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What the heck happened to this once-functional template today? It used to be succinct and useful. Now it is full of a bewildering array of options, some of which don't convey anything useful (what does "a9" mean?), and spits out 'you must add "+" between words for phrase search', which might be useful as part of the template documentation, but is just gibberish as part of the output. Reverting. This template is newly but increasingly used in AfD (it's a "hit", but please be gentle with it), and in a number of biographical stubs' talk pages. Please do not alter it so radically without discussion. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Very strongly suggest removing the bullet. I noticed that the "Comment" has already been removed. This template should be usable inline, like {{ User}} and a zillion others. It would be much more versatile that way. As it stands as of this writing, it is only useful if put on a line by itself, which is a bit limiting. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think this template should not be used on stub pages. It suggests that if your free encyclopedia has run out of useful content, Google will somehow provide something better. It is clearly intended to help editors, not readers. The only place therefore where I could imagine it being useful is on talk pages. JFW | T@lk 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I added a boatload of stuff for up to 4 additional parameters, which can include quoted search terms and negatives (and both in same value). Tested it a bunch in my sandbox, and it appears to work exactly as intended. Also improved the documentation, and also made the display show precisely what would be the manually-entered Google search terms (other than "-wikipedia"). — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Was unpleasantly surprised by this edit [1] which changed the template to only search for free sources by default. As mentioned above, a big purpose of this template is to make it easy to point to sources for AfD. An option to the template to make it search for only free sources is fine, but by default it should give links to searches which return all sources. cab ( talk) 00:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add FindArticles.com to the search string? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 21:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is not the San Francisco Examiner, which is a reliable source.
-- Hu12 ( talk) 22:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does the books search exclude "icon" as a publisher name? Is there some undesirable publisher named Icon Books? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed two instances today where this template has returned no results from the Google News archive search, even though there are perfectly valid hits. See Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and compare with [2] and [3]. It's important to get this right because the tiny minority of AfD participants who actually bother to look at the sources presented to them on a plate rely on the results of this template. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I note that User:Anakin101 has added this parameter to the web search. I would like to voice my support for this and also urge that it (or preferably num=100) should be added to the other searches too. I tend to avoid clicking on the links provided by this template because doing so resets my Google preferences to the silly default of only giving 10 results at a time. I know that there may be concerns about the effect on readers with slow links, but a results page with 100 links only uses about 30KB, which is well under the limit we try to keep to for articles. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I have just applied {{Findsourcesnotice}} to Talk:Beer in Scotland, and I notice that (contrary to the Template documentation) the "search" and "images" parameters are missing. Why? Thanks. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 09:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Kinda incomplete without it don't you think?-- Patton123 ( talk) 20:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the smallcaps from this as they do not look good (nor are they very readable) when enclosed in small tags. I suggest adding a |sc=y
switch that allows people to choose if they want the output in small caps. ···
日本穣
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投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe
07:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Should a link to a commercial search engine be included in templates that are placed outside the "External links" section of an article?
There is a an RFC at talk:Refimprove, on whether this should be done for that template, and by implication also a retrospective on the inclusion of such links to other article templates. -- PBS ( talk) 10:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add something to the Google searches along the lines of "-wikipedia" or "-wiki"? An old article on AfD could have thousands of Wikipedia references, mirrors, and whatnot cluttering up the results, none of which are at all helpful to someone looking for independent sources. ( The Tao of Programming drops from ~160k to ~140k links with '-wikipedia', and this filters out many of the worst & most useless top hits.) '-wiki' would be even better, since it'll catch mirrors which aren't so compliant, and since essentially no wiki is acceptable to WP:RS partisans, one doesn't lose anything regardless. -- Gwern (contribs) 17:26 23 November 2009 (GMT)
Similar to the Icon Group International, material from Books LLC has been showing up in search results. All they do is republish Wikipedia articles. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles#Books LLC. Is there a way to get these entries excluded easily and safely? The problem I foresee is that there is likely a lot of publishers what go by the name of "Somethingorother Books LLC" and may get caught in the exclusion. -- Whpq ( talk) 17:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ editrequested}} Quotes should be placed surrounding the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th search parameters as well. SharkD Talk 00:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
{{#switch:{{NAMESPACEE}}
|{{ns:0}}=<br><font size="+2" color=red>Please do not use the findsources template in articles.</font><br><br>
|#default=''Find sources:'' <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}}&num=50 "{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"{{#if:{{{2|}}}| "{{{2}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}| "{{{3}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}| "{{{4}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}| "{{{5}}}"|}}] – [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|&as_price=p1|}}&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-press+-release+-wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} news]{{·}}[http://books.google.com/books?as_brr=0&as_pub=-icon&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} books]{{·}}[http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} scholar]{{·}}[http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&as_rights=(cc_publicdomain%7ccc_attribute%7ccc_sharealike%7ccc_noncommercial%7ccc_nonderived)&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} images]</span>}}<noinclude>{{documentation}}<!--Place interwiki and category links on the documentation subpage, please.</noinclude>
This template was recently embedded in several templates, e.g. to {{ Unreferenced}} on the 24 September 2010, and thus visible in thousands of articles.
Currently this template looks like a hidden Google commercial. We should rely on more companies than one, and if possible to open content.
A suggestion: Replace the Google images link by a link to open Flickr content or Wikimedia Commons. Google images should not be recommended since most illustrations available on the web are protected by copyright.
