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I find it very ironic that the killing that inspired the creation of the word genocide is not even listed - Simele Massacre— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaldean ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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In the template, there are (by my count) seven hyphens in date ranges, which should be changed to en dashes. Would you please be so kind as to make these corrections? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC) DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Please add Darfur genocide, and why on earth is this template protected? Darkness Shines ( talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Darkness Shines ( talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Polish Operation of the NKVD (1937–38) Katyn massacre, 1940 Deportation of the Crimean Tatars, 1944 Deportation of the Chechens and Ingush, 1944–48
These are not gencodes, why were they added? Darkness Shines ( talk) 08:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Lebensraum and Nazi genocide of Slavs, 1939-45 Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles, 1939–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet Civilians, 1941–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet POWs, 1941–45
None of these are genocides either. Darkness Shines ( talk) 08:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
It is an organized effort to extinguish a people and so deserves to be mentioned on the template. 67.80.164.161 ( talk) 23:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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Please, remove the contents related
Manifest Destiny,
Indian Removal,
1830s,
California Genocide,
1848–1873,
Tierra del Fuego indians massacre,
1890s–1900s and the
European colonization of the Americas of the |content2 =
because Wikipedia is ideological neutral and its content must be ideologically neutral, in addition to the fact that the massacres of American Indians occurred in the 19th century are not recognized as genocides in a neutral and official sphere but only in an ideological sphere, if it has to recognize the decimation of Indians as genocide, why they do not recognize the decimation of
Great Andamaneses as genocide, in
2010 there were only 52
Great Andamaneses left, while there were still many
Native Americans left in the American continent in
2010 and regarding the removal of the title of the content of the part concerning the Genocide of the indigenous peoples is not only for the reason of a neutral encyclopedia and also because the reported genocides happened in Europe and Asia between
1750 and
1923 and has no relation with the slaughter of Indians of the Americas and did not take place between
1492 and
1700.
186.204.9.214 ( talk) 19:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Please change "Final Solution" to "Final Solution regarding European Jews" because that will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset; and please change "Porajmos" to "Porajmos against Romani" because this will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset. If articles within Wikipedia, itself, are considered reliable sources, then I cite the text in the body of the main entry in the "Genocide" entry. If this is not acceptable, I don't know where to begin because there are so many relevant sources -- so I would appreciate your editor pick one, please. Note: this side bar appears on other pages (pages other than "Genocide") in Wikipedia, so I am requesting that the master be changed. Thank you. AlpFund ( talk) 07:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Why is it so large? - Devlet Geray ( talk) 19:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
should the persecution of Hazaras from 1888-1893 be included in this list?
In regards to the contents in diff, most scholars do not see Soviet repressions as meeting the UN definition of Genocide (many of them do meet the definition of ethnic cleansing or mass killing). Some items on the subsection have no acceptance and others very little acceptance. The sole exception on the list is Holodomor which has wider but still quite contested - but we already link to Holodomor genocide question at the top. By placing these items in the template, we are suggesting they are genocide while most scholarship does not see it as such. Icewhiz ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Crimes are not genocide. Genocidal crimes are not genocide either. I see no sense in this sort of POV pushing. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 19:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Not all the incidents in the template are genocide according to majority view. For example Khojaly massacre is only occasionally referred to as genocide, and our article on Third Punic War does not call it "genocide" in the text, failing WP:V. Shouldn't this template be purged of similar entries, especially those which do not have "genocide" in the title? I think that in such cases we are breaching WP:V and NPOV. b uidh e 03:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Here are some of the entries that should be removed:
Most of the rest looks OK. b uidh e 07:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Template talk:Genocide topics which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't categorize the Dzungar and Circassian genocides in the same category as the California genocide. The genocides in the Americas should be in their own category. VR talk 22:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
