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I would prefer this version [1]
because here it is more clear that the names in the lower right cell are a mixture of low-left and up-right. Easier to see which terms are in which section. The content centered looks nicer, (for marketing) , but is less usefull IMO Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't understand your organizational scheme at first glance, so that's why I centered it, because I thought it was easier on the eyes that way. If you do want to revert it back, since you're the creator of the template I'll respect that, but I think colons to separate the data is good. -- Barfooz (talk) 03:53, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I normally prefer when templates like this are centered, but in this particular case some of the lines contain so little information that centering them does not look particularly appealing. I would use the left-align version myself. And please please please remove that awful ugly Edit link!— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 13:24, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. That I was the original creator should not be important ;-) , but thanks. I left the edit link for now, it helps me a lot to be faster in edit mode. with templates it is so much clicking otherwise. of course can/should be removed one day. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
is hamlet a subnational entity? It's really difficult. I do not know the answer. Has any administrative meaning? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
But where to? Adam78 02:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't Federal be moved to federal/national, since many nations/countries have capitals (and/or capital districts) even if they aren't federations? -- Dpr 20:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I reverted it back because this disambiguated version seems better. Perhaps there's a reason that just hasn't been stated yet which will make the other version seem better. Tedernst | talk 00:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
This template is loaded with links to disambiguation pages, including Banner (not labeled as a dab, but should be); Council; Department, and probably some others. This leads me to question the whole concept of this template. There are so many different systems of government around the world, each one of which has its own sui generis system of subnational entities, that a template trying to summarize all of them is pretty much useless. -- Russ Blau (talk) 09:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
where can rural and local councils as SE (subnational entity) be found? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
... Dominion (colony) was removed. I think it was in because a dominion is not fully sovereign? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
In an experiment to try the above, I've created this as a prototype for perhaps three or four similar templates for national divisions other than administrative, e.g. electoral, environmental, developmental... I'm aware, however, that unlike the many varieties of administrative division, there may only be a few varieties of electoral/environmental/developmental/etc divisions. If so, perhaps a single (but efficiently filled) template is most appropriate. I haven't researched divisions other than administrative divisions yet, so perhaps someone might advise; apart from this, however, what do folk make of this approach...? Regards, David Kernow ( talk) 01:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
In converting the template to the {{ Navigation}} format being used in country/territory articles, I've:
There are more terms to add, per here and probably elsewhere; I'll start work on the former anon. The emboldened terms on the template should correspond with the most popular terms appearing here. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe we missed such a key one.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't riding be included here too somewhere (a subdivision of county). Jameboy 17:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the redlinked List of terms for contemporary administrative country subdivisions on the template page instead point to Table of administrative country subdivisions by country, or something else? -- Quiddity 19:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
AHH -- good catch... the other was either a redirect page or David Kernow's related workup page. He put one heck of a lot of work into this over six weeks back in 2006 with my occasional kibitzing. // Fra nkB 17:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
May I suggest adding a Hide (unit). Also a Tithing is missing (being 1/10th of a Hundred (country subdivision) which you do list}. Exit2DOS2000• T• C• 23:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC) Done - Also moved related hundred to archaic usages. // Fra nkB 18:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else wonder if this template might be better named "Country subdivision types" (per its category)? Sardanaphalus ( talk) 12:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
What about Deelgemeente? Voxii ( talk) 23:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Is there some reason why Arrondissement is in capitals? Lozleader ( talk) 20:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
this showed up on the Indian reserve page; when displayed, it shows Reserve as if the two were equivalent; it has no useful purpose on pages, covers too many languages and countries, jumbles contexts; another bad pipe is for "Land District" which only goes to the Tasmanian ones. This is clutter; especially if it's on all the pages it links to, random and unrelated other than being "country subdivisions"....in multiple languages. Should be TfD'd. I've removed it from the Indian reserve page, and will do so also on other pages where it has no role other than template-clutter. Bulky and poorly arranged, and bloated, is all I see, with no useful purpose. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
It looks that the edit summary was cut short in my reversal of the recent move. The part that didn't fit contained a suggestion to file a move request if the reason for the revertion is disagreed with. Cheers,— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); June 25, 2015; 17:59 (UTC)
Can someone intervene? 85.182.83.131 ( talk) 18:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
2014-09-05 Funandtrvl added six non-English language specific templates [3]
Later two more have been added:
On the individual pages, e.g. Muhafazah, these are used standalone. So one cannot navigate to the foreign language term pages and use the footer navigation to navigate back. Footer navigation in general is used for navigation between all items mentioned in that navigation box. To stick to that concept there are two options
Adding the full template to all makes the language specific navigation less usefull, since items are harder to find between the items of the other languages. Even more so, since the templates are collapsed twice. 80.171.160.223 ( talk) 19:50, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
It has been a long time since
User:Tobias Conradi was banned, and the main article was formally renamed at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country subdivision. There are an awful lot of redlinks in this template. The categories also need considerable cleanup.
