Can you put up a description of the image, something about what is written in the Arabic calligraphy and what the image is meant to depict? -- Bluerain talk 16:48, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for working on our information on Shi'a Islam, particularly Ismailism. I don't know much about the topic, but I am interested and I am happy to see it being worked on more. I have a few suggestions on formatting. Try to add categories, as I readded to Ismailism and added to your reincarnation in Ismailism. Also, you should add more links to other articles in your articles. Most good Wikipedia articles are pretty heavily wikified, and it helps readers to find more information on related topics. Let me know if you need any help or have questions about Wikipedia. Academic Challenger 21:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you need to add the Islamic sects category to articles that are not actually about Islamic sects. You don't need to add the Islam category to everything either. The reason that the Shi'a Islam and Ismailism categories are there is so that the Islam category doesn't get overfilled. Academic Challenger 22:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation of why the Ismailism article is the way it is right now. Your ideas for future improvement make good sense, and I hope you or someone else can make those changes as time allows. Good thinking, and good work! Timotheos 18:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Salam alaykum. You can speak with User:Striver about Shia-related articles, with Itaqallah about Sunni-related and Islam-related articles and with Aminz about Islam-related articles. You can find in which field other wikipedians are expert in Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Expert Wikipedians in Islamic issues-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 02:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
considering the high level of vandalism on the shia and twelver templates, I think a request for full-protection of the templates is required! Wikipedia:Requests for page protection-- Gerash 77 04:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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Do not delete content like you did here. Repeatedly deleting content like this can get you blocked. -- Matt57 ( talk• contribs) 04:38, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Salaam Aleikum Enzuru...
Is Batiniyya a term that predominantly applies to Ismailism? Before your recent edits it sounded like it was a general term for religions/sects with esoteric views... if the term applies to all of them equally, I'm wondering if the changes you just made are appropriate. I don't know, and I'm a pretty new editor, so... just asking. – cacahuate talk 01:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru. Apparently you're mistaken, as I didn't create any of the articles, not for that matter have I even edited them. :-) Maybe Striver is the one you might be looking for. I honestly can't help much because I'm not very knowledgeable in these matters. Cheers, Anas talk? 11:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
We could change the structure of the template to first have events of Jesus life shared by all and then the particular concepts first of Christianity, then of Islam. Placing VB, as I did, under Christianity is not ideal but it is way better than to place it under Islam. Str1977 (smile back) 20:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. But you should have kept the Quran in 'books'. If you need any help, let me know. KlakSonn Talk 10:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind, I reinserted Qur'an because the Sunni template includes Qur'an in "books" and not including it in the template gives the impression that Shi'as don't have a book. KlakSonn Talk 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey. Can you get an admin to protect Template:Shi'a Islam? Someone is getting on my nerves and reverting my edits. Thanks. KlakSonn Talk 22:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
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What I took out in the Twelver article I moved to the Usooli one, because it only applies to Usoolis. Thanks. -- Enzuru 02:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Why are you insisting on putting this picture? The only real pictures of this person in existance are in B&W. Note he died in 1908. The coloured ones are made up, so for the sake of originality and fairness to the person, original black and white image should be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik07 ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear sir, Thanks for the message on my page. Its just a short message for clarification regarding the picture of Hadhrat Ahmad in Ahmadiyya info. box. As a member of the Ahmadiyya muslim community, we feel that any re-touched photographs of the founder of the community should not be used or published for the sake of authenticity. The other smaller Lahore Ahmadiyya movement faction did published the colorized photo, but for the majority of the followers of Hadhrat Ahmad, this is not appropriate. The imposed colour on the photo does not correspond to historic descriptions of the founder of the community. This policy of not altering the relics or photos from that time is to ensure that no additions are made to the items which may influence the impression made by those images/relics. I hope this clarifies the situation. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 14:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear brother, thanks for your kind message. As far I am aware, there are 4 or 5 pictures of Promised Messiah available. I think you can find them in the alislam.org galleries. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have modified a page that you have created. The page is Hindrellez. I changed that page to a redirect to Alevi so when people type in "Hindrellez", they will be sent to the Alevi page instead. The reason I did this is because there was no content on Hindrellez other than 1 sentence which said it was a holiday. I then removed the wikilink of the word "Hindrellez" on Template:Alevism because it would just lead to a redirect back to the original page. If you have any further questions, please ask them on my talk page, as I will not monitor your page for replies. Thank You. - Rjd0060 22:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Man, I checked out those templates and they are some major pieces of work there. You've given me a lot to think about...my mind isn't totally swayed yet, but I tell you, if you're willing to help with the reformatting of the Sunni template like you did with those it might be. Good job, i'm going to go check out the template's talk page for now. MezzoMezzo 02:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear Brother, AoA, Ahmadiyya fiqh is indeed based on the Hanafi principles. Although there is much more room provided for Ijtehad in interpreting the Shariah. The Ijtehad is based on principles elaborated by Hz. Ahmad and his successors. You can see the copies of the Fiqh books here... http://www.alislam.org/urdu/fiqah/ SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahmadiyya fiqah accepts the many logical components of other jurists apart from Imam Abu Hanifa. But we consider Imam Abu Hanifa to be the most valid and reasonable among the four. As for Shia Imams, we do consider them to be learned men of the highest order who followed their noble ancestors with great care. Although we have fundamental difference of opinion with Shia view of Imamat, but we view historical events around the original disputes as unfortunate man made errors and not deliberate attempts to sieze power from any party. wassalam. SK —Preceding
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Salam. I think I will be a good tewmplate if you remove Theology of Twelvers . Please pay attention to Fatima article. We need your help.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 15:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The article structure as it currently stands conforms to the basic WP:Biography format. It could certainly do with some expansion. We're currently trying to get the article to GA status and if you have suggestions for improvements, feel free to discuss them in the talk page. Thanks. → AA ( talk) — 21:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get on the talk page tomorrow. Where do you train out of? I might know of them, depending on where you live. MezzoMezzo 04:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Please write your idea about Merging Mätam, Azadari of Muharram and Majlis-e-Aza to Commemoration of Husayn ibn Ali( here) and Imambargah to Hussainia ( here). Thanks-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 03:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. I have posted my comments on the relevant discussion page. Best regards, Nazli 03:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Enzuru: Thanks for the message. Point taken; though I cannot totally agree with you about aesthetics over knowledge! Please see the discussion page for my suggestions. Regards, Sufaid 09:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Salam alaykum.
A lot of effort has done on this article and I want to nominate it as good article after adding some other sources. Please check it and tell me your idea. Thanks-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 18:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Selam,
i would ask if you really are of pasthun ancestry?
You wrote that you are kemalist? Do you live in Turkey?
If you are Alevi, from which tribe ar you?
Send me a mail: westberlin85 AT gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.93.56 ( talk) 22:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Carabinieri 13:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I have to ask why you put Ataturk on the Alevi template. I have specifically checked if it was you, but you did design parts of it and you are a kemalist, the evidence points to you. I recommend you remove it, being that the man wasn't even a muslim. Not to mention he is hated in many parts of the islamic world for good reason (hijabs in Turkey, look it up). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishvara7 ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the information of Mustafa Kemal. I will drop any critcism of your template. I was also kind of wondering if you would help me with the criticism of Islam section under Islam. For some reason Christianity doesn't have a criticism section, yet the main article is equally as long as Islam's. It's only fair someone add a critcism section to all religions or none of them. User: Ishvara7
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Salam
Please help me with List of Twelver's Imams. I want to nominate it as a Featured lists on the basis of the WP:WIAFL. Please write your review o the talk page. I would be grateful if you cleaned up the list.-- Seyyed( t- c) 16:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Salam. I think we should seperate the third one and call them Jafari's sects. All of them fallows Jafari jurisprudence . The other ones differ fundamentally. And I guess Yazdanism is an offshoot sect. I guess in Iran people know them as Satanism. Do you have any good reference which show they are Twelvers. What's your idea about 12 Qutb Sufism. As I know there were too many of them in Iran before Safavi dynasty. -- Seyyed( t- c) 15:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we call some Shia clerics like Allame Qazi, Allame Tehrani and some others who believe in Irfan and follow Jafari jurisprudence, Sufi. Can we put them in Template:Sufism. I want to make a separate part in this template and call it Irfan of Shia.-- Seyyed( t- c) 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I have looked over criticism of christianity articles. I would have to say Christianity still deserves a criticism section. Not only does it have a main aticle, but it has a criticism article for nearly all of its sects. There is just too much criticism written on Christianity for it to merely be placed in the "See Also" section. Ishvara7 022:49, 17 Nov 2007 (UTC)
Salam, I find an online version of the part one of History of Islamic philosophy. I believe we can use it to improve articles about Shia, Twelvers and Ismaili faiths. In fact I understand the meaning of "Imam of time" when I read this book.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Salam, Can you please write your idea here.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Salam Aleik!
It seems as if we made almost the same userbox Enzuru...
User:Oren neu dag/my userboxes/User:Richard0612/Userbox Archive/Secular Turkey
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My userbox was made in September 9th 2007, while your userbox was made in October 1st 2007 and so my question is: Were u inspired by my userbox to create yours?
I have no doubt that yours is certainly very beautiful (although not as beautiful as mine) but since it is very much the same i'd like to ask u to give me some credit for the idea behind your Userbox and show it on your userpage. -
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I have also a Shah Supporting userbox if u want to use it
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feel free to use it. Oren neu dag ( talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
What ever happened to fixing Sunni Islam? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 05:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Merhaba, Türkçe biliyor musunuz?
The image you created is really nice. Thanks for the good work. But I think that you should add the crescent to whole image: http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/photos/ali2.gif. Your work looks.. a bit "cut". :) Can you do that? Kaygtr ( talk) 14:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Salam alaykum This article was too weak and violated copyright as well as WP rules. Therefor I rewrote it. I hope you can help me with it.-- Seyyed( t- c) 17:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Can you help me with Sources_of_sharia#Aql_and_Ijtihad. I'm not exactly sure how to go about writing this. Bless sins ( talk) 18:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum
I've nominated Twelve Imams as a featured list ( here). Please pay attention to it. Thanks. -- Seyyed( t- c) 04:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I see you're making the "Shia" and the "Twelver" templates hideous and keeping the Ismaili one intact. What sick reason is behind this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.216.114.80 ( talk) 20:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Salam, Somebody began to review the article. Please check and help s with it. God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 10:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Please stop editing the Shia and Twelevrs templates. They look extremely hideous. How would you like it if I did the same with the Ismaili template and replaced the calligraphy image with that of the spoiled Karim Agha Khan? Stop it. It's irritating. FiveRupees ( talk) 11:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You shouldn't have taken it too far by insulting me. I suggest you revert your own edits to the templates and wait until consensus is reached. Also, I am not Punjabi or South Asian. Are there many Twelver Pashtuns? Just as many as flying pigs. FiveRupees ( talk) 22:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Please don't bother replying. I shouldn't be wasting my time with pathetic people who spend their lifetime editing this biased "encyclopedia". FiveRupees ( talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum. Can you please tell us your view about this issue. Thanks.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, Please add your viewpoint about the lead of Shia Islam here.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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There is no need to monopolize the Shi'a Islam template and assume its ownership, and show complete disregard for the many Shi'ites who do not want the picture of Ali to be displayed and who believe that Ali or his picture do not symbolize Shi'a Islam. Better to leave the template as I last edited it and avoid hurting the feelings of many people by reinstating it. FiveRupees ( talk) 18:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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Salam, Excuse me. I recently read your comment about 12 Imams images. I couldn't find anything about their copyright situation. I checked this site and think their copyright situation are unknown.-- Seyyed( t- c) 06:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank you. It means a lot to me that you care about my opinion on the matter, and even more that you consider me impartial. I worry, however, that it is not entirely so, because as a Baha'i I do ascribe to the Shia mode of thought and believe that Ali was Muhammad's legitimate successor. Still, I shall do my best to set my personal beliefs in the matter aside and focus on the encyclopedic nature of the template. Peter Deer ( talk) 01:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Insofar as translations goes, it is quite true much of the writings of the Babi dispensation differ greatly from the writings of Baha'u'llah, but it bears noting that the Baha'i dispensation abrogated the vast majority of those laws (specific ones are generally referred to in the Kitab-i-Aqdas) and even the Bab Himself considered His dispensation and His laws to be beneath those of Baha'u'llah.
"For all that hath been exalted in the Bayan is but as a ring upon My hand, and I Myself am, verily, but a ring upon the hand of Him Whom God shall make manifest -- glorified be His mention!" (The Bab, Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 168)
I think generally the majority of concerns regarding the Baha'i Administration come from people who are upset that the Universal House of Justice does not abrogate laws laid down by Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, or Shoghi Effendi, specifically the laws outlining that the members of the House be men and that homosexual relationships are forbidden, not taking into account that the House does not have the authority to abrogate the Law of Baha'u'llah. I'm sure there are others who have other objections and concerns, but those are the more controversial ones.
Another reason why many things have not been translated is the translation of Baha'i scripture is a very careful and meticulous process. By my understanding, it is seen to be preferable not to present the religious texts than to misrepresent them and pervert their true meanings. As Shoghi Effendi was the authorized interpreter of Baha'i scripture, his translations are used as models for future translations, both in their interpretations and in their presentation.
The Bab's work is being translated, but slowly, partially because of the meticulous translation process, and partially because of the meticulous authentication process. Much of the work of the Bab was dictated rather than written in His hand, so much work has to be done to make sure that the source is authentic, as Covenant-Breakers and hostile Muslim authorities have made attempts to pass off things as being written by the Bab before. Most of the authenticated and translated works have been compiled into
Selections from the Writings of the Bab.
In conclusion, I have confidence in the good faith of the institutions who are translating the holy scripture. The primary objective so far seems to have been the complete, faithful, and accurate translation of the works of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha, as they pertain directly to the laws and ordinances of the Baha'i dispensation. The Persian believers, however, do have the benefit of access to the Bab's writings in their original form and, largely because of the persecution of Baha'is in Iran, are now spreading and disseminating throughout the western world and bringing those teachings and modes of thought with them.
And no, I do not mind talking about it outside of an article, in fact I enjoy talking with Muslims in particular because they are often more familiar with certain concepts pertinent to the Baha'i faith than I am (ask most Americans what Mahdi means, or who Husayn Ibn Ali is, or what the Qiblih/Qibla is, and they'll just stare at you) and frankly it's a privilege to speak with a Shia Muslim as, sadly, almost all of the few western Muslims are Sunnis. So I welcome your questions and even your opinions and commentary, as I am also personally interested in what the sane Muslims who aren't trying to kill us think of us.
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Hey salaam man, I saw your edit on the Salafism article. The criticism was well sourced, but the thing was none of the articles were criticizing Salafism; in fact, only one of the articles seemed to mention it and it was passing. I think the sources might be quite relevant, though, on the Wahhabism article or perhaps the First Saudi State, as they all seemed more specifically to be criticizing those than Salafism. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 06:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Salaam, I actually changed all the pictures of the Shia Templates. The picture of the sword is not appropriate for there and it shows violence in Islam which Shias are not violent.َAnd Also, the picture has the name of 12th Imam in the middle and should be used for Twelvers. َ-- BigDevil Talk 20:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I have been working on fixing the broken POV quagmire that is the Ahl al-Bayt article. I wanted the help of reliable and dedicated people from both Sunni and Shia backgrounds to help work on this. If you would be up for it I would be much indebted to you. Peter Deer ( talk) 08:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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Salam Alaykum,
Thanks a lot. You've made great effort, but I think it may confuse the reader. You see, A lot of information packed beside each other. -- Seyyed( t- c) 01:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is nominated as a good one. Can you check it please.-- Seyyed( t- c) 01:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello Enzuru! In regards to the template, I have a few suggestions. and comments
I am interested in knowing what you are going for so far as improvements over the first template. If I get an idea of what you have in mind I think I'd know more how to help. Peter Deer ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Salam bro,
Don't you want to participate in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Collaboration. Please participate in collaborative improvement of Sources of Islamic law, which is nominated as GA.-- Seyyed( t- c) 09:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I really appreciate how have been creating templates on Twelvers, but I the depictions you added of the Imams take so much of their value, especially when the depictions are bad ones. Hopefully, Enzuru, you will view how this is offensive to many, mostly because the depictions are bad and the Imams all look like each other, but also because depictions, though permissible, are not representative of the Imams and make them look less infallible. FiveRupees ( talk) 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum,Thanks for your effort.
I think you should add the name of the Messenger of Allah under Panj Tan picture in Imams template like Template:Ali.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm interested in seeing what proposals you have. In my opinion, all we need to ensure we deal with issues sensitively and in a neutral manner can be found in the core content policies, especially WP:NPOV. Same with hadith guidelines etc., I simply believe that WP:N should be applied to them just as we would any other article. I have applied precisely the same principle to needless 'pro-Sunni' 'Hadith of ...' articles too like the successfully deleted ' Hadith of Abu Bakr leading the prayer'. As long as we stick to neutrality policy, insist upon only the highest quality sources, ensure that article topics are notable and of independent significance, then I think we have most bases covered. But if we want to just restate those things in terms more relevant to Islam related articles then I'm happy with that. I'd recommend a blander name for the guideline instead of 'One Ummah', as WP:ISLAM is for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike. ITAQALLAH 23:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks you for inviting me. It looks like a great initiative, will pitch in as and when I can. Best regards, Nazli ( talk) 01:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Must...resist...adorable charm....I've got to be....a macho...man... Peter Deer ( talk) 22:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Certainly, I will gladly help. I'll be cracking a couple books I haven't touched in a while. Peter Deer ( talk) 23:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to restore either/both these articles to a sandbox page for you so that you can add the references to articles in magazines that you quoted. The sandbox page will let you work on the articles without having to worry about their immediate deletion, as frequently happens to work in progress. If that would be acceptable, just leave me a note. (Sorry for the delay; I was on vacation.) Accounting4Taste: talk 02:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for your contribution in Twelve Imams list and making nice templates. Seyyed( t- c) 17:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC) |
Hi Enzuru. Yes, I think listing other Ahl al-Kisa and providing the devotional image slants it too much to one perspective. ITAQALLAH 21:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I shall certainly carry out your request. It saddens me that you are leaving, it was nice to have a friend here. May you go in God's care! Allah-u-Akbar! Peter Deer ( talk) 09:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, and i'm sorry that i'm coming by only to find that you've just left. When you get back, i need to talk to you about the move of what is now
Twelver Shi`ism back from the
Ithna-'Ashariyya title; i have no doubt that it was an innocent mistake, but it is important to prevent repetition. Drop me a line, or, if you prefer, read up on
WP:cut and paste move first. Thanks,
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In case you are around, GreenEcho (the 12-headed sockpuppetteer now known as User:Enforcing Neutrality) has decided to delete all images from Shi'a pages. I would ask you to investigate as it is against consensus and I cannot revert against him. Naahid بنت الغلان Click to talk 02:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Calling me edits vandalism, now? En Ne talk 23:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Salam Brother,
I'm happy to meet you again here. Don't you think you waste your time by participation in endless discussions on using Imams' pictures. God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why are you deleting about this individual, who is a well-reputed modern sufi, it is mentioned only because it discusses about modern sufis. Please let it be there. -- Asikhi ( talk) 11:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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For the amazing redesign of Template:Islam. Probably one of the best-looking templates I have seen on Wikipedia. Veggy ( talk) 05:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
Hi there I really like your design of the template, looks really great. But I don't think the color was the right choice, which was black. It does not suit the religion of Islam, but I think if you done it in a type of green color then it will look better. Good work. M Miah ( talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Actually it sort of looks alright if I look at it again, not really sure because it looks great?
