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This is a direct copy of Template:Digimon episode. I hope to have this turned into a generalized template for ALL episodes. Likely this will include a HUGE list of variables in the template which will account for any specifics for episode lists. Anyway, I hope to make a few adjustments to this template sometime soon so we can begin using it for any episode list. Contributions are welcome and encouraged. -- Will2k 03:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's some ideas I've thrown together, the parameters are:
{{Episode list |Image= |Title= |AltTitle= (optional) |Aux1= generic column 1 (optional) |Aux2= generic column 2 (optional) |OriginalAirDate= |AltDate= next significant air date, such as the first English air date of an anime (optional) |ProdCode= (optional) |EpisodeNumber= |ShortSummary= (optional) |LineColor= when none is specified it defaults to #CCCCFF }}
Example:
# | Screenshot | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
---|---|---|---|---|
Works great so far. Also note that I fixed some of the extra space found in the originals ( List of South Park episodes#Season 1: 1997-1998) o.O -- Ned Scott 07:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's an initial list of items I think can be applied to all episode lists:
Am I missing any?-- Will2k 05:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I kinda like the list as proposed above. I think that adding more info to it is just gonna clutter it up (esp. directed/written by). For most lists this info isn't really important. You might as well look it up in another directory (which probably will provide more relevant information), by using the info of the list. Or in case the show has TV episode articles, in the article itself. I'm still pondering about the airdate issues. I mean we can't go adding airdates for all english speaking coutries of course. Personally i think definetly "original airdate" (in coutry of original broadcast) should be there. However how to go from there, i'm not really sure. Aditionally I'm thinking we might link to tv.com entries for eps or something simpler. I'm just a little afraid because I don't want ppl getting into an argument over "which review site is better/should be used". - The DJ 19:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Looking at this template, i just realise that even though a summery is optional, an image is not. I propose the following layout, which would allow this, in it's most expanded and shortest mode. - The DJ 21:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
# | Screenshot | English title (top) Japanese title (bottom) |
Aux1 | Aux2 | Original Air Date |
English Air Date |
P# |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | File:Wikipedia-screenshot.png | "
the title of this episode" "title2" |
aux1 | aux2 | date1 | date2 | prod# |
blablablabla | |||||||
# | Title | Original Air Date |
---|---|---|
1 | "The title of this episode" | date1 |
The only problem with this, and with all optional feilds, is that if one entry displays an image, and the second does not, the table will look like this:
# | Screenshot | English title (top) Japanese title (bottom) |
Original Air Date |
||||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | File:Wikipedia-screenshot.png | "
the title of this episode" "title2" |
date1 | ||||
blablablabla | |||||||
2 | "The title of this episode" | date1 | |||||
This is also my current dilemma for the "Aux" and "AltDate" fields as well. I've been reading the Help:Advanced templates help pages to see what options there are. But yeah, if I can figure something out then image will also be an optional field. -- Ned Scott 22:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code | |||
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
01 | "
Blah Title" | TBA | TBA | August 01, 2013 | TBA | 101 |
This is a short summary. |
Can we get a couple more auxiliary fields added? Or better yet, can we get "writer" and "director" added as standard (but possibly optional) fields, leaving "Aux" for truly auxiliary, series-specific information? I'm thinking of "mytharc" episodes for The X-Files, character flashbacks for Lost, or celebrity cameos for The Simpsons -- Soren.harward 15:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I have done some editing and cleaned things up a bit. I have managed to get the entire first season of South Park working with this template. It can be found in my sandbox here. I can't figure out why the South Park table doesn't have all the lines there. Anyone? -- Will2k 01:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I know we still have some lose ends to tie up on the template and such, but I was thinking that maybe we should change the name of the template to Template:Episode list or something like that. -- Ned Scott 21:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved the episode number to be listed at the other end of the listing, as it's done in some of the featured lists. I think I can add a thing to make it so one can select either side, but I figured this should be the default. -- Ned Scott 13:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe english colour codes are working (eg. white instead of FFFFFF). Can someone confirm or deny?-- Will2k 18:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that List of Stargate SG-1 episodes used a format of 150px for their images, so I made an ImageSize parameter. Still defaults to 125px when none is defined. -- Ned Scott 09:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Although a good idea in itself, I find this template unnecessary. The table markup was actually simpler and easier to read! By trying to standardise, you've introduced a hundred variables to account for the fact that episode lists aren't standardised. You should start a discussion for a Wikipedia policy on standards for episode lists, and then cut down the variables. Alternatively, this template can be used on some episode lists but not all.
However, even on the pages it is being used, it is quite a nightmare. It seems to introduce empty rows and ugly lines, disrupts the column headers, breaks apart the whole style of the article. This kind of template-ification is just not needed and is actually a step in a worse direction. The table markup was clean, simple and short.
With List of Stargate SG-1 episodes in mind, I would not like to use this template. Furthermore, I think that WikiProject Television really needs to look into making this template work better, or otherwise scrapping it and just generating a non-template-ified policy for episode list standards. -- Alfakim -- talk 14:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
|- |rowspan="2"| [[Image:Children of the Gods 1.jpg|150px]] || '''[[Children of the Gods (Stargate SG-1)|Children of the Gods (Part 1)]]''' || [[July 27]], [[1997]] || 101A |- |colspan="6"| The Stargate programme is brought back into action when the alien [[Apophis (Stargate)|Apophis]] attacks Earth through the gate. He is of the same race as the dead [[Ra (Stargate)|Ra]]. [[Jack O'Neill]], with new recruit [[Samantha Carter]], are sent to locate [[Daniel Jackson]].
is easier to read than
{{Episode list |Image=Children of the Gods 1.jpg |Title=[[Children of the Gods (Stargate SG-1)|Children of the Gods (Part 1)]] |OriginalAirDate=[[July 27]], [[1997]] |ProdCode=101A |EpisodeNumber=1 |ShortSummary=The Stargate programme is brought back into action when the alien [[Apophis (Stargate)|Apophis]] attacks Earth through the gate. He is of the same race as the dead [[Ra (Stargate)|Ra]]. [[Jack O'Neill]], with new recruit [[Samantha Carter]], are sent to locate [[Daniel Jackson]]. }}
is utter nonsense to me. Any problems with header widths are usually the fault of an improperly formatted table header. If it looks funny to you, as suggested, post a screenshot and point out the issues. The template is purposely flexible enough to account for nearly any issues. -- Will2k 20:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
For template calls without an image, the template should default to this image: Image:No_Screenshot.svg. Nothing else is neutral enough for fair use, without being obtrusive. Having a default image helps to keep cells the right size, and stops the table from looking plain shoddy and incomplete. -- Alfakim -- talk 14:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I used the template to make the List of Dirty Jobs episodes and found a few issues with the template:
On an unrelated note, might I suggest using a fake episode instead of a Southpark episode for the Example? While I'm sure it's a funny episode, the episode title might distract from your goal of widescale usage. -- Gogo Dodo 09:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
While this template was being used for List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes, we figured out that the LineColor parameter does not yield any effects in Internet Explorer. Is there any way to ameliorate this? Ryulong 00:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
This doens't seem to work with empty cells. I'm trying to make a page for Third Watch here but I don't want to have to fill in every single entry at one time. How do I fix this? Is seems like this is worse than a simple table with rowspan ="2" and colspan="5" although I agree the || || || || isn't as nice. For example
Image | Title | Credited Writers | Director | Original Airdate | # |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
If that's the only way to have empty cells then we should switch. I must be missing something. - Peregrinefisher 04:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
. The optional cell thing has been bothering me, and there should be a better way to handle it, but I'm not really sure how yet. I'll post on some talk pages, maybe leave a message at the village pump, and see if anyone has any good suggestions. --
Ned Scott
05:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)While on the topic of improving the template, I keep forgetting to note the page anchors via "id" thing that
Farix and I were playing around with a few nights ago. I can't remember the proper terminology for it, but I think it's "page anchor". Like the Table of Contents, it would allow us to jump to a specific point in an article, such as a specific episode on a list. For example
List of The X-Files episodes#ep21-121. Right now it's set up to use either the EpisodeNumber or ProdCode parameters as the last value, [[List of Show Name episodes#
(ep or pc)(number)]]
. Here's a copy of the discussion Farix and I were having:
Basically I figured one would use one or the other, but not both. I've seen lists where the ep number resets for each season, so I figured another alternative might be good for those lists. But yeah, there's probably a better way of doing that.. Any ideas? -- Ned Scott 22:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Including the season number may be a way to go about it, but that means adding an extra field to the templates. But perhaps the best way would be to use the episode title instead. -- TheFarix ( Talk) 22:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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So that's basically where we're at. Suggestions? Comments? -- Ned Scott 05:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
New template code being tested. See WT:LOE#un-filled parameters are no longer an issue -- Ned Scott 09:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Curly braces are showing up in the color bar, at least on my monitor. - Peregrinefisher 01:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
How can I change yhe color of the color bar? Can I do it once per table or does it have to be done for each row? - Peregrinefisher 04:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
|LineColor=
For the bottom line color, value in hex
web colors without pound sign (#)|TopColor=
For the "title" row, value in hex
web colors without pound sign (#){|class="wikitable plainrowheaders" ! Screenshot !! Title !! Original air date !! E# |- | colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFA040" | {{Episode list
What should I do if I want to include more than 2 fields that don't have a special parameter? I want to include the episodes number overall and within a season. Writer and Director are allready taking up Aux1 and Aux2. I could use prod num or alternate date, but that doesn't seem right. - Peregrinefisher 22:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
|EpisodeNumber2=
I Just forgot to add it to the instructions :D --
Ned Scott
00:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)What's the best way to put references in table header? Say for tv.com and production code. I did this, but it doesn't look right. - Peregrinefisher 23:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been standardising the list of Yu-Gi-Oh! episodes and there's something that I can't really seem to work out. It's at my Work Area. It can only go up to 210 boxes and then it goes screwy. I've tried removing some and it only goes up to 210 boxes. Maybe you could take a look, I'm not good at this coding stuff. (please don't point me to Template:Japanese episode list, I've worked on this for 6 hours and I just found out about that template, and I don't want to do it all over again. Template:nihongo works better for me.) - Zero1328 Talk? 09:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
See also: #Limits part 2
If I want to create a matching table, how would I go about doing that? I really love the layout of this table and while I get most of the wiki table code, I see two problems. First is the separator line between each episode entry, then the photo and caption. I'm sure I can figure out the rest, but could someone give me a code hint on how to accomplish those two things?
