Before posting here, please make sure someone has not already brought up the same issue you have. I frequently blank this page, so please also check the edit history. Thank you. 3nk1namshub ( talk) 07:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I am deeply sorry for the way you've been treated for the past few hours. There is no excusing it. The only solace that I can give is that editing on Wikipedia is not generally like this. You used a noticeboard to start a discussion that belonged elsewhere, and a bunch of editors callously tried to bounce you out (the usual process for misfiled discussions) instead of explaining where to voice your concerns. Wikipedia is a mixed bag. On the one hand you have what you saw today. On the other hand, it is miles better on pronouns than most places that aren't explicitly queer. I can explain more, and about the transphobic "humor" piece and the row over redacting it as well, but I don't want to overwhelm you with a wall of text that you didn't ask for. signed, Rosguill talk 07:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Rosguill: @ Jasper Deng: I appreciate you both talking to me. I think I'm just gonna ask for an indefinite block or something. Regardless of their intention, Jonesey showed me how neurotypicals see me, and how they always will see me, and it's not good. Knowing how people see me, I'd rather just... not...
I made a positive change to Rebecca Heineman, I feel okay leaving knowing I actually did something good in the world. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 08:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
.
Guy (
help!)
08:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)You had me with this edit sumnmary: [1]. Everything since points to you being constitutionally unsuited to Wikipedia. I have posted this for review at WP:AN. Guy ( help!) 08:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@ JzG: There was an edit conflict. Sorry if I screw something up.
3nk1namshub ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I'll be honest, I don't remember even typing that. I'll admit, back when that was happening, I was absolutely unsuited to Wikipedia. I've got some problems (as if that weren't incredibly apparent by now), especially with socializing and communicating with people. I was given a 24 hour block for it to cool down, and I did. I apologized for my actions, and if I had remembered that summary, I would've brought that up as well. I don't know how blocks work here, if someone can be blocked for something twice or not. In the time since that original block, and in the past few hours here, I think I've begun to learn how Wikipedia works. The culture here is very different from the cultures I'm normally a part of, and it's of course on me to deal with that and not bother anyone. It's clear I've done a bad job with that. However, I've had a few other admins here vouch for me, and I think, after a week, maybe a month away, I could be useful here. I came in here and didn't read the rules. People pointed out WP:SPA and WP:RGW to me; while I disagree with them from a societal standpoint, I see that Wikipedia doesn't and shouldn't work like an IRL society does. I read your post on ANI, and I agree. I don't think now is a good time for me to be here. I've got a lot of issues IRL and I think it's pretty clear that they're coming out here. I know I probably don't deserve it, but I'd like to ask for one final chance. Please, give me a block for a week, a month, even a year; give me a chance to try and work on myself so I might be able to be useful here. If you're unwilling to do that, I understand. I've fucked up more than a little bit here. I've fucked up more than a lot here, really. I dunno. I'm sorry, I'm rambling, I haven't slept in a while, and I've had a rough night outside Wikipedia. Whatever your decision, I accept it, and I hope I will be able to learn from it. I know it's a bit late for apologies, but I'm sorry. I hope I at least made sense. Thank you all for everything. My experience here hasn't been great and that's completely my fault, but It's been important for me, I think. I've been living in a bit of a bubble for a while and this has helped pop it. I'm still rambling, sorry. I don't really know how to end this without repeating myself. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 09:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC) I want to edit something. I said "I don't know how blocks work here, if someone can be blocked for something twice or not". I misread/misunderstood the block reason at first and now see that the original edit summary had nothing to do with this block. Sorry if I caused any confusion. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 09:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
3nk1namshub, indefinite does not mean infinite. You are welcome to appeal the block, of course, but I recommend you wait a few months before doing so. You have just been too
disruptive, so significant correction would be expected. I am otherwise declining your request, for now.
El_C
14:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
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I am sorry to see this on my watchlist this morning. I've commented in the AN discussion around the block, but wanted to comment here also. While some of your behavior around this issue was disruptive ( edit warring, etc.), I disagree that it warranted an indefinite block, particularly given you were already blocked for your behavior in the diff being used against you now, and you acknowledged the issue and apologized for it.
I really disagree with the folks who are trying to write you off as a troll. The Signpost piece was disgusting, and it's frankly embarrassing that there were not consequences for those who wrote and published it. It should have been deleted, and its preservation in the page history (along with all of the "keep" votes and similar at the MfD) remains a stark reminder of the editing environment that people who are different from the average Wikipedian[a] are forced to endure here if they wish to try to contribute. Questioning that is not trolling, it's perfectly understandable outrage.