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I find it very ironic that the killing that inspired the creation of the word genocide is not even listed - Simele Massacre— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chaldean ( talk • contribs) 07:09, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
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In the template, there are (by my count) seven hyphens in date ranges, which should be changed to en dashes. Would you please be so kind as to make these corrections? — DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC) DocWatson42 ( talk) 06:17, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
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Please add Darfur genocide, and why on earth is this template protected? Darkness Shines ( talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC) Darkness Shines ( talk) 03:54, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Polish Operation of the NKVD (1937–38) Katyn massacre, 1940 Deportation of the Crimean Tatars, 1944 Deportation of the Chechens and Ingush, 1944–48
These are not gencodes, why were they added? Darkness Shines ( talk) 08:42, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Lebensraum and Nazi genocide of Slavs, 1939-45 Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles, 1939–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet Civilians, 1941–45 Nazi crimes against Soviet POWs, 1941–45
None of these are genocides either. Darkness Shines ( talk) 08:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
It is an organized effort to extinguish a people and so deserves to be mentioned on the template. 67.80.164.161 ( talk) 23:37, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
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Please, remove the contents related
Manifest Destiny,
Indian Removal,
1830s,
California Genocide,
1848–1873,
Tierra del Fuego indians massacre,
1890s–1900s and the
European colonization of the Americas of the |content2 =
because Wikipedia is ideological neutral and its content must be ideologically neutral, in addition to the fact that the massacres of American Indians occurred in the 19th century are not recognized as genocides in a neutral and official sphere but only in an ideological sphere, if it has to recognize the decimation of Indians as genocide, why they do not recognize the decimation of
Great Andamaneses as genocide, in
2010 there were only 52
Great Andamaneses left, while there were still many
Native Americans left in the American continent in
2010 and regarding the removal of the title of the content of the part concerning the Genocide of the indigenous peoples is not only for the reason of a neutral encyclopedia and also because the reported genocides happened in Europe and Asia between
1750 and
1923 and has no relation with the slaughter of Indians of the Americas and did not take place between
1492 and
1700.
186.204.9.214 ( talk) 19:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
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Please change "Final Solution" to "Final Solution regarding European Jews" because that will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset; and please change "Porajmos" to "Porajmos against Romani" because this will make it consistent with the other entries in this subset. If articles within Wikipedia, itself, are considered reliable sources, then I cite the text in the body of the main entry in the "Genocide" entry. If this is not acceptable, I don't know where to begin because there are so many relevant sources -- so I would appreciate your editor pick one, please. Note: this side bar appears on other pages (pages other than "Genocide") in Wikipedia, so I am requesting that the master be changed. Thank you. AlpFund ( talk) 07:48, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
Why is it so large? - Devlet Geray ( talk) 19:19, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
should the persecution of Hazaras from 1888-1893 be included in this list?
In regards to the contents in diff, most scholars do not see Soviet repressions as meeting the UN definition of Genocide (many of them do meet the definition of ethnic cleansing or mass killing). Some items on the subsection have no acceptance and others very little acceptance. The sole exception on the list is Holodomor which has wider but still quite contested - but we already link to Holodomor genocide question at the top. By placing these items in the template, we are suggesting they are genocide while most scholarship does not see it as such. Icewhiz ( talk) 13:16, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
Crimes are not genocide. Genocidal crimes are not genocide either. I see no sense in this sort of POV pushing. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 19:13, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
Not all the incidents in the template are genocide according to majority view. For example Khojaly massacre is only occasionally referred to as genocide, and our article on Third Punic War does not call it "genocide" in the text, failing WP:V. Shouldn't this template be purged of similar entries, especially those which do not have "genocide" in the title? I think that in such cases we are breaching WP:V and NPOV. b uidh e 03:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Here are some of the entries that should be removed:
Most of the rest looks OK. b uidh e 07:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Template talk:Genocide topics which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 21:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't categorize the Dzungar and Circassian genocides in the same category as the California genocide. The genocides in the Americas should be in their own category. VR talk 22:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)