I worked on an episode list for Rome which is located here. I suggested it on the talk page, but someone rightly pointed out that if we implement it, then the other tables in the Rome article should match.
I'm willing to work on those tables, but I'm having trouble finding a way to put in that separator line (without text) and the photo thing. Any help is much appreciated. MagnoliaSouth | Talk 04:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="width:95%;" |- ! A !! B !! C !! D |- ! E !! colspan="3" | F |- | align="center"| a | align="center"| b | align="center"| c | align="center"| d |- | align="center"| e | style="background:white" colspan="3" | f |- style="background:#CCCCFF; height:2px" | colspan="4" | |}
A | B | C | D |
---|---|---|---|
E | F | ||
a | b | c | d |
e | f | ||
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="width:95%;" |- ! A !! B !! C !! D |- | align="center" rowspan="2"| a | align="center"| b | align="center"| c | align="center"| d |- | style="background:white" colspan="3" | f |- style="background:#CCCCFF; height:2px" | colspan="4" | |}
A | B | C | D |
---|---|---|---|
a | b | c | d |
f | |||
The colored seperator line isn't showing up in my IE. Is there anything we can do? Ned? - Peregrinefisher 08:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Check out List of South Park episodes. There are some extra columns without data showing up there.... Is this the result of a recent template change?-- GunnarRene 16:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of entering the image size just at the top, instead of entering it for each episode image Gman124 21:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
See also: #Limit?
I'm having the same problem right now on List of One Piece episodes. I'm trying to add episode 297, but it goes all screwy, like Zero said. Also, Template:One Piece general at the bottom of the page hasn't been working for a while either, and I think it's related. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be the same problem in List of ER episodes, the template doesn't work correctly for the last episodes. This is not caused by the large number of transclusions, but by the article size: if your shorten some of the episode descriptions (and look at the preview) the problem goes away; if you insert some text somewhere, it happens earlier in the list. -- memset 16:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Everyone's having the same problem because of Template limits. If you view the source for one of the impacted pages (e.g. List of One Piece episodes), you'll see this:
Pre-expand include size: 2042426 bytes Post-expand include size: 474690 bytes Template argument size: 593060 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
Every time a template is used, regardless of whether or not all or some of the parameters being used, it stacks up and creates a large pre-expand include size. Once that pre-expand include size hits the maximum (currently 2048000 bytes), template transclusion begins to fail. The same problem was seen in Template:Length conversion when someone tried to combine every type of length conversion into a giant template using #switch's. One patch/temporary fix is to move all documentation to a separate page, doing what is called Template doc page pattern. That can help alleviate some of the issue. With this template, it's using something I've never seen and don't understand: ParaCheck123. If that is truly necessary, then one option is shortening it to PC123. Any time a template is transcluded hundreds of times, there's exponential growth with something that seemingly simple. If ParaCheck123 isn't necessary, removing it would free up a lot of pre-expand size, and the problem would probably be fixed. Cheers. -- MZMcBride 01:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we need to seriously cut down on the bytes in the template itself. That definetly can be done. For instance i'm pretty sure: {{ #ifeq: {{{Aux1|ParaCheck123}}} | ParaCheck123 | 0 | 1 }} + can also be written as {{#ifeq:{{{Aux1|}}}||0|1}}+. It won't be as readable, but it'll work. We can also save a ton of whitespace, and indeed move the doc to somewhere else.
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Request to temporarily make this page semi protected in order to do some serious weeding. --
TheDJ (
talk •
contribs •
WikiProject Television)
02:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, just thought of something we could cut out easily. TopColor, I've never seen it used (no one will miss it) and it can be safely cut. Not much, but it's something for now. Please replace template page contents with
this. --
Ned Scott
04:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
We should make a test version of a "standard" page however to test if everything still works. But these chagnes will surely help -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 05:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
#expr: {{#ifeq:{{{Aux1|PC}}}|PC|0|1}}+
should be removed as well. See
my sandbox for the code. --
MZMcBride
05:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This not only uses less data, but the line colors there will now work in Internet Explorer. -- Ned Scott 07:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone's interested, I got the code down to exactly 2000 characters (coincidence!) here, and the results for sundry formats are here. The character count could be brought lower if a couple dozen spaces here and there were removed. My version uses wikitext tables, and not tr/td/th stuff. If the latter were implemented it could probably go well under 1000 characters. Of course, no need in being so efficient if makes the code unreadable. Gracenotes T § 03:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and then there's also Template:Japanese episode list. At the time I was fiddling around with the templates, I wanted to do something to make them more attractive for their adoption. I edit a lot of anime articles, and I knew that naming the parameters specifically (although only a few) can often be of a big help. This template also adds an additional title element for the Japanese character set. Other than that, it is the same as this template. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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Just as about as stripped down as we can without breaking any articles, this version of my sandbox page is ready to replace the contents of this template. I have tested the sandbox template at User:Ned Scott/sandbox2, User:Ned Scott/sandbox4, and tested a few randomly picked articles (see this history for March 14th for different articles being tested with the sandbox template). All tests worked without any problems, except that some articles will need to change from using lighter colors in their color bars to look better. (This is something pretty much inevitable, since it's also the only way to fix the linecolor for Internet Explorer.) All we need now is an admin to copy this into the template. -- Ned Scott 05:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't happen with ep1 and ep2 being both used when images are being used, so it has something to do when the template is triggered to flip the numbers from the right side (image format) to the left side (no image format). So far I haven't figured it out yet. -- Ned Scott 09:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
updated template is ready to go. -- Ned Scott 09:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I hate to request another edit so fast, when we were trying to keep the edit count for the template low, but
this edit will fix the IE problem. --
Ned Scott
13:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The image captions aren't working for me right now. It may have something to do with the recent changes, I don't know. - Peregrine Fisher 18:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Ok, ImageCaption back in, IE fix, and come further code optimization (by User:MZMcBride): replace template with this. -- Ned Scott 00:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Not centering the date doesn't look right. It's probably the same with some other fields that I don't use. - Peregrine Fisher 04:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please change: <td>{{{OriginalAirDate}}}</td> to <td align="center">{{{OriginalAirDate}}}</td>. This well centralise the date. Thanks. Matthew 22:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thanks guys for completely ignoring the discussion right above this one, but whatever. I can understand adding it back in for OriginalAirDate, I guess, but remember that we are trying to make this template smaller because of the template limitation issue. -- Ned Scott 01:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Sortable version in testing, see Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Sortable episode format. -- Ned Scott 19:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume that the cell containing ShortSummary is to stretch the length of the columns it's under. Currently, there seems to be code to calculate the number of defined columns that aren't the image column, and use that for the colspan; couldn't you simply use colspan="0"? From the HTML 4.01 spec, section 11.2.6: "The value zero ("0") means that the cell spans all columns from the current column to the last column of the column group (COLGROUP) in which the cell is defined." — TangentCube, Dialogues 11:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
After the extended discussion yesterday at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/List of Family Guy episodes, where it was determined that episode list pages should not routinely contain nonfree images for each episode, I've removed the relevant field from this template (again). Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I still consider this to be an admin decision against concensus of the community. But, I realized a while ago that Wikipedia is not Free nor free-content, just Wikipedia. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
It might help others to know that an image marker will be added that will allow downstream users (such as Wikia) to place images in the correct place, while maintaining an exact copy of the list as on Wikipedia. I know it's not much, but at least somewhere the effort of selecting those screen shots won't be wasted. -- Ned Scott 00:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
This change breaks a lot of pages and it was made without consensus. That isn't right. -- MZMcBride 00:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Man, I bet this'll lead to a lot of image deletions, how many bots are going to try and do this? Sorry, just trying to lighten up the mood. :) —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 09:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, with the removal of the images I believe this may bring some benefits... for example: we could now re-centre columns that need to be central, right? Matthew 14:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
ONLY if you don't have Image in your template. I was trying to swap a page to the template, and I left out the image tag cause ... well, we don't need it anymore. But when I left '|Image=No Screenshot.svg' out, the layout broke. See below. Look at the 'title' field.
