Of course it was Pałac Blanka. I must've been blind, thanks for the correction. [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 18:41, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'd be happy to help as soon as I get home. I'm not a member of the Warsaw Jewish commune myself, but many of my friends are and I guess I have quite a lot of materials on the recent Jewish revival, most notably the re-creation of communes in Warsaw, Gdansk, Bialystok and other places.
I think that after we finish, we could split that article onto two parts: the calender and the description. There are already a lot of pics related to the topic, so we can even think of expanding the article to featured status... -- Halibu tt 09:49, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
Great... I will start adding in the discussion section some outlines for 1945-2005 period. -- Ttyre 01:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I removed the reference because the article is about Anti-Semitism, not Anti-Polonism. Jayjg (talk) 13:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I was unavailable to respond to you right away. My reply is at the article's Talk page. Thanks. ← Humus sapiens← Talk 22:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ttyre, I'm afraid you didn't even look at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland. I did post justification for the NPOV tag. Please see the link I put there. HKT 17:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the well-reasoned debate, filled with many facts. Your ability to compromise around solutions, provide evidence of your own, and still listen to the evidence of others who you may not agree with was very refreshing. While I don't necessarily agree with all of your perspective, I do think the debate was productive, and the outcome was a higher quality article, so thanks! -- Goodoldpolonius2 03:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sure - I assume a type in name? - just give me the direct link. As I need to go for 12h+, you may want to redirect and list on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 07:17, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please delete Statue of Kalisz article - I have made a typo (Statue rather than Statute). I don't want to redirect since I have also created the article with a correct name Statute of Kalisz. Thank you. -- Ttyre 13:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm really exhausted with that talk :) -- SylwiaS 18:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I believe that many, if not most, of these discussions are pointless unless well reseached and well written content is presented. There is so much content to add thus so little time to waste. Looking forward to your Vistula Action article. -- Ttyre 22:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Vistula action! Now you gave me to think. Vistula action 32000 google hits and Wisła action 36000 google hits. Which one would be better?
Yes, you're perfectly right. I asked for sources many times. And even so I should have never wasted my time for it. However, my grandma was hiding a Jewish girl during the war but she was never judging anyone. It's really hard to see so many people being so easily condemn by some, who never experienced it. -- SylwiaS 23:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The article got a VfD tag from me for two reasons. Despite being tagged as a speedy delete candidate, it was not, and lots of silly games were being played with this tag. Second, the article, as you note, has some POV difficulties. Because of the need for some to see it deleted, I simply placed it in the correct venue. I have no interest in the topic myself, but I want due process to be maintained. Denni ☯ 00:15, 2005 July 11 (UTC)
I understand your position but not share your optimism regarding possibility of substantially dividing/revising/moving any portion of Anti-Semitism article. Please recall a message I left you on June 2, 2005 User_talk:Piotrus#Anti-Semitism_in_Poland. For the reasons I don't fully understand, this article is plagued with gross redundancy accompanied by complete unwillingness of some editors to deal with it. Today, I have asked User_talk:Gzuckier#Numerus_clausus to move portion of his contributions to Numerus clausus article without really expecting much. What I think will happen in case Anti-Semitism in Poland article stays is that we will end-up with 2 different versions of the content in both places + plenty of it in History of the Jews in Poland and History of Poland. Nie chcę krakać but realistically this might be expected. BTW, what a mess with the VfD... -- Ttyre 02:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
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I'm not sure how much longer this will stay on VfD. It could probably come off now, but I don't take any part in maintaining pages on VfD. You may want to post your request directly to the page itself. Denni ☯ 18:15, 2005 July 19 (UTC)
A co dokladnie zlego w jego liczeniu? Zapytaj sie go na jego talku, i na stronach dyskusji. W zasadzie przewaga byla na delete, ale nie wiem dokladnie jaka wiekszosc jest ku temu wymagana. Jak zostanie, to ja jestem za tym jak pisalem zreszta, by usunac polski as ze strony o as i przywrocic moja wersje na tamtej stronie. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Ttyre, on the list you lited user:4~, who now shows as your name, change him for Ril, it's his username. -- SylwiaS 15:42, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Ja sie na tym nie znam. Bez obrazy, ale jak mawiaja - nawarzyles piwo... Nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie bys przeczytal instrukcje o kasowaniu a nawet kandydowal na admina i specjalizowal sie w tym :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:32, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
No problemus. Gzuckier
I suspect that ABCD's claim that the result was "keep" is partisan. I am considering raising an RFC on the issue. If I did that, would you second it? ~~~~ 13:46, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