I found this on a discussion page about images of the Imaam and I thought it was so rad I modified it and thought you might want to stick it up on your userpage. I certainly did. :-) [[Image:Schreck.jpg|left|thumb|[[Imamah (Shi'a doctrine)|Imam]] ‘Alī was a VAMPIRE!]] Image:Schreck.jpg Yours in Peace, ناهد𒀭(dAnāhita) 𒅴 21:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Enzuru, Thank you for your message and the kind words. My affinity for using assembly has more to do with a lack of options than anything else!! Best regards, Nazli ( talk) 02:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, You've done a nice attempt. God bless you.
Unfortunately I'm too busy and my PC has some problem. Thus I can't help you with it.-- Seyyed( t- c) 07:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Salaam alayka Ya Enzuru,
I have a software problem because I'm on a Mac... I keep trying but I can't get the file to play. I'll keep working on it, though. Also, have you seen my edits to Yaresan? The ghulaat Ahl-e Haqq are waaaay confused with the non-Muslim types, and they all need editing. Maybe you can help? -Nahed ( Em0 at the café) 19:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on Haroriya right now... if you have some information on the assassination of ‘Alī, it would be great if you would look at the page. It is ironic that that page is such a disaster given their fairly crucial role in Muslim history... or if you can recommend other editors who might want to lend a hand? I can't access Arabic script, only cut and paste, so I can't even write the name.
And yes, I'm going to move the page to Harurism or something similar (gotta check Wikipedia:MOSISLAM for how to appropriately name sects, I think it's -ism name these days). Who named that page? Gah. ناهد𒀭(dAnāhita) 𒅴 21:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Salam Brother,
Can you please choose another color like dark blue for the background of the Template:Islam. -- Seyyed( t- c) 13:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure. I've reverted the template to yesterday's 22:45 version but retained the added category and reduced the relatively large gaps between the sections. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 02:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Hotaki dynasty|Hotaki kingdom]]<br/> [[Durrani Empire|Durrani {kingdom/Empire}]]
, i.e. one line for each..?
Sardanaphalus (
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02:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The vandal who keeps switching the images on Template:Pashtuns is the indef banned User:Beh-nam. He is a radical Shia Farsiwan from Toronto, Canada, who is engaged in bashing ethnic Pashtuns everywhere on Wikipedia. His latest sockpuppets are Special:Contributions/PashtoonEditor and Special:Contributions/User:Mohammad777. You may report these sockpuppets to User talk:Alison, she is very familiar with Beh-nam and will be able to block him from future vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.67.129 ( talk) 19:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
You are edit warring. Stop now or be blocked.-- Tznkai ( talk) 02:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Enzuru, I updated 'aql to a real article. Woot.
Also, the real reason I came by was to recommend Zotero. It's a Firefox add-on. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 01:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Awesome template... and yah, I know what it's a parody of. (And thanks again - I hate that thing.) ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 01:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
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No problem. Of course, it's much easier with Huggle.:P The IP has been blocked for 24 hours.-- Xp54321 ( Hello! • Contribs) 04:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations, and don't be so negative... besides, you can still be orthodox. Ooh look, you can buy yurts! ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 04:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm interested in minority groups on Islam, although I am jaw-droppingly unorthodox in my practice. Friends with the khaa6ibaat and imaamaat and female prayer initiative, don't "veil" (traditionally, I mean: I cover the juyuub with cloth and between navel and above the knee as commanded), think Michael Muhammad Knight single-handedly brought me to Islam, love taqwacore music, cried watching A Jihad for Love, am not only trans but also a dyke, mourn 3Ali, Hasan & Husayn during 3aashuuraa but adore 3ayishah, think the the harūriyyah were right about picking the best person as Imaam...
In any case, thanks for your kind words. God bless you and ease your troubles, I will say al-idyaa' for you (duas). (God listens to sinners, so it should get through.)
& رمضان مبرك to you too!
I was thinking the same thing. But for now, I do not have the possibility to work on many articles. I will ask you when I need your help. Thank you. Tājik ( talk) 20:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, just one question: are you a Shia Muslim? Tājik ( talk) 00:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, I hope you've had good Ramadan, Recently, I've edited Ali's caliphate up to here and need your help to correct my lingual mistakes. Thanks a lot and God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
OMG I just got my userpage vandalised for that picture of Imam 'Ali as a vampire... TWICE. Hahaha. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 17:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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S/A and Eid Mubarak~
I was wondering if you could adjust the Template:Infobox Imams for me.. adjusting it to: having the name of the Imam at the top, moving "Twelve Imams of Shi'a Islam" to the bottom (above the pic - Almahdi.png), and changing the 'Rank' to a label (this way it would be more fair for Ismaili's, Eg. Status: Twelver 4th Imam, Ismaili 3rd Imam, etc). I have no idea how to work with those templates.. lol. (er.. and im a twelver in case its not yet obvious)
Many Thanks~ Toushiro ( talk) 04:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, you're quite the Twelver. Man, it's pathetic. You spending all your time in this place thinking you're some kind of secretive Ismaili James Bond, sent to spread the Ismaili message and sabotage the Twelver one. Do what you want, I'm out of this place. When I find myself arguing with a pathetic delusional prick and a transsexual lesbian freak of nature, it means I'm taking this place way too seriously. Regards, 77.42.182.239 ( talk) 01:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't be depressed as hell. Rent something good like 800 Bullets (800 Balas) or Nightwatch and get cheered up. :-) ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 06:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Could you please upload the pictures on Wikimedia Commons too with a proper license, so they can be available for other Wikipedias else well? It would be very nice. With kind regards, -- Auc ( talk) 23:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Girl, I really hate the Fall. All the morons go back to school. All my watched pages are showing up - and all of them are showing up as reverted vandalism or as vandalism needing reverting. Plus User:Klaksonn's got a hard-on for me again and is spam-chaining IPs and spewing nasty epithets at me. *sigh* ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
That is what I have tried to do, but secular extremists really don't accept the 'why?' business for some reason. Mohsin ( talk) 22:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
New, concerned...and you're a girl? ( BentAlBatoul ( talk) 05:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC))
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Hey, can you help me with an image issue? I have no skillz0r. I need to rotate an image that someone uploaded b/c it's totally screwing up a page format. If you could take a look at the top image in Falcata - I was hoping to turn that huge picture vertical, do I have to import a new version of it? (It's not my upload... I just found that mess.) I know how good you are with pitchers, so I figured I'd ask. There must be a format command to turn a photo somewhere... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 18:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
<3 <3 <3 for the halping. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 18:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm curious why you keep making this edit to Yazidi. [3] It seems to just be a formatting issue, and isn't in accordance with our Manual of Style ( WP:MOSDATE) Is there something I'm missing? -- El on ka 05:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Even though you might consider Indonesian and Javanese culture to be entirely islamic - that is a serious mistake for an encyclopedia article to have such a blanket claim - it is not NPOV and potentially provocative - do not be suprised if it is not moved Satu Suro 00:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are significant issues arising from the issue of what constitutes the themes of culture in something as large and as complex as indonesian culture - I am sure that India or China do not have single cultural templates for any of their cultural expressions - similarly Indonesia is not any one label - thank you Satu Suro 00:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
So for that reason again it is provocative to actually place the template on expressions that have complex external and homegrown influence - Islam is not the predominate early influence in Javanese culture and should not be templated on to those cultural expressions - the logical extension would be to have up to 4 or 5 templates - and end up a mess like the sriwijaya article with more boxes than article - no thanks - there is virtually no part of either of those articles that actually discusses the issue which you are templating either - so the template placement is indeed provocative - so please do not Satu Suro 00:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
You are too accommodating - which can be both good and bad here on wikipedia :(
I am not the slightest bit offended - I am concerned for any one 'claim' for any aspect of Javanese or Indonesian culture - despite the overwhelming demographic weight of claimed allegiances to religious or political allegiances in Indonesia the actual ethnic complexity might seem to an outsider - the problem for an encyclopedia to have an even weighted and well constructed NPOV stance - (and may you never meet the nastier dark corners of this weird goldfish bowl where every single corner is well lit :( ) - the application of the islamic template on the literature of the country should in all fairness have the hindu template and a separate javanese template as well as a sukarno template as well as a modernist template and a sectioned template of european, american, communist, captialist, right wing conservatism, catholic, influences as well - Indonesian literature cannot be so easily plugged with one major factor of influence - if from my living there and conducting post grad fieldwork and looking at the evidence of my wifes phd work there - I had thought there was one single influence over the literature of the country I would not bother you in the slightest and let it stay - but I am very sorry the story is a lot more complex - regardless of what simplistic over-generalisations of the current cultural expressions of the country at the moment are created by media from outside of the country for their own purposes - so may your stay on wikipedia be a good one - but please expect to meet an ed like self - every now and then - who is prepared to try to explain why an issue might have more to it than simply a revert without comment Satu Suro 00:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I am very concerned that you are in a territory that has been seriously compromised in the past in this particular wiki - many eds went to a separate wiki following the incessant bad faith editing by a number of anti eds - please take care - the scene might have changed but they gave this wiki a bad reputation while they claimed to be neutralising POV in various edit styles within your area - I am not sure the current state as my editing in the area has been minimal - so insha allah your journey in this strange place is not as bad if you had tried a year ago or so Satu Suro 01:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The Template:Islamic Culture you created is breathtaking! Wow! Well done! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
WTH is a Mal(l)ang? Some kind of Ali-extremist who tortures himself? ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 21:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Did you think about maybe giving them a Sockpuppet warning? ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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is the devil. CAN'T STOP PLAAAYINGGG~ ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 03:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
<3 ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 07:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello, please don't vandalism my work as you did on the whabbism article, id you suspect someone is lying (i.e. that is technically what you are accusing me of) then at the {{fact}} tag, don't do reverts, its considered vandalism. -- James Wanten ( talk) 23:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I've used the citations, thank you. Are you familiar with some ahem whabbis, who consider women to have half the intellect of men, and consider shias infidels? -- James Wanten ( talk) 23:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
OMG girl those templates are hawt. FABULOUS job.
The Muhammad one is just amazing... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
actually, if you get time, could you tweak the infobox to be added to Al-Abbas ibn Ali page? ~ Toushiro ( talk) 03:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
(copying from my (Elonka's) talkpage)
I recently read about Rollback. Aside from my recent stalker, on the Islam articles, from day one of my contributions with this account, I have seen tons of vandalism, both intentional and unintentional edits breaking NPOV. This is especially visible in my areas of concern in Islam, primarily where different branches and schools intersect and diverge. Within the overall Islam articles, I have to stop NPOV-breaking where the Sunni majority opinion takes over an article, and within the Shi'a Islam article stop vandalism where the Twelver majority opinion takes over the article. My improvements in these areas have been my most proud achievements, especially since I have never been involved in changes the wider community disagreed with, usually just fringe editors, most of whom are banned now.
The other issue I deal with quite often is the censorship of pictures I have introduced throughout the Shi'a articles. At least once a week I see vandalism in this area.
Aside from one very unfortunate incident on Template:Islam where I and another editor argued over jurispudence being put in the article (all my other edits I have handled wonderfully on that template), I've never done anything that would be considered abusive. What is the procedure for me to get the rollback right? -- Enzuru 10:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The bit about Massoud has been archived. It was by Tājik dated 22 July 2006. Here is the comment (my highlight):
Begin quote:
Biruni is certainly more important than Hammasa Kohistani who is hardly recognized as "Tajik", or Ahmad Shah Massoud who himself has never considered himself "Tajik" or any important for the Tajiks as a nation. al-Biruni is the father of modern geography and historgraphy, he is considered as one of the greatest scholars ever, and even certain asteroids and certain regions on the moon are named after him. The term "Tajik" has for centuries been a synonym for the cultured and educated urban population of Central-Asia ... therefore, these scientists and scholars have to be shown in the picture as a symbol for the Tajik people. And since Rumi, Khwarizmi, ibn Sina, and Biruni are the most famous among the Tajik scholars of the past, their pictures are an absolute necessity. Tājik 10:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
End quote.
I agree that we need a modern figure, but I have doubts about the appropriateness of Massoud. Couldn't we find a better choice? -- Zlerman ( talk) 04:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You should bear in MIND that Afghanista houses by far the largest population of Tajiks in the World and to us Massoud is more important than any of the people mentioned. And this article of Tajiks is not about the Tajiks of Tajikistan ONLY it talks about the ethnic group tajik as a whole.
I had never before heard of Ghafurov or Ayni nor has any other Afghanistani Tajik or Irani Tajiks and Persians heard of them. Replacing Massoud with someone is a silly Idea —Preceding
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15:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, I hope you are doing well. I have reverted your latest edit in Tajiks. I do not think that your edit was wrong, but I think that it is too much and too specific for the intro. "Tajik" is just a name for a wide range of Persian-speakers in Afghanistan. The Persian-speakers of Herat, for example, are quite distinct from the Persian-speakers of Kabul, in dialect and culture. And the "Tajiks" of Afgahnistan in general are quite distinct from those in Central Asia.
All in one, all Persian-speakers are still closely related to each other in respect of language and/or history, or maybe even ancestors. As such, I think it's too much to say that "Tajiks are distinct from the Persian-speakers of Iran", because the Farsiwan, for example, who are one section of the "Tajik" population of Afghanistan, are totally identical to the "Persians" of Eastern Iran. They even speak exactly the same dialect as those in Nishapur and Tus.
Take care. Tājik ( talk) 17:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The Twelve Imams had the modern images removed from the table by Wayiran... ironically, I actually think it's an improvement, because they all look the same. I wonder if there's different images we could use there. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Avicenna. Note that the
three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the
three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be
blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a
consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue
dispute resolution.
لenna
vecia
15:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Enzuru,
1) please be respectful in your comments.
2) I see that other people have been complaining about your recent edits and reverts. Maybe you are not vandalizing, but you have started removing any Iranian/Persian designation from articles which are clearly Iranian scholars like Nasiredin Tusi and Mulla Sadra. Maybe you think Persian or Iranian means citizen of the present country of Iran or related to the Twelever Shia? Then you need to read more reliable history books.
Some of these scientists are now being claimed by other groups for political reason and that is another reason which makes it significant to mention that they arised from the Irano-Islamic civilization. In the West, some sources claim all Muslims as Arabs, so it is important from an Encyclopedia's point of view to distinguish it. If all these issues were not present (but unfortunately they are), then I would have supported your edit. But usually a concensus is needed. BrokenMirror ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
One dubious edit isn't enough to justify a block on an IP, but I will keep an eye on them. If they begin vandalising again, reporting them to WP:AN might result in a faster response. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 23:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC).
Okeh I've put in for a Username Usurpation for User:Ogress. <3 the artist formerly known as Em0. the Ogress smash! 00:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
ZOMFG this is effing terrifying.
Nikolai Dzhumagaliev (Russian: Николай Джумагалиев, born 1952), a serial killer operating in 1980, known as "Metal Fang" (for his unusual false teeth made from white metal) in the Soviet Union republic of Kazakhstan.
A cannibal, he would often kill his women victims with an axe, carve the meat and serve it to his friends at dinners. He was eventually caught when friends whom he had invited to his house for "snacks" found a human head and intestines in his fridge. They immediately reported him to the authorities and Nikolai was arrested.
The total number of his victims is not known, although he was charged with a total of seven murders. Some sources put the total number of victims at 50 - 100. Found to be insane, he was sentenced to a psychiatric hospital in Tashkent, which he escaped from in 1989 while being transported to another facility. He was caught in 1991 in Fergana. Dzhumagaliev was released from a mental institution in Uzbekistan in January 1994. He is a free man, and is currently living with relatives in Eastern Europe.
Note the last sentence.
Also, that OR discussion is fabulous. the Ogress smash! 01:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Enzuru, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph says that "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." "Subject" in the quote means "Personality" and not the scientific or else contributions. As to "Confusion", please see this: Medieval Islamic Economic Thought, By Shaikh M. Ghazanfar, Published by Routledge, 2003, Page 5. which reads:
""Further, the chapters interchangeably use terms such as "Arab" scholars, "Arab-Islamic" Scholars, or simply "Islamic/Muslim" scholars. While in some sense the distictions may be appropirate, our reference throughout is to the Islamic (or Muslim) scholars, whether Arab, Iranian or Persian, who wrote their discourses in the early Islamic civilization.""