Title | Original airdate | Production code | # |
---|---|---|---|
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar | |||
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Sorry about the difficulties. But isn't that just a mismatch between the header fields and the body? The template seems to assume the serial number goes to the left. Why don't you just say:
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
---|---|---|---|
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
---|---|---|---|
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Once all pages have been adjusted, you can go and get rid of the whole conditional machinery here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Once it's safe to completely remove the Image options in the template (when all the lists are updated correctly, etc) this should become the new table code. I've tested it at User:Ned Scott/sandbox4 and everything seems to work fine (minus those that still try to use a screen shot column). It also re-centers all the cells except for Title and ShortSummary, as it was before. -- Ned Scott 21:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
{{ edit protected}} Someone needs to revert Ed's edits to the template, as they have broken the template on many pages. -- Ned Scott 18:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so everyone knows, reverting Eg's edits will not put images back in. There are some formatting triggers that are caused by the Image parameter, but that is all, and the image tags themselves have already been removed. Code for the template once reformatting is done is noted in the above talk section, #New template code. -- Ned Scott 19:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
LineColor needs to be #{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}|{{{LineColor}}}|CCCCFF}}
to default correctly if undefined, but still listed in the template on the list. --
Ned Scott
00:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
File:Cellissue.jpg -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 19:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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fixed it, but it shouldn't have actually needed it. All the articles using the template seem fine. --
Ned Scott
03:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Given the size of this template (~1k) do we really need to worry about the 2MB total template limit. A few extra linebreaks won't hurt... ed g2s • talk 09:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
im new to this whole template thing but wondering but was checking to see if its possible to rearrange some of the categories... an example would be the List of Family Guy episodes family guy episode list. It was working fine before the images were removed, but after the columns have changed order. It would look a lot better if the total eps column was after the production code as opposed to after the season episode number... Is there any way to fix this now or does something have to been done to the template to get the desired effects? Grande13 17:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Basically Im wondering if there is any way to get the category episodenumber2 to appear after prod.code as opposed to right after the first episode number... Grande13 03:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
provides us with a list of pages using the Image parameter:
Yeesh, someone needs to go through here fixing them. A lot of them are messed up pretty badly. Apparently when you remove the images the number of columns is reduced by one and the ones that do remain are shuffled around, so it stops aligning with the table header. It's ugly. -- Cyde Weys 05:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Each page has to be not just edited, but carefully edited, as not everyone used the template exactly the same way. I'm picking them off one at a time, and it looks like we're under 500 pages needed editing. We should be able to 'fix' the ones with images in a couple days, or less, but basically we're going to have to look at every page calling this template and see what it's like. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
List of The Sarah Jane Adventures stories. The page itself uses {{ episode list}}, but the series itself will consist of "five two-part stories". In that case, the stories would be in serial format and would need to be in italics: see also Black Orchid, The King's Demons, The Sontaran Experiment. Will ( talk) 21:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
For a short that contains multiple shorts per show (see List of Pinky of the Brain episodes, which I am working on converting over to this template; other shows like Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures), is there a way to combine the subparts with this template such that, for a two sub-part episode, the "episode number" row-spans over 4 lines (1 line for 1st subpart title, date, etc, 2nd line for description, and then repeat for the second subpart). The way I started on the example page works if there's no other way around it, but I'm curious if there's any tricks I'm missing here. -- Masem 18:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
A season number column needs to be added to this template —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pascale989 ( talk • contribs).
You should create one table using this template for each season (not one single table inclusive of all seasons), making the season number unnecessary. See List of South Park episodes for an example. -- Masem 23:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Another option is using ProdCode or EpisodeNumber2 for the season number. -- Ned Scott 05:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Did not see this discussed elsewhere, so forgive me if I bring up a known issue.
List of Camp Lazlo episodes was using the {{Episode list}} template for only one season, but the other seasons were generic tables. So I went thru and updated everything to use the template and noticed that the tables break when you use a bullet (*) in the ShortSummary. The best example I can give you is to edit Season 3, and on episode #37, put a bullet (*) in front of the word "Valentine", and you'll see what I mean.
Thanks - Yngvarr 12:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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I think a description/summary on the same line/row as the other columns is necessary, particularly for sortable tables where another row will mess up the sorting. — Remag Kee 04:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Can I propose that we remove the automatic quote marks from the episode title section. The reason for this is, when you are going to provide verification of an episode title, it puts the citation inside the quote marks, instead on on the outside. It really isn't that much of a hassle to manually put in "", and this why we can follow policy and verify the title without having to put excessive, and extraneous information elsewhere just so we can mention it (i.e. Having to write 22 separate sentences below, mentioning the titles, just so you can source them). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Since Writer, Director, and to a lesser extent, Ratings, are used so often by the Aux parameters, I think these should be given actual named parameters (which was the whole point of making named parameters, it just makes it easier to tell what you are editing). Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 23:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Can the title= field be made optional?
When trying to add references the titles of some episodes the <ref></ref> tag is rendered inside the double-quoted around the episode title. I found one way around it, by placing the title in the Aux1= field and manually bolding and double-quoting, but becuase the title field is required, the list has an empty box. Thankyou -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 00:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The other thing I mentioned, the season page transclusion from
List of Lost episodes is pretty easy. Basically, each season page becomes a template (but only the episode table shows up) and is included on the list of episodes page. That way editors only have to update one episode box, and the changes are seen on both season and list page. For longer shows there's also the option of hiding the summary on the List of episodes page, but changes to title, air date, and other fields are still updated. --
Ned Scott
04:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Not sure whether this relates to the current discussion: I don't think the quotation marks should be bolded for the same reason they aren't bolded in article leads. – Pomte 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} I've noticed that a significant number of people type this template out manually, and those to whom "colour" is the native spelling often use that instead of "color", which causes the wrong colour to be displayed. So, an easy fix:
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{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}{{{LineColour|}}}|{{{LineColor|}}}{{{LineColour|}}}|CCCCFF}}
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This brings back TopColor, which was originally removed to make the template smaller and because no one used it. Since then we've removed the code for images and other tricks, there is more "room", and there are a few new situations where TopColor can now be used. Basically, it will be used to add alternating coloring for lists such as List of Lost episodes, and used to highlight special episodes within the list. I've tested this in my sandbox before hand (at User:Ned Scott/sandbox5 and User:Ned Scott/sandbox8. (userfied template at User:Ned Scott/sandbox4) This will have no effect on any list unless someone defines TopColor= for an entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ned Scott ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 12 January 2008
Here's what I'd like to do:
Add two new parameters/fields: "Director" and "Writer" (maybe "Ratings", but definitely director and writer)
They're used a lot, and probably more than things like AltTitle or AltAirDate. This would not replace any of the Aux fields (though guidelines suggesting that people shouldn't use a ton of fields would be good), but make a named field an option. The logic behind this is similar to the template's core goal, to make common fields easy to label, and to encourage their addition. Though, in lists where director(s) or writer(s) don't change often or at all, guidelines might suggest not needing them. People would have to start adopting this manually for it to catch on, but the find/replace functions of most text editors makes this an easy task.
and
One of the following: Remove automatic quotes or make another field for refs.
