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... that a Michigan TV station rescued and restored a
weather ball(pictured) that had been sitting for years in a scrapyard? Source: Heibel, Lawrence R. (March 28, 2002). "Weather ball may sit on pole by station: WZZM TV-13 is seeking a zoning variance to build the new home for the stainless steel sphere". The Grand Rapids Press. p. A25. (Available upon request)
Overall: Article nominated two days after promotion to GA. Passes
Copyvio check. Picture is free use. QPQ done. AGF on ALT0 offline source. I prefer ALT0, it's more interesting.
Riley1012 (
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21:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Approving nomination. Article is long enough and promoted to GA 1 day before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and copyvio-free (excluding quoted section). Hook is interesting and well-sourced. Image meets criteria. QPQ not needed. Good to go. Thank you for you nomination
Aszx5000!
Kimikel (
talk)
02:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Poking my nose in while promoting hooks to prep - this hook seems to not really be about the bolded subject, which is
aid climbing. The hook reads as though the bolded article should be
Lynn Hill or maybe
free climbing. Is there another hook possible that focuses more directly on aid climbing?
Premeditated Chaos (
talk)
22:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Premeditated Chaos:, I understand your point but I offered that hook as the whole affair was one of the biggest moments in modern rock climbing history. Some alternatives are:
ALT1 ... that
Jim Bridwell's 1975 aid climbing route, Sea of Dreams, was the first "if you fall, you die" pitch on
El Capitan(pictured - same as above) ?
Yup, I think either of those would work nicely. I leave it to the promoter to pick between them; I'll strike ALT0. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)00:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: From the roster of recent
AFC graduates; as promised on this article's talk page; on behalf of creator Oz346. (Stay tuned as I get another nomination of my own up and running.)
Created by
Oz346 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Since the AfD is out of the way, safe to say I can review this. It's long enough, new enough, etc, cited in article, QPQ done. All good.
JuniperChill (
talk)
08:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: There may be other hooks in there. I avoided the claim of first or only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I because of verifiability.
Moved to mainspace by
Bruxton (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.
This is only a preliminary review for now as the article needs a copyedit when it comes to wording and missing punctuation. However, the article does seem long enough and is adequately sourced and a QPQ has been done. My preferred hook is ALT1, but it doesn't exactly match the article or the source so it might fail at WT:DYK or ERRORS. ALT0 could probably be modified to say he never played organized football before signing up as the current wording might be too vague. ALT2 might need additional context especially for readers from countries where Judaism is not a common religion: my suggestion would be to propose a new hook that explains his 39 jersey and how it related to the Sabbath.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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contributions)
13:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for checking out this nomination.. I did some copyediting but it is hard for me to find my own errors so I would appreciate you calling them out. For hook ideas I prefer that someone click the article to discover rather than getting in the weeds with specificity in the hook. For fifth and sixth hook ideas:
ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article?
Narutolovehinata5 (
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23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a
link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is
c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them.
Bruxton (
talk)
23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that?
Narutolovehinata5 (
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09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed).
Narutolovehinata5 (
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00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Apologies for the delay in reviewing. The article meets requirements for newness and length, and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done and verified. All major statements in the article match the sources, and all hooks are mentioned in the article and verified in the sources. There is one statement in the article, however: the "thought to be the only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I" fact might change in the future, so the mention in the article may need a qualifier. I also note that one of the sources says he's the first known orthodox Jewish college football player, but given the recent brouhaha over "first" hooks it might be the safest option not to go with that. Some variation of ALT4 (I will leave the exact wording to the promoter) is probably the best option here as the most unusual or interesting; my original preference (ALT1) is unsuitable due to not being directly mentioned in the article, as well as not meeting the "unlikely to change" criterion.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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10:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, I think there should be no more issues here. The only approved option here is some variant of ALT4; I will leave it to the promoter on what wording to use, or whether to mention Salz by name in the hook. I do wonder if a hook that goes "that in 2023, the Atlanta Jewish Times suggested that Sam Salz is the only Orthodox Jewish player in NCAA Division I college football?" or even "that The Times of Israel suggests that Sam Salz may be college football's first known Orthodox Jewish player?", but given both are "first" or "only" hooks and thus are likely to be a whole can of worms, they're only food for thought and the nomination can proceed with ALT4 or some variant.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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00:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The fact that he's an orthodox jew playing football is the story, so we'd be silly to shy away from mentioning that in the hook. I think we'd be OK with a "first" as long as we qualify it with "believed to be" or something to that effect.
The Jewish Times says "Salz is believed to be the only Orthodox Jew to play Division I college football this season (if not, the first-ever)", which seems like an appropriate level of hedging.
