what your block says:
This stuff isn't really acceptable per community norms. I appreciate the fact that you're bringing a different perspective to the issue, but you need to do it in a calm, collected fashion. Use policy and diffs to re-enforce your points, not massive walls-of-text. I can assume good faith with all editors involved, because everyone is trying to better the 'pedia. There are holes in the policy right now, and that's what you, me, Anna, Trey, Connor, MtKing, et. all, are trying to plug up. It takes consensus, and consensus takes time. If you see a point you don't agree with, refute the point. Don't bash the editor. Don't refer to like-minded groups as cliques; it puts a barrier between you and them. We should all be working together, not against each other. Ish dar ian 04:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent00f has been retaliating against the relentless tyranny of a group of editors. The behavior of these editors has been some the worst I have ever seen on Wikipedia. I commend Agent for taking this on all by himself. Portillo ( talk) 01:09, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
About your e-mail request: that was an autoblock, probably triggered because you tried to open a page for editing some time during the last 24 hours before the block expired. It's not something we admins have control over, and I must say I find the way it is implemented by the software quite confusing and not very useful, but as I said, we can't do anything about it except to manually remove it whenever somebody complains about it. Since you are now editing again, I suppose it's expired in the meantime. Sorry for the trouble. Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your email. Here are a few replies to some of your points.
1. If you look at this edit, you will see that the content I restored had indeed been placed there by you. The formatting was different, because the process of copying used in declining or accepting an unblock request does not always maintain the format, and this gave a different impression, but the text was that which you had posted.
2. You wanted me to take the effort to adjust the formatting to make it "remotely readable". It was readable, although perhaps not neat. I could indeed check every time I do something such as accepting or declining an unblock request on the off chance that this is one of the few occasions where the user has used formatting that has not been maintained, and then spend time prettifying the formatting. I am not sure that would be the best use of the time I have available for work on Wikipedia, but I will consider it. Thanks for the suggestion.
3. You ask me to be more "conscientious". If you can tell me in what way you think my conscience has been wanting, then I will consider whether I agree, and if so what I can do to improve.
4. You say that I am "unprofessional". Indeed I am, as all Wikipedia editors are. We are all amateurs, and being "unprofessional" is not a criticism of someone who is not supposed to be professional. JamesBWatson ( talk) 20:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
Replied. Ish dar ian 03:22, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
...for all you've done to protect Wikipedia, MMA and rational thought from a small, but extremely determined, deletionist bureaucracy. Your time was not sacrificed in vain, though it can seem that way at times. InedibleHulk ( talk) 21:40, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits, such as the one you made to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mixed martial arts/MMA notability with this edit, did not appear to be constructive, and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and read the welcome page to learn more about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Darry2385 ( talk) 01:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
As per the procedures, I wanted to make you aware of Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Agent00f. The process is voluntary and designed to bring in outside viewpoints from the dispute to attempt to negotiate a solution. Hasteur ( talk) 01:27, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
I too am running afoul of RFC/U's strongly constrained technical requirements. However, NCM is an excellent moderator and, if NCM strongly recommends not ignoring rules because it improves the discussion (because of high risk of being derailed), I affirm. The basic requirement is that outside users are limited to writing their own outside views, asking questions of the participants, and endorsing briefly the views of others; participants are also allowed to answer questions. Each of these has its own place. Recommendation of solutions can also be done by anyone. For the sake of clarity it's best to stick with these, and though I think I told you somewhere that adding an "@JJB" section to your view (response) is acceptable, it appears this is probably not best practice. Discussion seems to be progressing toward appropriate closure, however. JJB 18:10, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
TLDR the above. I made a couple substantive comments on the pages you are editing, and wanted to give you a belated welcome to a process that involves great difficulty but also often eventually "works out". There are a few policy considerations that we may have time to clear up, but I wanted to start with a simple test case. You seemed to imply once or twice that you have edited MMA articles under IP or a separate account. In the interests of total transparency, especially when your motives are being questioned, it is best to be upfront about what this may involve; you may believe that this would invite deletionist or vindictive responses, but you don't need to be worried about the local consensus because the community interests are much better served by the transparency and that helps you get the local consensus built.