The logic behind this is that the template ideally is just like a database entry, and everything in "Title" should just be the title. Even if the formatting was changed so that ref links looked better, having the ref link in there could theoretically confuse things in the future. However, I might be thinking too much about it. KISS?
If the automatic quotes are removed, a bot will need to go through all the templates and add them in "manually", since most lists call for them.
Since the bot will basically be touching every single template, it would be the ideal time to do any other adjustments, such as naming of parameters. This is really a minor concern, but if anyone felt strongly about it, we could place underscores in the parameters. Basically "OriginalAirDate" vs "Original_air_date". Another minor thing, might not be worth worrying about, but I thought I would throw it out there.
And of course, making sure that the new size of the episode template doesn't break on large lists. Although, it might just be easier to make a second "light" version for those very large uses, since they are in the minority.
Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
"{{{title}}}"{{{title_ref}}}
and allow people to change the quotes to italics if they need to, e.g.
List of The Sarah Jane Adventures stories (so it would be: {{#ifeq:{{{italics}}}|yes|''{{{title}}}''|"{{{title}}}"}}
. Also support the use of writer and director fields.
Will (
talk)
12:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)See List of Lost episodes and Template:Episode list/Lost. Individual season LOEs are transcluded onto the main LOE. There's a few things this system does..
I really wanted to avoid using a separate template to make this work, but so far this seems to be the easiest and most practical way to make the trick work. The main reason for requiring the sub-tempalte is two things: one is that it needs to be defined what specific article will exclude either summaries and/or any other fields/paramaters, and two, actually configuring the displayed fields. All of these sub-templates are still using the main episode template, and any updates to the main template are carried over to them, decreasing maintenance. Making them a sub-page will make them easier to track. For many shows that's one template being used for five or even ten articles.
Another possible benefit is that people could define LineColor once, instead of for every entry. By default it would look the same for each season table, but there might be tricks to allow further customization (I have some stuff in mind, but haven't tried them out).
One cool thing feature of season/LOE trick is that it can make the every other line a varying color (like what's seen on List of The Simpsons episodes). This is done on the sub-tempalte level (as see on Template:Episode list/Lost) and works automatically based on odd and even numbers from EpisodeNumber. The two colors are definable, or that variation of two BG colors can be taken out completely.
A few other lists have tried this out as well, as seen on List of The Wire episodes and List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, so I thought it would be a good time to get some feedback on it, as well as any suggestions about this method. I'm not sure what strain this does on the servers, or if that even is a concern. If everything is okay, then we should be good with writing up some instructions and trying this on a larger scale. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Another thought for this method is simply what may or may not be preferred, from a stylistic approach. Not all shows use season pages, and even some that do, people often still like seeing a summary on the main LOE. Season pages are good because, from a size perspective, you can have a little more summary without it looking weird, for those lists without individual episode articles. As many of you know, individual episodes (WP:EPISODE) is its own debate right now. I hope to approach this from a neutral position for the template's sake, so regardless of episode notability, we have some discussion on how this template might work in either situation. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Several lists are still using light color line separators, which used to look fine with an older version of the template, but are kind of an eyesore now. Another minor issue, but we might want to throw together simple little "pallets" of colors that look good, and place those suggestions on the doc page (or something). As well as fixing the ones already being used.
Another change from an older version is that backgrounds for tables are no longer white (this was done a while ago). The idea is that by not forcing white, people can be more flexible with the template, and it makes more sense to define that value for the whole table at the table header. However, most lists still look better with the white contrast, so another possible to-do (in addition to the adjustment of light-color LineColor) is to insert these into articles as well.
Not asking anyone to do these things, necessarily, but just making people aware of them. I plan to do as much as I can myself for these little updates. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I did some testing in my sandbox, and as far as I can tell Template:Episode list/draft won't break anything, and should work with new DirectedBy and WrittenBy fields. In addition, I had a clever idea for what to do about the refs in titles, as well as any other options one might want for a title: RTitle. When trying to think of a name for a parameter, I kept thinking of "RawTitle", which, as it sounds, would be a title without any formatting. But at the same time many people would want something like "ReferenceTitle", because they don't want to loose the formatting, they just want an additional option for references. The result was "RTitle". If you don't define "Title", you can use "RTitle" instead to replace the title, or you can use "RTitle" with "Title" for references after the formatting.
Also, right now I have the order DirectedBy then WrittenBy. I'm not sure what order is used more, or if it matters or not.
If there are no objections/comments/whatever then we should be clear to make an edit request. -- Ned Scott 07:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please replace the entire contents of Template:Episode list with this. -- Ned Scott 04:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, something I didn't think about, besides the order of DirectedBy and WrittenBy, there is the order with the Aux. For example:
Aux1 | Aux2 | Aux3 | DirectedBy | WrittenBy
or
DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux1 | Aux2 | Aux3
or.. we can split them, to give an option
Aux1 | DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux2 | Aux3
I bring this up because I did find one page that would need to use an Aux before a WrittenBy, List of RahXephon media. Granted it's probably out of the ordinary, it made me think if there are any other concerns regarding if Aux should go in front or behind. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 05:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Please replace the entire contents of
Template:Episode list with
this.
Retested, and it doesn't break anything. I think at most we'll just need to advice people to never use all 12 possible cells at once, but I doubt that will ever be a problem. -- Ned Scott 03:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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Please replace the entire contents of Template:Episode list with this. This is a minor update to fix some extra padding in the ShortSummary cell, and to also add {{ Documentation}}. -- Ned Scott 08:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure how widespread the use of these new parameters are yet, but Matthewedwards left this note on my talk page that might be worth considering:
So far it's just been a toss up on the order, so I can go either way myself. If this is a good indication on a better order, and it wouldn't cause too much clean up, then I'd be fine with making another change, but I thought I would see what others thought first. -- Ned Scott 05:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I think there needs to be a field to reference the AltTitle outside of the quotes. -- Jamie jca ( talk) 19:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the template has HTML anchors of form ep{{{EpisodeNumber}}} and pc{{{ProdCode}}}. I think these would be more likely to be used without the prefix, like {{{EpisodeNumber}}} and {{{ProdCode}}} . Superm401 - Talk 19:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
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This is a direct copy of Template:Digimon episode. I hope to have this turned into a generalized template for ALL episodes. Likely this will include a HUGE list of variables in the template which will account for any specifics for episode lists. Anyway, I hope to make a few adjustments to this template sometime soon so we can begin using it for any episode list. Contributions are welcome and encouraged. -- Will2k 03:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's some ideas I've thrown together, the parameters are:
{{Episode list |Image= |Title= |AltTitle= (optional) |Aux1= generic column 1 (optional) |Aux2= generic column 2 (optional) |OriginalAirDate= |AltDate= next significant air date, such as the first English air date of an anime (optional) |ProdCode= (optional) |EpisodeNumber= |ShortSummary= (optional) |LineColor= when none is specified it defaults to #CCCCFF }}
Example:
# | Screenshot | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
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Works great so far. Also note that I fixed some of the extra space found in the originals ( List of South Park episodes#Season 1: 1997-1998) o.O -- Ned Scott 07:29, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
Here's an initial list of items I think can be applied to all episode lists:
Am I missing any?-- Will2k 05:51, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I kinda like the list as proposed above. I think that adding more info to it is just gonna clutter it up (esp. directed/written by). For most lists this info isn't really important. You might as well look it up in another directory (which probably will provide more relevant information), by using the info of the list. Or in case the show has TV episode articles, in the article itself. I'm still pondering about the airdate issues. I mean we can't go adding airdates for all english speaking coutries of course. Personally i think definetly "original airdate" (in coutry of original broadcast) should be there. However how to go from there, i'm not really sure. Aditionally I'm thinking we might link to tv.com entries for eps or something simpler. I'm just a little afraid because I don't want ppl getting into an argument over "which review site is better/should be used". - The DJ 19:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Looking at this template, i just realise that even though a summery is optional, an image is not. I propose the following layout, which would allow this, in it's most expanded and shortest mode. - The DJ 21:11, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
