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Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede 66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede 66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede 66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede 66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede 66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run:
Suggested date | Q / Prep | Hooks 18 Jul | Hooks 19 Jul | Hooks 21 Jul |
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21-Jul | Queue5 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
22-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
23-Jul | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
24-Jul | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
25-Jul | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
26-Jul | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
27-Jul | Prep4 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
28-Jul | Prep5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
29-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
30-Jul | Prep7 | 3 | 3 | 5 |
31-Jul | Prep1 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
1-Aug | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
2-Aug | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
3-Aug | Prep4 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
4-Aug | Prep5 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
5-Aug | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
6-Aug | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede 66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede 66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede 66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 ( Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede 66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
that after having been an unused alternate at the Tokyo Olympics, Maia Weintraub is now qualified for fencing at the Paris Olympics?That probably won't be seen as interesting enough. I'll deal with the other articles; thanks for your good work. Schwede 66 20:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know ... if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time– maybe focus on QPQs for a wee while instead of writing further bios, BeanieFan11. Schwede 66 02:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up?
What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede 66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
Article (nom) | Requested | Suggested date | Prep set | Notes (all times in CEST) | Status |
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2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 21 July | Queue 5 | This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. | published |
Breaking Through (2022 film) ( nom) | none | 21 July | Queue5 | The film deals with real events around the 2002 Winter Olympics, hence it's an ideal warmup hook. | published |
Zali Steggall ( nom) | none | 22 July | Queue 6 | 1998 Olympic skier | published |
Ri Jong-yol ( nom) | none | 22 July | Queue6 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start | published |
Yang Jingru (speed skater) ( nom) | none | 23 July | Queue 7 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. | published |
René Heyde ( nom) | none | 23 July | Queue7 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. | published |
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This ( nom) | none | 24 July | Queue 1 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet). This double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth) | In queue |
American Samoa at the 2020 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 24 July | Queue1 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | In queue |
Twice a Man (film) ( nom) | none | 25 July | Queue 2 | ... that Olympia Dukakis's first screen role was in the avant-garde film Twice a Man?That's got to be a brilliant Olympics hook. |
In queue |
Angling at the 1900 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 25 July | Queue2 | One of the Olympic warmup hooks. | In queue |
Camil Doua ( nom) | none | 26 July | Queue 3 | Flagbearer – Doua is competing in the men's 100 metre freestyle and the heats will be on 30 July. Problem is that we have two hooks for that date already. As Doua is flagbearer for Mauritania, the opening ceremony date is a perfectly viable alternative. Agreed for this to be a standalone hook for its rather cool hook fact. | In queue |
Alison McGregor ( nom) | none | 26 July | Queue3 | The hook mentions that she was an Olympic torch carrier, i.e. a great warmup hook for the opening day. | In queue |
Lê Đức Phát ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Lê is going to compete in men's singles badminton, with the preliminary round every day from 27 to 31 July inclusive. Any of those days would thus also work. | In queue |
Edda Hannesdóttir ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Hannesdóttir is set to compete in the women's triathlon on 31 July | In queue |
María Sara Grippoli ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Grippoli is set to compete in women's 49 kg taekwondo, with all competitions on 7 August. | In queue |
Viren Nettasinghe ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. | In queue |
Chloë Farro ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. | In queue |
Oyuntsetseg Yesügen ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Late addition to the set. The nomination page is already closed; if you'd like to review this, please use the nomination talk page to do so. | In queue |
Fathimath Dheema Ali ( nom) | none | 27 July | Queue 4 | The women's table tennis singles prelim round starts on 27 July | In queue |
Evann Girault ( nom) | none | 27 July | Queue4 | Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) | In queue |
Lilia Cosman ( nom) | 28 July | 28 July | Queue 5 | Cosman will compete in the qualification round on 28 July. | In queue |
Aminata Barrow ( nom) | None | 28 July | Queue5 | Barrow will compete in women's 100 metre breaststroke, with heats on 28 July | In queue |
Lorrane Oliveira ( nom) | 28 July | 28 July | Queue5 | ![]() |
In queue |
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 29 July | Queue 6 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | At SOHA |
Adam Maraana ( nom) | 29 July | 29 July | Queue6 | My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semi-finals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day. | in prep |
Victor Alvares de Oliveira ( nom) | 29 July | 29 July | Queue6 | Submitted on 18 July hence this one might not make it in time. Alvares de Oliveira is going to compete in men's foil fencing, with all competitions to be held on 29 July. | in prep |
Alyssa Mendoza ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep 7 | Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. | in prep |
Andy Barat ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Before you promote to prep, please see the discussion above about combining this with the Alyssa Mendoza hook. | At SOHA |
Valentin Houinato ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Houinato is set to compete in the men's 81 kg judo event, with all competitions held on 30 July | Under review |
Matthew Wright (triathlete) ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Wright is set to compete in the men's triathlon, which is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00. Is there an opportunity to combine the two triathletes in this set into one hook if both nominations get reviewed in time? | Under review; missing QPQ is what's holding this up |
Shachar Sagiv ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 | Review not yet started |
Dylan Travis ( nom) | none | 31 July | Prep 1 | The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. | At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith) |
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team ( nom) | 28 July | 31 July | Prep1 | The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. | At SOHA |
Marcedes Walker ( nom) | None | 1 August | Prep 2 | Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. | At SOHA |
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 1 August | Prep2 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | At SOHA |
Warren Lawrence ( nom) | none | 1 August | Prep2 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Lawrence is set to compete in the men's 50 metre freestyle event, with heats and semifinals on 1 August. | Review not yet started |
Emily Ausmus ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep 3 | Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. | At SOHA |
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep3 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics. We do have an image but it's of rather poor quality. | At SOHA |
2024 World Athletics Relays – Mixed 4 × 400 metres relay ( nom) | 2 August | 2 August | The mixed 4 × 400 metres relay is scheduled for 2 and 3 August 2024. [1] | Review not yet started | |
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep 4 | Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. | Under review |
