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Anyone know why the population data does not display? (even in the sample, where '2 + 43 support personnel' should show). -- Red King ( talk) 13:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
could some one get the field (parameter) "| map caption = " to work the same way that it already works in template:infobox islands? Peter Horn User talk 23:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
The docs say, "country = the country which administers or governs the island. ...". This seems to be contributing to an edit war on the Scarborough Shoal article regarding which country administers or governs it. How about modifying this template to allow something like "country = Disputed"? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I notice that, in addition to the above question of when to use or not to use the "country=" ("administrated by") parameter, there is currently no documentation about how to use or not to use the "claimed by" parameters at all. One issue to discuss would be whether, if you are using "country=", the same country should also be represented independently with a "claimed by" entry. The currently used example of the Liancourt Rocks box seems to imply so, but to me this seems rather redundant (especially if you're going to repeat all the administrative division stuff too). Doesn't "administered by" already entail that that party is also among the claimants? (Or are there any examples of islands whose sovereignty is claimed by two states but that are administered by yet a third state that doesn't actually claim sovereignty?)
Also, the current doc page appears to list "country 1", "country 2" etc. parameters that aren't actually supported by the template.
So here's my proposal for fixing the documentation:
Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
This template contravenes MOS:INFOBOXFLAG by forcing the display of flag icons within the infobox.
The guideline mentions how flag icons can "...lead to unnecessary disputes when over-used" and then specifically addresses physical geographic subjects and disputed territories:
With this guideline in mind, the template should work like most other geography infoboxes and default to 'no flag' while allowing the option to add flag icons. Currently the template forces a displayed icon if the |country=
parameter is used. The only ways to remove the icon is to remove the parameter value or the country parameter entirely, which of course would also remove the name of the country from the displayed infobox.
Anyone know why it is like this? Should it be changed? -- RacerX11 Talk to me Stalk me 20:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Nihonjoe. Template:Infobox Islands uses grey. The green colour is rather odd and makes the template stand out from the rest of the page which looks unsightly. Wikipedia is blue and grey, so I'm not sure why the template should stand out in a different colour unless there is specific reason (only example I can think of is political parties). That said, if you don't like the change and don't care for consistency with Template:Infobox Islands, then feel free to revert. Rob984 ( talk) 23:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
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or leave a message on my talk page. It's a different color because it's not the same as the regular islands infobox. It should stand out to clue-in people that it's not the same. It was made that color intentionally. Also, the color scheme of the site in general is irrelevant to the color of the infobox. There are many infoboxes which are different colors (or change colors) depending on various things. However, as a compromise, I have changed back only the top section. This leaves the majority of the sections grey, but still allows the template to draw attention to the difference between the two templates. ···
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04:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)The current instruction text in the "
Country parameters" section says that country claim parameter should excluding the administrating country, if it has already been specified with "country="
.
However, I think that instruction text is misleading because administrating does not necessarily imply claiming. There are many cases in which the administrator does not claim territorial sovereignty. For example, lease, condominium, concession, mandate, and military occupation (in some cases).
Since the aforementioned instruction text incorrectly links administrating with claiming, I propose removing that text. -- Matt Smith ( talk) 14:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Calling Kanguole, who cited the aforementioned instruction text and removed the administrating country from the "Claimed by" section in an article, in case he has different opinions on this proposal. -- Matt Smith ( talk) 15:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
|country=
says Use this parameter only if one of the contenders is known to exert exclusive factual control on the ground. In any case, putting all the details of the controlling claimant twice is both data redundancy and a waste of screen space. Kanguole 15:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Just seems like a maintenance burden and cause of inconsistency. Crimea uses the standard islands infobox (which is also used for peninsulas) plainly because the header doesn't show "disputed island" (which it isn't). But it mostly it is able to do the same thing anyway. You could add the "claimed by" and "administered by" sections very easily. And also an option to show the "Disputed x" header. Rob984 ( talk) 15:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
The documentation implies that "country admin divisions 3" should work but it does not. See Show Preview of Walker Shoal
map_custom=yes is not working. See Banc du Geyser and Chagos Archipelago
Ahwiv ( talk) 11:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I reverted this move as it makes the template title much longer. We should keep it as short as possible. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)
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Archive 1 |
Anyone know why the population data does not display? (even in the sample, where '2 + 43 support personnel' should show). -- Red King ( talk) 13:44, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
could some one get the field (parameter) "| map caption = " to work the same way that it already works in template:infobox islands? Peter Horn User talk 23:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
The docs say, "country = the country which administers or governs the island. ...". This seems to be contributing to an edit war on the Scarborough Shoal article regarding which country administers or governs it. How about modifying this template to allow something like "country = Disputed"? Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:31, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
I notice that, in addition to the above question of when to use or not to use the "country=" ("administrated by") parameter, there is currently no documentation about how to use or not to use the "claimed by" parameters at all. One issue to discuss would be whether, if you are using "country=", the same country should also be represented independently with a "claimed by" entry. The currently used example of the Liancourt Rocks box seems to imply so, but to me this seems rather redundant (especially if you're going to repeat all the administrative division stuff too). Doesn't "administered by" already entail that that party is also among the claimants? (Or are there any examples of islands whose sovereignty is claimed by two states but that are administered by yet a third state that doesn't actually claim sovereignty?)