As for the 39-based hooks, I'm torn between the significance of 39 being lost on most of our readers vs piquing their interest ("what's so special about 39?")
RoySmith(talk)13:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
"Suggests" and "known" and "may be" are really vague though, aren't they? You would have thought that given the ridiculous amount of statistical trivia about the game, there would be a definitive source.
I'm sure they keep all kinds of statistics about on-field performance, but I wouldn't expect they have data on the religious affiliation of every player. And even if they did, who's to say what an "Orthodox Jew" is? It's kind of a self-identify thing.
RoySmith(talk)19:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The issue here is all the recent brouhahas with "first" or "only" hooks and how much scrutiny they get. If we go with that angle, we want to be sure we're right and not have to have another long discussion about how we promoted a factual error, even if objectively this was the more interesting option.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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01:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Article checks out for newness, length, and plagiarism; on the shorter side, but still long enough to be counted for DYK. Well written and well sourced. Hook is interesting and cited; I personally believe ALT1 to be the more interesting of the proposed hooks. QPQ done by editor. Overall checks out, however article is currently
nominated for AfD, so until that process has been completed the review is on hold.Sims2aholic8 (
talk)
09:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply Passing this now that article has survived AfD.
Sims2aholic8 (
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08:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Sims2aholic8 (
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Not a review, but the fact that Diesel is a suspect in a lion mountain homicide strikes me as even more interesting than the proposed hooks.
Bremps...22:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Adding an alt here:
ALT2: ... that the escaped donkey Diesel is "living his best life" with a wild elk herd?
@
Bremps: I really like the "living his best life" quote. Maybe there's a way to incorporate both. Something like...that an escaped donkey "living his best life" may have killed a mountain lion? I'm reluctant to go with a "may have killed" hook though, since others have pointed out that the article is already pretty heavy on speculation. For what it's worth,
this reference indicates that donkeys killing mountain lions is rare, but not unheard of. Maybe
Sims2aholic8 has an opinion now that the article has survived AfD.
gobonobo+c01:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I also really like the "living his best life" quote, so definitely keen to place that in the hook. Also completely understand the reluctance to lean on speculation here re. the mountain lion, but it is a very interesting aspect of this story. Potentially something along the lines of that an escaped donkey "living his best life" with an elk herd was reported to have killed a mountain lion? I think it's important to note why he's living his best life (i.e. with the elk herd); without that caveat I'm not sure how relevant the quote is to the hook.
Sims2aholic8 (
talk)
08:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that after Wong Sau Ying (pictured) attempted to assassinate a British colonial official, the police and press began to associate the
bob cut with
anarchism?
Interesting and clears Earwig, length, QPQ, and formatting, but can you provide a quotation directly in the reference to verify the claim?
Orchastrattor (
talk)
21:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Grnrchst: the bit about the bob cut would be the only thing that needs verification, is the claim paraphrased directly from the author or does the source simply give some individual examples?
Orchastrattor (
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15:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Orchastrattor: Here's a couple excerpts from the text. It goes further into this in preceding and subsequent paragraphs:
The colonial public was chilled by her [Wong Sau Ying's] exacting premeditation. The ‘bobbed-hair woman’ had arrived in Kuala Lumpur only that morning. Some reports said that she came from Canton; others that she was from Penang, and fluent in Malay. They were, above all, obsessed by the way she looked. [...] The year 1925 was when the ‘Modern Girl’ became a global phenomenon, and in this the women of Asia took the lead. [...] There were stories of ‘bobbed-hair riots’ as far away as Mexico City, of rival ‘anti-bobbed-hair leagues’ and ‘bobbed-hair defence leagues’. [...] The ‘Modern Girl’ was increasingly linked to a dangerous, disordered modernity; to nihilism and to anarchism. As one expatriate journal put it: ‘The now notorious “bobbed-haired” lady might just as well have turned up in Venezuela or Tibet for all the relation that her “mission” had to events in Malaya... Politics virtually do not exist in this country.’ The Straits Times brayed for a system of ‘identity tickets’ to indicate who was a loyal subject of His Majesty King George V and who was not. There were suddenly other sightings of ‘strange’ young women in Kuala Lumpur. [...] At the root of the case was her ‘new style’.
Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack
... that when
Didier Berthod failed to make the
first free ascent of Cobra Crack(pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.
Thriley (
talk)
03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) introduced the
waka ama (outrigger canoe racing) sport to New Zealand?
Source:
[1] "Mr Brightwell was made an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for starting waka ama in Aotearoa, a sport he picked up – along with his name and his wife Raipoia – while he was building the ocean-going waka Hawaikinui in Tahiti."