Apsara Sakbun ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep4 | Sakbun is going to compete in women's 50 metre freestyle swimming, with heats and semi-finals on 3 August. | At SOHA |
Jenya Kazbekova ( nom) | none | Prep4 | Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. | At SOHA | |
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep 5 | ![]() |
At SOHA |
Emmanuella Atora ( nom) | none | Prep5 | Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. | At SOHA | |
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep5 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | Under review |
Piper Kelly ( nom) | None | 5 August | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | Review not yet started | |
Aniya Holder ( nom) | 5 August | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | At SOHA |
Zheng Haohao ( nom) | none | 6 August | Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. | At SOHA | |
Ruby Remati ( nom) | None | 7 August | The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. | Under review | |
Manizha Talash ( nom) | none | 9 August | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | At SOHA | |
Logan Edra ( nom) | none | 9 August | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | Under review | |
Gaku Akazawa ( nom) | none | 10 August | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | Under review | |
Alasan Ann ( nom) | none | 10 August | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | At SOHA | |
Kennedy Blades ( nom) | none | 10 August | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | At SOHA | |
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Anything that's related to Israel is potentially controversial. We have List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports ( nom) up for review. I'd like to run this as part of the Olympics set (currently scheduled for 26 July). Could I interest someone to review the nomination, please? Schwede 66 00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
While Russia has been sanctioned for its illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory, [1] Israel's occupation of Palestine for more than 75 years has never led to a ban. [2]Ghazaalch ( talk) 17:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Another hook for an Israeli is Did you know nominations/Shachar Sagiv. It's a double-nomination, it would logically run on 30 July (when the triathlon is on), and an interesting hook fact (father and two sons are all Olympians). It just needs a reviewer, and swiftly at that, as it's supposed to go into Prep 7. Schwede 66 09:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers? "Carpenter builds himself a house" doesn't exactly send me running to the newsstands. theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Great work, all! Hopefully we can get all of these in ship-shape before showtime :) theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Georg Kareski needs to be unorphaned and have a lead added. Pinging Buidhe. SL93 ( talk) 02:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
The article ... should not deserve stub or dispute tags.theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 17:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
[other editors] follow the Did you know? standard of 1,500 characters in the main text. Talk about finger-pointing! Even odder, that kind of implies that the lead doesn't count towards the 1500 quota since it's not part of the "main text", but I've never seen that enforced at DYK. As far as I can tell, articles get called stub, start, or c-class more or less at random. RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
I pulled this hook from prep 4 (now promoted to queue 4), because as far as I can ascertain, Chicken of Tomorrow Contest was moved to mainspace on 13 June and was nominated for DYK eleven days later on 24 June, longer than the period allowed per WP:DYKNEW. Although it states that sometimes a 1–2 day extension may be granted, this is four days over the seven-day newness limit described in the guidelines; I cannot find neither evidence of a discussion or special occasion prompting such an extension and this does not satisfy another aspect of DYKNEW. Pinging the nominator and reviewer, Thriley and Hassocks5489, in case I missed something – hopefully this was just a misunderstanding. And if no guidelines have been violated, this hook may be restored to another prep area. Complex/ Rational 16:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
As a general comment, this set has a lot of long/wordy hooks. It would be good if we could trim things down here and there. RoySmith (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Toadboy123, and Narutolovehinata5: There's some minor copy-paste from two sources which needs some attention. See earwig RoySmith (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Storye book, and ResonantDistortion: There's some minor copy-paste from grimdarkmagazine.com/anna-smith-spark-where-to-start-reading which needs to be addressed. RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos, Smerus, and Kimikel: rewrite "This was the first professional performance of any of" so it's not word-for-word from the source RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 38 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 3. We have a total of 246 nominations, of which 105 have been approved, a gap of 141 nominations that has increased by 11 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
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Other nominations
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
I believe this nomination should be reopened. The only issue it had was with citations in the hook, which are resolved when the following hook is used: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Sources: "Germination Requirements and Genetic Diversity in Croton alabamensis var. texensis", Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference September 11–14, 1995, Flagstaff, Arizona, page 147, Quote: "The Texas and Alabama populations of C. alabamensis are separated by more than 1000 km" https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/178532#page/157/mode/1up, "Phylogeny and biogeography of Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae), a rare shrub from Texas and Alabama, using DNA sequence and AFLP data", Molecular Ecology, 2006 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-294X.2006.02970.x, Quote: "Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae s.s.) is a rare plant species known from several populations in Texas and Alabama that have been assigned to var. texensis and var. alabamensis, respectively TDogg310 ( talk) 01:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Lately, Earwig has been giving lots of errors of the form Google Error: HTTP Error 429: Too Many Requests
. I'm guessing that's related to the ongoing
GA backlog drive. If you get that error, you can still use Earwig in degraded mode. Uncheck the "Use search engine" box near the bottom of the form and resubmit your request. It won't do the full Google search for duplicated text, but it will at least check the references, which picks up a lot of problems.
There's also a box you can check for "Use Turnitin", which I haven't explored much. I assume it runs a query at Turnitin, which is very popular with college professors checking student papers. It's probably worth trying. I don't know if we also have a quota there. RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos, Kevmin, and Ornithoptera: the image is so dark, it's pretty much unrecognizable. I've uploaded an adjusted version, but I'm hesitant to just drop it into place because as a scientific image, the exact coloring needs to be correct. So, just offering it here as a possible replacement. RoySmith (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Are newly created or moved lists eligible for DYK? Specifically, A. Sreekar Prasad filmography, which I am trying to get to FL status. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 06:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
With the recent midnight promotion, all queues are now empty. Pinging @ DYK admins: please promote some preps to queue. At the moment, the Approved page has so many noms on it that all of them can't transclude: 144 in total, 19 of which are in the special occasion section (all but one of which are for the Olympics), 111 transcluding normally, and 14 that aren't transcluding because the size limit has been reached. As preps are promoted to queue, approved hooks can be promoted from the Approved page. Thank you very much! BlueMoonset ( talk) 00:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Two biography hooks are beside each other in prep 5. I would fix the issue, but one of those hooks is my nomination. SL93 ( talk) 02:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I was doing some admin checks to expedite the promotion of Prep7 but with the
181 Montague Street article, I didn't get further than reading the first bit. It says: Each column measures 27 ft (8.2 m) tall and has a diameter 10 feet 3 inches (3.12 m).