-- Raayen ( talk) 21:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
These two pages are about Persian personalities: Mahmoud Hessaby, Hossein Elahi Ghomshei. The ethnicity haven't been mentioned either. The above quote says: "Arab", "Arab-Islamic" and "Islamic/Muslim" have been used interchangeably, and not "Persian" and "Arab".-- Raayen ( talk) 21:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, nice to meet you. In order for us to mention the ethnicity in the opening, we need a citation that it is often confused they are not Persian. But even then, I don't see anything that confusion makes it notable. For example of how we should do biography, please see
this. --
Enzuru
21:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
It is not vague at all. That is clearly being inferred. The book says:
but (inferred)
BTW, "confusion" is your word. I said "mistaken". Besides, look how this encyclopedic article [8] is written. Please look at this too: [9]. And the articles like Goethe and Shakespeare. -- Raayen ( talk) 21:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Summing it all up. For you late to the party, I have been taking out ethnicity from many scholarly articles from the Muslim world. Why? Because Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph mentions that it should not be mentioned unless it makes the person notable. Not only do we mention it, we put things like Persian scholar in huge letters in the infobox, even though they are notable as philosophers are scientists, not as Persians. None of these individuals are notable for their ethnicity like Martin Luther King Jr. and would have been just as influential if they weren't their ethnicity. The main argument is that these people are often confused as other ethnic groups. So, I said if we can bring a source to prove this, we can consider it, but I am still not sure if it'd qualify for tge opening. I noted that most of the Featured Article Biography articles do not include ethnicity in the opening, hence we should follow both the MOS and the FA style. -- Enzuru 02:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
my two cents, The issue needs a discussion on all topics and we should not make such changes unless discussed. For example Isaac Newton and Carl Friedrich Gauss have their background. Newton wrote exclusively in Latin. So there is no reason to choose a small set of articles for this way of editing unless discussed for all such topics. Also this is the normal pattern in Encyclopedia Britannica for many of the authors. Also it does make a person notable in terms of showing which civilization and culture he came from, since majority of people not from those cultures do not know that information which within itself is notable. So notable here should follow patterns of other Encyclopedias. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 02:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly, Isaac Newton is a Featured Article. I will discuss it with someone from there why it has been mentioned in the opening. In the meantime, let's keep discussing. For the meantime, I believe the best thing we can do is take out the big bolded Persian from the infoboxes and leave it in the opening until we come to a further understanding. Does everyone agree with this? -- Enzuru 03:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 03:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Rumi's contributions are universal to the world, so why not deleting his ethnicity or nationatily too?! The essence of his poems are more important than their language. I think the above quote is enough to show that according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph, mentioning ethnicity/nationality is relevant for the "subject". However, here is another source: Lands of the Cross and Crescent, By Cyrus Herzl Gordon, page 132 : "Avicenna and other famous men of Iran, who wrote in Arabic, are often mistaken today for Arabs." But It seems we don't need any sources at all, because we clearly see the mistakes and pushings: You remember your discussions in Al-Khwarezmi article and you may see the recent edits [12]. Or look at this: tr:Birûni. These are wrong and prevalant presumptions or fabrications that should be cleared noticably which according to the Manual_of_Style_(biographies) the nationality/ethnicity can be there or is relevant. Newton is not alone, look also at Celine Dion and Joey Santiago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raayen ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
yes of course the userboxes should not mention ethnicity in the big header but that need a policy -- Bayrak ( talk) 04:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I generally concur that an individual's ethnicity need not be emphasised if it isn't of pressing relevance to the subject topic. What may be more useful is referring to the nation or dynasty which he/she lived under. In modern times, we'd say American or British for instance. Perhaps this could be applied broadly so scholars could be referred to as Mughal, Ottoman, Almohad, and so on. As opposed to their original ethnicity, which could of course be mentioned later. The only problem I see with this is that many scholars travelled all over the globe and lived in different places, and notions like registering 'primary citizenship' probably didn't exist for much of Muslim history. ITAQALLAH 13:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Should the template at Alhazen become the standard template for prominent influential scholars in Islam? This will fix one of the ethnic issues which three of us agreed is an issue, ie, a huge heading stating their ethnicity in the infobox, instead of just having a slight mention in the introduction. -- Enzuru 05:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought you might appreciate my illustrated retelling of "Rostam & the Akun Div". [13] the Ogress smash! 07:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Merboob, lol! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirezaabbas ( talk • contribs) 22:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I got your message and I do appreciate the feed back. You are a good person to have a civilized discussion with. I was looking at some of your contributions and I find them very interesting in the spread of knowledge.. Yusayr ( talk) 01:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
LOL @ User:خنیاگر. Yes, that's his actual Wikipedia name. the Ogress smash! 03:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2008 November 29#Image:Jyllands-Posten-pg3-article-in-Sept-30-2005-edition-of-KulturWeekend-entitled-Muhammeds-ansigt.png- akhwandk ( talk) 13:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we take him to the treatment center? I think so, provided disruption continues after the ultimatum. 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 23:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I want this elder's tattoos. [14] Ogress smash! 13:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your comments in Sikh extremism. I really liked reading your level-headed response to all the drama on that page. I've started a section for cleaning up the article. I notice that there is POV from both sides and so I've gone ahead and cleaned up a little bit of it. We don't need turning into a propaganda platform for either side. I would appreciate it if you could contribute! -- vi5in [talk] 22:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, thanks for your comments and help, Im an inexperienced, and struggling editor most of the time. I have a substantial collection of material on Isma'ilism, and in particular the Nizari.
I since I moved all the material regarding the previous Agha Khans to pages specifically dedicated to each, so that the page retained a section that devoted to the current Imam; however I am having some difficulty deciding where we should place him, as originally when I first started editing all of the history section was largely devoted to just the the Aga Khans, since then I have added numerous parts to the "History" section, and added a section "philosophy" that deals with beliefs, and I have also added a section "community". I would appreciate your input; and overall impression of what you believe the page Nizari page needs. ( Water Stirs ( talk) 02:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC))
I've now posted the Bayrak case at the ANI because he continued the Sayyid issue at the Khomeini article despite being warned otherwise. Please feel free to add your opinion of the disruption and possible measures to take at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption from User:Bayrak along ethnic lines. Thank you. 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 21:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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I agree with the need to mark historical figures properly. However, that editor has been just changing things to "Tajik", "Afghani" etc. without paying attention, thus breaking all the links and formatting. the Ogress smash! 00:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree with above, Lashkar-e-Janghvir are responsible for much of the terrorist rhetoric. It's ironic that In Saddam's Iraq, Shia and Sunni intermarried, you can work out the rest ! Satanoid ( talk) 14:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, your correct in identifying the lack of understanding displayed by the Sikh fundamentalsts. I do think some degree of prosetylization is at play here, plus without the correct comparisons being made. The various confusions by fundamentalists is the inability to differentiate Sikhism with Sufism with Sunni Islam or Shia Islam Satanoid ( talk) 11:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I totally agree with you, Nanak was a pacifist, but so was Mahatma Gandhi or the Sufi Saint Shirdi Sai Baba whereas Gobind was pretty much the antithesis. Nanak the pacifist and Gobind the activist had more in common with Jat King Prithvi Raj Chauhan, its not possible that all the Gurus were divine incarnations of each other considering the latter eight kept it in the family. Thats my criticism of Sikhism. Satanoid ( talk) 12:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I have tried, but they refuse to accept he was assassinated. See here http://www.answers.com/topic/aurangzeb. The Mughals faced down the Persians, The Marathas and The Sikhs Satanoid ( talk) 14:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
But the issue here is that your all your Guru(s) faced defeat in the face of the Mughals. The Mughal Emperor annihilated the Sikh dysnatic tradition to a book Satanoid ( talk) 14:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't bow out friend. Yourinput is invaluable, and I think if we can get the initial definition correct the rest of the article will flow. Sikh Extremism is indeeed and very complex issue and the "Sikh Terrorism" article seems to simplify it. The only reason I know so much is that I have followed it in the media since the 1980's, where the media (especially) BBC seemed to treat Bhindranwala, not as a terrorist, but almost as some sort of Robin Hood. If you analyse the beginings of the entire problem you will find the answer lies purely in politics. If it was purely religious, so many Hindu families would not have the custom (in Punjab), of having at least one member of the family baptised as a Sikh.-- Sikh-history ( talk) 11:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Enzuru,
I know what you mean. It's intensely frustrating. The problem is that none of them want the article to exist in the first place. I couldn't even get a personal definition of "Sikh Extremism" from Roadahead. He continually links to his overly pedantic critique as if that's an answer to everything. Frankly, he overanalyzes everything on purpose simply to try and invalidate every single source. I agree, their watching of your userpage is pretty creepy. I'll try and request mediation in the matter; I'm not sure if I will have enough time to do anything more - pre-holiday crunchtime is going on at work. Good luck, and hopefully we can collaborate on other articles in the future. -- vi5in [talk] 15:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thats why they want it deleted.
1. Roadahead is deleteing the references I make on his vandalism on the discussion page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ASikh_extremism&diff=256501557&oldid=256255980
2. Initially they conspired with each other to get it deleted - THEY FAILED
3. They refer to major news websites as POV
4. The section on Sikh pro-terrorist websites has been deleted
5. The Islam and Sikhism article puts down Islam and is Proselytism Satanoid ( talk) 06:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Bro, I think these martyrs should get a place on the Twelvers Template. My reasons are:
NEDian ( talk) 18:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I see no consensus on talk page to change Persian to Persian heritage or Persia to Abbasid...the only consensus I see, is in the archives and corresponds to the current version. I am however discussing the matters on talk now. -- Sina111 ( talk) 06:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
l am sorry for the misunderstanding from the begining..and I hope you forget it
regards -- Bayrak ( talk) 17:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
A troll imitated me as User:Ogresss and even made his pages redirect to mine so I got reported for vandalism on articles I normally protect.
Luckily an Admin recognised me and was like, "Whaaat? She's not a vandal" and contacted me and I figured it out right away. Then they instabanned the jerk for malicious impersonation.
What a jerk eh.
Yeah, I'm totally anal about Shia Islam - it's actually in that exact form, not just "Shia" - and then I add the form with the macrons and stuff.
One thing that's becoming problematic is that people are making the macron-using versions of a WHOLE LOT of articles the official ones. Does no-one know that we aren't supposed to use any extended character sets in the official titles? They're not typable! Ogress smash! 22:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Your a great editor, I could learn a few things from you. Thanks for your input. Satanoid ( talk) 10:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
At user talk:sinneed: "If you can acknowledge in fairness what I and Enzuru and Vivin have said I think we can comply with your demands ?" I am concerned this editor may be using your name in this without permission. sinneed ( talk) 21:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd double check user:sineed as a sockpuppet of another user too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satanoid ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
hi again...now i am satisfied on the article and that is all what i want to mention from the begaining that he was (according some sources)from persian stock you can see this link (18 novembre) -- Bayrak ( talk) 01:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't think I'm allowed to use my IP as the name of the account. I'm thinking of getting an account because I'll go on break soon and will not have the same IP address. Do you have any other name suggestions? 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 05:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes I've been real for a while now. Hope to stay that way for a bit longer. Thanks for the chuckle. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
you keep inviting certain people with the same idea as yourself (based on my impression) to participate on this issue. i don't appreciate this way of performing a jadal. should i invite iranians?-- Xashaiar ( talk) 21:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I included the numbering because it is mentioned in Info-boxes, and when we mention Ismaili numbering in general it does not represent boyh Mutasali & Nizari numbring as they differ right after Hazrat Ali a.s. Actually I think specifying the numbering clears that there are two numbering schemes in Ismaili's even for initial Imams after Hazrat Ali a.s. If we agree to remove Nizari numbering then it is better not to specify any sect i.e. twelver, zaidiya, ismaili, etc for common Imams and just mention xth Imam of Shias.
By the way I myself belong to Twelvers.
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This is off-topic, but I noticed that you mentioned that you used FreeBSD. That's awesome! I had no idea that you were a daemonette. I prefer FreeBSD over Linux as well, although my current development machine runs Ubuntu Linux (which I think, holds its own remarkably well and has made Linux very user-friendly), because of a lack of drivers for FreeBSD. I've run Plan9 on qemu, but I haven't worked on it extensively. For graphical distros of FreeBSD, have you checked out PC-BSD? Very stable and friendly. If it wasn't for a lack of drivers on my XPS 1530, I'd be running that, and not Ubuntu. -- vi5in [talk] 17:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good idea. Though I am quite busy in the coming few days. Do you want go ahead and give it a shot? I'll join later. Just tell me what sources you need for it. Tājik ( talk) 01:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
In that time most of them speak Arabic as mother tongue Despite of their different origins -- Bayrak ( talk) 17:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
about What exactly..?? I know that Arabs Captured Kabul in 651 and people of Balkh were Surrendered On the condition to pay 400,000 Dirham in the same year -- Bayrak ( talk) 15:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness... wha? 23:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I do not know much, In fact I still do not know the specific question ,They were not Kuwaitis :) -- Bayrak ( talk) 00:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I regret that I made that off-topic remark in response to your off-topic posting. I keep a very very very firm line between the world out here and the world inside the discussion areas where I speak through "Sinneed". I know of no way to maintain the privacy of friends and coworkers if I discuss them and their beliefs here, and (by firm personal rule, broken in the past only to cause sorrow) will not try. My apologies for mentioning them, as I know that is frustrating. I erred. sinneed ( talk) 05:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
i saw on talk one of the reasons this account was blocked was cause someone did bad thing. this is a computer lab computer at my elementary class in Centennial, Colorado. how did person do bad edits with many computers? my teacher told me that this computer was blocked from here before last week or stuff. does you know what happen? thank you! (signing for them so this gets archived) -- Enzuru 01:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wandering if you could complete the initial article of our discussion where the Durranis defeated the gheens ! (signing for them so this gets archived) -- Enzuru 01:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I've full-protected this article for three days to give you guys time to discuss this on the talk page. Blueboy 96 01:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm a sockpuppet of myself? Kjgugh ( talk) 02:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I actually found a Pakhtuni thing that needs attention. I am working on a disambig page, Uways - there's a mutliply-referenced Pakhtuni ruler of Swat with that name. Check it out eh! Write it up eh! Ogress smash! 23:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This is Malik al Assad. About ibn Saba', what wrong with my edition ? It is better looking no ? Sorry I am new to wikipedia. Regarding Shi'i origin, I did not state opinion as fact if that was what you were thinking and I didn't do it in any bias, I only quoted sources for it. And by the way, I am pretty sure some artciles are allowed to quote Sunni or Shia sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
There's two parts I don't udnerstand. The first is ibn Saba' part. Why did you change from the blockquote style to the non blockquote style? It's like, only a style change, nothing of the actual substance is changed. Plus, doesn't the blockquote part look better ? The second is the Shia origin part. I quote Professor Heinrich Graetz, who is secular, why did you change it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
XD. I am sorry for the misunderstanding there. As for Shia origin, I think you missed it, but I repeat, I quoted Heinrich Graetz, separate from jewishenyclopedia, and is secular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, sorry for not replying yesterday. Anyway, before you delete the updated section of the origin of Shia, let's talk first. All those that I quoted are secular. Do you have a problem with that ? Also when Professor Heinrich Graetz says "jewish perspective" he mean the race, not religion. Can we talk about this on the Shi'a Islam page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
It's the arrival of Muharram that makes the e-mujahiddeen fly their kamikaze IP addys into Muslim pages on Wikipedia. (Wow, say that one three times fast...) Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores. A fox may change its fur, but not its ways. Ogress smash! 00:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not the one who wrote about that article about Islam (I think) since this is a shared IP, but anyway after looking at the changelog seems to me that the one who modified it made a mistake, not vandalism as you assumed. Keep in mind that sometimes ppl makes mistakes and you should not always take it as evil since is not always like that.
Regards Waldo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldoalvarez00 ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Mind explaining exactly why Orientalism is not avlid for Islamic Scholarship ? secondly, Muir is considered probably the most valid source on Islamic Scholarship by non Muslim wikipedians. There are so many Islam related article which still use him as a valid source. thirdly, you detailed Muir's belief, which is ad hominem (logical fallacy). If we take Muir's belief's as a variable to determine whether he should be cited as reliable, then we might as well reject non Muslim scholars because they never had formal Islamic education under certified scholars. I do not disagree with you that he is unreliable, but so is non Muslim scholars who never had formal Islamic education, therefore, by your logic we should only use source's which have an Islamic degree in Islamic history and an ijazat for his authority on relating it. Malik Al Assad ( talk) 10:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it is wrong for you to display pictures of ahle bait. As far as the Fatima article is concerned i think it should be written in such a way that both sunnis and shias can accpet it. whats written there at the moment is unncessary.
ps: what gives you the right to tamper with the deobandi section??? i am deobandi and know more about them! so stop tampering with that page please and ill stop tampering with yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I suspect that it, like so much else, was lost in the edit wars. I chewed through the edit history trying to spot the "good stuff" that was killed in the crossfire. The article was littered with broken bits of work... I restored the pieces I spotted that I could understand. :) Hopefully, things will be better now. Thank you for restoring that bit. Cheers! sinneed ( talk) 16:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Didn't you know that most of the 313 are like that? Little did they know Khomeini's reasoning for his fatwa... taqiyyah, taqiyyah! LOL Ogress smash! 02:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear to people who visit your page :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l» (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll like to help wherever I can, but I can't understand why some people would want to basically lie about things, like they have no shame, anyway, the stuff on forced conversions is crap, I've seen first hand sikh ladies like Kiranjit Ahluwalia break free from the shackles of some Sikh men. Khalsaburg ( talk) 23:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Dear
There I am sorry but i am not so good in Wikipedia, and therefore i don't know how to join, or do things that you guys can, however i tried and thanks for the invitation.
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bye
Can you help with Abdullah Ibn Saba? The page is... well, let's just say it's a horror. If you could lend a keyboard, I'm sure Wikipedia would be most appreciative. Ogress smash! 03:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
In addition to the above comment about ibn Saba', I add in "the best edit evar": [15]. (I assume you know who Melek Taus is, but if not, read the page quickly.) Ogress smash! 10:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I have been trying to work with the rc (unreliable source?) tag in the sandbox, and it always seems to force its own little line break on me. I don't want to junk out a Wikipedia article just because I think that some of the references are trash.
Another Q: If a 12er Shia scholar has reached the upper ranks of scholarship, like becoming an Ayatullah (though not necessarily marj`a), is it possible that he could sitll be considered a secular source? I am wondering about Ayatullh Shahid Sadr with his text on Economics, Ayatullah Tabataba'i and his work on `aqidah, etc. Also, if the most recent edition of Britannica (paper & ink) that one can access is 1998, is it too ancient to use as a reference for Wikipedia?
Thank you much. I am at my wit's end on on some of these questions. Look at me not signing again for the gazillionth time. Oyy. But I remembered another Q: there was talk a while back on the Shia page about making it look more like an encyclopedia article and basing it on the same style as the article on Ismailism. Has that much already been done? What is left to do? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
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:::Progress of article: I do not feel that I know very much about the similarities among the various sects of Shia Islam. What sections are left on the Shia Islam areticle that are specific to one sect or another?
un-indent: Sounds good. Not sure how much longer I will last tonight, but am already looking at Islam article. From what you have mentioned, reducing some sections might be necessary? If so, it might be necessary to ascertain that information from those sections is already in some other article or is completely necessary. See, my brain is already shutting down - redudancy is setting in. When I do have to call it a night, I will try to give you a head's up. PinkWorld ( talk) 07:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
To revert, does one click "undo" from the history section? PinkWorld ( talk) 05:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Omigoodness I did it, wow. :) I think that Hertz beat me to another one, though. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
The "Branches" section does indeed seem too expansive. I would be more inclined to have only an introductary summary of each branch. I can already see from cross-referencing some of the subsections of the Twelver section with other articles that "Shia Islam" has more information in some of these sections than is in those other linked articles. Some transfers might be in order. How does the Ismaili section match up with its linked articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC) :p @ sinebot hmf PinkWorld ( talk) 08:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
In addition to loss of information and necessity of transferring information to external articles would be the treatment of beliefs and practises in the article once those lists of beliefs and practises are deleted or shortened in the "Branches" section. Should a discussion of beliefs and practises precede a discussion of branches?
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At this point, I have to follow your lead and let me know what I might be able to do. I can tell you that I have access to next to no resources, being in a small town in the US with a small-town library. The one time that I donated a Qur'an to our library, it "disappeared" within a year or two, so there are currently no decent books on Islam there. We have the 1998 Encyclopædia Britannica and another reference book dealing with religions (Oxford or something reliable like that). There are some Tabataba'i academic-type texts online, though the page numbers are not necessarily marked. Beyond that, I would have to rely on Google Books for references. I am something of a grammar geek, though, and usually able to spot a typo or spelling mistake. My Wiki-code is still very, very shaky. I am getting better at it, though. Let me know what the next move is.