Another suggestion: A "More" link should also provide a list of good search engines useful in finding sources related to special topics, such as imdb.com for movies, etc. Which search engine list is best?
More suggestions for good alternatives or supplements to the Google links? Mange01 ( talk) 15:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
See Template talk:Refimprove#RFC: Should a link to a commercial search engine be included in the template Refimprove the consensus was overwhelmingly that Google should not be used on these templates. If there is to be another survey please inform me on my talk page. -- PBS ( talk) 22:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
[Outdent]I'm happy to see that Find sources still is embedded in about 20 other templates, according to this list of templates that currently are calling Find sources. Thus it is visible in a huge amount of articles. But I'm worried that someone might remove it since it only links to Google.
The new template Findsources2 is currently not embedded in any other template according to this list. Findsources3 is only embedded in one other template ({{ Prod blp/dated}}) according to this list.
The acronyms in Findsources3 make it too difficult to understand, and som of the provided links do not work.
I think avoiding linking to only Google might increase the acceptance of the embedding of these templates. Replacing Findsources by Findsource2 in most of the 20 templates where it is embedded might be an approach. Or?
Mange01 ( talk) 02:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's just me, but pages that have templates that also use this one (for example, {BLP unsourced} display "Please do not use the findsources template in articles" in large red letters. See IU (singer) for an example, although it shows up on all unsourced BLPs that I checked. Any way this can be fixed? Is it possible that it's only me that sees this? SKS ( talk) 20:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Per the discussion [5] I would like to filter out additional on-demand and self publishers such as "-inpublisher:Lulu" . Is there any objection? or anyone with more experience with the template who would like to make the change? Active Banana (bananaphone 21:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
When using the Google Books search, link, the template adds the "-inpublisher:icon" options which brings zero results, while if you search just with the "keyword", you find what you need. Did Google Books search params changed in mean time. Please do a test at the Krobyzoi Talk:Krobyzoi/to do, clicking on the books link for any of the items. Removing the "-inpublisher:icon" will bring the results. Any help would be appreciated. -- Codrin.B ( talk) 23:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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Please remove the switch clause surrounding this template. The template should be used in {{ rescue}}, so that when we have to change the Google links (I can tell you this will be necessary soon when we get protocol relative URL support) or other maintenance, this can be done straight in one edit. The sandbox contains the necessary code. Thanks, -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 16:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
[//www.example.com/]
which is treated as if it were either [http://www.example.com/]
or [https://www.example.com/]
depending upon whether or not the user has logged in via the
Secure server. --
Redrose64 (
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20:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)The {{ Find sources}} template is currently linking to the main Google News site, sans the search criterion. Here's an example:
Hopefully a solution can be found for this matter. I've also posted this matter at Village pump (technical). Northamerica1000 (talk) 08:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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http://news.google.com/archivesearch?{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|&as_price=p1|}}&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}
to http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}
? Thanks,
Goodvac (
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18:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia
portion of the query hasn't been working for a while. The link would always redirect to a url without the &as_src
... portion. The only option I see is to add -newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia
directly to the query, yielding a link like
this, which is rather clunky. In my opinion, it's not worth it, as it's not difficult to recognize newswire sources just by looking at the result snippet.
Goodvac (
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08:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Looks like Google changed their parameters again. The custom search aspect of the {{
Find sources}} template isn't working at this time for the Google news link on the template.
Click on Google news link; the search criterion is only "Agriculture". Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please change [http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{2}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{3}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{4}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{5}}}}}|}}
to [http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{2}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{3}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{4}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{5}}}}}|}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}
. Thanks,
Goodvac (
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18:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is this template protected? I can't find a way to change it.
I want to add Google Blogs search as an option, since that search often finds publications with a review process and professional staff that don't appear at Google News and are quite handy for sourcing obscure music stubs. News sources that publish in a "blog" style format may be as reliable as a traditional newspaper, and this search is a good way to find those. I would also add a caveat so the user remembers to check wether the sources found with "Find sources" have an editorial process like Wikipedia:RS suggests. Diego ( talk) 18:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
{{subst:Find all sources}}
tool in one's own sandbox for making short work of getting links to potential source material to manually dig through. It just shouldn't be used at XfDs. In fact, I'd propose some namespace/pagename tests in it to throw up a red warning instead of normal output if it were used in XfDs. —
SMcCandlish
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Contrib.
20:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Would it be worthwhile to add a JSTOR parameter to this template? I've seen a number of AfDs on academic books and subjects that don't necessarily get a lot of hits in GNews or even GBooks but that have plentiful coverage in journals, and perhaps this would be useful. (On the other hand, we can't add every useful source. Is JSTOR preferable to Wiley, etc.? What about PubMed?) Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 05:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to revisit the discussion of adding scholarly journals to this template in the hope of getting more response than last time (which would be any response at all). In the past few days and weeks there have been a number of articles I've seen PRODed or nominated for deletion where a short JSTOR search would easily have dispelled qualms about notability. So, again: should we add a template for journal article databases? If so, is JSTOR the best choice? Should we choose a different one instead or add more than one? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
OK, still not sure about JSTOR vs Wiley, Muse, etc. but here goes with an edit request:
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Please add a parameter to this template that would search http://www.jstor.org/. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please add JSTORto the template. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 06:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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Please find a version of the template, with a JSTOR parameter added, at Template:Find sources/Jstor-edit-request. Have tested, it works, see link in previous edit request for example. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I see this has already been added, for JSTOR only, but isn't there a way to do this more broadly? I note that the
Citation/core family of template already have code for JSTOR, PubMed, etc., lookups; can it be borrowed? And how about making this optional, for science/academic topics? This template is already very over-inclusive and cluttered. The results for something like {{find sources|John Doe|basketball}}
are already kind of stupid; its highly unlikely there will ever be academic search results for a basketball player, much less through JSTOR. —
SMcCandlish
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21:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Per
#Exclude Books LLC above, I think adding -inauthor:"books llc" -inpublisher:"Hephaestus Books"
to the books search string will be helpful. --
Paul_012 (
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07:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Can you add a link that queries WorldCat? The syntax to query for the phrase word1 word2 word3
is
http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=word1+word2+word3
. Thanks!
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13:27, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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Please add DuckDuckGo search link: this search facility seems to filter some splogs and PR stuff quite efficiently, and it often requires less time to spend in cases when there are reliable sources. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff ( talk) 14:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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I find that the link http://news.google.com/newspapers brings up a greatest number of source material via the search archive button over a search using http://news.google.com . Please consider changing the news link in the template to http://news.google.com/newspapers or adding http://news.google.com/newspapers as an archive news search. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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Please make this change from the sandbox allowing source links to be placed in the template per consensus at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 February 26#Template:Notability. Ryan Vesey 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Ryan Vesey 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Template's locked but could an admin maybe make a mention that JSTOR stands for Journal Storage? I'm assuming that Scholar/Journal are the ideal links to find references, with Books/News coming in second place in terms of ideal sources to cite? Also because they are the best, could we maybe either list them first, or else move the 'free images' link to the front by books/news so that reading left to right we go from worst to best? Scholar and JSTOR should stand out to make them of prominent notice to readers. Ranze ( talk) 23:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Google News these days does not give any reliable indication at all as to what news sources are out there – neither the Archive nor the Any time parameters actually find news articles that were published more than a few weeks ago. This has been the case for some time, so the search is more than useless for assessing notability (which is what this template is typically used for in AfD discussions). The link should be removed, and people instructed to use Google web search to locate news articles. (To give an example, try searching for "bicholim conflict" wikipedia in Google News and the standard Google web search. Google News finds nothing at all, while Google web search locates dozens of news articles in major publications.) Andreas JN 466 09:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
To compensate for the loss of the Google News Archive Search that was previously in the Find sources template, the standard Google News search ( http://news.google.com) and the Google newspapers search ( http://news.google.com/newspapers) can be added to the template. The newspaper search functions similarly to the previous archive search, and provision of these links would provide users with significant and valuable resources for source searching. NorthAmerica 1000 07:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Below is a substituted preview of the present sandbox version at Template:Find sources/sandbox. Looking good! How about the notion of adding the main Google News search to the template (at http://news.google.com)? This would work well as the first link after the general Google search topic link, linked just left of the newspapers link, titled "news". NorthAmerica 1000 13:43, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
This template should really have alternate versions for different search engines. I avoid using Google, but that shouldn't mean I can't get sources! -- User J Dalek 23:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I've converted this template to Lua, using Module:Find sources. You can see the Lua-ised version at Template:Find sources/sandbox. It should function the same as the existing template, but please let me know if you notice anything wrong with it. Unless there are any objections, I'll put this up live in a couple of days' time. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
What do you think about adding * Wikipedia Library to the template. Using the TWL main page, it's unlike a preloaded search query, but it gets you much closer to WP:RD, WP:RX, and the 30+ journal partners at WP:TWL/Journals.
If so, would someone like to add this?
Thanks! Jake Ocaasi t | c 18:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
It's great that The Wikipedia Library and a couple of its most used sources are in the AfD template! Just wanted to ask a couple of questions about it related to this. Should the other templates listed here have been updated too? Also, we were wondering about the possibility of including a link to the signup pages for Highbeam and JSTOR. I'm not sure how this would work, because it's currently quite a clean interface and I wouldn't want to take up too much room, but it could be a useful thing to have and I'd be interested to hear suggestions on how it could work, or if it's a non-starter. Thanks, Sam Walton ( talk) 17:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Please replace Google with one or more search engines that respect the privacy of its users. Several users on this talk page have also raised this issue in the past. Pikolas ( talk) 01:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure why Highbeam is already not present in this template. Given that hundred of Wikipedia editors including me exploit free premium use of Highbeam through Wikipedia library. It'd help, if it is present. Anupmehra - Let's talk! 17:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to see "Find sources" for the current page linked by the "Page ... Tools..." Gadget " Drop-down menus or another Gadget. It's very useful. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to find uses in old books of the phrase "gender feminism" at Talk:gender feminism but it's giving me results like "gender: feminism" and "gender, feminism" which I do not want. Does anyone know how to fix this? 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 05:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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For: {{
friendly search suggestions}}
Which renders as:
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Replace: Wikipedia library
With: The Wikipedia Library
As far as I can tell, {{
friendly search suggestions}}
pulls off of {{
find sources}}
which pulls off of
module:find sources. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|
Checkingfax}} {
Talk}
20:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
{{
Find sources}}
. (FYI: {{
Friendly search suggestions}}
invokes
Module:Find sources directly which gets data from
Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources.) —
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Highbeam appears to support HTTPS for searches (indeed,
http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Albert+Einstein%22 leads to a 301 Moved Permanently redirect to
https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Albert+Einstein%22) and using HTTPS for HighBeam would provide increased privacy and security for users. In
Module:Find sources/links/highbeam, please change http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=$1
to https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=$1
instead. Thanks. --
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16:10, 9 September 2016 (UTC)
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This week we migrated all the Wikipedia Library signup processes over to the centralised Library card. It would be great to get the Wikipedia Library link in this template updated to point to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/ instead of WP:TWL - it's more directly the location that editors would be looking for to sign up for these resources. Thanks, Samwalton9 (WMF) ( talk) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
{{findsourcesnotice|Administrators|Wikipedia}}
In the example above, this template does not provide any search results when searching for information about Wikipedia, since it adds -wikipedia
to every search query. Can this template be modified so that -wikipedia
will be omitted when necessary?
