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Hi all. At the request of @ Pharos, I've started a Wikidata version of this template at {{ Infobox artwork/wikidata}}. The idea is that you just need to include that small bit of code in the article, and everything else will be fetched from Wikidata. If you don't want values fetching from Wikidata, then you can still define them locally and they will be displayed in preference to any values from Wikidata.
The long-term goal is that we can merge the Wikidata version into this template, so Wikidata information is available by default. However, some more development, documentation and testing work needs to happen before then to make sure that all parameters are supported and working well. In particular, the code for the dimensions is very complex at the moment, so I'm hoping we can simplify this in the new version.
Please test it, and let me know if you find any bugs! It is fine to include the Wikidata template in articles now, as we can easily migrate things over once this is more complete. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 13:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
|suppressfields=
returns an unknown parameter error so can't be used to address issues on individual articles.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 01:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)First of all, thanks for this - I love it! Now addressing some of these concerns, starting with location vs collection: this is particularly sticky and gets interpreted differently (some people feel temporary exhibition locations belong under location, but I feel that is wrong and am on the fence about long-term loans). I would say stick to collection, since that is where the accession number comes from. For multi-site collections (National collections of Sweden, etc) then location might be some castle. Maybe you can try to check for whether location is a castle? Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the code today to use {{ Wikidata location}}, which will also fetch the city/country of the artwork if appropriate (e.g. at The Tree of Knowledge (mural)). I'm not sure what to do with the logic checking code here now, though - it is useful to display the rest of the location even if P276 is the same. So for now I've changed it so that the collection is hidden if it's the same as P276 (sorry @ Jane023). I'll have a think about whether there's a better way to do this, but suggestions would be welcome! Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 21:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Would love to see all authority control numbers linked and for large museums this would also negate the need for the collection problem above, since they often have their own property with their own link. Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
We have some pretty largish problems with date fields for artworks still, so maybe including date can be an option (when you know the work is definitely dated) Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Though provenance data is really important, I think the stuff listed under ownership is not really infobox-ready. I think we still need to think about things like how to model art provenance on Wikidata. In general it would be nice to override or turn fields on/off. I feel the same way about "depicts" and even the accession number in some cases. Jane ( talk) 07:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
OK here's one that I switched out anyway because the provenance is described in the article. Useful for reference maybe? Lucretia (Rembrandt, 1664) Jane ( talk) 10:32, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
For some well-known painters, there is a "definitive" catalog, or sometimes 2 or 3 of these. Some painters have their works completely catalogued on Wikidata. Rembrandt for example has a fairly recent "definitive" catalog that is complete on Wikidata. Portrait of Catharina Hooghsaet has the catalog number in the artwork template, but if you look at Wikidata, the item is in several other catalogs too. We may need a property "preferred artist catalog" or something to handle this, but maybe a work around is to include "/catalog=Q nr." ? Jane ( talk) 06:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Can anyone suggest some difficult cases to test the wikidata version against? The more we can test this now, the fewer problems we'll have when we merge this in to the main version (which I'm hoping we can do reasonably soon). Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 00:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Mike Peel: good job Mike! For paintings we record things that change over time on Wikidata: Collection, location and owner (and other things). On Wikipedia we only want to show the current collection, location and owner. Sometimes these are the same, but sometimes a painting is in multiple collections (for example a long term loan) or even owned by multiple organizations, for example Portrait of Oopjen Coppit. Location is either Rijksmuseum or Louvre, it's in both collections and it's owned by France and the Netherlands. The list of loans in the Rijksmuseum contains more fun edge cases like these. If some fields are the same (for example location==collections==owner), it doesn't make sense to show it multiple times so you'll need a decision tree here. Multichill ( talk) 10:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