In short, policy on alternate accounts is very explicit: "Contributing to the same page or discussion with multiple accounts" is a plain "must not" category, and this is widely construed, so if one account contributes to talk and another to mainspace on the same single-purpose topic, it is best to admit it. Have you edited WP under any IPs or any other account name, and can you provide details please? (If the first answer is "Yes" and you are discovered dodging that fact later, that would be about the worst case for your interests. However, if it's "Yes" and you have other concerns, state them frankly, as Wikipedia familiarity with methods of using alternate accounts will usually result in a reasonable stock answer for the concerns.) Thank you for your consideration to this threshold question. JJB 14:26, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Hasteur suggests, 'I am open to a currently uninvolved editor agreed to by both sides in the dispute being appointed as a "Judge of Conduct" on behalf of Agent00f. If editors raise a polite request for Agent to not do something that is rejected, the editor may go to the JoC for a ruling to determine if it is a real problem or if it's just the editor being cranky.' This is a good compromise proposal and falls within WP:MENTOR guidelines. In DR, it is important for the mentee (or "protege") to be able to accept voluntarily terms where the mentor would have certain supervisory powers. Would you be willing to use a hypothetical mentor if (a) you would get to agree with the certifiers on who it would be and (b) you would be required to submit to the mentor's rulings? JJB 19:07, 17 May 2012 (UTC) Also, thank you for admitting #13 was intemperate. The admission is a big deal to people. From there it's a short step to be able to pull up the page and add <s> and </s> around the first clause of that sentence, and it does wonders for your stance before accusers. Is that something you could do please? JJB 19:13, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Implying that a particular admin would "jump on a bandwagon" or block without knowing what's going on, as you did here, that's a personal attack. I'm sure Qwyrxian doesn't mind this rather feeble attack on his character, but that's beside the point. You and the concept of civility need to get better acquainted. Drmies ( talk) 22:46, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Advice: do not reply to drmies. He is angry at you. Yes, you must let your accusers vent. You have made good points but continuing to engage with your detractors is to remain stuck. Let them have the last word. It shows maturity. Don't defend yourself tonight. Before you post more at your user RfD ask for outside input. You are upset. You do need some help through this. Tempers will calm down but you need to wait. Stop commenting. If you comment point out your willingness to work with a mentor or go to mediation. Make no reference to "him" or "them" or "people like them." Skip those comments. Write in a Word document then close it and drink a glass of water. Then read it and take out anything defensive or about people you are unhappy with. Keep a low profile. Goodnight. Factseducado ( talk) 04:18, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to bed. About your user RfC, I think it may be wise to not comment more tonight. You don't need to rise to attacks. It's not productive. I can go make comments early tomorrow if you tell me what you think is very important to address. If you can't resist commenting then I wonder if it feels like an option to point out that you are open to both mediation and mentoring and say nothing more. If you feel you have to say more, you could admit being wrong about something. You could admit that you wish you had never written the OCD comment. Real people have OCD and sometimes they require surgery because the problem is so bad. Obviously you don't want to pick on people who have medical problems. At the same time it is very important that you ignore people you might feel are being mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factseducado ( talk • contribs) 04:10, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent,
I would like to hold up your side of the MMA discussion for a little bit so that you don't tip over the edge to a ban of some kind. Would you communicate with me about some of the points that need making in various venues so you can get a bit of a breather. Soldiers need R&R and you are a bit too close to this unhappiness.
Yours truly,
Factseducado ( talk) 23:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. The mains points can IMO be culled from this section in the RfC. Here are also some more short MMA topic specific points:
This is just a starter of the most important point, and as always please feel to ask questions. My email link is also activated. Thanks. Agent00f ( talk) 00:30, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent needs all the help he can get. He has been going at this all by himself. Although Ive been editing Wikipedia for years, Im unfamiliar with Wikipedia politics. This whole situation has actually made me thankful that I am unfamiliar with the bureaucracy of Wikipedia. Portillo ( talk) 09:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent00f,
Things are slowing down regarding more unhappiness with you. I can see you have stopped commenting as I advised. That was really a smart choice.
For today it's a good idea for you to post on your talk page and let other people hash out ideas on MMANOT and your user RfC. If you really want to write something, how about trying it out on me here on your talk page first? I'll keep an eye out here so I can let you know if it's best to remain silent or say something that is constructively phrased.
The longer you stay completely away from responding to unhappy comments, the more points you get for being reasonable. Remember you job now is to be the most reasonable person in the discussion. The best way to do that today is to not discuss the unhappy topics.