Jarble (
talk)
20:58, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I have just noticed that WP:BEFORE #C(4) "... consider merging or redirecting to an existing article..." is so easily lost in so many points, and have noticed that so many AfD nominations and discussions fail to consider merge options, even when they are obvious. We could highlight or even flash WP:BEFORE point C(4), but I doubt very much that many would even notice. A pointer in this template might be a good idea? I suggest including a +wikipedia search to assist with consideration of the option to merge, possibly piped through the text "check merge options".
No idea if this has been discussed before. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Why is NYT linked? It has been precieved as a left wing media. To maintain Wikipedia's neutrality, editors should consider listing a right wing media like NYpost or Breitbart as well.-- The Master ( talk) 05:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I find the template useless for disambiguated articles since it currently puts the disambiguator, together with the parentheses, in quotes, which requires sources to present the subject in the exact same format as Wikipedia does, which seldom happens. I think the disambigutor needs to taken out of the quotation marks for the template to be useful. - Zanhe ( talk) 20:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
{{
Find sources|Hate You (Daredevils song)}}
on any page should give the same result as {{
Find sources}}
would have on
Talk:Hate You (Daredevils song). You can get the effect by using two parameters. {{
Find sources|Hate You|Daredevils song}}
produces:Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
{{
Find sources AFD|Zhang Yong (politician)}}
. Without a page name, {{
Find sources AFD}}
on
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhang Yong (politician) would have given the same result as it would on
Talk:Zhang Yong (politician), placing politician
outside quotes. But AfD pages can be transcluded and have other things in the page name like "(2nd nomination)", so the call on AfD pages is made with the article name as parameter.
PrimeHunter (
talk)
23:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the template looks like
I believe, per the principle of least astonishment, that this should be tweaked to
I'd do it myself, but it involves dealing with LUA, which is just about impossible to deal with. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 14:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I made some progress at Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox,
but I'm missing a 'more links' function, or similar. I do have a hack at Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox2
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Johnuniq: The 'hack' is the span, yes. The idea would be to have
Right now the correct visual appearance is achieved, but the brackets are clickable, and they shouldn't be. There's two approaches the correct solution could have, the minimal one, where you just find a way to make $3 display, and one where there's a general way of making external link groups, so that you could support something like
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 09:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I edited the following and am almost finished.
The following shows the result of
{{Find sources/sandbox|Albert Einstein}}
→
Find sources:
Google (
books ·
news ·
scholar ·
free images ·
WP refs) ·
FENS ·
JSTOR ·
TWL
&q="Find+sources"
which comes from the name of this page. I'll bang my head on this for a while but will have to go elsewhere soon.
Johnuniq (
talk)
23:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)Nothing (more) can go wrong: I fixed the arguments issue. I put a couple more tests at
my sandbox (
permalink).
Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox illustrates use of the new separator
and afterDisplay
fields that allow (
and )
to be inserted where needed. Please give it a workout.
Johnuniq (
talk)
02:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The Highbeam service has now been terminated, as had been pre-announced, so it would be appropriate to remove it from the template. A proportion of the Highbeam content is said to have been migrated to Questia, so adding a Questia link to the template could be worthwhile? I'm not sure why it wasn't aready there though. AllyD ( talk) 14:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
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Please remove the Highbeam link. Per the Talk page thread above, the service has been discontinued by Cengage, and so the link no longer works. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 21:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
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What the heck happened to this once-functional template today? It used to be succinct and useful. Now it is full of a bewildering array of options, some of which don't convey anything useful (what does "a9" mean?), and spits out 'you must add "+" between words for phrase search', which might be useful as part of the template documentation, but is just gibberish as part of the output. Reverting. This template is newly but increasingly used in AfD (it's a "hit", but please be gentle with it), and in a number of biographical stubs' talk pages. Please do not alter it so radically without discussion. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
Very strongly suggest removing the bullet. I noticed that the "Comment" has already been removed. This template should be usable inline, like {{ User}} and a zillion others. It would be much more versatile that way. As it stands as of this writing, it is only useful if put on a line by itself, which is a bit limiting. — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ contrib ツ 06:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
I think this template should not be used on stub pages. It suggests that if your free encyclopedia has run out of useful content, Google will somehow provide something better. It is clearly intended to help editors, not readers. The only place therefore where I could imagine it being useful is on talk pages. JFW | T@lk 14:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
I added a boatload of stuff for up to 4 additional parameters, which can include quoted search terms and negatives (and both in same value). Tested it a bunch in my sandbox, and it appears to work exactly as intended. Also improved the documentation, and also made the display show precisely what would be the manually-entered Google search terms (other than "-wikipedia"). — SMcCandlish [ talk] [ cont] ‹(-¿-)› 22:35, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Was unpleasantly surprised by this edit [1] which changed the template to only search for free sources by default. As mentioned above, a big purpose of this template is to make it easy to point to sources for AfD. An option to the template to make it search for only free sources is fine, but by default it should give links to searches which return all sources. cab ( talk) 00:39, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Is it possible to add FindArticles.com to the search string? Thanks. -- Suntag ☼ 21:17, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
This is not the San Francisco Examiner, which is a reliable source.