We are likely to get into conflicts with community members when replacing classic infoboxes with this template, so it may help to share some experiences. One I ran into recently was the argument that " it's never an improvement to use [Wikidata-generated infoboxes] to replace a manually written infobox". [2] It may help to make an FAQ to explain to folks why this new infobox method has its benefits. -- Fuzheado | Talk 08:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Citations don't seem to work properly when they're something other than reference URLs. See for example this version - on Wikidata there is a link to the full bibliographic details of the source, but here you can't really tell what the source is. Nikkimaria ( talk) 01:41, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
A number of artwork articles are not about an individual artwork, but about a series or other group of artworks. A good example is Sunflowers (Van Gogh series). A point of failure in this case is multiple images values, which breaks the infobox. Perhaps also if the article is about a series, one could use series (P179) to list the constituent works, or if something is a constituent work, to list the "mother" series.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I"d suggest a field for the basic type of artwork, e.g. painting, sculpture, drawing, print, photograph, vase, etc, where applicable. This would be based on instance of (P31), although I think it might be good to abstract to a higher level and check (for example) whether something is in a subclass of sculpture.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
A number of articles that use the Wikidata version of the template appear in Special:WhatLinksHere/Anonymous, even if (in some cases) the work in question is not anonymous and the word "anonymous" doesn't appear anywhere in the article or in the associated Wikidata entry (for example, Time Suspended in Space (South Africa). There are also some anonymous works in the list, but these should not be linking to the Anonymous disambiguation page. Can anyone identify the cause of this anomaly? -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Frietjes: In principle there are around 20,000, based on looking for paintings with anonymous creators - try running this at http://query.wikidata.org/
SELECT ?painting ?paintingLabel WHERE { SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } ?painting wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213. ?painting wdt:P170 wd:Q4233718. }
Of course, not all of those have articles yet. ;-) Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 15:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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(not sure it is the proper way to do it, but I feel we need one easy-to-read list.)
Not directly importable, but in case parts of it can be reused fr:Module:Matériau uses P518 qualifiers to render strings like "oil on canvas" or "timber frame, steel and glass cladding". -- Zolo ( talk) 12:15, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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add 'collection' to the parameters allowed in the 'Check for unknown parameters' section. Near the end
change 'city | completion_date' to ' city | collection | completion_date' Ahwiv ( talk) 19:13, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Some objections raised to the Wikidata implementation at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts#Migrating art infoboxes to wikidata:
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Many articles have had their infoboxes supplanted by links to Wikidata. This is a very ill-considered move. They look terrible (with little symbols and and unfamiliar links), subject their content to the vagaries and preferences of the individual editors of another project with its own arcane purposes, and have not been approved or even discussed here, which should have been done before any such wholesale changes were started. They should be reverted. Kablammo ( talk) 02:58, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Cross-posting my reply, to pick up discussion here: ( The Hay Wain version with Wikidata infobox was under discussion) I agree that the pencil icons and repeated footnotes are excessive ("[edit on Wikidata]" is sufficient, as would be a separate section for group footnotes, as done in other infoboxes) but that can easily be discussed on the infobox's talk page. As for letting Wikidata handle the infobox parameters, I say good riddance—a massive waste of time in my watchlist. czar 17:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Just to note that if "oil paint" and "canvas" are both used in the material values on Wikidata, they should now be automatically replaced with Oil on canvas. Please let me know if you spot any issues with this. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 20:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
medium: Material used by the artist or designer to create the work of art. Examples: "Oil on canvas", "Bronze sculpture", "Ceramic tile"
Hi! Is it a good idea to use Wikidata aliases for this? Isn't it better to use d:Property:P1476? It seems that lots of items have this property. -- Papuass ( talk) 15:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Looking at The Horse Fair (which is our Metropolitan Museum of Art Weekly Challenge!), I notice that two identical infobox-generated citations are given, with the only difference being the "retrieved" date. Maybe we could find a way to combine these into one reference on Wikipedia, and just list the different dates separated by commas, after the reference url.-- Pharos ( talk) 18:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Suppressing the secondary title apparently also suppresses the title, as seen in this is; can this be fixed? It should be possible to suppress one without affecting the other. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
{{#invoke:WikidataIB|checkBlacklist|name=title|suppressfields=other_title_1}}
triggers the blacklist when it shouldn't. @
RexxS: is there a way of fixing the blacklist code here, or should we change to using something other than "other_title_1" here? Thanks.