# | Screenshot | English title (top) Japanese title (bottom) |
Aux1 | Aux2 | Original Air Date |
English Air Date |
P# |
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1 | File:Wikipedia-screenshot.png | "
the title of this episode" "title2" |
aux1 | aux2 | date1 | date2 | prod# |
blablablabla | |||||||
# | Title | Original Air Date |
---|---|---|
1 | "The title of this episode" | date1 |
The only problem with this, and with all optional feilds, is that if one entry displays an image, and the second does not, the table will look like this:
# | Screenshot | English title (top) Japanese title (bottom) |
Original Air Date |
||||
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1 | File:Wikipedia-screenshot.png | "
the title of this episode" "title2" |
date1 | ||||
blablablabla | |||||||
2 | "The title of this episode" | date1 | |||||
This is also my current dilemma for the "Aux" and "AltDate" fields as well. I've been reading the Help:Advanced templates help pages to see what options there are. But yeah, if I can figure something out then image will also be an optional field. -- Ned Scott 22:05, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code | |||
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01 | "
Blah Title" | TBA | TBA | August 01, 2013 | TBA | 101 |
This is a short summary. |
Can we get a couple more auxiliary fields added? Or better yet, can we get "writer" and "director" added as standard (but possibly optional) fields, leaving "Aux" for truly auxiliary, series-specific information? I'm thinking of "mytharc" episodes for The X-Files, character flashbacks for Lost, or celebrity cameos for The Simpsons -- Soren.harward 15:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I have done some editing and cleaned things up a bit. I have managed to get the entire first season of South Park working with this template. It can be found in my sandbox here. I can't figure out why the South Park table doesn't have all the lines there. Anyone? -- Will2k 01:57, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
I know we still have some lose ends to tie up on the template and such, but I was thinking that maybe we should change the name of the template to Template:Episode list or something like that. -- Ned Scott 21:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
I moved the episode number to be listed at the other end of the listing, as it's done in some of the featured lists. I think I can add a thing to make it so one can select either side, but I figured this should be the default. -- Ned Scott 13:29, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't believe english colour codes are working (eg. white instead of FFFFFF). Can someone confirm or deny?-- Will2k 18:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that List of Stargate SG-1 episodes used a format of 150px for their images, so I made an ImageSize parameter. Still defaults to 125px when none is defined. -- Ned Scott 09:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Although a good idea in itself, I find this template unnecessary. The table markup was actually simpler and easier to read! By trying to standardise, you've introduced a hundred variables to account for the fact that episode lists aren't standardised. You should start a discussion for a Wikipedia policy on standards for episode lists, and then cut down the variables. Alternatively, this template can be used on some episode lists but not all.
However, even on the pages it is being used, it is quite a nightmare. It seems to introduce empty rows and ugly lines, disrupts the column headers, breaks apart the whole style of the article. This kind of template-ification is just not needed and is actually a step in a worse direction. The table markup was clean, simple and short.
With List of Stargate SG-1 episodes in mind, I would not like to use this template. Furthermore, I think that WikiProject Television really needs to look into making this template work better, or otherwise scrapping it and just generating a non-template-ified policy for episode list standards. -- Alfakim -- talk 14:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
|- |rowspan="2"| [[Image:Children of the Gods 1.jpg|150px]] || '''[[Children of the Gods (Stargate SG-1)|Children of the Gods (Part 1)]]''' || [[July 27]], [[1997]] || 101A |- |colspan="6"| The Stargate programme is brought back into action when the alien [[Apophis (Stargate)|Apophis]] attacks Earth through the gate. He is of the same race as the dead [[Ra (Stargate)|Ra]]. [[Jack O'Neill]], with new recruit [[Samantha Carter]], are sent to locate [[Daniel Jackson]].
is easier to read than
{{Episode list |Image=Children of the Gods 1.jpg |Title=[[Children of the Gods (Stargate SG-1)|Children of the Gods (Part 1)]] |OriginalAirDate=[[July 27]], [[1997]] |ProdCode=101A |EpisodeNumber=1 |ShortSummary=The Stargate programme is brought back into action when the alien [[Apophis (Stargate)|Apophis]] attacks Earth through the gate. He is of the same race as the dead [[Ra (Stargate)|Ra]]. [[Jack O'Neill]], with new recruit [[Samantha Carter]], are sent to locate [[Daniel Jackson]]. }}
is utter nonsense to me. Any problems with header widths are usually the fault of an improperly formatted table header. If it looks funny to you, as suggested, post a screenshot and point out the issues. The template is purposely flexible enough to account for nearly any issues. -- Will2k 20:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
For template calls without an image, the template should default to this image: Image:No_Screenshot.svg. Nothing else is neutral enough for fair use, without being obtrusive. Having a default image helps to keep cells the right size, and stops the table from looking plain shoddy and incomplete. -- Alfakim -- talk 14:45, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I used the template to make the List of Dirty Jobs episodes and found a few issues with the template:
On an unrelated note, might I suggest using a fake episode instead of a Southpark episode for the Example? While I'm sure it's a funny episode, the episode title might distract from your goal of widescale usage. -- Gogo Dodo 09:07, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
While this template was being used for List of Xiaolin Showdown episodes, we figured out that the LineColor parameter does not yield any effects in Internet Explorer. Is there any way to ameliorate this? Ryulong 00:33, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
This doens't seem to work with empty cells. I'm trying to make a page for Third Watch here but I don't want to have to fill in every single entry at one time. How do I fix this? Is seems like this is worse than a simple table with rowspan ="2" and colspan="5" although I agree the || || || || isn't as nice. For example
Image | Title | Credited Writers | Director | Original Airdate | # |
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If that's the only way to have empty cells then we should switch. I must be missing something. - Peregrinefisher 04:51, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
. The optional cell thing has been bothering me, and there should be a better way to handle it, but I'm not really sure how yet. I'll post on some talk pages, maybe leave a message at the village pump, and see if anyone has any good suggestions. --
Ned Scott
05:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)While on the topic of improving the template, I keep forgetting to note the page anchors via "id" thing that
Farix and I were playing around with a few nights ago. I can't remember the proper terminology for it, but I think it's "page anchor". Like the Table of Contents, it would allow us to jump to a specific point in an article, such as a specific episode on a list. For example
List of The X-Files episodes#ep21-121. Right now it's set up to use either the EpisodeNumber or ProdCode parameters as the last value, [[List of Show Name episodes#
(ep or pc)(number)]]
. Here's a copy of the discussion Farix and I were having:
Basically I figured one would use one or the other, but not both. I've seen lists where the ep number resets for each season, so I figured another alternative might be good for those lists. But yeah, there's probably a better way of doing that.. Any ideas? -- Ned Scott 22:35, 8 August 2006 (UTC) Including the season number may be a way to go about it, but that means adding an extra field to the templates. But perhaps the best way would be to use the episode title instead. -- TheFarix ( Talk) 22:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
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So that's basically where we're at. Suggestions? Comments? -- Ned Scott 05:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
New template code being tested. See WT:LOE#un-filled parameters are no longer an issue -- Ned Scott 09:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Curly braces are showing up in the color bar, at least on my monitor. - Peregrinefisher 01:24, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
How can I change yhe color of the color bar? Can I do it once per table or does it have to be done for each row? - Peregrinefisher 04:06, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
|LineColor=
For the bottom line color, value in hex
web colors without pound sign (#)|TopColor=
For the "title" row, value in hex
web colors without pound sign (#){|class="wikitable plainrowheaders" ! Screenshot !! Title !! Original air date !! E# |- | colspan="3" bgcolor="#FFA040" | {{Episode list
What should I do if I want to include more than 2 fields that don't have a special parameter? I want to include the episodes number overall and within a season. Writer and Director are allready taking up Aux1 and Aux2. I could use prod num or alternate date, but that doesn't seem right. - Peregrinefisher 22:27, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
|EpisodeNumber2=
I Just forgot to add it to the instructions :D --
Ned Scott
00:51, 4 September 2006 (UTC)What's the best way to put references in table header? Say for tv.com and production code. I did this, but it doesn't look right. - Peregrinefisher 23:03, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
I've been standardising the list of Yu-Gi-Oh! episodes and there's something that I can't really seem to work out. It's at my Work Area. It can only go up to 210 boxes and then it goes screwy. I've tried removing some and it only goes up to 210 boxes. Maybe you could take a look, I'm not good at this coding stuff. (please don't point me to Template:Japanese episode list, I've worked on this for 6 hours and I just found out about that template, and I don't want to do it all over again. Template:nihongo works better for me.) - Zero1328 Talk? 09:47, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
See also: #Limits part 2
If I want to create a matching table, how would I go about doing that? I really love the layout of this table and while I get most of the wiki table code, I see two problems. First is the separator line between each episode entry, then the photo and caption. I'm sure I can figure out the rest, but could someone give me a code hint on how to accomplish those two things?