-- Hu12 ( talk) 22:41, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
Why does the books search exclude "icon" as a publisher name? Is there some undesirable publisher named Icon Books? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
I've noticed two instances today where this template has returned no results from the Google News archive search, even though there are perfectly valid hits. See Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and compare with [2] and [3]. It's important to get this right because the tiny minority of AfD participants who actually bother to look at the sources presented to them on a plate rely on the results of this template. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:16, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
I note that User:Anakin101 has added this parameter to the web search. I would like to voice my support for this and also urge that it (or preferably num=100) should be added to the other searches too. I tend to avoid clicking on the links provided by this template because doing so resets my Google preferences to the silly default of only giving 10 results at a time. I know that there may be concerns about the effect on readers with slow links, but a results page with 100 links only uses about 30KB, which is well under the limit we try to keep to for articles. Phil Bridger ( talk) 21:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I have just applied {{Findsourcesnotice}} to Talk:Beer in Scotland, and I notice that (contrary to the Template documentation) the "search" and "images" parameters are missing. Why? Thanks. -- Mais oui! ( talk) 09:55, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Kinda incomplete without it don't you think?-- Patton123 ( talk) 20:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
I've removed the smallcaps from this as they do not look good (nor are they very readable) when enclosed in small tags. I suggest adding a |sc=y
switch that allows people to choose if they want the output in small caps. ···
日本穣
? ·
投稿 ·
Talk to Nihonjoe
07:04, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
Should a link to a commercial search engine be included in templates that are placed outside the "External links" section of an article?
There is a an RFC at talk:Refimprove, on whether this should be done for that template, and by implication also a retrospective on the inclusion of such links to other article templates. -- PBS ( talk) 10:12, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
Would it be possible to add something to the Google searches along the lines of "-wikipedia" or "-wiki"? An old article on AfD could have thousands of Wikipedia references, mirrors, and whatnot cluttering up the results, none of which are at all helpful to someone looking for independent sources. ( The Tao of Programming drops from ~160k to ~140k links with '-wikipedia', and this filters out many of the worst & most useless top hits.) '-wiki' would be even better, since it'll catch mirrors which aren't so compliant, and since essentially no wiki is acceptable to WP:RS partisans, one doesn't lose anything regardless. -- Gwern (contribs) 17:26 23 November 2009 (GMT)
Similar to the Icon Group International, material from Books LLC has been showing up in search results. All they do is republish Wikipedia articles. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Unreferenced articles#Books LLC. Is there a way to get these entries excluded easily and safely? The problem I foresee is that there is likely a lot of publishers what go by the name of "Somethingorother Books LLC" and may get caught in the exclusion. -- Whpq ( talk) 17:22, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
{{ editrequested}} Quotes should be placed surrounding the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th search parameters as well. SharkD Talk 00:17, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
{{#switch:{{NAMESPACEE}}
|{{ns:0}}=<br><font size="+2" color=red>Please do not use the findsources template in articles.</font><br><br>
|#default=''Find sources:'' <span class="plainlinks">[http://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}}&num=50 "{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"{{#if:{{{2|}}}| "{{{2}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}| "{{{3}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}| "{{{4}}}"|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}| "{{{5}}}"|}}] – [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|&as_price=p1|}}&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-press+-release+-wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} news]{{·}}[http://books.google.com/books?as_brr=0&as_pub=-icon&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} books]{{·}}[http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} scholar]{{·}}[http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&as_rights=(cc_publicdomain%7ccc_attribute%7ccc_sharealike%7ccc_noncommercial%7ccc_nonderived)&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{2}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{3}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{4}}}"}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:"{{{5}}}"}}|}} images]</span>}}<noinclude>{{documentation}}<!--Place interwiki and category links on the documentation subpage, please.</noinclude>
This template was recently embedded in several templates, e.g. to {{ Unreferenced}} on the 24 September 2010, and thus visible in thousands of articles.
Currently this template looks like a hidden Google commercial. We should rely on more companies than one, and if possible to open content.
A suggestion: Replace the Google images link by a link to open Flickr content or Wikimedia Commons. Google images should not be recommended since most illustrations available on the web are protected by copyright.
Another suggestion: A "More" link should also provide a list of good search engines useful in finding sources related to special topics, such as imdb.com for movies, etc. Which search engine list is best?