Also, the current doc page appears to list "country 1", "country 2" etc. parameters that aren't actually supported by the template.
So here's my proposal for fixing the documentation:
Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:23, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
This template contravenes MOS:INFOBOXFLAG by forcing the display of flag icons within the infobox.
The guideline mentions how flag icons can "...lead to unnecessary disputes when over-used" and then specifically addresses physical geographic subjects and disputed territories:
With this guideline in mind, the template should work like most other geography infoboxes and default to 'no flag' while allowing the option to add flag icons. Currently the template forces a displayed icon if the |country=
parameter is used. The only ways to remove the icon is to remove the parameter value or the country parameter entirely, which of course would also remove the name of the country from the displayed infobox.
Anyone know why it is like this? Should it be changed? -- RacerX11 Talk to me Stalk me 20:20, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Hi Nihonjoe. Template:Infobox Islands uses grey. The green colour is rather odd and makes the template stand out from the rest of the page which looks unsightly. Wikipedia is blue and grey, so I'm not sure why the template should stand out in a different colour unless there is specific reason (only example I can think of is political parties). That said, if you don't like the change and don't care for consistency with Template:Infobox Islands, then feel free to revert. Rob984 ( talk) 23:19, 10 August 2016 (UTC)
{{
ping}}
or leave a message on my talk page. It's a different color because it's not the same as the regular islands infobox. It should stand out to clue-in people that it's not the same. It was made that color intentionally. Also, the color scheme of the site in general is irrelevant to the color of the infobox. There are many infoboxes which are different colors (or change colors) depending on various things. However, as a compromise, I have changed back only the top section. This leaves the majority of the sections grey, but still allows the template to draw attention to the difference between the two templates. ···
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04:26, 11 August 2016 (UTC)The current instruction text in the "
Country parameters" section says that country claim parameter should excluding the administrating country, if it has already been specified with "country="
.
However, I think that instruction text is misleading because administrating does not necessarily imply claiming. There are many cases in which the administrator does not claim territorial sovereignty. For example, lease, condominium, concession, mandate, and military occupation (in some cases).
Since the aforementioned instruction text incorrectly links administrating with claiming, I propose removing that text. -- Matt Smith ( talk) 14:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
P.S. Calling Kanguole, who cited the aforementioned instruction text and removed the administrating country from the "Claimed by" section in an article, in case he has different opinions on this proposal. -- Matt Smith ( talk) 15:02, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
|country=
says Use this parameter only if one of the contenders is known to exert exclusive factual control on the ground. In any case, putting all the details of the controlling claimant twice is both data redundancy and a waste of screen space. Kanguole 15:48, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Just seems like a maintenance burden and cause of inconsistency. Crimea uses the standard islands infobox (which is also used for peninsulas) plainly because the header doesn't show "disputed island" (which it isn't). But it mostly it is able to do the same thing anyway. You could add the "claimed by" and "administered by" sections very easily. And also an option to show the "Disputed x" header. Rob984 ( talk) 15:33, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
The documentation implies that "country admin divisions 3" should work but it does not. See Show Preview of Walker Shoal
map_custom=yes is not working. See Banc du Geyser and Chagos Archipelago
Ahwiv ( talk) 11:14, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
I reverted this move as it makes the template title much longer. We should keep it as short as possible. ··· 日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:22, 3 August 2018 (UTC)