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Currently, invocation of this template without parameters except the master ({{sockpuppet|Example}}
) or with the "suspected" parameter ({{sockpuppet|Example|suspected}}
) produces the following:
An editor has expressed a concern that this account may be a
sockpuppet of
Example (
talk ·
contribs ·
logs). Please refer to the sockpuppet investigation of the sockpuppeteer, and editing habits or contributions of the sockpuppet for evidence. This policy subsection may be helpful. Account information: block log – contribs – logs – abuse log – CentralAuth |
I think this is rather suboptimal, because it leads to erroneous tagging (it would seem more intuitive that the template without parameter or a suspected
parameter marks the editor as a blocked suspected sockpuppet), and because I believe that we shouldn't be tagging people as socks if they haven't been clearly identified as such and blocked.
ToBeFree removed (
[1]
[2]) these two parameters from the documentation a few months ago (something I obviously agree with), but the code of the template has not changed. I'm not a template wizard, so I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I'm wondering if we can remove these parameters (and instead have them redirect to what is currently produced by {{sockpuppet|Example|blocked}}
). The technical issue I see is that the template is currently in use on userpages of actual blocked socks, so outright removal would lead to correct sock tags being removed and messing up categories. Hence, I basically have two questions:
An AWB run to remove all current uses of this version would untag socks that should be tagged, subst:ing would (as far as I know) uncategorise the socks and render the template useless, and simple retargeting would tag people who aren't blocked as blocked sockpuppets. One potential solution I can think of would be to query the database for uses of this version of the template on pages of users that blocked or globally locked, selectively remove them from those pages, and then retarget the parameters. Blablubbs| talk 16:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking at different classes of sockpuppet tags without second parameter. Some seem to need manual review and fix, and others might be quickly removed. A low hanging fruit are the 264 unblocked IPs that have this tag, and can probably all removed with very quick review (AWB maybe?). See the list here: https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:MarioGom/fix_sockpuppet_templates.ipynb#Unblocked-IPs-without-second-parameter I can assist with the removal if there is consensus, or a SPI clerk or admin might want to do it instead? MarioGom ( talk) 11:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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"as well as being" is needlessly awkward and grammatically incorrect (inconsistency of tense). Please replace it with a simple "and".-- Jasper Deng (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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template. Let's allow for a bit of discussion, if needed. It might help to put the desired changes in the sandbox and demonstrate them on the testcases page, since the code has a bunch of if statements that are not trivial to parse. –
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Remove "also" as described here. Also remove NOINDEX as user pages and user talk pages are not indexed by default. Toadette ( Let's discuss together!) 11:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Can you please add File:Wikimedia-globalblock.svg to the template so it can look like this, kinda like what's on the Template:Sockpuppet/sandbox? 167.205.23.115 ( talk) 03:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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template. I don't see this icon on the sandbox page or the testcases page, and I don't know that it matches the intent of this template. –
Jonesey95 (
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Template:Sockpuppet is permanently
protected from editing because it is a
heavily used or highly visible template. Substantial changes should first be proposed and discussed here on this page. If the proposal is uncontroversial or has been discussed and is supported by
consensus, editors may use {{
edit template-protected}} to notify an administrator or template editor to make the requested edit. Usually, any contributor may edit the template's
documentation to add usage notes or
categories.
Any contributor may edit the template's sandbox. Functionality of the template can be checked using test cases. |
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Sockpuppet template. |
|
Archives: 1, 2Auto-archiving period: 120 days |
This template was nominated for
deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:
|
Currently, invocation of this template without parameters except the master ({{sockpuppet|Example}}
) or with the "suspected" parameter ({{sockpuppet|Example|suspected}}
) produces the following:
An editor has expressed a concern that this account may be a
sockpuppet of
Example (
talk ·
contribs ·
logs). Please refer to the sockpuppet investigation of the sockpuppeteer, and editing habits or contributions of the sockpuppet for evidence. This policy subsection may be helpful. Account information: block log – contribs – logs – abuse log – CentralAuth |
I think this is rather suboptimal, because it leads to erroneous tagging (it would seem more intuitive that the template without parameter or a suspected
parameter marks the editor as a blocked suspected sockpuppet), and because I believe that we shouldn't be tagging people as socks if they haven't been clearly identified as such and blocked.
ToBeFree removed (
[1]
[2]) these two parameters from the documentation a few months ago (something I obviously agree with), but the code of the template has not changed. I'm not a template wizard, so I'm not sure how feasible it is, but I'm wondering if we can remove these parameters (and instead have them redirect to what is currently produced by {{sockpuppet|Example|blocked}}
). The technical issue I see is that the template is currently in use on userpages of actual blocked socks, so outright removal would lead to correct sock tags being removed and messing up categories. Hence, I basically have two questions:
An AWB run to remove all current uses of this version would untag socks that should be tagged, subst:ing would (as far as I know) uncategorise the socks and render the template useless, and simple retargeting would tag people who aren't blocked as blocked sockpuppets. One potential solution I can think of would be to query the database for uses of this version of the template on pages of users that blocked or globally locked, selectively remove them from those pages, and then retarget the parameters. Blablubbs| talk 16:37, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm looking at different classes of sockpuppet tags without second parameter. Some seem to need manual review and fix, and others might be quickly removed. A low hanging fruit are the 264 unblocked IPs that have this tag, and can probably all removed with very quick review (AWB maybe?). See the list here: https://public.paws.wmcloud.org/User:MarioGom/fix_sockpuppet_templates.ipynb#Unblocked-IPs-without-second-parameter I can assist with the removal if there is consensus, or a SPI clerk or admin might want to do it instead? MarioGom ( talk) 11:09, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
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"as well as being" is needlessly awkward and grammatically incorrect (inconsistency of tense). Please replace it with a simple "and".-- Jasper Deng (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
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template. Let's allow for a bit of discussion, if needed. It might help to put the desired changes in the sandbox and demonstrate them on the testcases page, since the code has a bunch of if statements that are not trivial to parse. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 07:04, 22 July 2023 (UTC)
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Remove "also" as described here. Also remove NOINDEX as user pages and user talk pages are not indexed by default. Toadette ( Let's discuss together!) 11:31, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
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Can you please add File:Wikimedia-globalblock.svg to the template so it can look like this, kinda like what's on the Template:Sockpuppet/sandbox? 167.205.23.115 ( talk) 03:39, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
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template. I don't see this icon on the sandbox page or the testcases page, and I don't know that it matches the intent of this template. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 04:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)