More suggestions for good alternatives or supplements to the Google links? Mange01 ( talk) 15:16, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
See Template talk:Refimprove#RFC: Should a link to a commercial search engine be included in the template Refimprove the consensus was overwhelmingly that Google should not be used on these templates. If there is to be another survey please inform me on my talk page. -- PBS ( talk) 22:53, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
[Outdent]I'm happy to see that Find sources still is embedded in about 20 other templates, according to this list of templates that currently are calling Find sources. Thus it is visible in a huge amount of articles. But I'm worried that someone might remove it since it only links to Google.
The new template Findsources2 is currently not embedded in any other template according to this list. Findsources3 is only embedded in one other template ({{ Prod blp/dated}}) according to this list.
The acronyms in Findsources3 make it too difficult to understand, and som of the provided links do not work.
I think avoiding linking to only Google might increase the acceptance of the embedding of these templates. Replacing Findsources by Findsource2 in most of the 20 templates where it is embedded might be an approach. Or?
Mange01 ( talk) 02:58, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's just me, but pages that have templates that also use this one (for example, {BLP unsourced} display "Please do not use the findsources template in articles" in large red letters. See IU (singer) for an example, although it shows up on all unsourced BLPs that I checked. Any way this can be fixed? Is it possible that it's only me that sees this? SKS ( talk) 20:12, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Per the discussion [5] I would like to filter out additional on-demand and self publishers such as "-inpublisher:Lulu" . Is there any objection? or anyone with more experience with the template who would like to make the change? Active Banana (bananaphone 21:53, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
When using the Google Books search, link, the template adds the "-inpublisher:icon" options which brings zero results, while if you search just with the "keyword", you find what you need. Did Google Books search params changed in mean time. Please do a test at the Krobyzoi Talk:Krobyzoi/to do, clicking on the books link for any of the items. Removing the "-inpublisher:icon" will bring the results. Any help would be appreciated. -- Codrin.B ( talk) 23:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
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Please remove the switch clause surrounding this template. The template should be used in {{ rescue}}, so that when we have to change the Google links (I can tell you this will be necessary soon when we get protocol relative URL support) or other maintenance, this can be done straight in one edit. The sandbox contains the necessary code. Thanks, -- The Evil IP address ( talk) 16:38, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
[//www.example.com/]
which is treated as if it were either [http://www.example.com/]
or [https://www.example.com/]
depending upon whether or not the user has logged in via the
Secure server. --
Redrose64 (
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20:50, 6 January 2012 (UTC)The {{ Find sources}} template is currently linking to the main Google News site, sans the search criterion. Here's an example:
Hopefully a solution can be found for this matter. I've also posted this matter at Village pump (technical). Northamerica1000 (talk) 08:38, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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http://news.google.com/archivesearch?{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|&as_price=p1|}}&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia&q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}
to http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}
? Thanks,
Goodvac (
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18:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)&as_src=-newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia
portion of the query hasn't been working for a while. The link would always redirect to a url without the &as_src
... portion. The only option I see is to add -newswire+-wire+-presswire+-PR+-release+-wikipedia
directly to the query, yielding a link like
this, which is rather clunky. In my opinion, it's not worth it, as it's not difficult to recognize newswire sources just by looking at the result snippet.
Goodvac (
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08:49, 7 January 2012 (UTC)Looks like Google changed their parameters again. The custom search aspect of the {{
Find sources}} template isn't working at this time for the Google news link on the template.
Click on Google news link; the search criterion is only "Agriculture". Northamerica1000 (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please change [http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{2}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{3}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{4}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{5}}}}}|}}
to [http://www.google.com/search?q={{urlencode:"{{{1|{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}"}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{2}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{3|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{3}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{4|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{4}}}}}|}}{{#if:{{{5|}}}|+{{urlencode:{{{5}}}}}|}}&tbm=nws&tbs=ar:1{{#ifeq:{{{free|}}}|yes|,apr:f|}}
. Thanks,
Goodvac (
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18:45, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
Is this template protected? I can't find a way to change it.
I want to add Google Blogs search as an option, since that search often finds publications with a review process and professional staff that don't appear at Google News and are quite handy for sourcing obscure music stubs. News sources that publish in a "blog" style format may be as reliable as a traditional newspaper, and this search is a good way to find those. I would also add a caveat so the user remembers to check wether the sources found with "Find sources" have an editorial process like Wikipedia:RS suggests. Diego ( talk) 18:23, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
{{subst:Find all sources}}
tool in one's own sandbox for making short work of getting links to potential source material to manually dig through. It just shouldn't be used at XfDs. In fact, I'd propose some namespace/pagename tests in it to throw up a red warning instead of normal output if it were used in XfDs. —
SMcCandlish
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20:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)Would it be worthwhile to add a JSTOR parameter to this template? I've seen a number of AfDs on academic books and subjects that don't necessarily get a lot of hits in GNews or even GBooks but that have plentiful coverage in journals, and perhaps this would be useful. (On the other hand, we can't add every useful source. Is JSTOR preferable to Wiley, etc.? What about PubMed?) Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 05:44, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to revisit the discussion of adding scholarly journals to this template in the hope of getting more response than last time (which would be any response at all). In the past few days and weeks there have been a number of articles I've seen PRODed or nominated for deletion where a short JSTOR search would easily have dispelled qualms about notability. So, again: should we add a template for journal article databases? If so, is JSTOR the best choice? Should we choose a different one instead or add more than one? – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 01:17, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
OK, still not sure about JSTOR vs Wiley, Muse, etc. but here goes with an edit request:
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Please add a parameter to this template that would search http://www.jstor.org/. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 19:43, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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Please add JSTORto the template. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 06:50, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
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Please find a version of the template, with a JSTOR parameter added, at Template:Find sources/Jstor-edit-request. Have tested, it works, see link in previous edit request for example. – Roscelese ( talk ⋅ contribs) 23:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I see this has already been added, for JSTOR only, but isn't there a way to do this more broadly? I note that the
Citation/core family of template already have code for JSTOR, PubMed, etc., lookups; can it be borrowed? And how about making this optional, for science/academic topics? This template is already very over-inclusive and cluttered. The results for something like {{find sources|John Doe|basketball}}
are already kind of stupid; its highly unlikely there will ever be academic search results for a basketball player, much less through JSTOR. —
SMcCandlish
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21:02, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Per
#Exclude Books LLC above, I think adding -inauthor:"books llc" -inpublisher:"Hephaestus Books"
to the books search string will be helpful. --
Paul_012 (
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07:13, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
Can you add a link that queries WorldCat? The syntax to query for the phrase word1 word2 word3
is
http://www.worldcat.org/search?qt=worldcat_org_all&q=word1+word2+word3
. Thanks!