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What to do first: compose new section(s) on beliefs & practises, or send pieces of information to other articles, or some other thing that I have missed? It looks as if the section "Concept of Imamah" will end up *inside* a section on beliefs? Me so clueless! PS I did not know that LA had so many Iranians! But I have heard that there are not many practising Shia Muslims throughout California and that there is something of a lack of decent resident `alims. It is only word of mouth, though, so I have no idea what the real deal is. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Sounds good. I have had my night and should retire for the night. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
m`a salama and fi aman Allah from the white chick PinkWorld ( talk) 09:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Egads! I'm ok with dropping in at Shiachat to ask a question, answer someone else's question, or test myself by challenging someone else; but even when I used to clickity clack away all day at that site some years ago, I felt as if I were surrounded by teenagers. There's nothing wrong with teenagers, mind you, but trying to understand text lingo and having to wade through nonsense one-liners to get at a real dialogue was frustrating. I migrated to RevertMuslimsAssociation. It is insanely late. Why have I not gone to sleep yet?? :s PinkWorld ( talk) 09:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Primary Sources: Forty Ahadith by Iamm Khumayni? Tafsir al Mizan by `Allamah Tabataba'i? *not sure* PinkWorld ( talk) 09:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I don't have too much trouble with men of any type, actually. I mention my age and weight, and they drop off like dead flies. I've been to AIM and like what I can get from it. These days, though, the Gaza situation east up a lot of my time, so I only go to one or two places before I jump right back into newsy sites. If I don't call it a night, my body will force me to. See you tomorrow; khuda hafiz. PinkWorld ( talk) 10:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Any progress in terms of organising the Shia article? I feel stuck because I am so unfamiliar with the beliefs and practises of Shia sects other than the Ithna Ashari. This means that I owuld have no idea how to generalise the beliefs and practises of Shia Islam in terms of what is common to us all. Also, will the layout of the Shia Islam article need to be changed? PinkWorld ( talk) 07:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
You mean that you plan to make an archive of the article, right? I am transferring material from the twelver section to various other twelver-related articles so that it will not be lost. I know that the article Twelver (and other Shia/Twelver articles) are a complete mess and hope to get stuff done on them, as well. By the time that I get done with some of these things, the material that I transferred might evaporate. But I am a methodological purist and just want to get the stuff over there before I work on it. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
taqlidi ≠ usuli? PinkWorld ( talk) 08:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I have copied everything that I want to from the Twelver section to other articles. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I almost wonder if one could swipe the history from Ismailism through section 2.1 and past it into the Twelver article. By sheer coincidence, my brain has just shut down. I need to hit the sack. Naturally, just when I wanted to move from tagging stuff to fleshing out articles. *sigh* PinkWorld ( talk) 09:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I finally found something that I have been looking for. I fact, I think that I had been searching for it for years. Momen's book has a listing and description of the usual ad-din and furu ad-din, all within a few pages. I scratched a mangled reference onto the Twelver article and plan to retire very, very soon to bed. Tomorrow, I want to make all effort in spite of our nasty midwestern freeze o get to the library where I have modern amenities such as javascript, Adobe Acrobat, flash, shockwave, etc. so that I can read the Google book for myself instead of just googling phrases from the book and piecing them together. How much material might be left on the Shia Islam article when you have finished re-organising it? Will it be worth the time to try to find references for various assertions made there? PinkWorld ( talk) 08:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I saw places where I Wanted to drop a tag. I shal sleep on it, inshallah, and see how I feel about it tomorrow. Inshallah I Can make it to the library. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Egads, I know! This salafist nonsense has really torn the Sunni Muslim world apart. I is really sad to see them fall away from traditional scholarship just because these new Qur'an thumpers are so charismatic. Charismatic? Or perhaps just well-funded enough to drown out the voices of traditional Sunni Islamic scholarship. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
The Athari thing was new on me. I wonder if it has nto become popular within the past five years? That is how long I was out of hte loop. It wasn't until just a few months ago that I realised that Athari is just a fancy way of saying Salafist. Btw, what has been your biggest complaint wth Ghazzali? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
sillyQ: I saw some people in Texas who wore uniformly variant headscarves - they were all the same, but definitely distinctive from most twelver headscarf styles. Is that particular to Ismailis in general, or to a particuar subset? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I met some brothers from among them, then, when I did the college thing several years ago. They are very cool folk. I wish that there were some way of strengthening fraternal bonds between them and the Ithna Ashari. Th fraternal vibes that I got off them were very heartwarming. You are very likely the first Nizari Ismaili towards whome I have felt sisterly, mashallah - though that could simply be lack of previous significant exposure. Must sleep. Take care; khuda hafiz (nothing wrong with m`a salama, no?) PinkWorld ( talk) 09:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Ya Allah, I miss my books!! :`( Nothing that I want has been scanned online! PinkWorld ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Actually, I have been googling the heck out of books and authors that I have been seeing in the references section of the Shia Islam article. I think that I have found a hit. My computer is a dinosaur, but I can use the sesrch function on Google Books to ontain text that I want to a certain extent. I am in "An Introduction to Islam..." by Mojan Momen right now. Trying to get access to `Allamah Tababai's Overview of Shia Islam (or similar) has been hell. I actually own that book, but it is in another state hundreds or thousands of miles from me. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Haan, ji, I have it (ye mera pas?) saved to my computer. It is a very fine text alhamdulillah that perhaps I can use after I fill out these lists of usul ad-din and furu ad-din inshallah. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Oops, my bad. I forgot that jaan is both Farsi and Urdu. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I wondered about Ahmadinejad: why can't he wear respectable Iranian clothing? I'm not sure if he is properly Hawzified to wear robes and stuff, but he could at least don the traditional shirt & pants. I miss President Khatami in a big phat way, can you tell. I have indeed seen some people swing radically Desi after converting. However, I did attend a mosque where I saw a lot of mixing (including of American and even Asian culture), and another where even converts to Shia Islam jumped into Arabic culture and looked down on converts who did not as if we were somehow not Muslim enough. I was surprised to get that kind of attitude from Shia Muslims. You are totally right about the salafists. Ugh. But what about Afghanis? Don't they do a decent job of preserving their culture? Does it help not to have us converts diving all up into it like the latest fad?
Must Sleep. Khuda hafiz, see you tomorrow inshallah.
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Have you done work on the Wiki article for Afghanistan? Your post on my Talk page was a very interesting read. Is Afghanistan covered in *any* news source such that one could keep abreast of Western crimes against humanity there? Wires? Local media sources online in English? Something? When Palestine falls off the mainstream media radar, I use an indy media source and a news outlet based on Gaza that has a decent English service. Btw, I finally got to see the pic that you have on your front page, and I like. Any background to it? PinkWorld ( talk) 21:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Allahumma Salli `ala Muhammad wa Aale Muhammad! I have got such texts! I did some Google Booking and copy-pasting, so I have a bunch of stuff alhamdulillah; and now I am writing my hand off copying whatever little tiny bit our backwoods library has (and has not been tossed in the trash by extremists who "borrowed" certain books). I really should go now and get back to work. PinkWorld ( talk) 17:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Holy Cats you did a bunch! I need some help. Can you explain/summarise for me which beliefs are held in common among all Shia Muslims? I don't need anything long (yet), just a mention of the names/titles/IDs of the doctrines that we all hold in common. Imamate comes to mind, and not much after that. I feel helpless not knowing this bit of information. Thank you for all of your hard work. PinkWorld ( talk) 17:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I have copy-pasted/typed in everything that I was able to get from the web and out bitty library. How might I share that file with others who are interested? Also, do you mean that tawhid, `adl, nubuwwah, imamah, and qiyyamah are all common to the various sects of Shi`ah Islam? PinkWorld ( talk) 22:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Perhaps those beliefs (and, in time, practises) that are in common with Sunni Islam could be mentioned in passing as a lead to the beliefs section? I cannot stay to do anything significant - I have to get offline to free up the phone. Be back later, inshallah. PinkWorld ( talk)Pink —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
txt file @ http://www.geocities.com/pinkownworld/TemporaryArchives/WikiShiaIslamSrcTxt.txt couldn't figure out other site with dino computer; khuda hafiz jaanu —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Why'd you remove the comments on that talk page? Ogress smash! 02:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey sister! (ey håkhar, rite? In Dari, I mean. What is it in Pashto?) Guess who started the mass revamp of the Qarmatian article? ME! Woot for new sources (which I haven't finished sourcing yet). Ogress smash! 02:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Do you mind re-writing the article yourself? I can't write it any other way. Dhrh ( talk) 14:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello I have up-dated, an article Nainawaz Request to Afghan members please keep an eye and also see if you guys can expand this article.
Thanks.
Bye.
Alishah85 ( talk) 07:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The source provided in article Sarban singer is fully made up and it does not exists. There is no such book written by Professor Enayatullah Shahrani (Dean of the Fine Arts Faculty of Kabul University) (1999). Bazmeh Ghazal, that mentions Sarban. Its all lies. My source is not youtube but rather RTA National television of Afghanistan which is famous and it was this same TV which made him famous, and he also sings in both Pashtu and Dari. He is Afgan. Alishah85 ( talk) 09:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alishah85 ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm just passing by. I won't be able to monitor or edit much. However, I hope you can check this out. There must be something I'm missing because it's getting absurd. Dhrh ( talk) 14:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Anas ibn Malik died when Abu Hanifa was 10 years old. How is he supposed to have transmitted hadith from him? Dhrh ( talk) 16:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey Pashtun Ismailiyya well yes I am, and sure anytime. t.c « Hiram111Δ TalK Δ 19:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Teleportation in Islam. End of comment. *googly eyes* Ogress smash! 04:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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25 January 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC) Salamz. weve contacted eachother before as you may remember. i was woundering if you could do me a favour and block this user:
Ar-Rumi Al-Baghdadi
he keeps editing the deobandi page and putting up a lot of nonsense up. id be grateful if you could help me with this. please do reply back thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
25 January 2009 Salamz. weve contacted eachother before as you may remember. i was woundering if you could do me a favour and block this user:
Ar-Rumi Al-Baghdadi
he keeps editing the deobandi page and putting up a lot of nonsense up. id be grateful if you could help me with this. please do reply back thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs)
assalamu `alaykum I keep forgetting to go to the library so that I can GoogleBook more sources for the section on Occultation. I will make it there, honest. PinkWorld ( talk) 01:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
walaikum asalam. sorry it was the ashraf ali thanvi page he keeps editing and putting up a load of nonsense. he told him many times but he just doesnt listen. BLOCK HIM! lol thanks!
where u from by the way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Cool . how do you do that? excuse my ignorance! —Preceding
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Hey, thanks for adding the references to the talk page at Talk:Discrimination against atheists. I'm a little curious how you responded so quickly. Have you been observing the dispute? AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 01:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Bism.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. JaGa talk 19:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Pashtun Ismailiyya,
I do not trust checkuser and I am sure that Alishah was not Beh-nam. But he was certainly a sockpuppet (as one can tell from his edits, writing style, etc), and telling from what he had posted on certain talk pages, he was not a big support for the project. He propagated racist and pseudo-scientific theories without giving any reliable sources. He even pushed ofr the Joshua Project. Tājik ( talk) 15:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know, but there have been so many of them recently. Srsly. Happy Jum3ah. Ogress smash! 21:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Pashtun Ismailiyya. I was wondering if you had any time to spice up Template:Sunni Islam in the same way you did with Template:Islam and others because that one in particular is looking a bit run down. I was also wondering whether it's a good idea to have the basmala on templates as with Template:Shia Islam, as it's not something that has been applied consistently and I'm not sure as to the need for it anyway. Regards, ITAQALLAH 18:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
assalamu `alaykum, sister Long time no login :s but I finally have been able to get some more copy-pastes from Google books. When I get home, I will try to get them to you. PinkWorld ( talk) 19:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Pink
salam I am now encountering many things in which I disagree with the author. Right now, though, I am exhausted and care more about getting everyting online and over to you. http://www.geocities.com/pinkownworld/TemporaryArchives/IntroShiiIslamMomen.txt PinkWorld ( talk) 05:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Pink
assalamu `alaykum
Are you ok? If so, then mabruk! :) I have been wondering if the article should cover beliefs not so much in an exclusionary fashion but in an inclusive fashion - but only for core beliefs, not the tangentals or incidentals that belong in spin-off articles. Thoughts?
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assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
Just curious - how does an Afghani wedding differ from Iranian, Pakistani, etc. weddings?
Why tragedy? I have heard less than rave reviews from people who did a Pakistani-style wedding, but after some counselling, they recovered ;)
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assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
Sister, there is some guy who thinks that he is going to restruture the Shia Islam article. Can you have a look, please?
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Hello PI-yya, can you keep an eye on Ruhollah Khomeini please? Some IP keeps removing stuff he doesn't like, including the idea that Khomeini learned mathematics when he was young, which is directly sourced from Moin, or that Khomeini was really popular. It is silly, but alas, until he tires of it or gets blocked the information might get removed again. I do hope you can help, thank you. A baby turkey citation needed 01:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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Signing so this gets archived. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya 23:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, we're starting the discussion on A-Class here today, thanks for signing up! I hope you can present your views. Thanks, Walkerma ( talk) 07:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the assist in re: Wikipedia:MOSISLAM issh on Sistani. Now for the hard part: getting it moved to "Ali Sistani" instead of "Grand Ayatollah...", which is warranted as well. Some of them have been moved by others, some by me, but Sistani is going to be a pain. Ogress smash! 04:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
... to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. *sigh* Ogress smash! 09:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I removed that bit about the Occultation because no living Ismaili group believes it. The Qarmatians did, true. In light of your point, is there a way to restructure the sentence to make it clear it is an archaic belief? The sentence reads as if "Ismailis" believe it, but the link is to an article that starts by saying that Ismailis and Zaydis don't believe in Occultation! I ran into the sentence and it was like a brick wall, I was like, "Whaaat? That's totally wrong!" Opinions? Ogress smash! 13:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
User:Pashtun lsmaiIiyya. I've reported and stuff, but you should keep tabs. Ogress smash! 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Why are you removing the pic of a Pashtun man from the article? You have doubts about him being Pashtun? Well, the article is about people and not about history,,,, to be having only historical pics. We need some "good quaity" pics there. I am a photographer and I'm not in love with people in pics but the quality of the pic or shots. Please control yourself this is just article building. Everything that people want to know is available online so POVs are just waste of time. As a Pashtun myself, I'm not here to make my people better than others. It's not like Wikipedia is the only place to get info.-- Omidirani ( talk) 07:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
...for noticing me. I've seen some of your work, as we have edited several of the same articles, and I'm very flattered that you took the time to leave me a message. In fact, I do already have an account and username (with over 5,000 edits) but I haven't logged in for several months and am embarrassed by my absence, so now I'm hiding behind an IP. I will make a point of logging in soon, and when I do I will introduce myself properly. Until then, please keep up your most excellent efforts on behalf of the encyclopedia! 67.173.185.224 ( talk) 15:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
That didn't take long. Several pages I'm interested in are locked against IP edits, and your invitation was enough to push me into logging in. First, it's a pleasure to "meet" you. Second, please don't let my username mislead you, I don't actually have a doctorate in any subject, "Doc" is just a nickname I've had for decades. I noticed the RfC at Iran, regarding the Middle Ages section, and I'm in the process of reviewing all the material before making comment. It seems you are on the right path regarding some sort of balance between the two sides, and I look forward to more in-depth discussion with you on the talkpage. Doc Tropics 17:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for taking note of me (and for stepping up to my defence at, that!) and my edits. I'm glad to help out Wikipedia insofar as I am able.
I actually know very little about Islam, as it were, and primarily came across those pages in my attempt to learn more; after all, how can an educated man—as I like to consider myself—not be at least somewhat informed on a religion which has so many followers worldwide and which is at the centre of so much of today's news? That is how I came to make my edits: I've noticed so much vandalism on this site that, my general hatred of POV down-throat-forcing notwithstanding, it's become nearly impossible for the uninformed (like me) to make heads or tails of the whole thing. How are we, for example, to be able to distinguish genuine Shia doctrine from propaganda planted in an article by overzealous Shia Muslims... or from Sunni propaganda, for that matter?
Would that we who are parched for knowledge would be able to quench our thirst from an unpolluted stream! Am I too naïve for thinking that that may someday be possible?
On second thought: don't answer that. RavShimon ( talk) 00:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
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Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions. An article you recently created, Aql (Shiasm), may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines for new articles, so it will shortly be removed (if it hasn't been already). Please use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do and please read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. Thank you. You may want to cover a wider area of the subject at first, and see if it deserves splitting into subpages only once you have enough material to warrant it. Coren 21:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for working on our information on Shi'a Islam, particularly Ismailism. I don't know much about the topic, but I am interested and I am happy to see it being worked on more. I have a few suggestions on formatting. Try to add categories, as I readded to Ismailism and added to your reincarnation in Ismailism. Also, you should add more links to other articles in your articles. Most good Wikipedia articles are pretty heavily wikified, and it helps readers to find more information on related topics. Let me know if you need any help or have questions about Wikipedia. Academic Challenger 21:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think you need to add the Islamic sects category to articles that are not actually about Islamic sects. You don't need to add the Islam category to everything either. The reason that the Shi'a Islam and Ismailism categories are there is so that the Islam category doesn't get overfilled. Academic Challenger 22:05, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation of why the Ismailism article is the way it is right now. Your ideas for future improvement make good sense, and I hope you or someone else can make those changes as time allows. Good thinking, and good work! Timotheos 18:22, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Salam alaykum. You can speak with User:Striver about Shia-related articles, with Itaqallah about Sunni-related and Islam-related articles and with Aminz about Islam-related articles. You can find in which field other wikipedians are expert in Wikipedia:WikiProject Islam/Expert Wikipedians in Islamic issues-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 02:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
considering the high level of vandalism on the shia and twelver templates, I think a request for full-protection of the templates is required! Wikipedia:Requests for page protection-- Gerash 77 04:28, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
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Salaam Aleikum Enzuru...