Today I finally got a break from work. I've just done 8 nightshifts in a row! So I've, at last, been able to turn my attention to editing the Anti-Semitism in Poland article. Please let me know your views on the current version. -- wayland 14:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing me up to date with status of the vote and debate. -- wayland 11:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Popieram, wszystkie antypolskie wypowiedzi powinne byc zawarte w artykulach osob ktore je wyrazily.-- Witkacy 20:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Kurcze, naprawdę nie wiem czy to dobry pomysł. Ale z drugiej strony same komentarze na stronie RfA mogłyby być wystarczającą zachętą... Ciekaw jestem czy dorzucę jeszcze jakąś obelgę do listy z mojej strony użytkownika :) Halibu tt 17:32, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
No i się sprawdziło :)
Your "curious statistics" are based on an assumption of significance that is not correct. The number of mentions of the word "anti-semitism" in particular Jewish history articles are only an indicator of how much they have been edited from their Jewish Encyclopedia version, since the Jewish Encyclopedia was published in 1906, when the term was not popular. In fact, the Encyclopedia only uses the word anti-semitism in articles about Bulgaria, Algeria, and, Luxmebourg(!), and not at all in its articles about Germany, Spain, etc. As you can tell, very little work has gone into the article on Germany outside of a cut-and-paste from the Nazi article, and I just inserted Spain a day or two ago without real editing (and never touched Besarabia), so they will not mention anti-Semitism -- though you miscounted in the case of Germany, search for "anti-semitic" as well. I would suggest that you actually read the articles on Germany and Spain, you will see that they tell about anti-Jewish persecution, just as much as the articles on Poland and Russia, if not more so, since they have not had the goings-over that the Jewish-Polish article has. In any case, I am not sure what your point is, in any case, what problem are you believing exists? -- Goodoldpolonius2 20:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
It depends on the context. If the sentence speaks about a city, it is normally translated as "on the outskirts of <>" A general-purpose translation would be "on the approaches to <>". mikka (t) 19:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
There is effort again to mislead people about Daniel Pipes' Jewish heritage and background. I have no idea why. Can you take a look? Thanks. DannyZz 20:39, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
It might be useful, if you still have Richard Pipes's memoirs in front of you, if you could cite direct quotes, although I think it's ridiculous to demand this. john k 01:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought you would like to join and vote. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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Of course it was Pałac Blanka. I must've been blind, thanks for the correction. [[User:Halibutt| Halibu tt]] 18:41, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
I'd be happy to help as soon as I get home. I'm not a member of the Warsaw Jewish commune myself, but many of my friends are and I guess I have quite a lot of materials on the recent Jewish revival, most notably the re-creation of communes in Warsaw, Gdansk, Bialystok and other places.
I think that after we finish, we could split that article onto two parts: the calender and the description. There are already a lot of pics related to the topic, so we can even think of expanding the article to featured status... -- Halibu tt 09:49, Apr 17, 2005 (UTC)
Great... I will start adding in the discussion section some outlines for 1945-2005 period. -- Ttyre 01:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I removed the reference because the article is about Anti-Semitism, not Anti-Polonism. Jayjg (talk) 13:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sorry I was unavailable to respond to you right away. My reply is at the article's Talk page. Thanks. ← Humus sapiens← Talk 22:18, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ttyre, I'm afraid you didn't even look at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland. I did post justification for the NPOV tag. Please see the link I put there. HKT 17:05, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Thank you for the well-reasoned debate, filled with many facts. Your ability to compromise around solutions, provide evidence of your own, and still listen to the evidence of others who you may not agree with was very refreshing. While I don't necessarily agree with all of your perspective, I do think the debate was productive, and the outcome was a higher quality article, so thanks! -- Goodoldpolonius2 03:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sure - I assume a type in name? - just give me the direct link. As I need to go for 12h+, you may want to redirect and list on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 07:17, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please delete Statue of Kalisz article - I have made a typo (Statue rather than Statute). I don't want to redirect since I have also created the article with a correct name Statute of Kalisz. Thank you. -- Ttyre 13:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm really exhausted with that talk :) -- SylwiaS 18:16, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
I believe that many, if not most, of these discussions are pointless unless well reseached and well written content is presented. There is so much content to add thus so little time to waste. Looking forward to your Vistula Action article. -- Ttyre 22:39, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
Vistula action! Now you gave me to think. Vistula action 32000 google hits and Wisła action 36000 google hits. Which one would be better?