ALT1: ... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) left the eyes of
Ngātoro-i-rangi blank? Source:
[2] "When Mr Brightwell created Ngatoroirangi, he was so upset by the negativity that he left the sculpture's eyes blank."
Comment: Welcome any suggestions for alternative hooks or improvements to the hook or article. There's also a free picture of the Ngātoro-i-rangi sculpture (currently in the article) that could be used as an alternative to the picture of Brightwell, although I'm not sure it'll show up well at 100x100.
Created by
Chocmilk03 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 29 past nominations.
Article is long enough and created a day day before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and free from copyvio. QPQ done. Hooks are both interesting; personally, I think ALT0 works better from a DYK perspective as it's more accessible to someone who doesn't know what Ngatoroirangi is. Image meets criteria. Thank you for your nomination
Chocmilk03!
Kimikel (
talk)
22:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that on 20 July 1982, the neutral oil tanker Hercules was scuttled after being struck by an Argentine bomb during the
Falklands War?
Source: "June 8 .... that afternoon Hercules was attacked without warning in three different strikes by Argentine aircraft using bombs and air-to-surface missiles" from: Sohn, Louis B.; Noyes, John (25 October 2021).
Cases and Materials on the Law of the Sea. BRILL. p. 82.
ISBN978-90-04-48042-1. and "20 July: The VLCC Hercules has her seacocks opened ... it had been decided that the unexploded bomb aboard was too dangerous to defuse and thus sinking was the only alternative" from:Ambrose, A. J. (1983).
Jane's Merchant Shipping Review. Jane's Publishing Company. p. 17.
ISBN978-0-7106-0261-9.
ALT1: ... that the neutral Liberian oil tanker Hercules was attacked three times by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War and eventually scuttled? Source: As above
ALT2: ... that the neutral oil tanker Hercules carried an unexploded bomb into a Brazilian port after being attacked by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War? Source: As above
Approving all hooks on good faith. Article is long enough and was created same day as DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. Hooks are interesting and sourced; the exact pages are unavailable online. QPQ done. Thank you for your nomination
Dumelow!
Kimikel (
talk)
22:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting.
TheNuggeteer (
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00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per
WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
@
Sims2aholic8: Article is long enough and listed as GA same day as DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and free from copyvio. All hooks are interesting and sourced. The problem I have with both the nomination and the article is the use of a user-generated blog as a source. This needs to be either replaced in both the article and nomination before approval.
I'm really not trying to be difficult so I apologize, but this also appears to be a blog (it says as much here). I'm just going to go ahead and approve ALT0 and ALT2 since they meet the criteria. Thank you for your nomination
Sims2aholic8!
Kimikel (
talk)
20:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Staudinger 1904, p. 575: "der Begründer des jungen Heeres Freiherr von Degenfeld" and Wheatcroft 2009, p. 168: "...all the main players planned the decisive battle that would settle the fate of Vienna. The duke represented the Habsburg forces and the Emperor; General Hannibal von Degenfeld took the place of his master, Max Emmanuel, the Elector of Bavaria."
All the sources are offline or in German, but just about everything else is in order. Long enough and new enough. I myself prefer the first hook. A few minor quibbles: (1) A couple of sentences in the Venetian service subsection aren't sourced. (2) Is the Life section break really necessary?
Clarityfiend (
talk)
10:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Third sentence, first paragraph of Venetian service, first, second and third sentences, second paragraph. (If the sources at the end of each paragraph are supposed to cover their entire respective paragraphs, it's inconsistent with how the rest of the article is sourced.)
Clarityfiend (
talk)
14:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
That is exactly the case. I didn't follow a specific pattern of reference for each sentence, e.g. also last parts of both paragraphs in the 'Dutch and Danish service' section...
Constantine ✍ 15:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Since opening this nomination, I have moved the page from Rozelle–Darling Harbour railway line to Rozelle–Darling Harbour Goods Line. The former title reflected general – but not mandatory – convention on articles for Australian railway lines, while the latter reflects the line's common name. As such, this nomination links to what is now a redirect, while the hook itself links to what is now the article's primary title. The article remains the same; it has simply been moved on relatively minor technical grounds.Will Thorpe (
talk)
07:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Created by
Willthorpe (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Launchballer The subject of the nomination is the main page, not the redirect. The title of the article (Rozelle-Darling Harbour railway line) reflects Wikipedia convention on the naming of rail lines in Australia, while the hook and article body (Rozelle-Darling Harbour Goods Line) reflects its common name. Happy to amend if necessary. Cheers,
Will Thorpe (
talk)
01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Windy Zhan(pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong
Cantopop girl group
After Class who has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
Source:
"詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...,她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from
the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
"《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文(Windy)雖然沒有得到三甲名次,但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...,5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
Reviewed:
Created by
Will629 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hello,
Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group
After Class has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--
Will629 (
talk)
19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
This page transcludes a subset of the nominations found on the
page of all the approved nominations for the "
Did you know" section of the Main Page. It only transcludes the nominations filed under dates of the fourth-most recent week. The page is intended to allow editors to easily review recent nominations that may not be displaying correctly on the complete page of approved nominations if that page's contents are causing the page to hit the
post-expand include size limit.