Mike Peel (
talk) 21:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
|name=fulltitle
when invoking WikidataIB in the infobox design (without changing the actual parameter name of title
in all other places); and then you could use |suppressfields=fulltitle
in an article. You'd just have to include a note to that effect in the infobox documentation. If you can think of a better scheme, I'd be happy to consider how to implement it (although I won't be implementing any more changes to
Module:WikidataIB while it remains unsynchronised from the development work). --
RexxS (
talk) 22:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)|suppressfield=title
that could be changed to |suppressfields=fulltitle
if that would help. Thanks.
Mike Peel (
talk) 05:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Adam and Eve (Dürer) is behaving strangely (when I insert WD template). Also suppress is not working for website URL. Tried fixing, but did not succeed. - Adam- Papuass ( talk) 21:20, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Better markup would be:
| website=
{{Plainlist|
* [https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/online-gallery/on-line-gallery/obra/adam/ Adam
* [https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/online-gallery/on-line-gallery/obra/eve/ Eve
}}
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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Add parameter: italic other_title_1 = no
Currently we have: italic title=no
Thanks! –
Lionel(
talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC) –
Lionel(
talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
As discussed at Talk:Donald Trump baby balloon#Matt Bonner link in infobox, the automatic linking of the artist name caused a link to the wrong article. This needs to be disabled. Can someone please attend to that, and do we then need a bot to add a standard wiki-link link to affected pages? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Mike Peel: Portrait of an Unknown Gentleman now shows "anonymous" in the Wikidata bases infobox. Would be nice to have some logic to have some logic to extract the qualifier from d:Q3937668 and show "workshop of Hans Holbein" in the infobox. Multichill ( talk) 10:59, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria has been changing inclusions of {{ Infobox artwork/wikidata}} to only show information from Wikidata that has a reference. To be honest, I can't disagree with this - if we can't reference the information that we're showing, then we shouldn't be showing it. So I've changed the default here to onlysourced=yes. This will remove information from infoboxes - please add references to continue showing this information. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 23:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Frietjes, Ahecht, and Fram: (Relatively) recent editors of this template: The title of the template is italicized, and I'm afraid that I do not have the requisite permission to fix it, nor the knowledge of the markup code to do so if I did. Would someone please be so kind as to fix this? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 03:38, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
{{DISPLAYTITLE:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}
at the bottom of the page, which gives a warning since the displaytitle is being changed multiple times. I suppressed the warning by wrapping it in a parserfunction.
Frietjes (
talk) 13:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Would it be possible to create a tracking category called Category:Infobox artwork without image? An image is obviously vital for visual art, and it's almost always possible to upload one (if it isn't free, it almost invariably meets WP:NFC). For more information about infobox tracking categories, see Category:Infoboxes needing cleanup – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 10:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
"An image is obviously vital for visual art"I couldn't agree with you more. Sounds like a good idea to me. Bus stop ( talk) 19:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
If there are two images (P180) for an artwork, this template smashes the two image file names together and it appears as a non-working redlink in the infobox. If you set one image to "preferred" rank above the other(s) then it works out OK. Example is The Oxbow and the diff at Wikidata that made it work [3]. -- Fuzheado | Talk 20:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Is this template Maplink-compliant? See Talk:Discovery_Bridge_(Columbus,_Ohio) for context. @ Ɱ: FYI! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please add "mapframe-marker" to the "#invoke:Check for unknown parameters" section of the template, so that editors do not receive "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox artwork with unknown parameter "mapframe-marker" (this message is shown only in preview)." when editing with this template. Phuzion ( talk) 00:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I want to say about artworks are mobiles. Which parameter? Type seems perfect, but was deprecated. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This was previously discussed in 2014 and although most editors agreed, nothing's been done about it. It is inappropriate to autolink to the artist. It isn't hard to enter a name in this field and then link it. It is always inappropriate for a name to link to a disambiguation page. @ Frietjes: could you please nuke this function? Schwede 66 23:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Schwede 66 00:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)As per
[[Template talk:Infobox artwork|this discussion]]
, auto-linking for this field will be turned off shortly and this edit is in preparation. Please confirm that the correct article has been targeted and if not, please change the link or unlink the name if the target article does not exist.