Is Batiniyya a term that predominantly applies to Ismailism? Before your recent edits it sounded like it was a general term for religions/sects with esoteric views... if the term applies to all of them equally, I'm wondering if the changes you just made are appropriate. I don't know, and I'm a pretty new editor, so... just asking. – cacahuate talk 01:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru. Apparently you're mistaken, as I didn't create any of the articles, not for that matter have I even edited them. :-) Maybe Striver is the one you might be looking for. I honestly can't help much because I'm not very knowledgeable in these matters. Cheers, Anas talk? 11:36, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
We could change the structure of the template to first have events of Jesus life shared by all and then the particular concepts first of Christianity, then of Islam. Placing VB, as I did, under Christianity is not ideal but it is way better than to place it under Islam. Str1977 (smile back) 20:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
You're welcome. But you should have kept the Quran in 'books'. If you need any help, let me know. KlakSonn Talk 10:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind, I reinserted Qur'an because the Sunni template includes Qur'an in "books" and not including it in the template gives the impression that Shi'as don't have a book. KlakSonn Talk 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
Hey. Can you get an admin to protect Template:Shi'a Islam? Someone is getting on my nerves and reverting my edits. Thanks. KlakSonn Talk 22:31, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
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What I took out in the Twelver article I moved to the Usooli one, because it only applies to Usoolis. Thanks. -- Enzuru 02:30, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
Why are you insisting on putting this picture? The only real pictures of this person in existance are in B&W. Note he died in 1908. The coloured ones are made up, so for the sake of originality and fairness to the person, original black and white image should be used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik07 ( talk • contribs) 08:10, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear sir, Thanks for the message on my page. Its just a short message for clarification regarding the picture of Hadhrat Ahmad in Ahmadiyya info. box. As a member of the Ahmadiyya muslim community, we feel that any re-touched photographs of the founder of the community should not be used or published for the sake of authenticity. The other smaller Lahore Ahmadiyya movement faction did published the colorized photo, but for the majority of the followers of Hadhrat Ahmad, this is not appropriate. The imposed colour on the photo does not correspond to historic descriptions of the founder of the community. This policy of not altering the relics or photos from that time is to ensure that no additions are made to the items which may influence the impression made by those images/relics. I hope this clarifies the situation. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 14:40, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
Dear brother, thanks for your kind message. As far I am aware, there are 4 or 5 pictures of Promised Messiah available. I think you can find them in the alislam.org galleries. SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 10:16, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
Hello. I just wanted to let you know that I have modified a page that you have created. The page is Hindrellez. I changed that page to a redirect to Alevi so when people type in "Hindrellez", they will be sent to the Alevi page instead. The reason I did this is because there was no content on Hindrellez other than 1 sentence which said it was a holiday. I then removed the wikilink of the word "Hindrellez" on Template:Alevism because it would just lead to a redirect back to the original page. If you have any further questions, please ask them on my talk page, as I will not monitor your page for replies. Thank You. - Rjd0060 22:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Man, I checked out those templates and they are some major pieces of work there. You've given me a lot to think about...my mind isn't totally swayed yet, but I tell you, if you're willing to help with the reformatting of the Sunni template like you did with those it might be. Good job, i'm going to go check out the template's talk page for now. MezzoMezzo 02:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
Dear Brother, AoA, Ahmadiyya fiqh is indeed based on the Hanafi principles. Although there is much more room provided for Ijtehad in interpreting the Shariah. The Ijtehad is based on principles elaborated by Hz. Ahmad and his successors. You can see the copies of the Fiqh books here... http://www.alislam.org/urdu/fiqah/ SK —Preceding unsigned comment added by SaifullahKhalid ( talk • contribs) 12:29, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Ahmadiyya fiqah accepts the many logical components of other jurists apart from Imam Abu Hanifa. But we consider Imam Abu Hanifa to be the most valid and reasonable among the four. As for Shia Imams, we do consider them to be learned men of the highest order who followed their noble ancestors with great care. Although we have fundamental difference of opinion with Shia view of Imamat, but we view historical events around the original disputes as unfortunate man made errors and not deliberate attempts to sieze power from any party. wassalam. SK —Preceding
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Salam. I think I will be a good tewmplate if you remove Theology of Twelvers . Please pay attention to Fatima article. We need your help.-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 15:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
The article structure as it currently stands conforms to the basic WP:Biography format. It could certainly do with some expansion. We're currently trying to get the article to GA status and if you have suggestions for improvements, feel free to discuss them in the talk page. Thanks. → AA ( talk) — 21:31, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
I'll see if I can get on the talk page tomorrow. Where do you train out of? I might know of them, depending on where you live. MezzoMezzo 04:41, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Please write your idea about Merging Mätam, Azadari of Muharram and Majlis-e-Aza to Commemoration of Husayn ibn Ali( here) and Imambargah to Hussainia ( here). Thanks-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 03:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Thank you for your message. I have posted my comments on the relevant discussion page. Best regards, Nazli 03:14, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Enzuru: Thanks for the message. Point taken; though I cannot totally agree with you about aesthetics over knowledge! Please see the discussion page for my suggestions. Regards, Sufaid 09:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Salam alaykum.
A lot of effort has done on this article and I want to nominate it as good article after adding some other sources. Please check it and tell me your idea. Thanks-- Sa.vakilian( t- c) 18:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Selam,
i would ask if you really are of pasthun ancestry?
You wrote that you are kemalist? Do you live in Turkey?
If you are Alevi, from which tribe ar you?
Send me a mail: westberlin85 AT gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.127.93.56 ( talk) 22:36, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
-- Carabinieri 13:36, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
I have to ask why you put Ataturk on the Alevi template. I have specifically checked if it was you, but you did design parts of it and you are a kemalist, the evidence points to you. I recommend you remove it, being that the man wasn't even a muslim. Not to mention he is hated in many parts of the islamic world for good reason (hijabs in Turkey, look it up). —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ishvara7 ( talk • contribs) 05:12, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
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Thanks for the information of Mustafa Kemal. I will drop any critcism of your template. I was also kind of wondering if you would help me with the criticism of Islam section under Islam. For some reason Christianity doesn't have a criticism section, yet the main article is equally as long as Islam's. It's only fair someone add a critcism section to all religions or none of them. User: Ishvara7
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Salam
Please help me with List of Twelver's Imams. I want to nominate it as a Featured lists on the basis of the WP:WIAFL. Please write your review o the talk page. I would be grateful if you cleaned up the list.-- Seyyed( t- c) 16:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Salam. I think we should seperate the third one and call them Jafari's sects. All of them fallows Jafari jurisprudence . The other ones differ fundamentally. And I guess Yazdanism is an offshoot sect. I guess in Iran people know them as Satanism. Do you have any good reference which show they are Twelvers. What's your idea about 12 Qutb Sufism. As I know there were too many of them in Iran before Safavi dynasty. -- Seyyed( t- c) 15:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Can we call some Shia clerics like Allame Qazi, Allame Tehrani and some others who believe in Irfan and follow Jafari jurisprudence, Sufi. Can we put them in Template:Sufism. I want to make a separate part in this template and call it Irfan of Shia.-- Seyyed( t- c) 15:48, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I have looked over criticism of christianity articles. I would have to say Christianity still deserves a criticism section. Not only does it have a main aticle, but it has a criticism article for nearly all of its sects. There is just too much criticism written on Christianity for it to merely be placed in the "See Also" section. Ishvara7 022:49, 17 Nov 2007 (UTC)
Salam, I find an online version of the part one of History of Islamic philosophy. I believe we can use it to improve articles about Shia, Twelvers and Ismaili faiths. In fact I understand the meaning of "Imam of time" when I read this book.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:52, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
Salam, Can you please write your idea here.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Salam Aleik!
It seems as if we made almost the same userbox Enzuru...
User:Oren neu dag/my userboxes/User:Richard0612/Userbox Archive/Secular Turkey
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This user is a Kemalist and supports secularism. |
My userbox was made in September 9th 2007, while your userbox was made in October 1st 2007 and so my question is: Were u inspired by my userbox to create yours?
I have no doubt that yours is certainly very beautiful (although not as beautiful as mine) but since it is very much the same i'd like to ask u to give me some credit for the idea behind your Userbox and show it on your userpage. -
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I have also a Shah Supporting userbox if u want to use it
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feel free to use it. Oren neu dag ( talk) 03:55, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
What ever happened to fixing Sunni Islam? MezzoMezzo ( talk) 05:02, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Merhaba, Türkçe biliyor musunuz?
The image you created is really nice. Thanks for the good work. But I think that you should add the crescent to whole image: http://www.al-islam.org/gallery/photos/ali2.gif. Your work looks.. a bit "cut". :) Can you do that? Kaygtr ( talk) 14:19, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
Salam alaykum This article was too weak and violated copyright as well as WP rules. Therefor I rewrote it. I hope you can help me with it.-- Seyyed( t- c) 17:20, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Can you help me with Sources_of_sharia#Aql_and_Ijtihad. I'm not exactly sure how to go about writing this. Bless sins ( talk) 18:16, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum
I've nominated Twelve Imams as a featured list ( here). Please pay attention to it. Thanks. -- Seyyed( t- c) 04:05, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
I see you're making the "Shia" and the "Twelver" templates hideous and keeping the Ismaili one intact. What sick reason is behind this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.216.114.80 ( talk) 20:36, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
Salam, Somebody began to review the article. Please check and help s with it. God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 10:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Please stop editing the Shia and Twelevrs templates. They look extremely hideous. How would you like it if I did the same with the Ismaili template and replaced the calligraphy image with that of the spoiled Karim Agha Khan? Stop it. It's irritating. FiveRupees ( talk) 11:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
You shouldn't have taken it too far by insulting me. I suggest you revert your own edits to the templates and wait until consensus is reached. Also, I am not Punjabi or South Asian. Are there many Twelver Pashtuns? Just as many as flying pigs. FiveRupees ( talk) 22:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Please don't bother replying. I shouldn't be wasting my time with pathetic people who spend their lifetime editing this biased "encyclopedia". FiveRupees ( talk) 22:24, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum. Can you please tell us your view about this issue. Thanks.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, Please add your viewpoint about the lead of Shia Islam here.-- Seyyed( t- c) 03:05, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
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There is no need to monopolize the Shi'a Islam template and assume its ownership, and show complete disregard for the many Shi'ites who do not want the picture of Ali to be displayed and who believe that Ali or his picture do not symbolize Shi'a Islam. Better to leave the template as I last edited it and avoid hurting the feelings of many people by reinstating it. FiveRupees ( talk) 18:51, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
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Salam, Excuse me. I recently read your comment about 12 Imams images. I couldn't find anything about their copyright situation. I checked this site and think their copyright situation are unknown.-- Seyyed( t- c) 06:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
I would like to thank you. It means a lot to me that you care about my opinion on the matter, and even more that you consider me impartial. I worry, however, that it is not entirely so, because as a Baha'i I do ascribe to the Shia mode of thought and believe that Ali was Muhammad's legitimate successor. Still, I shall do my best to set my personal beliefs in the matter aside and focus on the encyclopedic nature of the template. Peter Deer ( talk) 01:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Insofar as translations goes, it is quite true much of the writings of the Babi dispensation differ greatly from the writings of Baha'u'llah, but it bears noting that the Baha'i dispensation abrogated the vast majority of those laws (specific ones are generally referred to in the Kitab-i-Aqdas) and even the Bab Himself considered His dispensation and His laws to be beneath those of Baha'u'llah.
"For all that hath been exalted in the Bayan is but as a ring upon My hand, and I Myself am, verily, but a ring upon the hand of Him Whom God shall make manifest -- glorified be His mention!" (The Bab, Selections from the Writings of the Bab, p. 168)
I think generally the majority of concerns regarding the Baha'i Administration come from people who are upset that the Universal House of Justice does not abrogate laws laid down by Baha'u'llah, Abdu'l-Baha, or Shoghi Effendi, specifically the laws outlining that the members of the House be men and that homosexual relationships are forbidden, not taking into account that the House does not have the authority to abrogate the Law of Baha'u'llah. I'm sure there are others who have other objections and concerns, but those are the more controversial ones.
Another reason why many things have not been translated is the translation of Baha'i scripture is a very careful and meticulous process. By my understanding, it is seen to be preferable not to present the religious texts than to misrepresent them and pervert their true meanings. As Shoghi Effendi was the authorized interpreter of Baha'i scripture, his translations are used as models for future translations, both in their interpretations and in their presentation.
The Bab's work is being translated, but slowly, partially because of the meticulous translation process, and partially because of the meticulous authentication process. Much of the work of the Bab was dictated rather than written in His hand, so much work has to be done to make sure that the source is authentic, as Covenant-Breakers and hostile Muslim authorities have made attempts to pass off things as being written by the Bab before. Most of the authenticated and translated works have been compiled into
Selections from the Writings of the Bab.
In conclusion, I have confidence in the good faith of the institutions who are translating the holy scripture. The primary objective so far seems to have been the complete, faithful, and accurate translation of the works of Baha'u'llah and Abdu'l-Baha, as they pertain directly to the laws and ordinances of the Baha'i dispensation. The Persian believers, however, do have the benefit of access to the Bab's writings in their original form and, largely because of the persecution of Baha'is in Iran, are now spreading and disseminating throughout the western world and bringing those teachings and modes of thought with them.
And no, I do not mind talking about it outside of an article, in fact I enjoy talking with Muslims in particular because they are often more familiar with certain concepts pertinent to the Baha'i faith than I am (ask most Americans what Mahdi means, or who Husayn Ibn Ali is, or what the Qiblih/Qibla is, and they'll just stare at you) and frankly it's a privilege to speak with a Shia Muslim as, sadly, almost all of the few western Muslims are Sunnis. So I welcome your questions and even your opinions and commentary, as I am also personally interested in what the sane Muslims who aren't trying to kill us think of us.
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Hey salaam man, I saw your edit on the Salafism article. The criticism was well sourced, but the thing was none of the articles were criticizing Salafism; in fact, only one of the articles seemed to mention it and it was passing. I think the sources might be quite relevant, though, on the Wahhabism article or perhaps the First Saudi State, as they all seemed more specifically to be criticizing those than Salafism. MezzoMezzo ( talk) 06:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Salaam, I actually changed all the pictures of the Shia Templates. The picture of the sword is not appropriate for there and it shows violence in Islam which Shias are not violent.َAnd Also, the picture has the name of 12th Imam in the middle and should be used for Twelvers. َ-- BigDevil Talk 20:30, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
I have been working on fixing the broken POV quagmire that is the Ahl al-Bayt article. I wanted the help of reliable and dedicated people from both Sunni and Shia backgrounds to help work on this. If you would be up for it I would be much indebted to you. Peter Deer ( talk) 08:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
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Salam Alaykum,
Thanks a lot. You've made great effort, but I think it may confuse the reader. You see, A lot of information packed beside each other. -- Seyyed( t- c) 01:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
This article is nominated as a good one. Can you check it please.-- Seyyed( t- c) 01:20, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Hello Enzuru! In regards to the template, I have a few suggestions. and comments
I am interested in knowing what you are going for so far as improvements over the first template. If I get an idea of what you have in mind I think I'd know more how to help. Peter Deer ( talk) 06:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Salam bro,
Don't you want to participate in Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Collaboration. Please participate in collaborative improvement of Sources of Islamic law, which is nominated as GA.-- Seyyed( t- c) 09:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
I really appreciate how have been creating templates on Twelvers, but I the depictions you added of the Imams take so much of their value, especially when the depictions are bad ones. Hopefully, Enzuru, you will view how this is offensive to many, mostly because the depictions are bad and the Imams all look like each other, but also because depictions, though permissible, are not representative of the Imams and make them look less infallible. FiveRupees ( talk) 14:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum,Thanks for your effort.
I think you should add the name of the Messenger of Allah under Panj Tan picture in Imams template like Template:Ali.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:36, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm interested in seeing what proposals you have. In my opinion, all we need to ensure we deal with issues sensitively and in a neutral manner can be found in the core content policies, especially WP:NPOV. Same with hadith guidelines etc., I simply believe that WP:N should be applied to them just as we would any other article. I have applied precisely the same principle to needless 'pro-Sunni' 'Hadith of ...' articles too like the successfully deleted ' Hadith of Abu Bakr leading the prayer'. As long as we stick to neutrality policy, insist upon only the highest quality sources, ensure that article topics are notable and of independent significance, then I think we have most bases covered. But if we want to just restate those things in terms more relevant to Islam related articles then I'm happy with that. I'd recommend a blander name for the guideline instead of 'One Ummah', as WP:ISLAM is for both Muslims and non-Muslims alike. ITAQALLAH 23:45, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks you for inviting me. It looks like a great initiative, will pitch in as and when I can. Best regards, Nazli ( talk) 01:14, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
Must...resist...adorable charm....I've got to be....a macho...man... Peter Deer ( talk) 22:35, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Certainly, I will gladly help. I'll be cracking a couple books I haven't touched in a while. Peter Deer ( talk) 23:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for your note. I'd be happy to restore either/both these articles to a sandbox page for you so that you can add the references to articles in magazines that you quoted. The sandbox page will let you work on the articles without having to worry about their immediate deletion, as frequently happens to work in progress. If that would be acceptable, just leave me a note. (Sorry for the delay; I was on vacation.) Accounting4Taste: talk 02:27, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
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Thanks for your contribution in Twelve Imams list and making nice templates. Seyyed( t- c) 17:34, 17 June 2008 (UTC) |
Hi Enzuru. Yes, I think listing other Ahl al-Kisa and providing the devotional image slants it too much to one perspective. ITAQALLAH 21:09, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
I shall certainly carry out your request. It saddens me that you are leaving, it was nice to have a friend here. May you go in God's care! Allah-u-Akbar! Peter Deer ( talk) 09:37, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
Hi, and i'm sorry that i'm coming by only to find that you've just left. When you get back, i need to talk to you about the move of what is now
Twelver Shi`ism back from the
Ithna-'Ashariyya title; i have no doubt that it was an innocent mistake, but it is important to prevent repetition. Drop me a line, or, if you prefer, read up on
WP:cut and paste move first. Thanks,
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Just out of curiousity, why did you maove The Brain Technologies back to TheBrain Technologies? -- Ŵïllî§ï$2 ( Talk!/ Cont.) 01:58, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In case you are around, GreenEcho (the 12-headed sockpuppetteer now known as User:Enforcing Neutrality) has decided to delete all images from Shi'a pages. I would ask you to investigate as it is against consensus and I cannot revert against him. Naahid بنت الغلان Click to talk 02:56, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Calling me edits vandalism, now? En Ne talk 23:27, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Salam Brother,
I'm happy to meet you again here. Don't you think you waste your time by participation in endless discussions on using Imams' pictures. God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 02:17, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Why are you deleting about this individual, who is a well-reputed modern sufi, it is mentioned only because it discusses about modern sufis. Please let it be there. -- Asikhi ( talk) 11:36, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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For the amazing redesign of Template:Islam. Probably one of the best-looking templates I have seen on Wikipedia. Veggy ( talk) 05:52, 15 August 2008 (UTC) |
Hi there I really like your design of the template, looks really great. But I don't think the color was the right choice, which was black. It does not suit the religion of Islam, but I think if you done it in a type of green color then it will look better. Good work. M Miah ( talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC) Actually it sort of looks alright if I look at it again, not really sure because it looks great?