That is obviously not true as that wouldn't like like a column. I cannot get to the source, even through my Wikipedia Library login. If 3.12 m is the circumference (as opposed to the diameter) of the columns, and further assuming that they are made of granite (which has a mass of about 2.7 g/cm3), then the columns weigh about 17 metric tons, which is at the lower end of the various weight estimates given in the article.
Epicgenius, this is your nomination; it either needs sorting out pretty quick or we'll have to pull the item for the time being.
Schwede
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12:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Schwede66 I see you've recently taken to adding comments to hooks, as in Special:Diff/1235827214. I mentioned this earlier but that conversation got buried in the olympic mega-thread. So I'm bringing it up here for greater visibility.
I think this is a bad idea. And given that multiple other people (@ Pamzeis @ Art LaPella) have reverted these as either presumed accidents or vandalism, it would seem I'm not the only one. Can you please stop doing this? RoySmith (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Guys, here's one possible approach; if you find a set with a problematic hook but don't have time to fix it, add a tick to the end of every hook you were able to verify, which will allow another admin to see which hooks have already been verified, saving time for everyone.You can find this in Archive 197. Later that month, Valereee started a separate discussion on this topic. You didn't object at those occasions, and it's been done every now and then by various admins. Why is this suddenly a problem? Why would it possibly not be helpful if you want to move a set to queue, knowing that you don't have to review nine articles, but some are already done? Schwede 66 01:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Making it easier to comment on questionable hooks is not attacking the root problem– that's not what I was trying to get at with my proposal. I suggest that we don't have enough admins promoting to queue because the task is too time-consuming. I need a two-hour block for that and for me, that is a show stopper. My thinking was that if you have time to check one, or several hooks, but not the whole set, that makes the task easier to spread over more editors, and the admin shortage may well diminish.
At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)When did I do that? RoySmith (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ SL93, Toadboy123, and Sammi Brie: there's substantial text duplication from http://english.news.cn/20240204/fcc52953d4e6415d92b1d1298a852c94/c.html. This has to get fixed quickly because this is set to run tomorrow. RoySmith (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AirshipJungleman29, OlifanofmrTennant, and Theleekycauldron: Earwig went apoplectic over http://tragicalhistorytour.com/d16/15p. I'm pretty sure they copied from us (archive.org has no history of that page), but another set of eyes confirming that would be appreciated. RoySmith (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
... that some estimate that maintenance of existing software comprises up to nine times as much as creating it in the first place?
This hook does not make sense. What does it mean for maintenance to “comprise … as much as” creation? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 15:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AirshipJungleman29, Hydrangeans, and Kimikel: The article says "churches and synagogues" which got turned into just "churches" in the hook. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hooks should be definite facts that are verified by citations in the article. What you're saying above doesn't meet that requirement. RoySmith (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
outine calculations do not count as original research—unless there is some reason there isn't a consensus that 1961 is ten years after 1951? Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 23:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Davies spoke ... in an address criticizing "churches and synagogues"I don't see how you can summarize that in the hook as
... gave a speech criticizing South African churches. That's like me saying "Men and women commit crimes" and you turning that into "Women commit crimes". It may be technically true, but surely it's a carefully crafted subset of the truth which does not fairly represent the original statement. RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
short and to the point( WP:DYKINT) means that a hook not only can't but sometimes shouldn't include everything possible. Your example involves much broader categories than the hook (the nearly universal 'men and women' rather than the much narrower 'Christianity specifically in South Africa'). I'd compare the earlier version of the hook to a hook like (to draw on my own DYK experience I have, for the convenience of it being familiar to me) this one for the article Frank O'Connor (actor, born 1897):
that California rancher Frank O'Connor could grow Lipstick and Halloween(these being flower hybrids). O'Connor also grew alfalfa, bamboo, and blackberries, which the article states, but the hook focuses on 'crafted subset'—not because it misrepresents the article content, but because it keeps the hook focused and interesting (focusing on the interestingness of the two most interestingly named plants). Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 00:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@
Bruxton,
Peacemaker67, and
Kimikel: The article says conspicuous gallantry and bravery, coolness, initiative and disregard for his own safety was described as “remarkable”
but that got turned into remarkable bravery, exceptional coolness and initiative
in the hook which doesn't seem like a correct rendition of what I assume is a direct quote from the citation.