Thank you! I'm glad to see autolinking removed. I've always hated this feature, and often had to go back and add "nowiki" to prevent linking to the wrong person. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Could support for the pushpin_map
parameter be added to
Template:Infobox artwork, similar to that which already exists for
Template:Infobox museum? For an example of its use, see the infobox at
Museum of Science, Boston.
This feature would be very useful for indicating the geographical location of large public artworks and sculptural installations, such as the Tarot Garden, Cloud Gate, Sean Collier Memorial, Fearless Girl, Kendall Band, and The Sphere.
Or is the infobox map format used in Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago) preferable for some reason? Are there any tutorials or Wikipedia editorial guidelines for using one map format or another within infoboxes? Reify-tech ( talk) 22:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
As the header says, shall we add an attribute to the infobox for "former location" or "former coordinates"? This would be useful for the many confederate statues etc that have been moved/removed recently. In research on one of the Columbus statues at a recent AfD, I discovered that it had actually been moved a couple of times, so this is an attribute that would possibly apply to many public artworks. Consider something like Richard Serra's Tilted Arc, perhaps one of the most famous public artworks ever removed.
I guess this is a proposal, so please indicate if you
ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone close this now, or are there any more who wish to comment? ɱ (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to give an article about a photographic artwork the coordinates of where that photo was taken? (eg. Station Squabble, which appears to have the coordinates of Charing Cross tube station.) The documentation says the coordinate field is "only for the exact coordinates (when known) of the artwork's own location", but that could charitably be read either way. -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 15:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm writing a page for an artwork in the United States ( Draft:Archimedean Excogitation), so I'd like to list the imperial dimensions first. I'm not sure if there's any way to do this, though, and the code is more than a little scary, so I don't want to mess with it. Help? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 09:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
|dimensions=
with the same {{
convert}} as the prose (easier to keep consistent with cut-and-paste from the prose).
Frietjes (
talk) 16:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
for each unit-system in {metric, imperial} do for each dimension in {height, width, length} do if unit-system dimension provided, then display that dimension (handling special ftin case) else if opposite unit-system is numeric, then display conversion (handling special ftin case) else if opposite unit-system dimension present, then show an error placeholder else display nothing (this dimension isn't present) -- if this dimension and any next dimension is present, then add a spaced times symbol display the unit for the unit-system handle diameter similarly to single-dimension logic of HWL if "dimensions" param is present, then display its content if "dimensions_ref" param is present, then display its content
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Hi all. At the request of @ Pharos, I've started a Wikidata version of this template at {{ Infobox artwork/wikidata}}. The idea is that you just need to include that small bit of code in the article, and everything else will be fetched from Wikidata. If you don't want values fetching from Wikidata, then you can still define them locally and they will be displayed in preference to any values from Wikidata.
The long-term goal is that we can merge the Wikidata version into this template, so Wikidata information is available by default. However, some more development, documentation and testing work needs to happen before then to make sure that all parameters are supported and working well. In particular, the code for the dimensions is very complex at the moment, so I'm hoping we can simplify this in the new version.