I found this on a discussion page about images of the Imaam and I thought it was so rad I modified it and thought you might want to stick it up on your userpage. I certainly did. :-) [[Image:Schreck.jpg|left|thumb|[[Imamah (Shi'a doctrine)|Imam]] ‘Alī was a VAMPIRE!]] Image:Schreck.jpg Yours in Peace, ناهد𒀭(dAnāhita) 𒅴 21:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
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Hi Enzuru, Thank you for your message and the kind words. My affinity for using assembly has more to do with a lack of options than anything else!! Best regards, Nazli ( talk) 02:19, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, You've done a nice attempt. God bless you.
Unfortunately I'm too busy and my PC has some problem. Thus I can't help you with it.-- Seyyed( t- c) 07:28, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
Salaam alayka Ya Enzuru,
I have a software problem because I'm on a Mac... I keep trying but I can't get the file to play. I'll keep working on it, though. Also, have you seen my edits to Yaresan? The ghulaat Ahl-e Haqq are waaaay confused with the non-Muslim types, and they all need editing. Maybe you can help? -Nahed ( Em0 at the café) 19:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on Haroriya right now... if you have some information on the assassination of ‘Alī, it would be great if you would look at the page. It is ironic that that page is such a disaster given their fairly crucial role in Muslim history... or if you can recommend other editors who might want to lend a hand? I can't access Arabic script, only cut and paste, so I can't even write the name.
And yes, I'm going to move the page to Harurism or something similar (gotta check Wikipedia:MOSISLAM for how to appropriately name sects, I think it's -ism name these days). Who named that page? Gah. ناهد𒀭(dAnāhita) 𒅴 21:46, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Salam Brother,
Can you please choose another color like dark blue for the background of the Template:Islam. -- Seyyed( t- c) 13:54, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure. I've reverted the template to yesterday's 22:45 version but retained the added category and reduced the relatively large gaps between the sections. Sardanaphalus ( talk) 02:05, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
[[Hotaki dynasty|Hotaki kingdom]]<br/> [[Durrani Empire|Durrani {kingdom/Empire}]]
, i.e. one line for each..?
Sardanaphalus (
talk)
02:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
The vandal who keeps switching the images on Template:Pashtuns is the indef banned User:Beh-nam. He is a radical Shia Farsiwan from Toronto, Canada, who is engaged in bashing ethnic Pashtuns everywhere on Wikipedia. His latest sockpuppets are Special:Contributions/PashtoonEditor and Special:Contributions/User:Mohammad777. You may report these sockpuppets to User talk:Alison, she is very familiar with Beh-nam and will be able to block him from future vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.30.67.129 ( talk) 19:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
You are edit warring. Stop now or be blocked.-- Tznkai ( talk) 02:22, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey Enzuru, I updated 'aql to a real article. Woot.
Also, the real reason I came by was to recommend Zotero. It's a Firefox add-on. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 01:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
Awesome template... and yah, I know what it's a parody of. (And thanks again - I hate that thing.) ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 01:34, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
User:Enzuru/Whatever, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Enzuru/Whatever and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Enzuru/Whatever during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Josh Atkins ( talk - contribs) 15:41, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem. Of course, it's much easier with Huggle.:P The IP has been blocked for 24 hours.-- Xp54321 ( Hello! • Contribs) 04:29, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations, and don't be so negative... besides, you can still be orthodox. Ooh look, you can buy yurts! ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 04:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
I'm interested in minority groups on Islam, although I am jaw-droppingly unorthodox in my practice. Friends with the khaa6ibaat and imaamaat and female prayer initiative, don't "veil" (traditionally, I mean: I cover the juyuub with cloth and between navel and above the knee as commanded), think Michael Muhammad Knight single-handedly brought me to Islam, love taqwacore music, cried watching A Jihad for Love, am not only trans but also a dyke, mourn 3Ali, Hasan & Husayn during 3aashuuraa but adore 3ayishah, think the the harūriyyah were right about picking the best person as Imaam...
In any case, thanks for your kind words. God bless you and ease your troubles, I will say al-idyaa' for you (duas). (God listens to sinners, so it should get through.)
& رمضان مبرك to you too!
I was thinking the same thing. But for now, I do not have the possibility to work on many articles. I will ask you when I need your help. Thank you. Tājik ( talk) 20:08, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Hey, just one question: are you a Shia Muslim? Tājik ( talk) 00:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Salam Alaykum, I hope you've had good Ramadan, Recently, I've edited Ali's caliphate up to here and need your help to correct my lingual mistakes. Thanks a lot and God bless you.-- Seyyed( t- c) 07:01, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
OMG I just got my userpage vandalised for that picture of Imam 'Ali as a vampire... TWICE. Hahaha. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 17:52, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
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S/A and Eid Mubarak~
I was wondering if you could adjust the Template:Infobox Imams for me.. adjusting it to: having the name of the Imam at the top, moving "Twelve Imams of Shi'a Islam" to the bottom (above the pic - Almahdi.png), and changing the 'Rank' to a label (this way it would be more fair for Ismaili's, Eg. Status: Twelver 4th Imam, Ismaili 3rd Imam, etc). I have no idea how to work with those templates.. lol. (er.. and im a twelver in case its not yet obvious)
Many Thanks~ Toushiro ( talk) 04:12, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Sure, you're quite the Twelver. Man, it's pathetic. You spending all your time in this place thinking you're some kind of secretive Ismaili James Bond, sent to spread the Ismaili message and sabotage the Twelver one. Do what you want, I'm out of this place. When I find myself arguing with a pathetic delusional prick and a transsexual lesbian freak of nature, it means I'm taking this place way too seriously. Regards, 77.42.182.239 ( talk) 01:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Don't be depressed as hell. Rent something good like 800 Bullets (800 Balas) or Nightwatch and get cheered up. :-) ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 06:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Could you please upload the pictures on Wikimedia Commons too with a proper license, so they can be available for other Wikipedias else well? It would be very nice. With kind regards, -- Auc ( talk) 23:51, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Girl, I really hate the Fall. All the morons go back to school. All my watched pages are showing up - and all of them are showing up as reverted vandalism or as vandalism needing reverting. Plus User:Klaksonn's got a hard-on for me again and is spam-chaining IPs and spewing nasty epithets at me. *sigh* ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
That is what I have tried to do, but secular extremists really don't accept the 'why?' business for some reason. Mohsin ( talk) 22:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
New, concerned...and you're a girl? ( BentAlBatoul ( talk) 05:31, 13 October 2008 (UTC))
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Hey, can you help me with an image issue? I have no skillz0r. I need to rotate an image that someone uploaded b/c it's totally screwing up a page format. If you could take a look at the top image in Falcata - I was hoping to turn that huge picture vertical, do I have to import a new version of it? (It's not my upload... I just found that mess.) I know how good you are with pitchers, so I figured I'd ask. There must be a format command to turn a photo somewhere... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 18:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
<3 <3 <3 for the halping. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 18:37, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I'm curious why you keep making this edit to Yazidi. [3] It seems to just be a formatting issue, and isn't in accordance with our Manual of Style ( WP:MOSDATE) Is there something I'm missing? -- El on ka 05:32, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
Even though you might consider Indonesian and Javanese culture to be entirely islamic - that is a serious mistake for an encyclopedia article to have such a blanket claim - it is not NPOV and potentially provocative - do not be suprised if it is not moved Satu Suro 00:24, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
There are significant issues arising from the issue of what constitutes the themes of culture in something as large and as complex as indonesian culture - I am sure that India or China do not have single cultural templates for any of their cultural expressions - similarly Indonesia is not any one label - thank you Satu Suro 00:30, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
So for that reason again it is provocative to actually place the template on expressions that have complex external and homegrown influence - Islam is not the predominate early influence in Javanese culture and should not be templated on to those cultural expressions - the logical extension would be to have up to 4 or 5 templates - and end up a mess like the sriwijaya article with more boxes than article - no thanks - there is virtually no part of either of those articles that actually discusses the issue which you are templating either - so the template placement is indeed provocative - so please do not Satu Suro 00:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
You are too accommodating - which can be both good and bad here on wikipedia :(
I am not the slightest bit offended - I am concerned for any one 'claim' for any aspect of Javanese or Indonesian culture - despite the overwhelming demographic weight of claimed allegiances to religious or political allegiances in Indonesia the actual ethnic complexity might seem to an outsider - the problem for an encyclopedia to have an even weighted and well constructed NPOV stance - (and may you never meet the nastier dark corners of this weird goldfish bowl where every single corner is well lit :( ) - the application of the islamic template on the literature of the country should in all fairness have the hindu template and a separate javanese template as well as a sukarno template as well as a modernist template and a sectioned template of european, american, communist, captialist, right wing conservatism, catholic, influences as well - Indonesian literature cannot be so easily plugged with one major factor of influence - if from my living there and conducting post grad fieldwork and looking at the evidence of my wifes phd work there - I had thought there was one single influence over the literature of the country I would not bother you in the slightest and let it stay - but I am very sorry the story is a lot more complex - regardless of what simplistic over-generalisations of the current cultural expressions of the country at the moment are created by media from outside of the country for their own purposes - so may your stay on wikipedia be a good one - but please expect to meet an ed like self - every now and then - who is prepared to try to explain why an issue might have more to it than simply a revert without comment Satu Suro 00:50, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I am very concerned that you are in a territory that has been seriously compromised in the past in this particular wiki - many eds went to a separate wiki following the incessant bad faith editing by a number of anti eds - please take care - the scene might have changed but they gave this wiki a bad reputation while they claimed to be neutralising POV in various edit styles within your area - I am not sure the current state as my editing in the area has been minimal - so insha allah your journey in this strange place is not as bad if you had tried a year ago or so Satu Suro 01:09, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
The Template:Islamic Culture you created is breathtaking! Wow! Well done! Chesdovi ( talk) 13:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
WTH is a Mal(l)ang? Some kind of Ali-extremist who tortures himself? ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 21:13, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Did you think about maybe giving them a Sockpuppet warning? ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:30, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
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Awarded for doing what was previously thought to be impossible: Making a truly beautiful template. Your work at Template:Islamic Culture is truly to be commended. A ni Mate 00:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC) |
is the devil. CAN'T STOP PLAAAYINGGG~ ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 03:08, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
<3 ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 07:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
Hello, please don't vandalism my work as you did on the whabbism article, id you suspect someone is lying (i.e. that is technically what you are accusing me of) then at the {{fact}} tag, don't do reverts, its considered vandalism. -- James Wanten ( talk) 23:05, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I've used the citations, thank you. Are you familiar with some ahem whabbis, who consider women to have half the intellect of men, and consider shias infidels? -- James Wanten ( talk) 23:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
OMG girl those templates are hawt. FABULOUS job.
The Muhammad one is just amazing... ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
actually, if you get time, could you tweak the infobox to be added to Al-Abbas ibn Ali page? ~ Toushiro ( talk) 03:46, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
(copying from my (Elonka's) talkpage)
I recently read about Rollback. Aside from my recent stalker, on the Islam articles, from day one of my contributions with this account, I have seen tons of vandalism, both intentional and unintentional edits breaking NPOV. This is especially visible in my areas of concern in Islam, primarily where different branches and schools intersect and diverge. Within the overall Islam articles, I have to stop NPOV-breaking where the Sunni majority opinion takes over an article, and within the Shi'a Islam article stop vandalism where the Twelver majority opinion takes over the article. My improvements in these areas have been my most proud achievements, especially since I have never been involved in changes the wider community disagreed with, usually just fringe editors, most of whom are banned now.
The other issue I deal with quite often is the censorship of pictures I have introduced throughout the Shi'a articles. At least once a week I see vandalism in this area.
Aside from one very unfortunate incident on Template:Islam where I and another editor argued over jurispudence being put in the article (all my other edits I have handled wonderfully on that template), I've never done anything that would be considered abusive. What is the procedure for me to get the rollback right? -- Enzuru 10:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The bit about Massoud has been archived. It was by Tājik dated 22 July 2006. Here is the comment (my highlight):
Begin quote:
Biruni is certainly more important than Hammasa Kohistani who is hardly recognized as "Tajik", or Ahmad Shah Massoud who himself has never considered himself "Tajik" or any important for the Tajiks as a nation. al-Biruni is the father of modern geography and historgraphy, he is considered as one of the greatest scholars ever, and even certain asteroids and certain regions on the moon are named after him. The term "Tajik" has for centuries been a synonym for the cultured and educated urban population of Central-Asia ... therefore, these scientists and scholars have to be shown in the picture as a symbol for the Tajik people. And since Rumi, Khwarizmi, ibn Sina, and Biruni are the most famous among the Tajik scholars of the past, their pictures are an absolute necessity. Tājik 10:49, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
End quote.
I agree that we need a modern figure, but I have doubts about the appropriateness of Massoud. Couldn't we find a better choice? -- Zlerman ( talk) 04:10, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You should bear in MIND that Afghanista houses by far the largest population of Tajiks in the World and to us Massoud is more important than any of the people mentioned. And this article of Tajiks is not about the Tajiks of Tajikistan ONLY it talks about the ethnic group tajik as a whole.
I had never before heard of Ghafurov or Ayni nor has any other Afghanistani Tajik or Irani Tajiks and Persians heard of them. Replacing Massoud with someone is a silly Idea —Preceding
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15:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, I hope you are doing well. I have reverted your latest edit in Tajiks. I do not think that your edit was wrong, but I think that it is too much and too specific for the intro. "Tajik" is just a name for a wide range of Persian-speakers in Afghanistan. The Persian-speakers of Herat, for example, are quite distinct from the Persian-speakers of Kabul, in dialect and culture. And the "Tajiks" of Afgahnistan in general are quite distinct from those in Central Asia.
All in one, all Persian-speakers are still closely related to each other in respect of language and/or history, or maybe even ancestors. As such, I think it's too much to say that "Tajiks are distinct from the Persian-speakers of Iran", because the Farsiwan, for example, who are one section of the "Tajik" population of Afghanistan, are totally identical to the "Persians" of Eastern Iran. They even speak exactly the same dialect as those in Nishapur and Tus.
Take care. Tājik ( talk) 17:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
The Twelve Imams had the modern images removed from the table by Wayiran... ironically, I actually think it's an improvement, because they all look the same. I wonder if there's different images we could use there. ناهد/(Nåhed) speak! 19:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
You currently appear to be engaged in an
edit war according to the reverts you have made on
Avicenna. Note that the
three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the
three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be
blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a
consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue
dispute resolution.
لenna
vecia
15:06, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Enzuru,
1) please be respectful in your comments.
2) I see that other people have been complaining about your recent edits and reverts. Maybe you are not vandalizing, but you have started removing any Iranian/Persian designation from articles which are clearly Iranian scholars like Nasiredin Tusi and Mulla Sadra. Maybe you think Persian or Iranian means citizen of the present country of Iran or related to the Twelever Shia? Then you need to read more reliable history books.
Some of these scientists are now being claimed by other groups for political reason and that is another reason which makes it significant to mention that they arised from the Irano-Islamic civilization. In the West, some sources claim all Muslims as Arabs, so it is important from an Encyclopedia's point of view to distinguish it. If all these issues were not present (but unfortunately they are), then I would have supported your edit. But usually a concensus is needed. BrokenMirror ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC).
One dubious edit isn't enough to justify a block on an IP, but I will keep an eye on them. If they begin vandalising again, reporting them to WP:AN might result in a faster response. Lankiveil ( speak to me) 23:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC).
Okeh I've put in for a Username Usurpation for User:Ogress. <3 the artist formerly known as Em0. the Ogress smash! 00:22, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
ZOMFG this is effing terrifying.
Nikolai Dzhumagaliev (Russian: Николай Джумагалиев, born 1952), a serial killer operating in 1980, known as "Metal Fang" (for his unusual false teeth made from white metal) in the Soviet Union republic of Kazakhstan.
A cannibal, he would often kill his women victims with an axe, carve the meat and serve it to his friends at dinners. He was eventually caught when friends whom he had invited to his house for "snacks" found a human head and intestines in his fridge. They immediately reported him to the authorities and Nikolai was arrested.
The total number of his victims is not known, although he was charged with a total of seven murders. Some sources put the total number of victims at 50 - 100. Found to be insane, he was sentenced to a psychiatric hospital in Tashkent, which he escaped from in 1989 while being transported to another facility. He was caught in 1991 in Fergana. Dzhumagaliev was released from a mental institution in Uzbekistan in January 1994. He is a free man, and is currently living with relatives in Eastern Europe.
Note the last sentence.
Also, that OR discussion is fabulous. the Ogress smash! 01:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Dear Enzuru, Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph says that "Ethnicity should generally not be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability." "Subject" in the quote means "Personality" and not the scientific or else contributions. As to "Confusion", please see this: Medieval Islamic Economic Thought, By Shaikh M. Ghazanfar, Published by Routledge, 2003, Page 5. which reads:
""Further, the chapters interchangeably use terms such as "Arab" scholars, "Arab-Islamic" Scholars, or simply "Islamic/Muslim" scholars. While in some sense the distictions may be appropirate, our reference throughout is to the Islamic (or Muslim) scholars, whether Arab, Iranian or Persian, who wrote their discourses in the early Islamic civilization.""