I worked on an episode list for Rome which is located here. I suggested it on the talk page, but someone rightly pointed out that if we implement it, then the other tables in the Rome article should match.
I'm willing to work on those tables, but I'm having trouble finding a way to put in that separator line (without text) and the photo thing. Any help is much appreciated. MagnoliaSouth | Talk 04:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="width:95%;" |- ! A !! B !! C !! D |- ! E !! colspan="3" | F |- | align="center"| a | align="center"| b | align="center"| c | align="center"| d |- | align="center"| e | style="background:white" colspan="3" | f |- style="background:#CCCCFF; height:2px" | colspan="4" | |}
A | B | C | D |
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E | F | ||
a | b | c | d |
e | f | ||
{| class="wikitable plainrowheaders" style="width:95%;" |- ! A !! B !! C !! D |- | align="center" rowspan="2"| a | align="center"| b | align="center"| c | align="center"| d |- | style="background:white" colspan="3" | f |- style="background:#CCCCFF; height:2px" | colspan="4" | |}
A | B | C | D |
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a | b | c | d |
f | |||
The colored seperator line isn't showing up in my IE. Is there anything we can do? Ned? - Peregrinefisher 08:49, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
Check out List of South Park episodes. There are some extra columns without data showing up there.... Is this the result of a recent template change?-- GunnarRene 16:52, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Is there a way of entering the image size just at the top, instead of entering it for each episode image Gman124 21:18, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
See also: #Limit?
I'm having the same problem right now on List of One Piece episodes. I'm trying to add episode 297, but it goes all screwy, like Zero said. Also, Template:One Piece general at the bottom of the page hasn't been working for a while either, and I think it's related. The Splendiferous Gegiford 18:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
There appears to be the same problem in List of ER episodes, the template doesn't work correctly for the last episodes. This is not caused by the large number of transclusions, but by the article size: if your shorten some of the episode descriptions (and look at the preview) the problem goes away; if you insert some text somewhere, it happens earlier in the list. -- memset 16:25, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Everyone's having the same problem because of Template limits. If you view the source for one of the impacted pages (e.g. List of One Piece episodes), you'll see this:
Pre-expand include size: 2042426 bytes Post-expand include size: 474690 bytes Template argument size: 593060 bytes Maximum: 2048000 bytes
Every time a template is used, regardless of whether or not all or some of the parameters being used, it stacks up and creates a large pre-expand include size. Once that pre-expand include size hits the maximum (currently 2048000 bytes), template transclusion begins to fail. The same problem was seen in Template:Length conversion when someone tried to combine every type of length conversion into a giant template using #switch's. One patch/temporary fix is to move all documentation to a separate page, doing what is called Template doc page pattern. That can help alleviate some of the issue. With this template, it's using something I've never seen and don't understand: ParaCheck123. If that is truly necessary, then one option is shortening it to PC123. Any time a template is transcluded hundreds of times, there's exponential growth with something that seemingly simple. If ParaCheck123 isn't necessary, removing it would free up a lot of pre-expand size, and the problem would probably be fixed. Cheers. -- MZMcBride 01:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
OK, so we need to seriously cut down on the bytes in the template itself. That definetly can be done. For instance i'm pretty sure: {{ #ifeq: {{{Aux1|ParaCheck123}}} | ParaCheck123 | 0 | 1 }} + can also be written as {{#ifeq:{{{Aux1|}}}||0|1}}+. It won't be as readable, but it'll work. We can also save a ton of whitespace, and indeed move the doc to somewhere else.
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Request to temporarily make this page semi protected in order to do some serious weeding. --
TheDJ (
talk •
contribs •
WikiProject Television)
02:54, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
Ah, just thought of something we could cut out easily. TopColor, I've never seen it used (no one will miss it) and it can be safely cut. Not much, but it's something for now. Please replace template page contents with
this. --
Ned Scott
04:49, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
We should make a test version of a "standard" page however to test if everything still works. But these chagnes will surely help -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 05:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
#expr: {{#ifeq:{{{Aux1|PC}}}|PC|0|1}}+
should be removed as well. See
my sandbox for the code. --
MZMcBride
05:57, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
This not only uses less data, but the line colors there will now work in Internet Explorer. -- Ned Scott 07:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
If anyone's interested, I got the code down to exactly 2000 characters (coincidence!) here, and the results for sundry formats are here. The character count could be brought lower if a couple dozen spaces here and there were removed. My version uses wikitext tables, and not tr/td/th stuff. If the latter were implemented it could probably go well under 1000 characters. Of course, no need in being so efficient if makes the code unreadable. Gracenotes T § 03:59, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Oh, and then there's also Template:Japanese episode list. At the time I was fiddling around with the templates, I wanted to do something to make them more attractive for their adoption. I edit a lot of anime articles, and I knew that naming the parameters specifically (although only a few) can often be of a big help. This template also adds an additional title element for the Japanese character set. Other than that, it is the same as this template. -- Ned Scott 05:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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Just as about as stripped down as we can without breaking any articles, this version of my sandbox page is ready to replace the contents of this template. I have tested the sandbox template at User:Ned Scott/sandbox2, User:Ned Scott/sandbox4, and tested a few randomly picked articles (see this history for March 14th for different articles being tested with the sandbox template). All tests worked without any problems, except that some articles will need to change from using lighter colors in their color bars to look better. (This is something pretty much inevitable, since it's also the only way to fix the linecolor for Internet Explorer.) All we need now is an admin to copy this into the template. -- Ned Scott 05:57, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It doesn't happen with ep1 and ep2 being both used when images are being used, so it has something to do when the template is triggered to flip the numbers from the right side (image format) to the left side (no image format). So far I haven't figured it out yet. -- Ned Scott 09:21, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
updated template is ready to go. -- Ned Scott 09:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
I hate to request another edit so fast, when we were trying to keep the edit count for the template low, but
this edit will fix the IE problem. --
Ned Scott
13:11, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The image captions aren't working for me right now. It may have something to do with the recent changes, I don't know. - Peregrine Fisher 18:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Ok, ImageCaption back in, IE fix, and come further code optimization (by User:MZMcBride): replace template with this. -- Ned Scott 00:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Not centering the date doesn't look right. It's probably the same with some other fields that I don't use. - Peregrine Fisher 04:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi, please change: <td>{{{OriginalAirDate}}}</td> to <td align="center">{{{OriginalAirDate}}}</td>. This well centralise the date. Thanks. Matthew 22:42, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Wow, thanks guys for completely ignoring the discussion right above this one, but whatever. I can understand adding it back in for OriginalAirDate, I guess, but remember that we are trying to make this template smaller because of the template limitation issue. -- Ned Scott 01:28, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
Sortable version in testing, see Talk:List of The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya episodes#Sortable episode format. -- Ned Scott 19:20, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
I assume that the cell containing ShortSummary is to stretch the length of the columns it's under. Currently, there seems to be code to calculate the number of defined columns that aren't the image column, and use that for the colspan; couldn't you simply use colspan="0"? From the HTML 4.01 spec, section 11.2.6: "The value zero ("0") means that the cell spans all columns from the current column to the last column of the column group (COLGROUP) in which the cell is defined." — TangentCube, Dialogues 11:53, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
After the extended discussion yesterday at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/List of Family Guy episodes, where it was determined that episode list pages should not routinely contain nonfree images for each episode, I've removed the relevant field from this template (again). Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
P.S. I still consider this to be an admin decision against concensus of the community. But, I realized a while ago that Wikipedia is not Free nor free-content, just Wikipedia. -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 23:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
It might help others to know that an image marker will be added that will allow downstream users (such as Wikia) to place images in the correct place, while maintaining an exact copy of the list as on Wikipedia. I know it's not much, but at least somewhere the effort of selecting those screen shots won't be wasted. -- Ned Scott 00:34, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
This change breaks a lot of pages and it was made without consensus. That isn't right. -- MZMcBride 00:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Man, I bet this'll lead to a lot of image deletions, how many bots are going to try and do this? Sorry, just trying to lighten up the mood. :) —May the Edit be with you, always. (T-borg) (drop me a line) 09:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, with the removal of the images I believe this may bring some benefits... for example: we could now re-centre columns that need to be central, right? Matthew 14:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
ONLY if you don't have Image in your template. I was trying to swap a page to the template, and I left out the image tag cause ... well, we don't need it anymore. But when I left '|Image=No Screenshot.svg' out, the layout broke. See below. Look at the 'title' field.