Please test it, and let me know if you find any bugs! It is fine to include the Wikidata template in articles now, as we can easily migrate things over once this is more complete. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 13:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
|suppressfields=
returns an unknown parameter error so can't be used to address issues on individual articles.
Nikkimaria (
talk) 01:47, 29 June 2017 (UTC)First of all, thanks for this - I love it! Now addressing some of these concerns, starting with location vs collection: this is particularly sticky and gets interpreted differently (some people feel temporary exhibition locations belong under location, but I feel that is wrong and am on the fence about long-term loans). I would say stick to collection, since that is where the accession number comes from. For multi-site collections (National collections of Sweden, etc) then location might be some castle. Maybe you can try to check for whether location is a castle? Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
I've changed the code today to use {{ Wikidata location}}, which will also fetch the city/country of the artwork if appropriate (e.g. at The Tree of Knowledge (mural)). I'm not sure what to do with the logic checking code here now, though - it is useful to display the rest of the location even if P276 is the same. So for now I've changed it so that the collection is hidden if it's the same as P276 (sorry @ Jane023). I'll have a think about whether there's a better way to do this, but suggestions would be welcome! Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 21:11, 20 July 2017 (UTC)
Would love to see all authority control numbers linked and for large museums this would also negate the need for the collection problem above, since they often have their own property with their own link. Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
We have some pretty largish problems with date fields for artworks still, so maybe including date can be an option (when you know the work is definitely dated) Jane ( talk) 06:21, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
Though provenance data is really important, I think the stuff listed under ownership is not really infobox-ready. I think we still need to think about things like how to model art provenance on Wikidata. In general it would be nice to override or turn fields on/off. I feel the same way about "depicts" and even the accession number in some cases. Jane ( talk) 07:09, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
OK here's one that I switched out anyway because the provenance is described in the article. Useful for reference maybe? Lucretia (Rembrandt, 1664) Jane ( talk) 10:32, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
For some well-known painters, there is a "definitive" catalog, or sometimes 2 or 3 of these. Some painters have their works completely catalogued on Wikidata. Rembrandt for example has a fairly recent "definitive" catalog that is complete on Wikidata. Portrait of Catharina Hooghsaet has the catalog number in the artwork template, but if you look at Wikidata, the item is in several other catalogs too. We may need a property "preferred artist catalog" or something to handle this, but maybe a work around is to include "/catalog=Q nr." ? Jane ( talk) 06:30, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Can anyone suggest some difficult cases to test the wikidata version against? The more we can test this now, the fewer problems we'll have when we merge this in to the main version (which I'm hoping we can do reasonably soon). Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 00:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
@ Mike Peel: good job Mike! For paintings we record things that change over time on Wikidata: Collection, location and owner (and other things). On Wikipedia we only want to show the current collection, location and owner. Sometimes these are the same, but sometimes a painting is in multiple collections (for example a long term loan) or even owned by multiple organizations, for example Portrait of Oopjen Coppit. Location is either Rijksmuseum or Louvre, it's in both collections and it's owned by France and the Netherlands. The list of loans in the Rijksmuseum contains more fun edge cases like these. If some fields are the same (for example location==collections==owner), it doesn't make sense to show it multiple times so you'll need a decision tree here. Multichill ( talk) 10:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
We are likely to get into conflicts with community members when replacing classic infoboxes with this template, so it may help to share some experiences. One I ran into recently was the argument that " it's never an improvement to use [Wikidata-generated infoboxes] to replace a manually written infobox". [2] It may help to make an FAQ to explain to folks why this new infobox method has its benefits. -- Fuzheado | Talk 08:02, 1 July 2017 (UTC)
Citations don't seem to work properly when they're something other than reference URLs. See for example this version - on Wikidata there is a link to the full bibliographic details of the source, but here you can't really tell what the source is. Nikkimaria ( talk) 01:41, 7 July 2017 (UTC)
