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I request, following discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization ( "Several thoughts" and "Canadian ministry template sets"), the addition of code for five additional regent parameters, in order to increase the total number to eight and allow for the potential use of the parameters for MPs in multiple-seat constituencies.
The proposed code for the template is the following:
<includeonly>|width="40%" style="text-align: center;" rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"|'''{{{title}}}'''{{#if:{{{district|}}}|<br/><small>'''''Representative for {{{district}}}'''''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{dynasty|}}}|<br/>''{{{dynasty}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{creation|}}}|<br/>''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}|<br />{{{years}}}|}}{{#if:{{{regent1|}}}|<br/>''with {{{regent1}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years1|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years1}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent2|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent2}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years2|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years2}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent3|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent3}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years3|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years3}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent4|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent4}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years4|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years4}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent5|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent5}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years5|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years5}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent6|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent6}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years6|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years6}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent7|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent7}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years7|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years7}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent8|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent8}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years8|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years8}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{alongside|}}}|<br/><small>Served alongside: '''{{{alongside}}}'''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{lords|}}}|<br/><small>''Member of the [[House of Lords]]''<br/>''({{{lords}}})''</small>|}}</includeonly><noinclude> {{pp-template|small=yes}} {{documentation}} </noinclude>
The additions are actually rather simple; one only has to copy the code for a regent and their year and adjust the numbers. Waltham, The Duke of 06:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The text for alongside doesn't really work for non-political titles, see Neville Bonner#External Links. I suggest dropping the word "Served". Bazj ( talk) 11:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a parameter that puts a text where the "alongside" and "with" parameters put, but without adding any text before? I need to put "post consulatum Longini (East)", but it is impossible, if I understand correctly. -- TakenakaN ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It would be pretty usefull for tables like
this one to have the ability to have a cell span the whole table. Doesn't seem like a hard thing to implement (basically add something like colspan="{{{columns|1}}}"
right before rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"
.
Headbomb {
talk /
contribs /
physics /
books} 10:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
A discussion has been opened up at Line of succession to the British throne regarding a new field "claim". This field would be handled exactly the same way as the "creation" field is handled. I have demonstrated its use in the artcile Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau. Martinvl ( talk) 14:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Justification
Martinvl ( talk) 18:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
In this template on, for example,
William Kelly Wallace, we have |years=November 1955 – November 1956
. I propose that we subdivide that parameter, so that we would have something like: |date-from=November 1955
|date-to=November 1956
(and hard-code the en-dash in the template code), so that we have more granular data to aid machine readability. Once the template is recoded, we'd run a bot to convert the existing parameters. Any thoughts? Can you help?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 13:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Do we want the correct format when a person succeeds themselves to a position that has in fact only changed name to include multiple rows? See for example the succession box in Mikhail Gorbachev. Circéus ( talk) 17:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I've been testing a slightly altered version of the code at User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl to try and add two new parameters to resolve issues I've been coming across. The "Disputed" parameter will add an extra "with" line below the current 25 lines to allow the listing of a rival to the title. We may want to expand this parameter out further to a few more numbers. The style is identical to that of "with" except it says "Disputed by:".
The other parameter is to resolve a formatting error that occurs when people try to add "jure uxoris" beside a title. "Jure uxoris" means "in right of wife" in Latin and was a fairly common term used in medieval and early modern law when husbands took their wife's title. The parameter, which currently is just "uxoris" (the user must enter any plain text as the response or it will not show up), prompts "(jure uxoris" beside the title.
Here's a sample of the code:
What do you guys think? How do you think this should be improved or expanded? One thing I'd like to do is try to get it so typing "uxoris" automatically prompts the command without the need of typing "=" or anything after that. Let me know. – Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions) 22:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I propose adding a parameter called order
, which would allow an editor to indicate that a person was the nth holder of an office and where the creation
parameter would not be applicable. This would be displayed in front of the title. For example, for
Woodrow Wilson, one would enter:
{{s-bef|before=[[William Howard Taft]]}}
{{s-ttl|title=[[President of the United States]]|years=1913–1921|order=28th}}
{{s-aft|after=[[Warren G. Harding]]}}
The output of the title line would be: "28th
President of the United States". This is a feature that already exists in {{
Infobox officeholder}}. It would make sense to enable it here.
Ergo Sum 01:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Done Ergo Sum 18:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Now that members of the House of Lords are elected, do we need to add a new parameter to {{ s-par}}?
I mean, if you look at Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley (if it weren't for the different year), and Rupert Carington, 7th Baron Carrington, both appear to have succeeded their fathers to the seat in the House of Lords, which they didn't.