Title | Original airdate | Production code | # |
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01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar | |||
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Sorry about the difficulties. But isn't that just a mismatch between the header fields and the body? The template seems to assume the serial number goes to the left. Why don't you just say:
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
---|---|---|---|
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Fut.Perf. ☼ 17:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
# | Title | Original airdate | Production code |
---|---|---|---|
01 | "Pilot" | Today | 101 |
Foobar |
Once all pages have been adjusted, you can go and get rid of the whole conditional machinery here. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Once it's safe to completely remove the Image options in the template (when all the lists are updated correctly, etc) this should become the new table code. I've tested it at User:Ned Scott/sandbox4 and everything seems to work fine (minus those that still try to use a screen shot column). It also re-centers all the cells except for Title and ShortSummary, as it was before. -- Ned Scott 21:07, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
{{ edit protected}} Someone needs to revert Ed's edits to the template, as they have broken the template on many pages. -- Ned Scott 18:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
Just so everyone knows, reverting Eg's edits will not put images back in. There are some formatting triggers that are caused by the Image parameter, but that is all, and the image tags themselves have already been removed. Code for the template once reformatting is done is noted in the above talk section, #New template code. -- Ned Scott 19:23, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
LineColor needs to be #{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}|{{{LineColor}}}|CCCCFF}}
to default correctly if undefined, but still listed in the template on the list. --
Ned Scott
00:33, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
File:Cellissue.jpg -- TheDJ ( talk • contribs • WikiProject Television) 19:20, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
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fixed it, but it shouldn't have actually needed it. All the articles using the template seem fine. --
Ned Scott
03:10, 7 May 2007 (UTC)Given the size of this template (~1k) do we really need to worry about the 2MB total template limit. A few extra linebreaks won't hurt... ed g2s • talk 09:56, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
im new to this whole template thing but wondering but was checking to see if its possible to rearrange some of the categories... an example would be the List of Family Guy episodes family guy episode list. It was working fine before the images were removed, but after the columns have changed order. It would look a lot better if the total eps column was after the production code as opposed to after the season episode number... Is there any way to fix this now or does something have to been done to the template to get the desired effects? Grande13 17:54, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Basically Im wondering if there is any way to get the category episodenumber2 to appear after prod.code as opposed to right after the first episode number... Grande13 03:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
provides us with a list of pages using the Image parameter:
Yeesh, someone needs to go through here fixing them. A lot of them are messed up pretty badly. Apparently when you remove the images the number of columns is reduced by one and the ones that do remain are shuffled around, so it stops aligning with the table header. It's ugly. -- Cyde Weys 05:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
Each page has to be not just edited, but carefully edited, as not everyone used the template exactly the same way. I'm picking them off one at a time, and it looks like we're under 500 pages needed editing. We should be able to 'fix' the ones with images in a couple days, or less, but basically we're going to have to look at every page calling this template and see what it's like. -- Ipstenu ( talk| contribs) 19:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
List of The Sarah Jane Adventures stories. The page itself uses {{ episode list}}, but the series itself will consist of "five two-part stories". In that case, the stories would be in serial format and would need to be in italics: see also Black Orchid, The King's Demons, The Sontaran Experiment. Will ( talk) 21:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
For a short that contains multiple shorts per show (see List of Pinky of the Brain episodes, which I am working on converting over to this template; other shows like Animaniacs and Tiny Toon Adventures), is there a way to combine the subparts with this template such that, for a two sub-part episode, the "episode number" row-spans over 4 lines (1 line for 1st subpart title, date, etc, 2nd line for description, and then repeat for the second subpart). The way I started on the example page works if there's no other way around it, but I'm curious if there's any tricks I'm missing here. -- Masem 18:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
A season number column needs to be added to this template —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Pascale989 ( talk • contribs).
You should create one table using this template for each season (not one single table inclusive of all seasons), making the season number unnecessary. See List of South Park episodes for an example. -- Masem 23:49, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
Another option is using ProdCode or EpisodeNumber2 for the season number. -- Ned Scott 05:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
Did not see this discussed elsewhere, so forgive me if I bring up a known issue.
List of Camp Lazlo episodes was using the {{Episode list}} template for only one season, but the other seasons were generic tables. So I went thru and updated everything to use the template and noticed that the tables break when you use a bullet (*) in the ShortSummary. The best example I can give you is to edit Season 3, and on episode #37, put a bullet (*) in front of the word "Valentine", and you'll see what I mean.
Thanks - Yngvarr 12:40, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
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<tr style="text-align: center; {{#ifeq:{{{ShortSummary|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |background:#F2F2F2}}">{{ #ifeq:{{{EpisodeNumber|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td id="ep{{{EpisodeNumber}}}">{{{EpisodeNumber}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{EpisodeNumber2|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{EpisodeNumber2}}}</td>}} <td style="text-align: left;">{{#if:{{{Title|}}}|'''"{{{Title}}}"'''}}{{#if:{{{AltTitle|}}}|<br />"{{{AltTitle}}}"}}</td>{{ #ifeq:{{{Aux1|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{Aux1}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{Aux2|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{Aux2}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{Aux3|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{Aux3}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{OriginalAirDate|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{OriginalAirDate}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{AltDate|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td>{{{AltDate}}}</td>}}{{ #ifeq:{{{ProdCode|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<td id="pc{{{ProdCode}}}">{{{ProdCode}}}</td>}}</tr>{{ #ifeq:{{{ShortSummary|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |<tr><td style="border-bottom:3px solid #{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}|{{{LineColor}}}|CCCCFF}}" colspan="{{#expr:{{#ifeq:{{{Aux1|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{Aux2|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{Aux3|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{AltDate|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{ProdCode|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{Title|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{EpisodeNumber|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+{{#ifeq:{{{EpisodeNumber2|ʁ}}}|ʁ|0|1}}+1}}"> {{{ShortSummary|}}} </td></tr> }}{{#ifeq:{{{Image|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |[[Template:Episode list/withimages|<span style="display: none;">-</span>]]}}<noinclude>{{/doc}}</noinclude>
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I think a description/summary on the same line/row as the other columns is necessary, particularly for sortable tables where another row will mess up the sorting. — Remag Kee 04:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
Can I propose that we remove the automatic quote marks from the episode title section. The reason for this is, when you are going to provide verification of an episode title, it puts the citation inside the quote marks, instead on on the outside. It really isn't that much of a hassle to manually put in "", and this why we can follow policy and verify the title without having to put excessive, and extraneous information elsewhere just so we can mention it (i.e. Having to write 22 separate sentences below, mentioning the titles, just so you can source them). BIGNOLE (Contact me) 14:03, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Since Writer, Director, and to a lesser extent, Ratings, are used so often by the Aux parameters, I think these should be given actual named parameters (which was the whole point of making named parameters, it just makes it easier to tell what you are editing). Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 23:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Can the title= field be made optional?