How about we brainstorm any other area of WP you could write something of value on? Maybe you know a good source for an article in need of some help. Your willingness to demonstrate you want to help WP be as good as possible could reflect really well on you. That RfC/U may remain open for a long time. In the meantime, you can show how mature and helpful you are. I know you have a lot to offer. Factseducado ( talk) 18:25, 18 May 2012 (UTC)
I am going to bed. This has been a very full, busy day for me on WP. Some people appear to be unhappy about some things I have written but it is unclear to me what is making them unhappy.
Your conduct was unimpeachable today. Hopefully, your continued calm, low profile reaction will help them accept that you are not interested in arguing or defending yourself. I regret that I do not think tomorrow looks like a good day for you to participate on your user RfC site. It is not a happy place right now.
I hope to not have much to say at your user RfC tomorrow. The situation as I see it has been sufficiently explained at your user RfC. I'll keep an eye out for anything new there tomorrow. I am hoping that at some point participants there (aside from DGG, JJB, and Portillo) will feel they have fully expressed their interests. It helps that they cannot get your hackles up because you are not responding.
Perhaps you could test out some ideas on things you'd like to write on the MMANOT site here, if you feel there are things you'd like to be able to add. I'll keep checking here, at MMANOT, and at your user RfC.
Take care. Factseducado ( talk) 02:07, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
This is your last warning. The next time you make personal attacks on other people, as you did at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/UFC 149: Aldo vs. Koch (2nd nomination), you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Comment on content, not on fellow editors. Mt king (edits) 08:46, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Agent00f, I'll go look at that MMA page this second. In the meantime please do not communicate with anyone anywhere on WP except me, Portillo, JJB, or DGG. I am unaware of who else is currently feeling they are able to assume good faith with you. This is not in any way for some punitive reason. I am really trying to help you and I have seen unspecified problems. This is not a good environment for you today. Again I'm on my way over to see what has been written, by whom and when. Maybe I'll know more when I've done that. Wish me luck. Factseducado ( talk) 15:14, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm back. I have looked it over as thoroughly as I can. I don't see an attack. I do see that a user or users is/are changing comments another user or users have written. It makes it very difficult for me to see the chronology of what has gone on. I am starting a new section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factseducado ( talk • contribs) 16:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent00f, I know how willing to listen to advice you have been every time we have interacted. So let's communicate here now, alright?
You definitely don't have to say anything that makes you uncomfortable.
Thanks,
Factseducado ( talk) 16:12, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
You definitely made progress understanding your role in the future at WP. How about walking away and waiting a day for responses or longer. How about 12 hours? Remember it's your job to be the most reasonable person in the discussion and to walk away frequently just because you have been unhappy in that environment in the past.
Congratulations on your hard work and improvement. It is a challenging situation and you are showing maturity.
Factseducado ( talk) 22:23, 19 May 2012 (UTC)
As one who loves having information, I'd like to introduce you to the X!'s Edit Counter. The tool allows all sorts of interesting analysis in what people work on. While It's not required, I'd like to invite you to opt into the counter for the purpose of looking for areas you might want to edit in. Thank you for your consideration. Hasteur ( talk) 21:16, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
As I said, User:Ryan Vesey is willing to "co-mentor" you as adopter, meaning he would do the decisionmaking (including being approached by editors who object to incivility if any), and would have User:Wehwalt serve as go-to admin for any consultation, and if a block decision were ever needed. While I would hate to be in your position (and have been pretty close to it before), I would encourage you to communicate with Ryan and formalize this relationship, independently of whether anyone else thinks it should be done. That way if things go wrong later you have an audit trail demonstrating your compliance with policy. Mentoring and adopting are very common for new editors anyway, but they are also used when there is hope for an accused editor to grow beyond behavior that tempts others to make accusations.