HandsomeFella ( talk) 10:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
|uk
gives Parliament of the United Kingdom, not the House of Lords.This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
several of the related templates have an "as" parameter, but s-ttl does not. I've noticed that quite a few articles kludge around this with markup that generates lint errors. Would it be possible to add a field so that this can be handled by the template? For example, Henry III, Count of Schauenburg-Holstein:
pauli133 ( talk) 21:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
{{#if:{{{as|}}}|<small>'''''as {{{as}}}'''''</small>}}
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 23:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
|before=
through |before10=
, after which |as=
is displayed. {{
S-ttl}}, in contrast, takes many more parameters, which you can see in that template's documentation. Take a look at the section called "Output (as table cell)" in that template's documentation, and then suggest where an "as" parameter should display (for example, "after 'years'" or "before 'Served alongside:'"). Should it be on its own line? Bold? Italic? The same size as the parameter before it or after it? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 23:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)This
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I would like to propose an additional parameter "under", similar to the current "alongside" parameter. It would be used for offices that have a direct subordinate relationship, notably Lieutenant Governors serving under Governors or Vice Presidents serving under Presidents. Additional uses could include cabinet members under a President / Prime Minister, or a Prime Minister under a monarch. I think that it would be so generally useful that I'm quite surprised it hasn't been included already.
The proposed code is:
{{#if:{{{under|}}}|<br /><small>Served under: '''{{{under}}}'''</small>|}}
This is simply the existing "alongside" code with the word "under" substituted for "alongside". I believe this is a rather straightforward, simple request that would be generally useful ... even more so than the existing "alongside" parameter, as this is a much more common relationship between offices.
2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44 (
talk) 07:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
I would like to suggest the addition of parameter which, if anything is entered, places a (Disputed) qualifier underneath the title. I've manually added such a tag this to Francis Wollaston (philosopher) as he tends to be listed by sources in the succession of Masters of Sidney Sussex College (e.g. [1] [2]) but with the caveat that his election was later declared void.
I suspect other editors might find the option useful in similar circumstances. Charlie A. ( talk) 21:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{disputed|}}}|<br />''(Disputed)''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....
...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{qualifier|}}}|<br />''({{{qualifier}}})''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....Charlie A. ( talk) 09:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Template:S-ttl is permanently
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categories.
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Succession Box Standardization | ||||
|
{{ editprotected}}
I request, following discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization ( "Several thoughts" and "Canadian ministry template sets"), the addition of code for five additional regent parameters, in order to increase the total number to eight and allow for the potential use of the parameters for MPs in multiple-seat constituencies.
The proposed code for the template is the following:
<includeonly>|width="40%" style="text-align: center;" rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"|'''{{{title}}}'''{{#if:{{{district|}}}|<br/><small>'''''Representative for {{{district}}}'''''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{dynasty|}}}|<br/>''{{{dynasty}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{creation|}}}|<br/>''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}|<br />{{{years}}}|}}{{#if:{{{regent1|}}}|<br/>''with {{{regent1}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years1|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years1}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent2|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent2}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years2|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years2}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent3|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent3}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years3|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years3}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent4|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent4}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years4|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years4}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent5|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent5}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years5|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years5}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent6|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent6}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years6|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years6}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent7|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent7}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years7|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years7}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{regent8|}}}|<br/>''{{{regent8}}}''|}} {{#if:{{{years8|}}}| <small>'' ({{{years8}}})''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{alongside|}}}|<br/><small>Served alongside: '''{{{alongside}}}'''</small>|}}{{#if:{{{lords|}}}|<br/><small>''Member of the [[House of Lords]]''<br/>''({{{lords}}})''</small>|}}</includeonly><noinclude> {{pp-template|small=yes}} {{documentation}} </noinclude>
The additions are actually rather simple; one only has to copy the code for a regent and their year and adjust the numbers. Waltham, The Duke of 06:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
The text for alongside doesn't really work for non-political titles, see Neville Bonner#External Links. I suggest dropping the word "Served". Bazj ( talk) 11:44, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add a parameter that puts a text where the "alongside" and "with" parameters put, but without adding any text before? I need to put "post consulatum Longini (East)", but it is impossible, if I understand correctly. -- TakenakaN ( talk) 15:42, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
It would be pretty usefull for tables like
this one to have the ability to have a cell span the whole table. Doesn't seem like a hard thing to implement (basically add something like colspan="{{{columns|1}}}"
right before rowspan="{{{rows|1}}}"
.
Headbomb {
talk /
contribs /
physics /
books} 10:15, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
A discussion has been opened up at Line of succession to the British throne regarding a new field "claim". This field would be handled exactly the same way as the "creation" field is handled. I have demonstrated its use in the artcile Prince Friso of Orange-Nassau. Martinvl ( talk) 14:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Justification
Martinvl ( talk) 18:28, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
In this template on, for example,
William Kelly Wallace, we have |years=November 1955 – November 1956
. I propose that we subdivide that parameter, so that we would have something like: |date-from=November 1955
|date-to=November 1956
(and hard-code the en-dash in the template code), so that we have more granular data to aid machine readability. Once the template is recoded, we'd run a bot to convert the existing parameters. Any thoughts? Can you help?
Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing);
Talk to Andy;
Andy's edits 13:40, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Do we want the correct format when a person succeeds themselves to a position that has in fact only changed name to include multiple rows? See for example the succession box in Mikhail Gorbachev. Circéus ( talk) 17:56, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
I've been testing a slightly altered version of the code at User:Whaleyland/Template:s-ttl to try and add two new parameters to resolve issues I've been coming across. The "Disputed" parameter will add an extra "with" line below the current 25 lines to allow the listing of a rival to the title. We may want to expand this parameter out further to a few more numbers. The style is identical to that of "with" except it says "Disputed by:".
The other parameter is to resolve a formatting error that occurs when people try to add "jure uxoris" beside a title. "Jure uxoris" means "in right of wife" in Latin and was a fairly common term used in medieval and early modern law when husbands took their wife's title. The parameter, which currently is just "uxoris" (the user must enter any plain text as the response or it will not show up), prompts "(jure uxoris" beside the title.
Here's a sample of the code:
What do you guys think? How do you think this should be improved or expanded? One thing I'd like to do is try to get it so typing "uxoris" automatically prompts the command without the need of typing "=" or anything after that. Let me know. – Whaleyland ( Talk • Contributions) 22:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
I propose adding a parameter called order
, which would allow an editor to indicate that a person was the nth holder of an office and where the creation
parameter would not be applicable. This would be displayed in front of the title. For example, for
Woodrow Wilson, one would enter:
{{s-bef|before=[[William Howard Taft]]}}
{{s-ttl|title=[[President of the United States]]|years=1913–1921|order=28th}}
{{s-aft|after=[[Warren G. Harding]]}}
The output of the title line would be: "28th
President of the United States". This is a feature that already exists in {{
Infobox officeholder}}. It would make sense to enable it here.
Ergo Sum 01:48, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
Done Ergo Sum 18:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)
Now that members of the House of Lords are elected, do we need to add a new parameter to {{ s-par}}?
I mean, if you look at Rupert Ponsonby, 7th Baron de Mauley (if it weren't for the different year), and Rupert Carington, 7th Baron Carrington, both appear to have succeeded their fathers to the seat in the House of Lords, which they didn't.
HandsomeFella ( talk) 10:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
|uk
gives Parliament of the United Kingdom, not the House of Lords.This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
several of the related templates have an "as" parameter, but s-ttl does not. I've noticed that quite a few articles kludge around this with markup that generates lint errors. Would it be possible to add a field so that this can be handled by the template? For example, Henry III, Count of Schauenburg-Holstein:
pauli133 ( talk) 21:36, 25 June 2019 (UTC)
{{#if:{{{as|}}}|<small>'''''as {{{as}}}'''''</small>}}
. –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 23:54, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
|before=
through |before10=
, after which |as=
is displayed. {{
S-ttl}}, in contrast, takes many more parameters, which you can see in that template's documentation. Take a look at the section called "Output (as table cell)" in that template's documentation, and then suggest where an "as" parameter should display (for example, "after 'years'" or "before 'Served alongside:'"). Should it be on its own line? Bold? Italic? The same size as the parameter before it or after it? –
Jonesey95 (
talk) 23:37, 12 November 2021 (UTC)This
edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
I would like to propose an additional parameter "under", similar to the current "alongside" parameter. It would be used for offices that have a direct subordinate relationship, notably Lieutenant Governors serving under Governors or Vice Presidents serving under Presidents. Additional uses could include cabinet members under a President / Prime Minister, or a Prime Minister under a monarch. I think that it would be so generally useful that I'm quite surprised it hasn't been included already.
The proposed code is:
{{#if:{{{under|}}}|<br /><small>Served under: '''{{{under}}}'''</small>|}}
This is simply the existing "alongside" code with the word "under" substituted for "alongside". I believe this is a rather straightforward, simple request that would be generally useful ... even more so than the existing "alongside" parameter, as this is a much more common relationship between offices.
2001:558:6017:107:78A6:8733:B442:2A44 (
talk) 07:16, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
I would like to suggest the addition of parameter which, if anything is entered, places a (Disputed) qualifier underneath the title. I've manually added such a tag this to Francis Wollaston (philosopher) as he tends to be listed by sources in the succession of Masters of Sidney Sussex College (e.g. [1] [2]) but with the caveat that his election was later declared void.
I suspect other editors might find the option useful in similar circumstances. Charlie A. ( talk) 21:30, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{disputed|}}}|<br />''(Disputed)''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....
...''{{{creation}}}''|}}{{#if:{{{qualifier|}}}|<br />''({{{qualifier}}})''|}}{{#if:{{{years|}}}....Charlie A. ( talk) 09:14, 16 May 2022 (UTC)