RoySmith
(talk)
16:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Bruxton, Dumelow, and Whispyhistory: This needs copyediting to remove duplicated text from mutliple sources (see the earwig report). It's little bits and pieces, but it adds up to a significant amount of text copied directly from sources. RoySmith (talk) 16:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
SiegedSec has a tag that says, "This section is in list format but may read better as prose." I'm not sure if such a thing would prevent a main page appearance. SL93 ( talk) 02:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to reopen the discussion regarding the hook proposed for the article above in DYK. The reason for the reopening is that I asked for a second reviewer (for the hook only) one day before the two month period expired, but my request went unnoticed. The reason for a second reviewer is that I think that the hook is perfectly acceptable, but the discussion went nowhere. Today I also asked for the opinion of another very experienced Wikipedian about this hook and he also doesn't see any problem. So a reopening and a third opinion would be welcome. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 18:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Let's continue this
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The hook from Template:Did you know nominations/Embassy of the Philippines, Amman appears to fail WP:DYKBLP, but I could be wrong. Pinging nominator Sky Harbor and reviewer TheNuggeteer. SL93 ( talk) 23:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Bruxton, Ergo Sum, and Sohom: substantial copying from press.vatican.va ( earwig report). It's not just the stuff that shows up in red in the report, but as you read through the text, it's obvious that this was just copied with a few words changed here and there. Needs a substantial rewrite, not just more minor sentence tweaks. RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Kimikel, and Lajmmoore: there's nothing wrong per-se, but the blow-my-socks-off story is that there was a German colony in Texas. As an American (albeit a neoyorquino), when I think of Texas history I think Mexican, and by extension Spanish. I was schocked to discover there was a German colony. If that could be emphasized more, it would make a much stronger hook. RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Arconning, and Flemmish Nietzsche: a particularly troublesome "first" hook. I'm willing to accept that the NFL or MLB keep detailed records which can back up these kinds of hooks, but a game played in the 1500s? The source, while nominally the Vatican newspaper, really looks like more of a blog, written in the first person ("He introduced me to many friends with whom I shared a passion for football"). I see lots of other mentions of this, but most don't give their source and those that do all point back to this one. RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
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Remembering that we did themed sets for the FIFA Women's World Cup last year, I thought of an idea for a themed set of hooks: the 2024 Summer Olympics take place from July 26 to August 11 this year (in a little over five weeks) and I think there will probably be a decent number of Olympics-related hooks; I at least plan to write a good number of them. I was thinking we might be able to do something like one Olympics hook per day for the duration of the event, similar to how we did for the FIFA World Cup. Thoughts? BeanieFan11 ( talk) 20:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
Some related considerations:
All the Olympic-related hooks that I could spot are in the table below. Schwede 66 03:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Just noting here that Zhang Ziyu has been nominated. Whilst she does play basketball and China is competing in that discipline at in Paris, she's not (yet?) a member of the China women's national basketball team. Hence, we could use this as another warmup hook. Schwede 66 05:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
Could somebody please review Draft:Adam Maraana? The review could double as a QPQ, as the intention of the IP editor is to have this run as part of the Olympics. Schwede 66 06:15, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
Red-tailed hawk, is there a good reason why you pulled the Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics hook out of the special occasion holding area (SOHA) and put it into prep 4? Because if there isn't a good reason, I'd like to see this reverted. Schwede 66 00:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
Some of the Olympic hooks need a bit more attention from reviewers, or nominators are dragging the chain with QPQs. For example, Prep 1 is already filled but there's still one hook that awaits its QPQ. Prep 2 is filling up but a review for this nomination hasn't even been started yet. I'd be happy to do some shuffling but there's nothing really to shuffle this with; further down, the hooks are all timed for particular occasions. Shifting items back into the Olympics proper is also tricky as almost all days have two or three items already. I'd most appreciate if those who can stand reviewing sports articles can give this some attention. Schwede 66 09:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
Here's a summary of how many hooks we've got, and when they are scheduled to run:
Suggested date | Q / Prep | Hooks 18 Jul | Hooks 19 Jul | Hooks 21 Jul |
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21-Jul | Queue5 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
22-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
23-Jul | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
24-Jul | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
25-Jul | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
26-Jul | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
27-Jul | Prep4 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
28-Jul | Prep5 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
29-Jul | Prep6 | 2 | 4 | 3 |
30-Jul | Prep7 | 3 | 3 | 5 |
31-Jul | Prep1 | 3 | 3 | 2 |
1-Aug | Prep2 | 2 | 2 | 3 |
2-Aug | Prep3 | 2 | 2 | 2 |
3-Aug | Prep4 | 2 | 3 | 2 |
4-Aug | Prep5 | 1 | 2 | 2 |
5-Aug | Prep6 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
6-Aug | Prep7 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
7-Aug | Prep1 | 2 | 2 | 1 |
8-Aug | Prep2 | 1 | 1 | 1 |
9-Aug | Prep3 | 1 | 1 | 2 |
10-Aug | Prep4 | 3 | 3 | 3 |
As can be seen:
Therefore, we have to agree whether we would be happy with three Olympic-related hooks per set. Delaying Olympic-related hooks that are already approved is definitely not helping. Schwede 66 22:49, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
SL93, Lorrane Oliveira was for Prep6, not Prep5. Schwede 66 00:43, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
We currently have four hooks for 29 July / Prep6; this is the next prep set that will become available. That sounds too many, however, only one of those hooks is currently at SOHA. One hook, a swimmer starting for Israel, hasn't had the review started yet. There may well be a reluctance to "touch" anything Israel, so this might not make it. The two other hooks are both awaiting BeanieFan11 to provide a QPQ. Thus, at this point in time, we only have one viable hook from four candidates. When Prep6 becomes available, I'll thus bring one of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks forward so that we've at least got two hooks to go. Schwede 66 20:14, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
The Paris Olympics will be kicking off on 26 July 2024 with an opening ceremony in the early evening. Event competitions start two days earlier on 24 July with association football and rugby sevens. The closing ceremony (article yet to be written!) is on 11 August. That's 19 days of Olympics and as suggested above, we could run Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics as a warmup just before that period.