A number of artwork articles are not about an individual artwork, but about a series or other group of artworks. A good example is Sunflowers (Van Gogh series). A point of failure in this case is multiple images values, which breaks the infobox. Perhaps also if the article is about a series, one could use series (P179) to list the constituent works, or if something is a constituent work, to list the "mother" series.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:45, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I"d suggest a field for the basic type of artwork, e.g. painting, sculpture, drawing, print, photograph, vase, etc, where applicable. This would be based on instance of (P31), although I think it might be good to abstract to a higher level and check (for example) whether something is in a subclass of sculpture.-- Pharos ( talk) 19:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
A number of articles that use the Wikidata version of the template appear in Special:WhatLinksHere/Anonymous, even if (in some cases) the work in question is not anonymous and the word "anonymous" doesn't appear anywhere in the article or in the associated Wikidata entry (for example, Time Suspended in Space (South Africa). There are also some anonymous works in the list, but these should not be linking to the Anonymous disambiguation page. Can anyone identify the cause of this anomaly? -- R'n'B ( call me Russ) 14:45, 18 August 2017 (UTC)
@ Frietjes: In principle there are around 20,000, based on looking for paintings with anonymous creators - try running this at http://query.wikidata.org/
SELECT ?painting ?paintingLabel WHERE { SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". } ?painting wdt:P31 wd:Q3305213. ?painting wdt:P170 wd:Q4233718. }
Of course, not all of those have articles yet. ;-) Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 15:54, 19 August 2017 (UTC)
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(not sure it is the proper way to do it, but I feel we need one easy-to-read list.)
Not directly importable, but in case parts of it can be reused fr:Module:Matériau uses P518 qualifiers to render strings like "oil on canvas" or "timber frame, steel and glass cladding". -- Zolo ( talk) 12:15, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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add 'collection' to the parameters allowed in the 'Check for unknown parameters' section. Near the end
change 'city | completion_date' to ' city | collection | completion_date' Ahwiv ( talk) 19:13, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
Some objections raised to the Wikidata implementation at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arts#Migrating art infoboxes to wikidata:
Extended content
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Many articles have had their infoboxes supplanted by links to Wikidata. This is a very ill-considered move. They look terrible (with little symbols and and unfamiliar links), subject their content to the vagaries and preferences of the individual editors of another project with its own arcane purposes, and have not been approved or even discussed here, which should have been done before any such wholesale changes were started. They should be reverted. Kablammo ( talk) 02:58, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
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Cross-posting my reply, to pick up discussion here: ( The Hay Wain version with Wikidata infobox was under discussion) I agree that the pencil icons and repeated footnotes are excessive ("[edit on Wikidata]" is sufficient, as would be a separate section for group footnotes, as done in other infoboxes) but that can easily be discussed on the infobox's talk page. As for letting Wikidata handle the infobox parameters, I say good riddance—a massive waste of time in my watchlist. czar 17:37, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
Just to note that if "oil paint" and "canvas" are both used in the material values on Wikidata, they should now be automatically replaced with Oil on canvas. Please let me know if you spot any issues with this. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 20:28, 8 September 2017 (UTC)
medium: Material used by the artist or designer to create the work of art. Examples: "Oil on canvas", "Bronze sculpture", "Ceramic tile"
Hi! Is it a good idea to use Wikidata aliases for this? Isn't it better to use d:Property:P1476? It seems that lots of items have this property. -- Papuass ( talk) 15:06, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Looking at The Horse Fair (which is our Metropolitan Museum of Art Weekly Challenge!), I notice that two identical infobox-generated citations are given, with the only difference being the "retrieved" date. Maybe we could find a way to combine these into one reference on Wikipedia, and just list the different dates separated by commas, after the reference url.-- Pharos ( talk) 18:17, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Suppressing the secondary title apparently also suppresses the title, as seen in this is; can this be fixed? It should be possible to suppress one without affecting the other. Nikkimaria ( talk) 18:53, 2 November 2017 (UTC)
{{#invoke:WikidataIB|checkBlacklist|name=title|suppressfields=other_title_1}}
triggers the blacklist when it shouldn't. @
RexxS: is there a way of fixing the blacklist code here, or should we change to using something other than "other_title_1" here? Thanks.