Speaking as a longterm member of the English Wikipedia editing community, it is uncomfortable to be confronted with questions like those posed by 3nk1namshub: why were attacks like this one on transgender people not only allowed, but defended by a swath of our community? Why is behavior like this—hatred against a group of marginalized people—not condemned by our community in the same way we (rightfully) condemn those pushing hatred against people of color? It's uncomfortable because I don't have good answers, and I think that is because there are no good answers to why we allow this. We ought to be strongly disavowing this behavior within our community, which is in direct violation of the wmf:Code of conduct policy, not accepting it as some sort of difference of opinion. Bigotry is not a difference of opinion. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
"Perfer et obdura, dolor hic tibi proderit olim." (Be patient and tough; someday this pain will be useful to you.).
You are on the right side of history. Ignore the barbs; they are the yammering fools trying desperately to summon a relevance and respect they do not and cannot have. -- Jorm ( talk) 20:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
3nk1namshub, I have unblocked you. Please take up GorillaWarfare on her offer of mentorship. Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm pleased with this, because several people have offered to help and support you. You're interested in an area that is frequently subject to bad-faith comments, and I think a support network will help you here. Don't let the transphobes get to you. We have people here who seriously argue that JK Rowling is advocating for women's rights and that Graham Linehan is not a transphobe. We can't make them go away, and I don't think they will treat you with respect, so please take care of yourself and remember to ask for help if you feel angry or attacked. Guy ( help!) 10:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
User:3nk1namshub ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I have removed This comment per WP:BATTLEGROUND. Please do not resume the behavior that resulted in your previous block.
Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive322#3nk1namshub
-- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
noted. i've changed it to be less confrontational, and more objective
3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 01:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
3nk1namshub, I definitely strongly echo what CaptainEek said. If someone told you to ignore that kind of despicable harassment, ostensibly, so as to avoid further harassment, they were dead wrong. That most definitely is not a stance which is representative of the community. Our position is zero tolerance (unambiguously) against anything like that happening anywhere on the project. El_C 04:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
we don't enforce a neo-fascist speech code, which is just beyond the pale. Those exchanges alone are beyond embarrassing. I am personally embarrassed to have played a part in any of that, unwittingly and otherwise. Wow, GorillaWarfare, you are right. This is dark. What a wake up call. El_C 18:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Before posting here, please make sure someone has not already brought up the same issue you have. I frequently blank this page, so please also check the edit history. Thank you. 3nk1namshub ( talk) 07:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I am deeply sorry for the way you've been treated for the past few hours. There is no excusing it. The only solace that I can give is that editing on Wikipedia is not generally like this. You used a noticeboard to start a discussion that belonged elsewhere, and a bunch of editors callously tried to bounce you out (the usual process for misfiled discussions) instead of explaining where to voice your concerns. Wikipedia is a mixed bag. On the one hand you have what you saw today. On the other hand, it is miles better on pronouns than most places that aren't explicitly queer. I can explain more, and about the transphobic "humor" piece and the row over redacting it as well, but I don't want to overwhelm you with a wall of text that you didn't ask for. signed, Rosguill talk 07:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@ Rosguill: @ Jasper Deng: I appreciate you both talking to me. I think I'm just gonna ask for an indefinite block or something. Regardless of their intention, Jonesey showed me how neurotypicals see me, and how they always will see me, and it's not good. Knowing how people see me, I'd rather just... not...
I made a positive change to Rebecca Heineman, I feel okay leaving knowing I actually did something good in the world. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 08:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
{{
unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}
.
Guy (
help!)
08:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)You had me with this edit sumnmary: [1]. Everything since points to you being constitutionally unsuited to Wikipedia. I have posted this for review at WP:AN. Guy ( help!) 08:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
@ JzG: There was an edit conflict. Sorry if I screw something up.