There'll be some special date requests coming in and to avoid filling up individual hook sets with too much sport, I suggest we co-ordinate what will run when to spread things out in a logical fashion. I suspect that we'll stay in a 24-hour cycle for the duration of the event but if that changes, we can accommodate that as well. Time zone–wise, Paris is currently at UTC+02:00 ( Central European Summer Time or CEST), hence there are no mental gymnastics necessary as long as we stay in the 24-hour cycle. Comments welcome. Helpers are welcome and essential; I certainly don't want to do this all by myself as this was quite a bit of work some three years ago for the Tokyo Olympics. And with regards to my own special interests, I shall tell you that the Kiwi rowers are in good shape; I can hear the medals clinking already! Schwede 66 01:20, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
that after having been an unused alternate at the Tokyo Olympics, Maia Weintraub is now qualified for fencing at the Paris Olympics?That probably won't be seen as interesting enough. I'll deal with the other articles; thanks for your good work. Schwede 66 20:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
I don't know ... if I'll be able to do all the QPQs in time– maybe focus on QPQs for a wee while instead of writing further bios, BeanieFan11. Schwede 66 02:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Just a heads up that I've got a week of little available time coming up:
After that, things should be back to normal. Hence, it might be a good idea if others take the lead. Kingsif, you were asking whether there's something where you could help – here's your chance. Last time, Joseph2302 did a lot of good work – would you be interested to step up?
What needs doing? Here's a hopefully complete list:
If I think of anything else, I'll add that to the list. It's reasonably late in the process (the first competitions will start tomorrow) and all the structural issues are sorted. It just needs some low-level maintenance at this point. Schwede 66 23:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
On the "Approved" page, there is now a heading Olympics: Special occasion holding area.
Article (nom) | Requested | Suggested date | Prep set | Notes (all times in CEST) | Status |
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2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 21 July | Queue 5 | This hook names Femke Bol who is due to compete in Paris. We have a second (double-)hook that names here, hence I suggest we run this as the first warm-up hook to put as much time between the two appearance of Bol as possible. This would lend itself as the picture hook as we've got a good photo. | published |
Breaking Through (2022 film) ( nom) | none | 21 July | Queue5 | The film deals with real events around the 2002 Winter Olympics, hence it's an ideal warmup hook. | published |
Zali Steggall ( nom) | none | 22 July | Queue 6 | 1998 Olympic skier | published |
Ri Jong-yol ( nom) | none | 22 July | Queue6 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start | published |
Yang Jingru (speed skater) ( nom) | none | 23 July | Queue 7 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. | published |
René Heyde ( nom) | none | 23 July | Queue7 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start. | published |
Toby Olubi and Can't Touch This ( nom) | none | 24 July | Queue 1 | One of the warm-up hooks; can run on any date before the Olympics start (24 is in fact the first day of competitions but we haven't got anything for that day yet). This double-hook has already had its admin checks done (by Cwmhiraeth) | In queue |
American Samoa at the 2020 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 24 July | Queue1 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | In queue |
Twice a Man (film) ( nom) | none | 25 July | Queue 2 | ... that Olympia Dukakis's first screen role was in the avant-garde film Twice a Man?That's got to be a brilliant Olympics hook. |
In queue |
Angling at the 1900 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 25 July | Queue2 | One of the Olympic warmup hooks. | In queue |
Camil Doua ( nom) | none | 26 July | Queue 3 | Flagbearer – Doua is competing in the men's 100 metre freestyle and the heats will be on 30 July. Problem is that we have two hooks for that date already. As Doua is flagbearer for Mauritania, the opening ceremony date is a perfectly viable alternative. Agreed for this to be a standalone hook for its rather cool hook fact. | In queue |
Alison McGregor ( nom) | none | 26 July | Queue3 | The hook mentions that she was an Olympic torch carrier, i.e. a great warmup hook for the opening day. | In queue |
Lê Đức Phát ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Lê is going to compete in men's singles badminton, with the preliminary round every day from 27 to 31 July inclusive. Any of those days would thus also work. | In queue |
Edda Hannesdóttir ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Hannesdóttir is set to compete in the women's triathlon on 31 July | In queue |
María Sara Grippoli ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Otherwise, Grippoli is set to compete in women's 49 kg taekwondo, with all competitions on 7 August. | In queue |
Viren Nettasinghe ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. | In queue |
Chloë Farro ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. | In queue |
Oyuntsetseg Yesügen ( nom) | 26 July | 26 July | Queue3 | Flagbearer – part of the mass hook. Late addition to the set. The nomination page is already closed; if you'd like to review this, please use the nomination talk page to do so. | In queue |
Fathimath Dheema Ali ( nom) | none | 27 July | Queue 4 | The women's table tennis singles prelim round starts on 27 July | In queue |
Evann Girault ( nom) | none | 27 July | Queue4 | Girault is going to compete in men's sabre, and that competition is held on 27 July (from elimination to finals; all on one day) | In queue |
Lilia Cosman ( nom) | 28 July | 28 July | Queue 5 | Cosman will compete in the qualification round on 28 July. | In queue |
Aminata Barrow ( nom) | None | 28 July | Queue5 | Barrow will compete in women's 100 metre breaststroke, with heats on 28 July | In queue |
Lorrane Oliveira ( nom) | 28 July | 28 July | Queue5 | ![]() |
In queue |
Suriname at the 1960 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 29 July | Queue 6 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | At SOHA |
Adam Maraana ( nom) | 29 July | 29 July | Queue6 | My preference would be for this hook to run on 28 July, when the heats and semi-finals in 100 m backstroke will be held. Problem is that we have three Olympic hooks for that date already. Given that he's quite good, there is a chance that he'll make the final on 29 July. Hence let's take the gamble and go for that day. | in prep |
Victor Alvares de Oliveira ( nom) | 29 July | 29 July | Queue6 | Submitted on 18 July hence this one might not make it in time. Alvares de Oliveira is going to compete in men's foil fencing, with all competitions to be held on 29 July. | in prep |
Alyssa Mendoza ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep 7 | Assuming that she is still featherweight, the women's 57 kg boxing competition begins on 30 July with the round of 32. | in prep |