I am not likely to take too much part in the conduct side as things go on, but certainly feel free to contact me if you think I would be interested in a page of any kind. So I am leaving this recommendation in your hands, having found the willing parties. I believe acting on it will strongly favor your interests. As to content, the way to reach policy consensus is through gradualism, which takes patience and leads to the aha! moments where meeting of the minds is accomplished. The same is true of the path to justice. JJB 14:08, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
Digression: since you asked, there are 23 people ahead of you at WP:SPI#Case status summary, which is a bit of a backlog; just let that one go. The request by Drmies to (improperly) close RFC/U is slightly older and is more ignored than the SPI, and in all honesty the SPI will probably close first. (It's hard to get over the game of "comment on everything" and you might even see me still playing it at VPP; but it's a good idea, when you click "edit this page" with yet another thought for the entire cyberspace universe, to ask yourself whether the page (and your time) would benefit by not sharing the thought immediately. Maybe an hour later the reason for sharing would be gone.) This comment itself is probably part of the "game", so let me digress back. I affirm, you're conducting yourself much better at VPP now than on other previous boards, though the occasional angular sentence still shows, prompting me to give you another nudge. Ride out this storm, search for some frequently misspelled words and correct them in mainspace for instance. And by all means, resist the temptation (as I should also) of perpetually "checking" the watchlist ("checking" is a symptom of that unnameable three-letter mental illness, or syndrome or whatever). God go with you. JJB 21:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at ANI by Dmcq! (Laughing hard.) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruptive edits by User:John J. Bulten. JJB 01:32, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
Hi Agent. I have a request, would you have a look at my suggestion, and the discussion at Talk:2012 in UFC events/Archive 3#Another way to organise. My statement to you is this:
I would like your opinion on how we can improve it, because if it is going to be here, it might as well be easy to use. Keep in mind my request in the section though, I just want to discuss how to improve the article, not the merits of it, or how other editors are trying to disrupt MMA. I just want to improve the article as best I can, because frankly, it doesn't look like it is going anywhere. Note this is only if you have interest in improving the article, if your position is delete at all costs, I would appreciate your staying away, as I want to dedicate this section to constructive improvement of the article that we currently have. -- kelapstick( bainuu) 22:17, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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Hey, I just wanted to say that I understand your POV for re-establishing articles. With your continued effort, we can really show the importance and notability of saving these articles for future readers. Here are some links you should look at to refute the opposition:
Autokid15 ( talk) 22:33, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
Agent, I closed the request for comment on your editing style because I didn't think there was sufficient consensus on what (if any) action should be taken against you. However in my closing remarks I did note that it was established that your lengthy talk page contributions were disruptive and that "I do judge that there is a consensus that Agent00f has a long way to go to become a net positive contributor here." I counselled people to hold off and wait to see what your talk page conduct was like. There was then a lull but early this month you started lengthy contributions to these two AfD discussions UFC1 155 and UFC 156.
In those discussions you have been intemperate, accused other editors of lying, of shameless behaviour, of being ignorant and exhibited many other examples of poor behaviour. Please stop. You've made your !vote at the AfDs and badgering subsequent opinions is not going to help your cause. I fully realise that you will not feel this warning to you is justified and that you have expressed only what is true and that you have not made any attacks. Nevertheless I judge that your present behaviour at those AfDs is disruptive and I'm letting you know that if it continues or emerges in other ares I will block you to prevent further disruption to the encyclopaedia. I will present any such block at WP:AN/I for review but please don't be in any doubt that you must edit more collegially or face not being able to edit at all. Kim Dent-Brown (Talk) 13:11, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
No the irrelevance to the topic started when you turned the discussion on to one about me personally and away from Flags at MMA articles if you disagree where the hat should go then please take it to WP:ANI, continual reverting is disruptive. Mt king (edits) 08:58, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
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P4P greatest defender of UFC event pages Sfour ( talk) 21:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC) |
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Off-wiki canvassing (MMA). Thank you. Hasteur ( talk) 21:50, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
I have blocked you for an indef period of time for severe violations of user conduct document at ANI. If you wish to appeal this block, please see WP:GAB. MBisanz talk 17:09, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
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I'd really appreciate it if someone can explain how such a block was even on the table given it's a reddit AMA/Q&A done via invite after someone else's AMA and had nothing to do with voting or anything mentioned in WP:Canvas. The rationale from the discussion appears to be WP:IDONTLIKEHIM is which isn't something I can fix. Agent00f ( talk) 3:23 am, Today (UTC+0)
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You specifically requested other readers of your Reddit post to vist MMA-related AFDs and !vote in support of keeping them ("One place to focus efforts are the immediate AfD's (articles for deletion) themselves... If you do come across one (WP:NOT (specifically "not a newspaper") seems to be the main contention these days), you need to cite reasons from the linked wiki policies why it should be kept.") This is clear off-wiki canvassing (specifically, it's a form of both votestacking and stealth canvassing). Protesting otherwise is not going to get you unblocked. Yunshui 雲 水 09:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
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You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MMA#MMA_Event_Notability. Kevlar ( talk) 18:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
You have been mentioned at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Blocking_of_participants_in_this_wikiproject.3F. X Ottawahitech ( talk) 00:30, 6 August 2013 (UTC)