William Allen Simpson (
talk) 00:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
This template was considered for deletion on 2006 April 16. The result of the discussion was "keep". |
Countries Template‑class | ||||||||||||||
|
I would prefer this version [1]
because here it is more clear that the names in the lower right cell are a mixture of low-left and up-right. Easier to see which terms are in which section. The content centered looks nicer, (for marketing) , but is less usefull IMO Tobias Conradi (Talk) 23:19, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I didn't understand your organizational scheme at first glance, so that's why I centered it, because I thought it was easier on the eyes that way. If you do want to revert it back, since you're the creator of the template I'll respect that, but I think colons to separate the data is good. -- Barfooz (talk) 03:53, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I normally prefer when templates like this are centered, but in this particular case some of the lines contain so little information that centering them does not look particularly appealing. I would use the left-align version myself. And please please please remove that awful ugly Edit link!— Ëzhiki (erinaceus amurensis) 13:24, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
Thanks to both of you. That I was the original creator should not be important ;-) , but thanks. I left the edit link for now, it helps me a lot to be faster in edit mode. with templates it is so much clicking otherwise. of course can/should be removed one day. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 16:12, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
is hamlet a subnational entity? It's really difficult. I do not know the answer. Has any administrative meaning? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 12:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
But where to? Adam78 02:10, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
Shouldn't Federal be moved to federal/national, since many nations/countries have capitals (and/or capital districts) even if they aren't federations? -- Dpr 20:48, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I reverted it back because this disambiguated version seems better. Perhaps there's a reason that just hasn't been stated yet which will make the other version seem better. Tedernst | talk 00:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
This template is loaded with links to disambiguation pages, including Banner (not labeled as a dab, but should be); Council; Department, and probably some others. This leads me to question the whole concept of this template. There are so many different systems of government around the world, each one of which has its own sui generis system of subnational entities, that a template trying to summarize all of them is pretty much useless. -- Russ Blau (talk) 09:40, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
where can rural and local councils as SE (subnational entity) be found? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:55, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
... Dominion (colony) was removed. I think it was in because a dominion is not fully sovereign? Tobias Conradi (Talk) 20:13, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
In an experiment to try the above, I've created this as a prototype for perhaps three or four similar templates for national divisions other than administrative, e.g. electoral, environmental, developmental... I'm aware, however, that unlike the many varieties of administrative division, there may only be a few varieties of electoral/environmental/developmental/etc divisions. If so, perhaps a single (but efficiently filled) template is most appropriate. I haven't researched divisions other than administrative divisions yet, so perhaps someone might advise; apart from this, however, what do folk make of this approach...? Regards, David Kernow ( talk) 01:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
In converting the template to the {{ Navigation}} format being used in country/territory articles, I've:
There are more terms to add, per here and probably elsewhere; I'll start work on the former anon. The emboldened terms on the template should correspond with the most popular terms appearing here. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 13:56, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe we missed such a key one.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk 13:21, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Shouldn't riding be included here too somewhere (a subdivision of county). Jameboy 17:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
Should the redlinked List of terms for contemporary administrative country subdivisions on the template page instead point to Table of administrative country subdivisions by country, or something else? -- Quiddity 19:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
AHH -- good catch... the other was either a redirect page or David Kernow's related workup page. He put one heck of a lot of work into this over six weeks back in 2006 with my occasional kibitzing. // Fra nkB 17:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
May I suggest adding a Hide (unit). Also a Tithing is missing (being 1/10th of a Hundred (country subdivision) which you do list}. Exit2DOS2000• T• C• 23:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC) Done - Also moved related hundred to archaic usages. // Fra nkB 18:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
Anyone else wonder if this template might be better named "Country subdivision types" (per its category)? Sardanaphalus ( talk) 12:54, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
What about Deelgemeente? Voxii ( talk) 23:17, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
Is there some reason why Arrondissement is in capitals? Lozleader ( talk) 20:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
this showed up on the Indian reserve page; when displayed, it shows Reserve as if the two were equivalent; it has no useful purpose on pages, covers too many languages and countries, jumbles contexts; another bad pipe is for "Land District" which only goes to the Tasmanian ones. This is clutter; especially if it's on all the pages it links to, random and unrelated other than being "country subdivisions"....in multiple languages. Should be TfD'd. I've removed it from the Indian reserve page, and will do so also on other pages where it has no role other than template-clutter. Bulky and poorly arranged, and bloated, is all I see, with no useful purpose. Skookum1 ( talk) 15:55, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
It looks that the edit summary was cut short in my reversal of the recent move. The part that didn't fit contained a suggestion to file a move request if the reason for the revertion is disagreed with. Cheers,— Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • ( yo?); June 25, 2015; 17:59 (UTC)
Can someone intervene? 85.182.83.131 ( talk) 18:32, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
2014-09-05 Funandtrvl added six non-English language specific templates [3]
Later two more have been added:
On the individual pages, e.g. Muhafazah, these are used standalone. So one cannot navigate to the foreign language term pages and use the footer navigation to navigate back. Footer navigation in general is used for navigation between all items mentioned in that navigation box. To stick to that concept there are two options
Adding the full template to all makes the language specific navigation less usefull, since items are harder to find between the items of the other languages. Even more so, since the templates are collapsed twice. 80.171.160.223 ( talk) 19:50, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
It has been a long time since
User:Tobias Conradi was banned, and the main article was formally renamed at
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Country subdivision. There are an awful lot of redlinks in this template. The categories also need considerable cleanup.
William Allen Simpson (
talk) 00:43, 25 December 2020 (UTC)