Andy Barat ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Barat is going to compete in the men's slalom K-1, and that competition has its heats on 30 July. That's unfortunately the third article for this date. Before you promote to prep, please see the discussion above about combining this with the Alyssa Mendoza hook. | At SOHA |
Valentin Houinato ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Houinato is set to compete in the men's 81 kg judo event, with all competitions held on 30 July | Under review |
Matthew Wright (triathlete) ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Wright is set to compete in the men's triathlon, which is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00. Is there an opportunity to combine the two triathletes in this set into one hook if both nominations get reviewed in time? | Under review; missing QPQ is what's holding this up |
Shachar Sagiv ( nom) | none | 30 July | Prep7 | Men's triathlon is scheduled for 30 July starting at 8:00 | Review not yet started |
Dylan Travis ( nom) | none | 31 July | Prep 1 | The first USA men's 3x3 game is on 30 July. Subsequent games are on 31 July, 1, 2, and 4 August if that date gets too crowded. | At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith) |
2024 United States men's Olympic basketball team ( nom) | 28 July | 31 July | Prep1 | The U.S. team plays in the preliminary round on 28 and 31 July and on 3 August. We already have too many hooks for 28 July, so any of the other two options will work better. | At SOHA |
Marcedes Walker ( nom) | None | 1 August | Prep 2 | Walker is going to compete in the women's 3x3 basketball competition and they are playing a round robin round-robin tournament from 30 July to 3 August, playing every day. Hence, there's heaps of flexibility moving this hook around to suit. | At SOHA |
Solomon Islands at the 2020 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 1 August | Prep2 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | At SOHA |
Warren Lawrence ( nom) | none | 1 August | Prep2 | Nominated to DYK late in the process. Lawrence is set to compete in the men's 50 metre freestyle event, with heats and semifinals on 1 August. | Review not yet started |
Emily Ausmus ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep 3 | Ausmus is competing in the women's water polo tournament in Group B, with preliminary round games held on 27, 29, and 31 July, and a game on 2 August. Any of those dates are suitable. | At SOHA |
Philippines at the 1924 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 2 August | Prep3 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics. We do have an image but it's of rather poor quality. | At SOHA |
2024 World Athletics Relays – Mixed 4 × 400 metres relay ( nom) | 2 August | 2 August | The mixed 4 × 400 metres relay is scheduled for 2 and 3 August 2024. [1] | Review not yet started | |
Filomenaleonisa Iakopo ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep 4 | Iakopo is scheduled to compete in the women's 100 metres, with the preliminary round scheduled to be held on 3 August. | Under review |
Apsara Sakbun ( nom) | none | 3 August | Prep4 | Sakbun is going to compete in women's 50 metre freestyle swimming, with heats and semi-finals on 3 August. | At SOHA |
Jenya Kazbekova ( nom) | none | Prep4 | Kazbekova is due to compete in women's combined sport climbing, with semifinals for the two competition elements (boulder and lead) split over two days: 6 & 8 August. Hence, this can run on either date. | At SOHA | |
2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres and 2022 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep 5 | ![]() |
At SOHA |
Emmanuella Atora ( nom) | none | Prep5 | Atora is due to compete in women's 57 kg taekwondo (assuming that she's still in this weight class). The competition is to be held on 8 August. | At SOHA | |
Liechtenstein at the 1936 Summer Olympics ( nom) | none | 4 August | Prep5 | One of the "foo at the YYYY Summer Olympics" hooks; can run on any day during the Olympics | Under review |
Piper Kelly ( nom) | None | 5 August | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | Review not yet started | |
Aniya Holder ( nom) | 5 August | 5 August | Prep6 | Qualifications for women's speed climbing are on 5 Aug. | At SOHA |
Zheng Haohao ( nom) | none | 6 August | Zheng is due to compete in women's park skateboarding on 6 Aug. | At SOHA | |
Ruby Remati ( nom) | None | 7 August | The team artistic swimming event will be held on 5, 6, and 7 August. The hook could run on any of those days. | Under review | |
Manizha Talash ( nom) | none | 9 August | Breaking or breakdancing is a new sport. Who would have known. The competition for females is on 9 August. | At SOHA | |
Logan Edra ( nom) | none | 9 August | Here's our second female breakdancer. Any chance of combining the two hooks? | Under review | |
Gaku Akazawa ( nom) | none | 10 August | Akazawa is going to compete in the men's freestyle wrestling 65 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | Under review | |
Alasan Ann ( nom) | none | 10 August | Ann is going to compete in the men's taekwondo +80 kg, with all events scheduled for 10 August. | At SOHA | |
Kennedy Blades ( nom) | none | 10 August | Blades is going to compete in the women's freestyle wrestling 76 kg, with the event scheduled to start on 10 August. | At SOHA | |
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Anything that's related to Israel is potentially controversial. We have List of petitions calling for Israel ban from Sports ( nom) up for review. I'd like to run this as part of the Olympics set (currently scheduled for 26 July). Could I interest someone to review the nomination, please? Schwede 66 00:48, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
While Russia has been sanctioned for its illegal annexation of Ukrainian territory, [1] Israel's occupation of Palestine for more than 75 years has never led to a ban. [2]Ghazaalch ( talk) 17:23, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Another hook for an Israeli is Did you know nominations/Shachar Sagiv. It's a double-nomination, it would logically run on 30 July (when the triathlon is on), and an interesting hook fact (father and two sons are all Olympians). It just needs a reviewer, and swiftly at that, as it's supposed to go into Prep 7. Schwede 66 09:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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likely to be perceived as unusual or intriguing by readers? "Carpenter builds himself a house" doesn't exactly send me running to the newsstands. theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Great work, all! Hopefully we can get all of these in ship-shape before showtime :) theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 20:21, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
Georg Kareski needs to be unorphaned and have a lead added. Pinging Buidhe. SL93 ( talk) 02:35, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
The article ... should not deserve stub or dispute tags.theleekycauldron ( talk • she/her) 17:52, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