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Please add DuckDuckGo search link: this search facility seems to filter some splogs and PR stuff quite efficiently, and it often requires less time to spend in cases when there are reliable sources. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff ( talk) 14:37, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
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I find that the link http://news.google.com/newspapers brings up a greatest number of source material via the search archive button over a search using http://news.google.com . Please consider changing the news link in the template to http://news.google.com/newspapers or adding http://news.google.com/newspapers as an archive news search. Thanks. -- Uzma Gamal ( talk) 21:22, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
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Please make this change from the sandbox allowing source links to be placed in the template per consensus at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2013 February 26#Template:Notability. Ryan Vesey 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC) Ryan Vesey 06:15, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Template's locked but could an admin maybe make a mention that JSTOR stands for Journal Storage? I'm assuming that Scholar/Journal are the ideal links to find references, with Books/News coming in second place in terms of ideal sources to cite? Also because they are the best, could we maybe either list them first, or else move the 'free images' link to the front by books/news so that reading left to right we go from worst to best? Scholar and JSTOR should stand out to make them of prominent notice to readers. Ranze ( talk) 23:01, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Google News these days does not give any reliable indication at all as to what news sources are out there – neither the Archive nor the Any time parameters actually find news articles that were published more than a few weeks ago. This has been the case for some time, so the search is more than useless for assessing notability (which is what this template is typically used for in AfD discussions). The link should be removed, and people instructed to use Google web search to locate news articles. (To give an example, try searching for "bicholim conflict" wikipedia in Google News and the standard Google web search. Google News finds nothing at all, while Google web search locates dozens of news articles in major publications.) Andreas JN 466 09:33, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
To compensate for the loss of the Google News Archive Search that was previously in the Find sources template, the standard Google News search ( http://news.google.com) and the Google newspapers search ( http://news.google.com/newspapers) can be added to the template. The newspaper search functions similarly to the previous archive search, and provision of these links would provide users with significant and valuable resources for source searching. NorthAmerica 1000 07:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Below is a substituted preview of the present sandbox version at Template:Find sources/sandbox. Looking good! How about the notion of adding the main Google News search to the template (at http://news.google.com)? This would work well as the first link after the general Google search topic link, linked just left of the newspapers link, titled "news". NorthAmerica 1000 13:43, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
This template should really have alternate versions for different search engines. I avoid using Google, but that shouldn't mean I can't get sources! -- User J Dalek 23:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I've converted this template to Lua, using Module:Find sources. You can see the Lua-ised version at Template:Find sources/sandbox. It should function the same as the existing template, but please let me know if you notice anything wrong with it. Unless there are any objections, I'll put this up live in a couple of days' time. — Mr. Stradivarius ♪ talk ♪ 15:56, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
What do you think about adding * Wikipedia Library to the template. Using the TWL main page, it's unlike a preloaded search query, but it gets you much closer to WP:RD, WP:RX, and the 30+ journal partners at WP:TWL/Journals.
If so, would someone like to add this?