-- Raayen ( talk) 21:11, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
These two pages are about Persian personalities: Mahmoud Hessaby, Hossein Elahi Ghomshei. The ethnicity haven't been mentioned either. The above quote says: "Arab", "Arab-Islamic" and "Islamic/Muslim" have been used interchangeably, and not "Persian" and "Arab".-- Raayen ( talk) 21:33, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey, nice to meet you. In order for us to mention the ethnicity in the opening, we need a citation that it is often confused they are not Persian. But even then, I don't see anything that confusion makes it notable. For example of how we should do biography, please see
this. --
Enzuru
21:09, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
It is not vague at all. That is clearly being inferred. The book says:
but (inferred)
BTW, "confusion" is your word. I said "mistaken". Besides, look how this encyclopedic article [8] is written. Please look at this too: [9]. And the articles like Goethe and Shakespeare. -- Raayen ( talk) 21:56, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
Summing it all up. For you late to the party, I have been taking out ethnicity from many scholarly articles from the Muslim world. Why? Because Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph mentions that it should not be mentioned unless it makes the person notable. Not only do we mention it, we put things like Persian scholar in huge letters in the infobox, even though they are notable as philosophers are scientists, not as Persians. None of these individuals are notable for their ethnicity like Martin Luther King Jr. and would have been just as influential if they weren't their ethnicity. The main argument is that these people are often confused as other ethnic groups. So, I said if we can bring a source to prove this, we can consider it, but I am still not sure if it'd qualify for tge opening. I noted that most of the Featured Article Biography articles do not include ethnicity in the opening, hence we should follow both the MOS and the FA style. -- Enzuru 02:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
my two cents, The issue needs a discussion on all topics and we should not make such changes unless discussed. For example Isaac Newton and Carl Friedrich Gauss have their background. Newton wrote exclusively in Latin. So there is no reason to choose a small set of articles for this way of editing unless discussed for all such topics. Also this is the normal pattern in Encyclopedia Britannica for many of the authors. Also it does make a person notable in terms of showing which civilization and culture he came from, since majority of people not from those cultures do not know that information which within itself is notable. So notable here should follow patterns of other Encyclopedias. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 02:57, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Interestingly, Isaac Newton is a Featured Article. I will discuss it with someone from there why it has been mentioned in the opening. In the meantime, let's keep discussing. For the meantime, I believe the best thing we can do is take out the big bolded Persian from the infoboxes and leave it in the opening until we come to a further understanding. Does everyone agree with this? -- Enzuru 03:04, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks again. -- Nepaheshgar ( talk) 03:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Rumi's contributions are universal to the world, so why not deleting his ethnicity or nationatily too?! The essence of his poems are more important than their language. I think the above quote is enough to show that according to Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies)#Opening_paragraph, mentioning ethnicity/nationality is relevant for the "subject". However, here is another source: Lands of the Cross and Crescent, By Cyrus Herzl Gordon, page 132 : "Avicenna and other famous men of Iran, who wrote in Arabic, are often mistaken today for Arabs." But It seems we don't need any sources at all, because we clearly see the mistakes and pushings: You remember your discussions in Al-Khwarezmi article and you may see the recent edits [12]. Or look at this: tr:Birûni. These are wrong and prevalant presumptions or fabrications that should be cleared noticably which according to the Manual_of_Style_(biographies) the nationality/ethnicity can be there or is relevant. Newton is not alone, look also at Celine Dion and Joey Santiago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Raayen ( talk • contribs) 03:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
yes of course the userboxes should not mention ethnicity in the big header but that need a policy -- Bayrak ( talk) 04:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I generally concur that an individual's ethnicity need not be emphasised if it isn't of pressing relevance to the subject topic. What may be more useful is referring to the nation or dynasty which he/she lived under. In modern times, we'd say American or British for instance. Perhaps this could be applied broadly so scholars could be referred to as Mughal, Ottoman, Almohad, and so on. As opposed to their original ethnicity, which could of course be mentioned later. The only problem I see with this is that many scholars travelled all over the globe and lived in different places, and notions like registering 'primary citizenship' probably didn't exist for much of Muslim history. ITAQALLAH 13:48, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Should the template at Alhazen become the standard template for prominent influential scholars in Islam? This will fix one of the ethnic issues which three of us agreed is an issue, ie, a huge heading stating their ethnicity in the infobox, instead of just having a slight mention in the introduction. -- Enzuru 05:02, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
I thought you might appreciate my illustrated retelling of "Rostam & the Akun Div". [13] the Ogress smash! 07:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
Merboob, lol! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alirezaabbas ( talk • contribs) 22:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I got your message and I do appreciate the feed back. You are a good person to have a civilized discussion with. I was looking at some of your contributions and I find them very interesting in the spread of knowledge.. Yusayr ( talk) 01:05, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
LOL @ User:خنیاگر. Yes, that's his actual Wikipedia name. the Ogress smash! 03:31, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion/2008 November 29#Image:Jyllands-Posten-pg3-article-in-Sept-30-2005-edition-of-KulturWeekend-entitled-Muhammeds-ansigt.png- akhwandk ( talk) 13:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
Should we take him to the treatment center? I think so, provided disruption continues after the ultimatum. 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 23:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I want this elder's tattoos. [14] Ogress smash! 13:25, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed your comments in Sikh extremism. I really liked reading your level-headed response to all the drama on that page. I've started a section for cleaning up the article. I notice that there is POV from both sides and so I've gone ahead and cleaned up a little bit of it. We don't need turning into a propaganda platform for either side. I would appreciate it if you could contribute! -- vi5in [talk] 22:27, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, thanks for your comments and help, Im an inexperienced, and struggling editor most of the time. I have a substantial collection of material on Isma'ilism, and in particular the Nizari.
I since I moved all the material regarding the previous Agha Khans to pages specifically dedicated to each, so that the page retained a section that devoted to the current Imam; however I am having some difficulty deciding where we should place him, as originally when I first started editing all of the history section was largely devoted to just the the Aga Khans, since then I have added numerous parts to the "History" section, and added a section "philosophy" that deals with beliefs, and I have also added a section "community". I would appreciate your input; and overall impression of what you believe the page Nizari page needs. ( Water Stirs ( talk) 02:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC))
I've now posted the Bayrak case at the ANI because he continued the Sayyid issue at the Khomeini article despite being warned otherwise. Please feel free to add your opinion of the disruption and possible measures to take at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Disruption from User:Bayrak along ethnic lines. Thank you. 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 21:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
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I agree with the need to mark historical figures properly. However, that editor has been just changing things to "Tajik", "Afghani" etc. without paying attention, thus breaking all the links and formatting. the Ogress smash! 00:53, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree with above, Lashkar-e-Janghvir are responsible for much of the terrorist rhetoric. It's ironic that In Saddam's Iraq, Shia and Sunni intermarried, you can work out the rest ! Satanoid ( talk) 14:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi Enzuru, your correct in identifying the lack of understanding displayed by the Sikh fundamentalsts. I do think some degree of prosetylization is at play here, plus without the correct comparisons being made. The various confusions by fundamentalists is the inability to differentiate Sikhism with Sufism with Sunni Islam or Shia Islam Satanoid ( talk) 11:51, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
I totally agree with you, Nanak was a pacifist, but so was Mahatma Gandhi or the Sufi Saint Shirdi Sai Baba whereas Gobind was pretty much the antithesis. Nanak the pacifist and Gobind the activist had more in common with Jat King Prithvi Raj Chauhan, its not possible that all the Gurus were divine incarnations of each other considering the latter eight kept it in the family. Thats my criticism of Sikhism. Satanoid ( talk) 12:33, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Well I have tried, but they refuse to accept he was assassinated. See here http://www.answers.com/topic/aurangzeb. The Mughals faced down the Persians, The Marathas and The Sikhs Satanoid ( talk) 14:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
But the issue here is that your all your Guru(s) faced defeat in the face of the Mughals. The Mughal Emperor annihilated the Sikh dysnatic tradition to a book Satanoid ( talk) 14:16, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't bow out friend. Yourinput is invaluable, and I think if we can get the initial definition correct the rest of the article will flow. Sikh Extremism is indeeed and very complex issue and the "Sikh Terrorism" article seems to simplify it. The only reason I know so much is that I have followed it in the media since the 1980's, where the media (especially) BBC seemed to treat Bhindranwala, not as a terrorist, but almost as some sort of Robin Hood. If you analyse the beginings of the entire problem you will find the answer lies purely in politics. If it was purely religious, so many Hindu families would not have the custom (in Punjab), of having at least one member of the family baptised as a Sikh.-- Sikh-history ( talk) 11:03, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey Enzuru,
I know what you mean. It's intensely frustrating. The problem is that none of them want the article to exist in the first place. I couldn't even get a personal definition of "Sikh Extremism" from Roadahead. He continually links to his overly pedantic critique as if that's an answer to everything. Frankly, he overanalyzes everything on purpose simply to try and invalidate every single source. I agree, their watching of your userpage is pretty creepy. I'll try and request mediation in the matter; I'm not sure if I will have enough time to do anything more - pre-holiday crunchtime is going on at work. Good luck, and hopefully we can collaborate on other articles in the future. -- vi5in [talk] 15:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Thats why they want it deleted.
1. Roadahead is deleteing the references I make on his vandalism on the discussion page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Talk%3ASikh_extremism&diff=256501557&oldid=256255980
2. Initially they conspired with each other to get it deleted - THEY FAILED
3. They refer to major news websites as POV
4. The section on Sikh pro-terrorist websites has been deleted
5. The Islam and Sikhism article puts down Islam and is Proselytism Satanoid ( talk) 06:20, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Bro, I think these martyrs should get a place on the Twelvers Template. My reasons are:
NEDian ( talk) 18:17, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
I see no consensus on talk page to change Persian to Persian heritage or Persia to Abbasid...the only consensus I see, is in the archives and corresponds to the current version. I am however discussing the matters on talk now. -- Sina111 ( talk) 06:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
l am sorry for the misunderstanding from the begining..and I hope you forget it
regards -- Bayrak ( talk) 17:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
A troll imitated me as User:Ogresss and even made his pages redirect to mine so I got reported for vandalism on articles I normally protect.
Luckily an Admin recognised me and was like, "Whaaat? She's not a vandal" and contacted me and I figured it out right away. Then they instabanned the jerk for malicious impersonation.
What a jerk eh.
Yeah, I'm totally anal about Shia Islam - it's actually in that exact form, not just "Shia" - and then I add the form with the macrons and stuff.
One thing that's becoming problematic is that people are making the macron-using versions of a WHOLE LOT of articles the official ones. Does no-one know that we aren't supposed to use any extended character sets in the official titles? They're not typable! Ogress smash! 22:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Your a great editor, I could learn a few things from you. Thanks for your input. Satanoid ( talk) 10:41, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
At user talk:sinneed: "If you can acknowledge in fairness what I and Enzuru and Vivin have said I think we can comply with your demands ?" I am concerned this editor may be using your name in this without permission. sinneed ( talk) 21:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
I'd double check user:sineed as a sockpuppet of another user too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Satanoid ( talk • contribs) 14:05, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
hi again...now i am satisfied on the article and that is all what i want to mention from the begaining that he was (according some sources)from persian stock you can see this link (18 novembre) -- Bayrak ( talk) 01:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately I don't think I'm allowed to use my IP as the name of the account. I'm thinking of getting an account because I'll go on break soon and will not have the same IP address. Do you have any other name suggestions? 67.194.202.113 ( talk) 05:07, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes I've been real for a while now. Hope to stay that way for a bit longer. Thanks for the chuckle. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 07:33, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
you keep inviting certain people with the same idea as yourself (based on my impression) to participate on this issue. i don't appreciate this way of performing a jadal. should i invite iranians?-- Xashaiar ( talk) 21:42, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
I included the numbering because it is mentioned in Info-boxes, and when we mention Ismaili numbering in general it does not represent boyh Mutasali & Nizari numbring as they differ right after Hazrat Ali a.s. Actually I think specifying the numbering clears that there are two numbering schemes in Ismaili's even for initial Imams after Hazrat Ali a.s. If we agree to remove Nizari numbering then it is better not to specify any sect i.e. twelver, zaidiya, ismaili, etc for common Imams and just mention xth Imam of Shias.
By the way I myself belong to Twelvers.
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This is off-topic, but I noticed that you mentioned that you used FreeBSD. That's awesome! I had no idea that you were a daemonette. I prefer FreeBSD over Linux as well, although my current development machine runs Ubuntu Linux (which I think, holds its own remarkably well and has made Linux very user-friendly), because of a lack of drivers for FreeBSD. I've run Plan9 on qemu, but I haven't worked on it extensively. For graphical distros of FreeBSD, have you checked out PC-BSD? Very stable and friendly. If it wasn't for a lack of drivers on my XPS 1530, I'd be running that, and not Ubuntu. -- vi5in [talk] 17:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
Very good idea. Though I am quite busy in the coming few days. Do you want go ahead and give it a shot? I'll join later. Just tell me what sources you need for it. Tājik ( talk) 01:19, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
In that time most of them speak Arabic as mother tongue Despite of their different origins -- Bayrak ( talk) 17:01, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
about What exactly..?? I know that Arabs Captured Kabul in 651 and people of Balkh were Surrendered On the condition to pay 400,000 Dirham in the same year -- Bayrak ( talk) 15:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi - a stub template or category which you created has been nominated for deletion or renaming at Wikipedia:Stub types for deletion. The stub type, which was not proposed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals, does not meet the standard requirements for a stub type, either through being incorrectly named, ambiguously scoped, or through failure to meet standards relating to the current stub hierarchy or likely size, as explained at Wikipedia:Stub. Please feel free to make any comments at WP:SFD regarding this stub type, and in future, please consider proposing new stub types first! Grutness... wha? 23:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I do not know much, In fact I still do not know the specific question ,They were not Kuwaitis :) -- Bayrak ( talk) 00:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I regret that I made that off-topic remark in response to your off-topic posting. I keep a very very very firm line between the world out here and the world inside the discussion areas where I speak through "Sinneed". I know of no way to maintain the privacy of friends and coworkers if I discuss them and their beliefs here, and (by firm personal rule, broken in the past only to cause sorrow) will not try. My apologies for mentioning them, as I know that is frustrating. I erred. sinneed ( talk) 05:31, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
i saw on talk one of the reasons this account was blocked was cause someone did bad thing. this is a computer lab computer at my elementary class in Centennial, Colorado. how did person do bad edits with many computers? my teacher told me that this computer was blocked from here before last week or stuff. does you know what happen? thank you! (signing for them so this gets archived) -- Enzuru 01:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
Hi, I was wandering if you could complete the initial article of our discussion where the Durranis defeated the gheens ! (signing for them so this gets archived) -- Enzuru 01:08, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I've full-protected this article for three days to give you guys time to discuss this on the talk page. Blueboy 96 01:25, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm a sockpuppet of myself? Kjgugh ( talk) 02:55, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, so I actually found a Pakhtuni thing that needs attention. I am working on a disambig page, Uways - there's a mutliply-referenced Pakhtuni ruler of Swat with that name. Check it out eh! Write it up eh! Ogress smash! 23:40, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This is Malik al Assad. About ibn Saba', what wrong with my edition ? It is better looking no ? Sorry I am new to wikipedia. Regarding Shi'i origin, I did not state opinion as fact if that was what you were thinking and I didn't do it in any bias, I only quoted sources for it. And by the way, I am pretty sure some artciles are allowed to quote Sunni or Shia sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:16, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
There's two parts I don't udnerstand. The first is ibn Saba' part. Why did you change from the blockquote style to the non blockquote style? It's like, only a style change, nothing of the actual substance is changed. Plus, doesn't the blockquote part look better ? The second is the Shia origin part. I quote Professor Heinrich Graetz, who is secular, why did you change it ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
XD. I am sorry for the misunderstanding there. As for Shia origin, I think you missed it, but I repeat, I quoted Heinrich Graetz, separate from jewishenyclopedia, and is secular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Hey, sorry for not replying yesterday. Anyway, before you delete the updated section of the origin of Shia, let's talk first. All those that I quoted are secular. Do you have a problem with that ? Also when Professor Heinrich Graetz says "jewish perspective" he mean the race, not religion. Can we talk about this on the Shi'a Islam page ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Malik Al Assad ( talk • contribs) 06:55, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
It's the arrival of Muharram that makes the e-mujahiddeen fly their kamikaze IP addys into Muslim pages on Wikipedia. (Wow, say that one three times fast...) Vulpem pilum mutat, non mores. A fox may change its fur, but not its ways. Ogress smash! 00:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
I'm not the one who wrote about that article about Islam (I think) since this is a shared IP, but anyway after looking at the changelog seems to me that the one who modified it made a mistake, not vandalism as you assumed. Keep in mind that sometimes ppl makes mistakes and you should not always take it as evil since is not always like that.
Regards Waldo —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waldoalvarez00 ( talk • contribs) 12:21, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Mind explaining exactly why Orientalism is not avlid for Islamic Scholarship ? secondly, Muir is considered probably the most valid source on Islamic Scholarship by non Muslim wikipedians. There are so many Islam related article which still use him as a valid source. thirdly, you detailed Muir's belief, which is ad hominem (logical fallacy). If we take Muir's belief's as a variable to determine whether he should be cited as reliable, then we might as well reject non Muslim scholars because they never had formal Islamic education under certified scholars. I do not disagree with you that he is unreliable, but so is non Muslim scholars who never had formal Islamic education, therefore, by your logic we should only use source's which have an Islamic degree in Islamic history and an ijazat for his authority on relating it. Malik Al Assad ( talk) 10:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I think it is wrong for you to display pictures of ahle bait. As far as the Fatima article is concerned i think it should be written in such a way that both sunnis and shias can accpet it. whats written there at the moment is unncessary.
ps: what gives you the right to tamper with the deobandi section??? i am deobandi and know more about them! so stop tampering with that page please and ill stop tampering with yours. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
I suspect that it, like so much else, was lost in the edit wars. I chewed through the edit history trying to spot the "good stuff" that was killed in the crossfire. The article was littered with broken bits of work... I restored the pieces I spotted that I could understand. :) Hopefully, things will be better now. Thank you for restoring that bit. Cheers! sinneed ( talk) 16:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
Didn't you know that most of the 313 are like that? Little did they know Khomeini's reasoning for his fatwa... taqiyyah, taqiyyah! LOL Ogress smash! 02:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi,
I noticed you voted oppose in the flag revs straw pole and would like to ask if you would mind adding User:Promethean/No to your user or talk page to make your position clear to people who visit your page :) - Thanks to Neurolysis for the template «l| Ψrometheăn ™|l» (talk) 07:02, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
I'll like to help wherever I can, but I can't understand why some people would want to basically lie about things, like they have no shame, anyway, the stuff on forced conversions is crap, I've seen first hand sikh ladies like Kiranjit Ahluwalia break free from the shackles of some Sikh men. Khalsaburg ( talk) 23:07, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi Dear
There I am sorry but i am not so good in Wikipedia, and therefore i don't know how to join, or do things that you guys can, however i tried and thanks for the invitation.
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Can you help with Abdullah Ibn Saba? The page is... well, let's just say it's a horror. If you could lend a keyboard, I'm sure Wikipedia would be most appreciative. Ogress smash! 03:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
In addition to the above comment about ibn Saba', I add in "the best edit evar": [15]. (I assume you know who Melek Taus is, but if not, read the page quickly.) Ogress smash! 10:10, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I have been trying to work with the rc (unreliable source?) tag in the sandbox, and it always seems to force its own little line break on me. I don't want to junk out a Wikipedia article just because I think that some of the references are trash.
Another Q: If a 12er Shia scholar has reached the upper ranks of scholarship, like becoming an Ayatullah (though not necessarily marj`a), is it possible that he could sitll be considered a secular source? I am wondering about Ayatullh Shahid Sadr with his text on Economics, Ayatullah Tabataba'i and his work on `aqidah, etc. Also, if the most recent edition of Britannica (paper & ink) that one can access is 1998, is it too ancient to use as a reference for Wikipedia?