Mike Peel (
talk) 21:36, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
|name=fulltitle
when invoking WikidataIB in the infobox design (without changing the actual parameter name of title
in all other places); and then you could use |suppressfields=fulltitle
in an article. You'd just have to include a note to that effect in the infobox documentation. If you can think of a better scheme, I'd be happy to consider how to implement it (although I won't be implementing any more changes to
Module:WikidataIB while it remains unsynchronised from the development work). --
RexxS (
talk) 22:03, 3 November 2017 (UTC)|suppressfield=title
that could be changed to |suppressfields=fulltitle
if that would help. Thanks.
Mike Peel (
talk) 05:35, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Adam and Eve (Dürer) is behaving strangely (when I insert WD template). Also suppress is not working for website URL. Tried fixing, but did not succeed. - Adam- Papuass ( talk) 21:20, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Better markup would be:
| website=
{{Plainlist|
* [https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/online-gallery/on-line-gallery/obra/adam/ Adam
* [https://www.museodelprado.es/en/the-collection/online-gallery/on-line-gallery/obra/eve/ Eve
}}
-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
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Add parameter: italic other_title_1 = no
Currently we have: italic title=no
Thanks! –
Lionel(
talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC) –
Lionel(
talk) 09:35, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
As discussed at Talk:Donald Trump baby balloon#Matt Bonner link in infobox, the automatic linking of the artist name caused a link to the wrong article. This needs to be disabled. Can someone please attend to that, and do we then need a bot to add a standard wiki-link link to affected pages? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:13, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
@ Mike Peel: Portrait of an Unknown Gentleman now shows "anonymous" in the Wikidata bases infobox. Would be nice to have some logic to have some logic to extract the qualifier from d:Q3937668 and show "workshop of Hans Holbein" in the infobox. Multichill ( talk) 10:59, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Nikkimaria has been changing inclusions of {{ Infobox artwork/wikidata}} to only show information from Wikidata that has a reference. To be honest, I can't disagree with this - if we can't reference the information that we're showing, then we shouldn't be showing it. So I've changed the default here to onlysourced=yes. This will remove information from infoboxes - please add references to continue showing this information. Thanks. Mike Peel ( talk) 23:09, 7 December 2017 (UTC)
@ Frietjes, Ahecht, and Fram: (Relatively) recent editors of this template: The title of the template is italicized, and I'm afraid that I do not have the requisite permission to fix it, nor the knowledge of the markup code to do so if I did. Would someone please be so kind as to fix this? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 03:38, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
{{DISPLAYTITLE:{{FULLPAGENAME}}}}
at the bottom of the page, which gives a warning since the displaytitle is being changed multiple times. I suppressed the warning by wrapping it in a parserfunction.