Yes, you're perfectly right. I asked for sources many times. And even so I should have never wasted my time for it. However, my grandma was hiding a Jewish girl during the war but she was never judging anyone. It's really hard to see so many people being so easily condemn by some, who never experienced it. -- SylwiaS 23:36, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
The article got a VfD tag from me for two reasons. Despite being tagged as a speedy delete candidate, it was not, and lots of silly games were being played with this tag. Second, the article, as you note, has some POV difficulties. Because of the need for some to see it deleted, I simply placed it in the correct venue. I have no interest in the topic myself, but I want due process to be maintained. Denni ☯ 00:15, 2005 July 11 (UTC)
I understand your position but not share your optimism regarding possibility of substantially dividing/revising/moving any portion of Anti-Semitism article. Please recall a message I left you on June 2, 2005 User_talk:Piotrus#Anti-Semitism_in_Poland. For the reasons I don't fully understand, this article is plagued with gross redundancy accompanied by complete unwillingness of some editors to deal with it. Today, I have asked User_talk:Gzuckier#Numerus_clausus to move portion of his contributions to Numerus clausus article without really expecting much. What I think will happen in case Anti-Semitism in Poland article stays is that we will end-up with 2 different versions of the content in both places + plenty of it in History of the Jews in Poland and History of Poland. Nie chcę krakać but realistically this might be expected. BTW, what a mess with the VfD... -- Ttyre 02:39, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
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I'm not sure how much longer this will stay on VfD. It could probably come off now, but I don't take any part in maintaining pages on VfD. You may want to post your request directly to the page itself. Denni ☯ 18:15, 2005 July 19 (UTC)
A co dokladnie zlego w jego liczeniu? Zapytaj sie go na jego talku, i na stronach dyskusji. W zasadzie przewaga byla na delete, ale nie wiem dokladnie jaka wiekszosc jest ku temu wymagana. Jak zostanie, to ja jestem za tym jak pisalem zreszta, by usunac polski as ze strony o as i przywrocic moja wersje na tamtej stronie. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 13:38, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Ttyre, on the list you lited user:4~, who now shows as your name, change him for Ril, it's his username. -- SylwiaS 15:42, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Ja sie na tym nie znam. Bez obrazy, ale jak mawiaja - nawarzyles piwo... Nic nie stoi na przeszkodzie bys przeczytal instrukcje o kasowaniu a nawet kandydowal na admina i specjalizowal sie w tym :) -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 18:32, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
No problemus. Gzuckier
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Today I finally got a break from work. I've just done 8 nightshifts in a row! So I've, at last, been able to turn my attention to editing the Anti-Semitism in Poland article. Please let me know your views on the current version. -- wayland 14:50, 24 July 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for bringing me up to date with status of the vote and debate. -- wayland 11:07, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Popieram, wszystkie antypolskie wypowiedzi powinne byc zawarte w artykulach osob ktore je wyrazily.-- Witkacy 20:52, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
Kurcze, naprawdę nie wiem czy to dobry pomysł. Ale z drugiej strony same komentarze na stronie RfA mogłyby być wystarczającą zachętą... Ciekaw jestem czy dorzucę jeszcze jakąś obelgę do listy z mojej strony użytkownika :) Halibu tt 17:32, July 27, 2005 (UTC)
No i się sprawdziło :)
Your "curious statistics" are based on an assumption of significance that is not correct. The number of mentions of the word "anti-semitism" in particular Jewish history articles are only an indicator of how much they have been edited from their Jewish Encyclopedia version, since the Jewish Encyclopedia was published in 1906, when the term was not popular. In fact, the Encyclopedia only uses the word anti-semitism in articles about Bulgaria, Algeria, and, Luxmebourg(!), and not at all in its articles about Germany, Spain, etc. As you can tell, very little work has gone into the article on Germany outside of a cut-and-paste from the Nazi article, and I just inserted Spain a day or two ago without real editing (and never touched Besarabia), so they will not mention anti-Semitism -- though you miscounted in the case of Germany, search for "anti-semitic" as well. I would suggest that you actually read the articles on Germany and Spain, you will see that they tell about anti-Jewish persecution, just as much as the articles on Poland and Russia, if not more so, since they have not had the goings-over that the Jewish-Polish article has. In any case, I am not sure what your point is, in any case, what problem are you believing exists? -- Goodoldpolonius2 20:16, 29 July 2005 (UTC)
It depends on the context. If the sentence speaks about a city, it is normally translated as "on the outskirts of <>" A general-purpose translation would be "on the approaches to <>". mikka (t) 19:55, 31 July 2005 (UTC)
There is effort again to mislead people about Daniel Pipes' Jewish heritage and background. I have no idea why. Can you take a look? Thanks. DannyZz 20:39, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
It might be useful, if you still have Richard Pipes's memoirs in front of you, if you could cite direct quotes, although I think it's ridiculous to demand this. john k 01:23, 21 September 2005 (UTC)
I thought you would like to join and vote. -- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 14:24, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
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