When trying to add references the titles of some episodes the <ref></ref> tag is rendered inside the double-quoted around the episode title. I found one way around it, by placing the title in the Aux1= field and manually bolding and double-quoting, but becuase the title field is required, the list has an empty box. Thankyou -- Matthew Edwards | talk | Contribs 00:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
The other thing I mentioned, the season page transclusion from
List of Lost episodes is pretty easy. Basically, each season page becomes a template (but only the episode table shows up) and is included on the list of episodes page. That way editors only have to update one episode box, and the changes are seen on both season and list page. For longer shows there's also the option of hiding the summary on the List of episodes page, but changes to title, air date, and other fields are still updated. --
Ned Scott
04:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Not sure whether this relates to the current discussion: I don't think the quotation marks should be bolded for the same reason they aren't bolded in article leads. – Pomte 22:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} I've noticed that a significant number of people type this template out manually, and those to whom "colour" is the native spelling often use that instead of "color", which causes the wrong colour to be displayed. So, an easy fix:
{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}|{{{LineColor}}}|CCCCFF}}
{{#if:{{{LineColor|}}}{{{LineColour|}}}|{{{LineColor|}}}{{{LineColour|}}}|CCCCFF}}
-- Huntster T • @ • C 17:15, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
<!-- Pre-expand include size: 319342/2048000 bytes Post-expand include size: 175402/2048000 bytes Template argument size: 165370/2048000 bytes #ifexist count: 0/500 -->
{{ Editprotected}} Please edit the very first line of the template and replace it with:
<tr style="text-align: center; {{#if:{{{TopColor|}}}|background:#{{{TopColor}}}|{{#ifeq:{{{ShortSummary|ʁ}}}|ʁ| |background:#F2F2F2}} }}">{{
This brings back TopColor, which was originally removed to make the template smaller and because no one used it. Since then we've removed the code for images and other tricks, there is more "room", and there are a few new situations where TopColor can now be used. Basically, it will be used to add alternating coloring for lists such as List of Lost episodes, and used to highlight special episodes within the list. I've tested this in my sandbox before hand (at User:Ned Scott/sandbox5 and User:Ned Scott/sandbox8. (userfied template at User:Ned Scott/sandbox4) This will have no effect on any list unless someone defines TopColor= for an entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ned Scott ( talk • contribs) 08:15, 12 January 2008
Here's what I'd like to do:
Add two new parameters/fields: "Director" and "Writer" (maybe "Ratings", but definitely director and writer)
They're used a lot, and probably more than things like AltTitle or AltAirDate. This would not replace any of the Aux fields (though guidelines suggesting that people shouldn't use a ton of fields would be good), but make a named field an option. The logic behind this is similar to the template's core goal, to make common fields easy to label, and to encourage their addition. Though, in lists where director(s) or writer(s) don't change often or at all, guidelines might suggest not needing them. People would have to start adopting this manually for it to catch on, but the find/replace functions of most text editors makes this an easy task.
and
One of the following: Remove automatic quotes or make another field for refs.
The logic behind this is that the template ideally is just like a database entry, and everything in "Title" should just be the title. Even if the formatting was changed so that ref links looked better, having the ref link in there could theoretically confuse things in the future. However, I might be thinking too much about it. KISS?
If the automatic quotes are removed, a bot will need to go through all the templates and add them in "manually", since most lists call for them.
Since the bot will basically be touching every single template, it would be the ideal time to do any other adjustments, such as naming of parameters. This is really a minor concern, but if anyone felt strongly about it, we could place underscores in the parameters. Basically "OriginalAirDate" vs "Original_air_date". Another minor thing, might not be worth worrying about, but I thought I would throw it out there.
And of course, making sure that the new size of the episode template doesn't break on large lists. Although, it might just be easier to make a second "light" version for those very large uses, since they are in the minority.
Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
"{{{title}}}"{{{title_ref}}}
and allow people to change the quotes to italics if they need to, e.g.
List of The Sarah Jane Adventures stories (so it would be: {{#ifeq:{{{italics}}}|yes|''{{{title}}}''|"{{{title}}}"}}
. Also support the use of writer and director fields.
Will (
talk)
12:36, 1 February 2008 (UTC)See List of Lost episodes and Template:Episode list/Lost. Individual season LOEs are transcluded onto the main LOE. There's a few things this system does..
I really wanted to avoid using a separate template to make this work, but so far this seems to be the easiest and most practical way to make the trick work. The main reason for requiring the sub-tempalte is two things: one is that it needs to be defined what specific article will exclude either summaries and/or any other fields/paramaters, and two, actually configuring the displayed fields. All of these sub-templates are still using the main episode template, and any updates to the main template are carried over to them, decreasing maintenance. Making them a sub-page will make them easier to track. For many shows that's one template being used for five or even ten articles.
Another possible benefit is that people could define LineColor once, instead of for every entry. By default it would look the same for each season table, but there might be tricks to allow further customization (I have some stuff in mind, but haven't tried them out).
One cool thing feature of season/LOE trick is that it can make the every other line a varying color (like what's seen on List of The Simpsons episodes). This is done on the sub-tempalte level (as see on Template:Episode list/Lost) and works automatically based on odd and even numbers from EpisodeNumber. The two colors are definable, or that variation of two BG colors can be taken out completely.
A few other lists have tried this out as well, as seen on List of The Wire episodes and List of Stargate SG-1 episodes, so I thought it would be a good time to get some feedback on it, as well as any suggestions about this method. I'm not sure what strain this does on the servers, or if that even is a concern. If everything is okay, then we should be good with writing up some instructions and trying this on a larger scale. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Another thought for this method is simply what may or may not be preferred, from a stylistic approach. Not all shows use season pages, and even some that do, people often still like seeing a summary on the main LOE. Season pages are good because, from a size perspective, you can have a little more summary without it looking weird, for those lists without individual episode articles. As many of you know, individual episodes (WP:EPISODE) is its own debate right now. I hope to approach this from a neutral position for the template's sake, so regardless of episode notability, we have some discussion on how this template might work in either situation. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
Several lists are still using light color line separators, which used to look fine with an older version of the template, but are kind of an eyesore now. Another minor issue, but we might want to throw together simple little "pallets" of colors that look good, and place those suggestions on the doc page (or something). As well as fixing the ones already being used.
Another change from an older version is that backgrounds for tables are no longer white (this was done a while ago). The idea is that by not forcing white, people can be more flexible with the template, and it makes more sense to define that value for the whole table at the table header. However, most lists still look better with the white contrast, so another possible to-do (in addition to the adjustment of light-color LineColor) is to insert these into articles as well.
Not asking anyone to do these things, necessarily, but just making people aware of them. I plan to do as much as I can myself for these little updates. -- Ned Scott 06:12, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
I did some testing in my sandbox, and as far as I can tell Template:Episode list/draft won't break anything, and should work with new DirectedBy and WrittenBy fields. In addition, I had a clever idea for what to do about the refs in titles, as well as any other options one might want for a title: RTitle. When trying to think of a name for a parameter, I kept thinking of "RawTitle", which, as it sounds, would be a title without any formatting. But at the same time many people would want something like "ReferenceTitle", because they don't want to loose the formatting, they just want an additional option for references. The result was "RTitle". If you don't define "Title", you can use "RTitle" instead to replace the title, or you can use "RTitle" with "Title" for references after the formatting.
Also, right now I have the order DirectedBy then WrittenBy. I'm not sure what order is used more, or if it matters or not.
If there are no objections/comments/whatever then we should be clear to make an edit request. -- Ned Scott 07:00, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}} Please replace the entire contents of Template:Episode list with this. -- Ned Scott 04:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Ok, something I didn't think about, besides the order of DirectedBy and WrittenBy, there is the order with the Aux. For example:
Aux1 | Aux2 | Aux3 | DirectedBy | WrittenBy
or
DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux1 | Aux2 | Aux3
or.. we can split them, to give an option
Aux1 | DirectedBy | WrittenBy | Aux2 | Aux3
I bring this up because I did find one page that would need to use an Aux before a WrittenBy, List of RahXephon media. Granted it's probably out of the ordinary, it made me think if there are any other concerns regarding if Aux should go in front or behind. Thoughts? -- Ned Scott 05:30, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
Please replace the entire contents of
Template:Episode list with
this.
Retested, and it doesn't break anything. I think at most we'll just need to advice people to never use all 12 possible cells at once, but I doubt that will ever be a problem. -- Ned Scott 03:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
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Please replace the entire contents of Template:Episode list with this. This is a minor update to fix some extra padding in the ShortSummary cell, and to also add {{ Documentation}}. -- Ned Scott 08:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Not sure how widespread the use of these new parameters are yet, but Matthewedwards left this note on my talk page that might be worth considering:
So far it's just been a toss up on the order, so I can go either way myself. If this is a good indication on a better order, and it wouldn't cause too much clean up, then I'd be fine with making another change, but I thought I would see what others thought first. -- Ned Scott 05:16, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
I think there needs to be a field to reference the AltTitle outside of the quotes. -- Jamie jca ( talk) 19:44, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
Currently, the template has HTML anchors of form ep{{{EpisodeNumber}}} and pc{{{ProdCode}}}. I think these would be more likely to be used without the prefix, like {{{EpisodeNumber}}} and {{{ProdCode}}} . Superm401 - Talk 19:59, 28 April 2008 (UTC)