Frietjes (
talk) 13:35, 12 March 2019 (UTC)Would it be possible to create a tracking category called Category:Infobox artwork without image? An image is obviously vital for visual art, and it's almost always possible to upload one (if it isn't free, it almost invariably meets WP:NFC). For more information about infobox tracking categories, see Category:Infoboxes needing cleanup – Finnusertop ( talk ⋅ contribs) 10:28, 19 August 2019 (UTC)
"An image is obviously vital for visual art"I couldn't agree with you more. Sounds like a good idea to me. Bus stop ( talk) 19:58, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
If there are two images (P180) for an artwork, this template smashes the two image file names together and it appears as a non-working redlink in the infobox. If you set one image to "preferred" rank above the other(s) then it works out OK. Example is The Oxbow and the diff at Wikidata that made it work [3]. -- Fuzheado | Talk 20:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
Is this template Maplink-compliant? See Talk:Discovery_Bridge_(Columbus,_Ohio) for context. @ Ɱ: FYI! --- Another Believer ( Talk) 21:25, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
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Please add "mapframe-marker" to the "#invoke:Check for unknown parameters" section of the template, so that editors do not receive "Warning: Page using Template:Infobox artwork with unknown parameter "mapframe-marker" (this message is shown only in preview)." when editing with this template. Phuzion ( talk) 00:05, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
I want to say about artworks are mobiles. Which parameter? Type seems perfect, but was deprecated. -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:47, 6 June 2020 (UTC)
This was previously discussed in 2014 and although most editors agreed, nothing's been done about it. It is inappropriate to autolink to the artist. It isn't hard to enter a name in this field and then link it. It is always inappropriate for a name to link to a disambiguation page. @ Frietjes: could you please nuke this function? Schwede 66 23:55, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
Schwede 66 00:09, 19 June 2020 (UTC)As per
[[Template talk:Infobox artwork|this discussion]]
, auto-linking for this field will be turned off shortly and this edit is in preparation. Please confirm that the correct article has been targeted and if not, please change the link or unlink the name if the target article does not exist.
Thank you! I'm glad to see autolinking removed. I've always hated this feature, and often had to go back and add "nowiki" to prevent linking to the wrong person. --- Another Believer ( Talk) 14:29, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
Could support for the pushpin_map
parameter be added to
Template:Infobox artwork, similar to that which already exists for
Template:Infobox museum? For an example of its use, see the infobox at
Museum of Science, Boston.
This feature would be very useful for indicating the geographical location of large public artworks and sculptural installations, such as the Tarot Garden, Cloud Gate, Sean Collier Memorial, Fearless Girl, Kendall Band, and The Sphere.
Or is the infobox map format used in Museum of Science and Industry (Chicago) preferable for some reason? Are there any tutorials or Wikipedia editorial guidelines for using one map format or another within infoboxes? Reify-tech ( talk) 22:44, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
As the header says, shall we add an attribute to the infobox for "former location" or "former coordinates"? This would be useful for the many confederate statues etc that have been moved/removed recently. In research on one of the Columbus statues at a recent AfD, I discovered that it had actually been moved a couple of times, so this is an attribute that would possibly apply to many public artworks. Consider something like Richard Serra's Tilted Arc, perhaps one of the most famous public artworks ever removed.
I guess this is a proposal, so please indicate if you
ThatMontrealIP ( talk) 01:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
Can anyone close this now, or are there any more who wish to comment? ɱ (talk) 03:37, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
Is it appropriate to give an article about a photographic artwork the coordinates of where that photo was taken? (eg. Station Squabble, which appears to have the coordinates of Charing Cross tube station.) The documentation says the coordinate field is "only for the exact coordinates (when known) of the artwork's own location", but that could charitably be read either way. -- Lord Belbury ( talk) 15:41, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
I'm writing a page for an artwork in the United States ( Draft:Archimedean Excogitation), so I'd like to list the imperial dimensions first. I'm not sure if there's any way to do this, though, and the code is more than a little scary, so I don't want to mess with it. Help? {{u| Sdkb}} talk 09:38, 5 March 2021 (UTC)
|dimensions=
with the same {{
convert}} as the prose (easier to keep consistent with cut-and-paste from the prose).
Frietjes (
talk) 16:00, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
for each unit-system in {metric, imperial} do for each dimension in {height, width, length} do if unit-system dimension provided, then display that dimension (handling special ftin case) else if opposite unit-system is numeric, then display conversion (handling special ftin case) else if opposite unit-system dimension present, then show an error placeholder else display nothing (this dimension isn't present) -- if this dimension and any next dimension is present, then add a spaced times symbol display the unit for the unit-system handle diameter similarly to single-dimension logic of HWL if "dimensions" param is present, then display its content if "dimensions_ref" param is present, then display its content