3nk1namshub ( block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser ( log))
Request reason:
I'll be honest, I don't remember even typing that. I'll admit, back when that was happening, I was absolutely unsuited to Wikipedia. I've got some problems (as if that weren't incredibly apparent by now), especially with socializing and communicating with people. I was given a 24 hour block for it to cool down, and I did. I apologized for my actions, and if I had remembered that summary, I would've brought that up as well. I don't know how blocks work here, if someone can be blocked for something twice or not. In the time since that original block, and in the past few hours here, I think I've begun to learn how Wikipedia works. The culture here is very different from the cultures I'm normally a part of, and it's of course on me to deal with that and not bother anyone. It's clear I've done a bad job with that. However, I've had a few other admins here vouch for me, and I think, after a week, maybe a month away, I could be useful here. I came in here and didn't read the rules. People pointed out WP:SPA and WP:RGW to me; while I disagree with them from a societal standpoint, I see that Wikipedia doesn't and shouldn't work like an IRL society does. I read your post on ANI, and I agree. I don't think now is a good time for me to be here. I've got a lot of issues IRL and I think it's pretty clear that they're coming out here. I know I probably don't deserve it, but I'd like to ask for one final chance. Please, give me a block for a week, a month, even a year; give me a chance to try and work on myself so I might be able to be useful here. If you're unwilling to do that, I understand. I've fucked up more than a little bit here. I've fucked up more than a lot here, really. I dunno. I'm sorry, I'm rambling, I haven't slept in a while, and I've had a rough night outside Wikipedia. Whatever your decision, I accept it, and I hope I will be able to learn from it. I know it's a bit late for apologies, but I'm sorry. I hope I at least made sense. Thank you all for everything. My experience here hasn't been great and that's completely my fault, but It's been important for me, I think. I've been living in a bit of a bubble for a while and this has helped pop it. I'm still rambling, sorry. I don't really know how to end this without repeating myself. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 09:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC) I want to edit something. I said "I don't know how blocks work here, if someone can be blocked for something twice or not". I misread/misunderstood the block reason at first and now see that the original edit summary had nothing to do with this block. Sorry if I caused any confusion. 3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 09:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Decline reason:
3nk1namshub, indefinite does not mean infinite. You are welcome to appeal the block, of course, but I recommend you wait a few months before doing so. You have just been too
disruptive, so significant correction would be expected. I am otherwise declining your request, for now.
El_C
14:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{ unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
I am sorry to see this on my watchlist this morning. I've commented in the AN discussion around the block, but wanted to comment here also. While some of your behavior around this issue was disruptive ( edit warring, etc.), I disagree that it warranted an indefinite block, particularly given you were already blocked for your behavior in the diff being used against you now, and you acknowledged the issue and apologized for it.
I really disagree with the folks who are trying to write you off as a troll. The Signpost piece was disgusting, and it's frankly embarrassing that there were not consequences for those who wrote and published it. It should have been deleted, and its preservation in the page history (along with all of the "keep" votes and similar at the MfD) remains a stark reminder of the editing environment that people who are different from the average Wikipedian[a] are forced to endure here if they wish to try to contribute. Questioning that is not trolling, it's perfectly understandable outrage.
Speaking as a longterm member of the English Wikipedia editing community, it is uncomfortable to be confronted with questions like those posed by 3nk1namshub: why were attacks like this one on transgender people not only allowed, but defended by a swath of our community? Why is behavior like this—hatred against a group of marginalized people—not condemned by our community in the same way we (rightfully) condemn those pushing hatred against people of color? It's uncomfortable because I don't have good answers, and I think that is because there are no good answers to why we allow this. We ought to be strongly disavowing this behavior within our community, which is in direct violation of the wmf:Code of conduct policy, not accepting it as some sort of difference of opinion. Bigotry is not a difference of opinion. GorillaWarfare (talk) 16:47, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
"Perfer et obdura, dolor hic tibi proderit olim." (Be patient and tough; someday this pain will be useful to you.).
You are on the right side of history. Ignore the barbs; they are the yammering fools trying desperately to summon a relevance and respect they do not and cannot have. -- Jorm ( talk) 20:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
3nk1namshub, I have unblocked you. Please take up GorillaWarfare on her offer of mentorship. Barkeep49 ( talk) 23:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm pleased with this, because several people have offered to help and support you. You're interested in an area that is frequently subject to bad-faith comments, and I think a support network will help you here. Don't let the transphobes get to you. We have people here who seriously argue that JK Rowling is advocating for women's rights and that Graham Linehan is not a transphobe. We can't make them go away, and I don't think they will treat you with respect, so please take care of yourself and remember to ask for help if you feel angry or attacked. Guy ( help!) 10:17, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
User:3nk1namshub ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I have removed This comment per WP:BATTLEGROUND. Please do not resume the behavior that resulted in your previous block.
Previous discussion: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive322#3nk1namshub
-- Guy Macon ( talk) 00:27, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
noted. i've changed it to be less confrontational, and more objective
3nk1namshub (they/them) ( talk) 01:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
3nk1namshub, I definitely strongly echo what CaptainEek said. If someone told you to ignore that kind of despicable harassment, ostensibly, so as to avoid further harassment, they were dead wrong. That most definitely is not a stance which is representative of the community. Our position is zero tolerance (unambiguously) against anything like that happening anywhere on the project. El_C 04:51, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
we don't enforce a neo-fascist speech code, which is just beyond the pale. Those exchanges alone are beyond embarrassing. I am personally embarrassed to have played a part in any of that, unwittingly and otherwise. Wow, GorillaWarfare, you are right. This is dark. What a wake up call. El_C 18:55, 17 January 2021 (UTC)