[other editors] follow the Did you know? standard of 1,500 characters in the main text. Talk about finger-pointing! Even odder, that kind of implies that the lead doesn't count towards the 1500 quota since it's not part of the "main text", but I've never seen that enforced at DYK. As far as I can tell, articles get called stub, start, or c-class more or less at random. RoySmith (talk) 18:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
I pulled this hook from prep 4 (now promoted to queue 4), because as far as I can ascertain, Chicken of Tomorrow Contest was moved to mainspace on 13 June and was nominated for DYK eleven days later on 24 June, longer than the period allowed per WP:DYKNEW. Although it states that sometimes a 1–2 day extension may be granted, this is four days over the seven-day newness limit described in the guidelines; I cannot find neither evidence of a discussion or special occasion prompting such an extension and this does not satisfy another aspect of DYKNEW. Pinging the nominator and reviewer, Thriley and Hassocks5489, in case I missed something – hopefully this was just a misunderstanding. And if no guidelines have been violated, this hook may be restored to another prep area. Complex/ Rational 16:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
As a general comment, this set has a lot of long/wordy hooks. It would be good if we could trim things down here and there. RoySmith (talk) 16:59, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Toadboy123, and Narutolovehinata5: There's some minor copy-paste from two sources which needs some attention. See earwig RoySmith (talk) 16:51, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Storye book, and ResonantDistortion: There's some minor copy-paste from grimdarkmagazine.com/anna-smith-spark-where-to-start-reading which needs to be addressed. RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos, Smerus, and Kimikel: rewrite "This was the first professional performance of any of" so it's not word-for-word from the source RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
The previous list was archived a few hours ago, so I've created a new list of 38 nominations that need reviewing in the Older nominations section of the Nominations page, covering everything through July 3. We have a total of 246 nominations, of which 105 have been approved, a gap of 141 nominations that has increased by 11 over the past 7 days. Thanks to everyone who reviews these and any other nominations!
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Other nominations
Please remember to cross off entries, including the date, as you finish reviewing them (unless you're asking for further review), even if the review was not an approval. Please do not remove them entirely. Many thanks! BlueMoonset ( talk) 19:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
I believe this nomination should be reopened. The only issue it had was with citations in the hook, which are resolved when the following hook is used: ... that the two varieties of Alabama croton are separated by more than 1,000 kilometres (620 mi)? Sources: "Germination Requirements and Genetic Diversity in Croton alabamensis var. texensis", Southwestern Rare and Endangered Plants Proceedings of the Second Conference September 11–14, 1995, Flagstaff, Arizona, page 147, Quote: "The Texas and Alabama populations of C. alabamensis are separated by more than 1000 km" https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/item/178532#page/157/mode/1up, "Phylogeny and biogeography of Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae), a rare shrub from Texas and Alabama, using DNA sequence and AFLP data", Molecular Ecology, 2006 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1365-294X.2006.02970.x, Quote: "Croton alabamensis (Euphorbiaceae s.s.) is a rare plant species known from several populations in Texas and Alabama that have been assigned to var. texensis and var. alabamensis, respectively TDogg310 ( talk) 01:48, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
Lately, Earwig has been giving lots of errors of the form Google Error: HTTP Error 429: Too Many Requests
. I'm guessing that's related to the ongoing
GA backlog drive. If you get that error, you can still use Earwig in degraded mode. Uncheck the "Use search engine" box near the bottom of the form and resubmit your request. It won't do the full Google search for duplicated text, but it will at least check the references, which picks up a lot of problems.
There's also a box you can check for "Use Turnitin", which I haven't explored much. I assume it runs a query at Turnitin, which is very popular with college professors checking student papers. It's probably worth trying. I don't know if we also have a quota there. RoySmith (talk) 15:03, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Premeditated Chaos, Kevmin, and Ornithoptera: the image is so dark, it's pretty much unrecognizable. I've uploaded an adjusted version, but I'm hesitant to just drop it into place because as a scientific image, the exact coloring needs to be correct. So, just offering it here as a possible replacement. RoySmith (talk) 22:10, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
Are newly created or moved lists eligible for DYK? Specifically, A. Sreekar Prasad filmography, which I am trying to get to FL status. Jeraxmoira🐉 ( talk) 06:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
With the recent midnight promotion, all queues are now empty. Pinging @ DYK admins: please promote some preps to queue. At the moment, the Approved page has so many noms on it that all of them can't transclude: 144 in total, 19 of which are in the special occasion section (all but one of which are for the Olympics), 111 transcluding normally, and 14 that aren't transcluding because the size limit has been reached. As preps are promoted to queue, approved hooks can be promoted from the Approved page. Thank you very much! BlueMoonset ( talk) 00:16, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Two biography hooks are beside each other in prep 5. I would fix the issue, but one of those hooks is my nomination. SL93 ( talk) 02:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
I was doing some admin checks to expedite the promotion of Prep7 but with the
181 Montague Street article, I didn't get further than reading the first bit. It says: Each column measures 27 ft (8.2 m) tall and has a diameter 10 feet 3 inches (3.12 m).
That is obviously not true as that wouldn't like like a column. I cannot get to the source, even through my Wikipedia Library login. If 3.12 m is the circumference (as opposed to the diameter) of the columns, and further assuming that they are made of granite (which has a mass of about 2.7 g/cm3), then the columns weigh about 17 metric tons, which is at the lower end of the various weight estimates given in the article.
Epicgenius, this is your nomination; it either needs sorting out pretty quick or we'll have to pull the item for the time being.
Schwede
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12:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Schwede66 I see you've recently taken to adding comments to hooks, as in Special:Diff/1235827214. I mentioned this earlier but that conversation got buried in the olympic mega-thread. So I'm bringing it up here for greater visibility.