Thanks! Jake Ocaasi t | c 18:00, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
It's great that The Wikipedia Library and a couple of its most used sources are in the AfD template! Just wanted to ask a couple of questions about it related to this. Should the other templates listed here have been updated too? Also, we were wondering about the possibility of including a link to the signup pages for Highbeam and JSTOR. I'm not sure how this would work, because it's currently quite a clean interface and I wouldn't want to take up too much room, but it could be a useful thing to have and I'd be interested to hear suggestions on how it could work, or if it's a non-starter. Thanks, Sam Walton ( talk) 17:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Please replace Google with one or more search engines that respect the privacy of its users. Several users on this talk page have also raised this issue in the past. Pikolas ( talk) 01:47, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure why Highbeam is already not present in this template. Given that hundred of Wikipedia editors including me exploit free premium use of Highbeam through Wikipedia library. It'd help, if it is present. Anupmehra - Let's talk! 17:45, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I would like to see "Find sources" for the current page linked by the "Page ... Tools..." Gadget " Drop-down menus or another Gadget. It's very useful. — Jeff G. ツ (talk) 23:13, 28 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm trying to find uses in old books of the phrase "gender feminism" at Talk:gender feminism but it's giving me results like "gender: feminism" and "gender, feminism" which I do not want. Does anyone know how to fix this? 184.145.18.50 ( talk) 05:08, 26 February 2016 (UTC)
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For: {{
friendly search suggestions}}
Which renders as:
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Replace: Wikipedia library
With: The Wikipedia Library
As far as I can tell, {{
friendly search suggestions}}
pulls off of {{
find sources}}
which pulls off of
module:find sources. Ping me back. Cheers! {{u|
Checkingfax}} {
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20:01, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
{{
Find sources}}
. (FYI: {{
Friendly search suggestions}}
invokes
Module:Find sources directly which gets data from
Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources.) —
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Highbeam appears to support HTTPS for searches (indeed,
http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Albert+Einstein%22 leads to a 301 Moved Permanently redirect to
https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22Albert+Einstein%22) and using HTTPS for HighBeam would provide increased privacy and security for users. In
Module:Find sources/links/highbeam, please change http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=$1
to https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=$1
instead. Thanks. --
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This week we migrated all the Wikipedia Library signup processes over to the centralised Library card. It would be great to get the Wikipedia Library link in this template updated to point to https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/partners/ instead of WP:TWL - it's more directly the location that editors would be looking for to sign up for these resources. Thanks, Samwalton9 (WMF) ( talk) 16:33, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
{{findsourcesnotice|Administrators|Wikipedia}}
In the example above, this template does not provide any search results when searching for information about Wikipedia, since it adds -wikipedia
to every search query. Can this template be modified so that -wikipedia
will be omitted when necessary?
Jarble (
talk)
20:58, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
I have just noticed that WP:BEFORE #C(4) "... consider merging or redirecting to an existing article..." is so easily lost in so many points, and have noticed that so many AfD nominations and discussions fail to consider merge options, even when they are obvious. We could highlight or even flash WP:BEFORE point C(4), but I doubt very much that many would even notice. A pointer in this template might be a good idea? I suggest including a +wikipedia search to assist with consideration of the option to merge, possibly piped through the text "check merge options".
No idea if this has been discussed before. -- SmokeyJoe ( talk) 02:20, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Why is NYT linked? It has been precieved as a left wing media. To maintain Wikipedia's neutrality, editors should consider listing a right wing media like NYpost or Breitbart as well.-- The Master ( talk) 05:10, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
I find the template useless for disambiguated articles since it currently puts the disambiguator, together with the parentheses, in quotes, which requires sources to present the subject in the exact same format as Wikipedia does, which seldom happens. I think the disambigutor needs to taken out of the quotation marks for the template to be useful. - Zanhe ( talk) 20:06, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
{{
Find sources|Hate You (Daredevils song)}}
on any page should give the same result as {{
Find sources}}
would have on
Talk:Hate You (Daredevils song). You can get the effect by using two parameters. {{
Find sources|Hate You|Daredevils song}}
produces:Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
{{
Find sources AFD|Zhang Yong (politician)}}
. Without a page name, {{
Find sources AFD}}
on
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhang Yong (politician) would have given the same result as it would on
Talk:Zhang Yong (politician), placing politician
outside quotes. But AfD pages can be transcluded and have other things in the page name like "(2nd nomination)", so the call on AfD pages is made with the article name as parameter.
PrimeHunter (
talk)
23:21, 14 April 2018 (UTC)
Currently, the template looks like
I believe, per the principle of least astonishment, that this should be tweaked to
I'd do it myself, but it involves dealing with LUA, which is just about impossible to deal with. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 14:22, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
I made some progress at Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox,
but I'm missing a 'more links' function, or similar. I do have a hack at Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox2
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 22:18, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
@ Johnuniq: The 'hack' is the span, yes. The idea would be to have
Right now the correct visual appearance is achieved, but the brackets are clickable, and they shouldn't be. There's two approaches the correct solution could have, the minimal one, where you just find a way to make $3 display, and one where there's a general way of making external link groups, so that you could support something like
Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 09:40, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I edited the following and am almost finished.
The following shows the result of
{{Find sources/sandbox|Albert Einstein}}
→
Find sources:
Google (
books ·
news ·
scholar ·
free images ·
WP refs) ·
FENS ·
JSTOR ·
TWL
&q="Find+sources"
which comes from the name of this page. I'll bang my head on this for a while but will have to go elsewhere soon.
Johnuniq (
talk)
23:46, 24 August 2018 (UTC)Nothing (more) can go wrong: I fixed the arguments issue. I put a couple more tests at
my sandbox (
permalink).
Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources/sandbox illustrates use of the new separator
and afterDisplay
fields that allow (
and )
to be inserted where needed. Please give it a workout.
Johnuniq (
talk)
02:50, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
The Highbeam service has now been terminated, as had been pre-announced, so it would be appropriate to remove it from the template. A proportion of the Highbeam content is said to have been migrated to Questia, so adding a Questia link to the template could be worthwhile? I'm not sure why it wasn't aready there though. AllyD ( talk) 14:11, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
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Please remove the Highbeam link. Per the Talk page thread above, the service has been discontinued by Cengage, and so the link no longer works. UnitedStatesian ( talk) 21:07, 4 January 2019 (UTC)