Thank you much. I am at my wit's end on on some of these questions. Look at me not signing again for the gazillionth time. Oyy. But I remembered another Q: there was talk a while back on the Shia page about making it look more like an encyclopedia article and basing it on the same style as the article on Ismailism. Has that much already been done? What is left to do? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
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:::Progress of article: I do not feel that I know very much about the similarities among the various sects of Shia Islam. What sections are left on the Shia Islam areticle that are specific to one sect or another?
un-indent: Sounds good. Not sure how much longer I will last tonight, but am already looking at Islam article. From what you have mentioned, reducing some sections might be necessary? If so, it might be necessary to ascertain that information from those sections is already in some other article or is completely necessary. See, my brain is already shutting down - redudancy is setting in. When I do have to call it a night, I will try to give you a head's up. PinkWorld ( talk) 07:27, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
To revert, does one click "undo" from the history section? PinkWorld ( talk) 05:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Omigoodness I did it, wow. :) I think that Hertz beat me to another one, though. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:45, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
The "Branches" section does indeed seem too expansive. I would be more inclined to have only an introductary summary of each branch. I can already see from cross-referencing some of the subsections of the Twelver section with other articles that "Shia Islam" has more information in some of these sections than is in those other linked articles. Some transfers might be in order. How does the Ismaili section match up with its linked articles? —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 07:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC) :p @ sinebot hmf PinkWorld ( talk) 08:02, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
In addition to loss of information and necessity of transferring information to external articles would be the treatment of beliefs and practises in the article once those lists of beliefs and practises are deleted or shortened in the "Branches" section. Should a discussion of beliefs and practises precede a discussion of branches?
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At this point, I have to follow your lead and let me know what I might be able to do. I can tell you that I have access to next to no resources, being in a small town in the US with a small-town library. The one time that I donated a Qur'an to our library, it "disappeared" within a year or two, so there are currently no decent books on Islam there. We have the 1998 Encyclopædia Britannica and another reference book dealing with religions (Oxford or something reliable like that). There are some Tabataba'i academic-type texts online, though the page numbers are not necessarily marked. Beyond that, I would have to rely on Google Books for references. I am something of a grammar geek, though, and usually able to spot a typo or spelling mistake. My Wiki-code is still very, very shaky. I am getting better at it, though. Let me know what the next move is.
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What to do first: compose new section(s) on beliefs & practises, or send pieces of information to other articles, or some other thing that I have missed? It looks as if the section "Concept of Imamah" will end up *inside* a section on beliefs? Me so clueless! PS I did not know that LA had so many Iranians! But I have heard that there are not many practising Shia Muslims throughout California and that there is something of a lack of decent resident `alims. It is only word of mouth, though, so I have no idea what the real deal is. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:00, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Sounds good. I have had my night and should retire for the night. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:22, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
m`a salama and fi aman Allah from the white chick PinkWorld ( talk) 09:33, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Egads! I'm ok with dropping in at Shiachat to ask a question, answer someone else's question, or test myself by challenging someone else; but even when I used to clickity clack away all day at that site some years ago, I felt as if I were surrounded by teenagers. There's nothing wrong with teenagers, mind you, but trying to understand text lingo and having to wade through nonsense one-liners to get at a real dialogue was frustrating. I migrated to RevertMuslimsAssociation. It is insanely late. Why have I not gone to sleep yet?? :s PinkWorld ( talk) 09:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Primary Sources: Forty Ahadith by Iamm Khumayni? Tafsir al Mizan by `Allamah Tabataba'i? *not sure* PinkWorld ( talk) 09:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I don't have too much trouble with men of any type, actually. I mention my age and weight, and they drop off like dead flies. I've been to AIM and like what I can get from it. These days, though, the Gaza situation east up a lot of my time, so I only go to one or two places before I jump right back into newsy sites. If I don't call it a night, my body will force me to. See you tomorrow; khuda hafiz. PinkWorld ( talk) 10:21, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Any progress in terms of organising the Shia article? I feel stuck because I am so unfamiliar with the beliefs and practises of Shia sects other than the Ithna Ashari. This means that I owuld have no idea how to generalise the beliefs and practises of Shia Islam in terms of what is common to us all. Also, will the layout of the Shia Islam article need to be changed? PinkWorld ( talk) 07:11, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
You mean that you plan to make an archive of the article, right? I am transferring material from the twelver section to various other twelver-related articles so that it will not be lost. I know that the article Twelver (and other Shia/Twelver articles) are a complete mess and hope to get stuff done on them, as well. By the time that I get done with some of these things, the material that I transferred might evaporate. But I am a methodological purist and just want to get the stuff over there before I work on it. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:15, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
taqlidi ≠ usuli? PinkWorld ( talk) 08:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I have copied everything that I want to from the Twelver section to other articles. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:59, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I almost wonder if one could swipe the history from Ismailism through section 2.1 and past it into the Twelver article. By sheer coincidence, my brain has just shut down. I need to hit the sack. Naturally, just when I wanted to move from tagging stuff to fleshing out articles. *sigh* PinkWorld ( talk) 09:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I finally found something that I have been looking for. I fact, I think that I had been searching for it for years. Momen's book has a listing and description of the usual ad-din and furu ad-din, all within a few pages. I scratched a mangled reference onto the Twelver article and plan to retire very, very soon to bed. Tomorrow, I want to make all effort in spite of our nasty midwestern freeze o get to the library where I have modern amenities such as javascript, Adobe Acrobat, flash, shockwave, etc. so that I can read the Google book for myself instead of just googling phrases from the book and piecing them together. How much material might be left on the Shia Islam article when you have finished re-organising it? Will it be worth the time to try to find references for various assertions made there? PinkWorld ( talk) 08:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I saw places where I Wanted to drop a tag. I shal sleep on it, inshallah, and see how I feel about it tomorrow. Inshallah I Can make it to the library. PinkWorld ( talk) 09:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Egads, I know! This salafist nonsense has really torn the Sunni Muslim world apart. I is really sad to see them fall away from traditional scholarship just because these new Qur'an thumpers are so charismatic. Charismatic? Or perhaps just well-funded enough to drown out the voices of traditional Sunni Islamic scholarship. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
The Athari thing was new on me. I wonder if it has nto become popular within the past five years? That is how long I was out of hte loop. It wasn't until just a few months ago that I realised that Athari is just a fancy way of saying Salafist. Btw, what has been your biggest complaint wth Ghazzali? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
sillyQ: I saw some people in Texas who wore uniformly variant headscarves - they were all the same, but definitely distinctive from most twelver headscarf styles. Is that particular to Ismailis in general, or to a particuar subset? PinkWorld ( talk) 09:27, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I met some brothers from among them, then, when I did the college thing several years ago. They are very cool folk. I wish that there were some way of strengthening fraternal bonds between them and the Ithna Ashari. Th fraternal vibes that I got off them were very heartwarming. You are very likely the first Nizari Ismaili towards whome I have felt sisterly, mashallah - though that could simply be lack of previous significant exposure. Must sleep. Take care; khuda hafiz (nothing wrong with m`a salama, no?) PinkWorld ( talk) 09:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Ya Allah, I miss my books!! :`( Nothing that I want has been scanned online! PinkWorld ( talk) 05:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Actually, I have been googling the heck out of books and authors that I have been seeing in the references section of the Shia Islam article. I think that I have found a hit. My computer is a dinosaur, but I can use the sesrch function on Google Books to ontain text that I want to a certain extent. I am in "An Introduction to Islam..." by Mojan Momen right now. Trying to get access to `Allamah Tababai's Overview of Shia Islam (or similar) has been hell. I actually own that book, but it is in another state hundreds or thousands of miles from me. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:44, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Haan, ji, I have it (ye mera pas?) saved to my computer. It is a very fine text alhamdulillah that perhaps I can use after I fill out these lists of usul ad-din and furu ad-din inshallah. PinkWorld ( talk) 06:56, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Oops, my bad. I forgot that jaan is both Farsi and Urdu. PinkWorld ( talk) 08:34, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I wondered about Ahmadinejad: why can't he wear respectable Iranian clothing? I'm not sure if he is properly Hawzified to wear robes and stuff, but he could at least don the traditional shirt & pants. I miss President Khatami in a big phat way, can you tell. I have indeed seen some people swing radically Desi after converting. However, I did attend a mosque where I saw a lot of mixing (including of American and even Asian culture), and another where even converts to Shia Islam jumped into Arabic culture and looked down on converts who did not as if we were somehow not Muslim enough. I was surprised to get that kind of attitude from Shia Muslims. You are totally right about the salafists. Ugh. But what about Afghanis? Don't they do a decent job of preserving their culture? Does it help not to have us converts diving all up into it like the latest fad?
Must Sleep. Khuda hafiz, see you tomorrow inshallah.
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Have you done work on the Wiki article for Afghanistan? Your post on my Talk page was a very interesting read. Is Afghanistan covered in *any* news source such that one could keep abreast of Western crimes against humanity there? Wires? Local media sources online in English? Something? When Palestine falls off the mainstream media radar, I use an indy media source and a news outlet based on Gaza that has a decent English service. Btw, I finally got to see the pic that you have on your front page, and I like. Any background to it? PinkWorld ( talk) 21:04, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Allahumma Salli `ala Muhammad wa Aale Muhammad! I have got such texts! I did some Google Booking and copy-pasting, so I have a bunch of stuff alhamdulillah; and now I am writing my hand off copying whatever little tiny bit our backwoods library has (and has not been tossed in the trash by extremists who "borrowed" certain books). I really should go now and get back to work. PinkWorld ( talk) 17:49, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Holy Cats you did a bunch! I need some help. Can you explain/summarise for me which beliefs are held in common among all Shia Muslims? I don't need anything long (yet), just a mention of the names/titles/IDs of the doctrines that we all hold in common. Imamate comes to mind, and not much after that. I feel helpless not knowing this bit of information. Thank you for all of your hard work. PinkWorld ( talk) 17:56, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
I have copy-pasted/typed in everything that I was able to get from the web and out bitty library. How might I share that file with others who are interested? Also, do you mean that tawhid, `adl, nubuwwah, imamah, and qiyyamah are all common to the various sects of Shi`ah Islam? PinkWorld ( talk) 22:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
Perhaps those beliefs (and, in time, practises) that are in common with Sunni Islam could be mentioned in passing as a lead to the beliefs section? I cannot stay to do anything significant - I have to get offline to free up the phone. Be back later, inshallah. PinkWorld ( talk)Pink —Preceding undated comment was added at 22:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC).
txt file @ http://www.geocities.com/pinkownworld/TemporaryArchives/WikiShiaIslamSrcTxt.txt couldn't figure out other site with dino computer; khuda hafiz jaanu —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkWorld ( talk • contribs) 22:42, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Why'd you remove the comments on that talk page? Ogress smash! 02:05, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey sister! (ey håkhar, rite? In Dari, I mean. What is it in Pashto?) Guess who started the mass revamp of the Qarmatian article? ME! Woot for new sources (which I haven't finished sourcing yet). Ogress smash! 02:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Do you mind re-writing the article yourself? I can't write it any other way. Dhrh ( talk) 14:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello I have up-dated, an article Nainawaz Request to Afghan members please keep an eye and also see if you guys can expand this article.
Thanks.
Bye.
Alishah85 ( talk) 07:48, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
The source provided in article Sarban singer is fully made up and it does not exists. There is no such book written by Professor Enayatullah Shahrani (Dean of the Fine Arts Faculty of Kabul University) (1999). Bazmeh Ghazal, that mentions Sarban. Its all lies. My source is not youtube but rather RTA National television of Afghanistan which is famous and it was this same TV which made him famous, and he also sings in both Pashtu and Dari. He is Afgan. Alishah85 ( talk) 09:31, 20 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alishah85 ( talk • contribs) 09:29, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, I'm just passing by. I won't be able to monitor or edit much. However, I hope you can check this out. There must be something I'm missing because it's getting absurd. Dhrh ( talk) 14:39, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
Anas ibn Malik died when Abu Hanifa was 10 years old. How is he supposed to have transmitted hadith from him? Dhrh ( talk) 16:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Hey Pashtun Ismailiyya well yes I am, and sure anytime. t.c « Hiram111Δ TalK Δ 19:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Teleportation in Islam. End of comment. *googly eyes* Ogress smash! 04:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
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Dear All, it was agreed upon by the authors of the article List of Marjas:
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25 January 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:49, 26 January 2009 (UTC) Salamz. weve contacted eachother before as you may remember. i was woundering if you could do me a favour and block this user:
Ar-Rumi Al-Baghdadi
he keeps editing the deobandi page and putting up a lot of nonsense up. id be grateful if you could help me with this. please do reply back thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
25 January 2009 Salamz. weve contacted eachother before as you may remember. i was woundering if you could do me a favour and block this user:
Ar-Rumi Al-Baghdadi
he keeps editing the deobandi page and putting up a lot of nonsense up. id be grateful if you could help me with this. please do reply back thanx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 (talk • contribs) 19:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs)
assalamu `alaykum I keep forgetting to go to the library so that I can GoogleBook more sources for the section on Occultation. I will make it there, honest. PinkWorld ( talk) 01:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Pink
walaikum asalam. sorry it was the ashraf ali thanvi page he keeps editing and putting up a load of nonsense. he told him many times but he just doesnt listen. BLOCK HIM! lol thanks!
where u from by the way? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Asadakhtar26 ( talk • contribs) 21:33, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
Cool . how do you do that? excuse my ignorance! —Preceding
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Hey, thanks for adding the references to the talk page at Talk:Discrimination against atheists. I'm a little curious how you responded so quickly. Have you been observing the dispute? AzureFury ( talk | contribs) 01:58, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Bism.gif, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. JaGa talk 19:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Pashtun Ismailiyya,
I do not trust checkuser and I am sure that Alishah was not Beh-nam. But he was certainly a sockpuppet (as one can tell from his edits, writing style, etc), and telling from what he had posted on certain talk pages, he was not a big support for the project. He propagated racist and pseudo-scientific theories without giving any reliable sources. He even pushed ofr the Joshua Project. Tājik ( talk) 15:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
I don't know, but there have been so many of them recently. Srsly. Happy Jum3ah. Ogress smash! 21:26, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi Pashtun Ismailiyya. I was wondering if you had any time to spice up Template:Sunni Islam in the same way you did with Template:Islam and others because that one in particular is looking a bit run down. I was also wondering whether it's a good idea to have the basmala on templates as with Template:Shia Islam, as it's not something that has been applied consistently and I'm not sure as to the need for it anyway. Regards, ITAQALLAH 18:41, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
assalamu `alaykum, sister Long time no login :s but I finally have been able to get some more copy-pastes from Google books. When I get home, I will try to get them to you. PinkWorld ( talk) 19:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)Pink
salam I am now encountering many things in which I disagree with the author. Right now, though, I am exhausted and care more about getting everyting online and over to you. http://www.geocities.com/pinkownworld/TemporaryArchives/IntroShiiIslamMomen.txt PinkWorld ( talk) 05:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Pink
assalamu `alaykum
Are you ok? If so, then mabruk! :) I have been wondering if the article should cover beliefs not so much in an exclusionary fashion but in an inclusive fashion - but only for core beliefs, not the tangentals or incidentals that belong in spin-off articles. Thoughts?
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assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
Just curious - how does an Afghani wedding differ from Iranian, Pakistani, etc. weddings?
Why tragedy? I have heard less than rave reviews from people who did a Pakistani-style wedding, but after some counselling, they recovered ;)
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assalamu `alaykum wa rahmatullah
Sister, there is some guy who thinks that he is going to restruture the Shia Islam article. Can you have a look, please?
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Hello PI-yya, can you keep an eye on Ruhollah Khomeini please? Some IP keeps removing stuff he doesn't like, including the idea that Khomeini learned mathematics when he was young, which is directly sourced from Moin, or that Khomeini was really popular. It is silly, but alas, until he tires of it or gets blocked the information might get removed again. I do hope you can help, thank you. A baby turkey citation needed 01:46, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
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Signing so this gets archived. -- ♥ pashtun ismailiyya 23:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
Hi, we're starting the discussion on A-Class here today, thanks for signing up! I hope you can present your views. Thanks, Walkerma ( talk) 07:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the assist in re: Wikipedia:MOSISLAM issh on Sistani. Now for the hard part: getting it moved to "Ali Sistani" instead of "Grand Ayatollah...", which is warranted as well. Some of them have been moved by others, some by me, but Sistani is going to be a pain. Ogress smash! 04:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
... to Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani. *sigh* Ogress smash! 09:55, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Hey, I removed that bit about the Occultation because no living Ismaili group believes it. The Qarmatians did, true. In light of your point, is there a way to restructure the sentence to make it clear it is an archaic belief? The sentence reads as if "Ismailis" believe it, but the link is to an article that starts by saying that Ismailis and Zaydis don't believe in Occultation! I ran into the sentence and it was like a brick wall, I was like, "Whaaat? That's totally wrong!" Opinions? Ogress smash! 13:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
User:Pashtun lsmaiIiyya. I've reported and stuff, but you should keep tabs. Ogress smash! 01:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
Why are you removing the pic of a Pashtun man from the article? You have doubts about him being Pashtun? Well, the article is about people and not about history,,,, to be having only historical pics. We need some "good quaity" pics there. I am a photographer and I'm not in love with people in pics but the quality of the pic or shots. Please control yourself this is just article building. Everything that people want to know is available online so POVs are just waste of time. As a Pashtun myself, I'm not here to make my people better than others. It's not like Wikipedia is the only place to get info.-- Omidirani ( talk) 07:27, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
...for noticing me. I've seen some of your work, as we have edited several of the same articles, and I'm very flattered that you took the time to leave me a message. In fact, I do already have an account and username (with over 5,000 edits) but I haven't logged in for several months and am embarrassed by my absence, so now I'm hiding behind an IP. I will make a point of logging in soon, and when I do I will introduce myself properly. Until then, please keep up your most excellent efforts on behalf of the encyclopedia! 67.173.185.224 ( talk) 15:40, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
That didn't take long. Several pages I'm interested in are locked against IP edits, and your invitation was enough to push me into logging in. First, it's a pleasure to "meet" you. Second, please don't let my username mislead you, I don't actually have a doctorate in any subject, "Doc" is just a nickname I've had for decades. I noticed the RfC at Iran, regarding the Middle Ages section, and I'm in the process of reviewing all the material before making comment. It seems you are on the right path regarding some sort of balance between the two sides, and I look forward to more in-depth discussion with you on the talkpage. Doc Tropics 17:48, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you for taking note of me (and for stepping up to my defence at, that!) and my edits. I'm glad to help out Wikipedia insofar as I am able.
I actually know very little about Islam, as it were, and primarily came across those pages in my attempt to learn more; after all, how can an educated man—as I like to consider myself—not be at least somewhat informed on a religion which has so many followers worldwide and which is at the centre of so much of today's news? That is how I came to make my edits: I've noticed so much vandalism on this site that, my general hatred of POV down-throat-forcing notwithstanding, it's become nearly impossible for the uninformed (like me) to make heads or tails of the whole thing. How are we, for example, to be able to distinguish genuine Shia doctrine from propaganda planted in an article by overzealous Shia Muslims... or from Sunni propaganda, for that matter?
Would that we who are parched for knowledge would be able to quench our thirst from an unpolluted stream! Am I too naïve for thinking that that may someday be possible?
On second thought: don't answer that. RavShimon ( talk) 00:17, 9 March 2009 (UTC)