I think this is a bad idea. And given that multiple other people (@ Pamzeis @ Art LaPella) have reverted these as either presumed accidents or vandalism, it would seem I'm not the only one. Can you please stop doing this? RoySmith (talk) 16:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
Guys, here's one possible approach; if you find a set with a problematic hook but don't have time to fix it, add a tick to the end of every hook you were able to verify, which will allow another admin to see which hooks have already been verified, saving time for everyone.You can find this in Archive 197. Later that month, Valereee started a separate discussion on this topic. You didn't object at those occasions, and it's been done every now and then by various admins. Why is this suddenly a problem? Why would it possibly not be helpful if you want to move a set to queue, knowing that you don't have to review nine articles, but some are already done? Schwede 66 01:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Making it easier to comment on questionable hooks is not attacking the root problem– that's not what I was trying to get at with my proposal. I suggest that we don't have enough admins promoting to queue because the task is too time-consuming. I need a two-hour block for that and for me, that is a show stopper. My thinking was that if you have time to check one, or several hooks, but not the whole set, that makes the task easier to spread over more editors, and the admin shortage may well diminish.
At SOHA; this hook has already had its admin checks done (by RoySmith)When did I do that? RoySmith (talk) 23:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ SL93, Toadboy123, and Sammi Brie: there's substantial text duplication from http://english.news.cn/20240204/fcc52953d4e6415d92b1d1298a852c94/c.html. This has to get fixed quickly because this is set to run tomorrow. RoySmith (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AirshipJungleman29, OlifanofmrTennant, and Theleekycauldron: Earwig went apoplectic over http://tragicalhistorytour.com/d16/15p. I'm pretty sure they copied from us (archive.org has no history of that page), but another set of eyes confirming that would be appreciated. RoySmith (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
... that some estimate that maintenance of existing software comprises up to nine times as much as creating it in the first place?
This hook does not make sense. What does it mean for maintenance to “comprise … as much as” creation? ꧁ Zanahary꧂ 15:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@ AirshipJungleman29, Hydrangeans, and Kimikel: The article says "churches and synagogues" which got turned into just "churches" in the hook. RoySmith (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
Hooks should be definite facts that are verified by citations in the article. What you're saying above doesn't meet that requirement. RoySmith (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
outine calculations do not count as original research—unless there is some reason there isn't a consensus that 1961 is ten years after 1951? Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 23:30, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Davies spoke ... in an address criticizing "churches and synagogues"I don't see how you can summarize that in the hook as
... gave a speech criticizing South African churches. That's like me saying "Men and women commit crimes" and you turning that into "Women commit crimes". It may be technically true, but surely it's a carefully crafted subset of the truth which does not fairly represent the original statement. RoySmith (talk) 23:39, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
short and to the point( WP:DYKINT) means that a hook not only can't but sometimes shouldn't include everything possible. Your example involves much broader categories than the hook (the nearly universal 'men and women' rather than the much narrower 'Christianity specifically in South Africa'). I'd compare the earlier version of the hook to a hook like (to draw on my own DYK experience I have, for the convenience of it being familiar to me) this one for the article Frank O'Connor (actor, born 1897):
that California rancher Frank O'Connor could grow Lipstick and Halloween(these being flower hybrids). O'Connor also grew alfalfa, bamboo, and blackberries, which the article states, but the hook focuses on 'crafted subset'—not because it misrepresents the article content, but because it keeps the hook focused and interesting (focusing on the interestingness of the two most interestingly named plants). Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 00:02, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@
Bruxton,
Peacemaker67, and
Kimikel: The article says conspicuous gallantry and bravery, coolness, initiative and disregard for his own safety was described as “remarkable”
but that got turned into remarkable bravery, exceptional coolness and initiative
in the hook which doesn't seem like a correct rendition of what I assume is a direct quote from the citation.
RoySmith
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16:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
@ Bruxton, Dumelow, and Whispyhistory: This needs copyediting to remove duplicated text from mutliple sources (see the earwig report). It's little bits and pieces, but it adds up to a significant amount of text copied directly from sources. RoySmith (talk) 16:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
SiegedSec has a tag that says, "This section is in list format but may read better as prose." I'm not sure if such a thing would prevent a main page appearance. SL93 ( talk) 02:09, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
Hello, I would like to reopen the discussion regarding the hook proposed for the article above in DYK. The reason for the reopening is that I asked for a second reviewer (for the hook only) one day before the two month period expired, but my request went unnoticed. The reason for a second reviewer is that I think that the hook is perfectly acceptable, but the discussion went nowhere. Today I also asked for the opinion of another very experienced Wikipedian about this hook and he also doesn't see any problem. So a reopening and a third opinion would be welcome. Thanks, Alex2006 ( talk) 18:46, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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The hook from Template:Did you know nominations/Embassy of the Philippines, Amman appears to fail WP:DYKBLP, but I could be wrong. Pinging nominator Sky Harbor and reviewer TheNuggeteer. SL93 ( talk) 23:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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@ Bruxton, Ergo Sum, and Sohom: substantial copying from press.vatican.va ( earwig report). It's not just the stuff that shows up in red in the report, but as you read through the text, it's obvious that this was just copied with a few words changed here and there. Needs a substantial rewrite, not just more minor sentence tweaks. RoySmith (talk) 14:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Kimikel, and Lajmmoore: there's nothing wrong per-se, but the blow-my-socks-off story is that there was a German colony in Texas. As an American (albeit a neoyorquino), when I think of Texas history I think Mexican, and by extension Spanish. I was schocked to discover there was a German colony. If that could be emphasized more, it would make a much stronger hook. RoySmith (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)
@ SL93, Arconning, and Flemmish Nietzsche: a particularly troublesome "first" hook. I'm willing to accept that the NFL or MLB keep detailed records which can back up these kinds of hooks, but a game played in the 1500s? The source, while nominally the Vatican newspaper, really looks like more of a blog, written in the first person ("He introduced me to many friends with whom I shared a passion for football"). I see lots of other mentions of this, but most don't give their source and those that do all point back to this one. RoySmith (talk) 14:45, 24 July 2024 (UTC)