... that a Michigan TV station rescued and restored a
weather ball(pictured) that had been sitting for years in a scrapyard? Source: Heibel, Lawrence R. (March 28, 2002). "Weather ball may sit on pole by station: WZZM TV-13 is seeking a zoning variance to build the new home for the stainless steel sphere". The Grand Rapids Press. p. A25. (Available upon request)
Overall: Article nominated two days after promotion to GA. Passes
Copyvio check. Picture is free use. QPQ done. AGF on ALT0 offline source. I prefer ALT0, it's more interesting.
Riley1012 (
talk)
21:56, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Approving nomination. Article is long enough and promoted to GA 1 day before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and copyvio-free (excluding quoted section). Hook is interesting and well-sourced. Image meets criteria. QPQ not needed. Good to go. Thank you for you nomination
Aszx5000!
Kimikel (
talk)
02:35, 1 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Poking my nose in while promoting hooks to prep - this hook seems to not really be about the bolded subject, which is
aid climbing. The hook reads as though the bolded article should be
Lynn Hill or maybe
free climbing. Is there another hook possible that focuses more directly on aid climbing?
Premeditated Chaos (
talk)
22:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Premeditated Chaos:, I understand your point but I offered that hook as the whole affair was one of the biggest moments in modern rock climbing history. Some alternatives are:
ALT1 ... that
Jim Bridwell's 1975 aid climbing route, Sea of Dreams, was the first "if you fall, you die" pitch on
El Capitan(pictured - same as above) ?
Yup, I think either of those would work nicely. I leave it to the promoter to pick between them; I'll strike ALT0. ♠
PMC♠
(talk)00:42, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: From the roster of recent
AFC graduates; as promised on this article's talk page; on behalf of creator Oz346. (Stay tuned as I get another nomination of my own up and running.)
Created by
Oz346 (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Since the AfD is out of the way, safe to say I can review this. It's long enough, new enough, etc, cited in article, QPQ done. All good.
JuniperChill (
talk)
08:55, 16 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: There may be other hooks in there. I avoided the claim of first or only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I because of verifiability.
Moved to mainspace by
Bruxton (
talk).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.
This is only a preliminary review for now as the article needs a copyedit when it comes to wording and missing punctuation. However, the article does seem long enough and is adequately sourced and a QPQ has been done. My preferred hook is ALT1, but it doesn't exactly match the article or the source so it might fail at WT:DYK or ERRORS. ALT0 could probably be modified to say he never played organized football before signing up as the current wording might be too vague. ALT2 might need additional context especially for readers from countries where Judaism is not a common religion: my suggestion would be to propose a new hook that explains his 39 jersey and how it related to the Sabbath.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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contributions)
13:37, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for checking out this nomination.. I did some copyediting but it is hard for me to find my own errors so I would appreciate you calling them out. For hook ideas I prefer that someone click the article to discover rather than getting in the weeds with specificity in the hook. For fifth and sixth hook ideas:
ALT4 sounds good to me. The article is improved but the wording still seems a bit weird (for example, "As a young boy Salz never watched college football because it is played on the Shabbat and he is an observant orthodox Jew." and "He was not invited to join the football team so he practiced by himself within sight of the football team and eventually earned a roster spot.") I don't have access to the NYT source; is 2003 mentioned in that article?
Narutolovehinata5 (
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23:18, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Narutolovehinata5: Excellent. You can archive a link to read text it by putting the url in archive.ph. Here is a
link to the NYT article. I got 2003 from "Salz, 21, became obsessed with playing college football at a young age, for reasons he can’t exactly pinpoint." It is a 2024 article and 2024-21 is
c. 2003. Regarding the two sentences, I do not see the weirdness to their structurel; if you do please edit them.
Bruxton (
talk)
23:47, 28 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Maybe it's just me not being a native speaker but something feels off about the first sentence to me, but it could just be that it's correct to a native speaker but sounds weird to a non-native one. The second one could probably be rewritten to something like "As he was not invited to join the football team, he practiced by himself within sight of them. He eventually earned a roster spot." Maybe something like that?
Narutolovehinata5 (
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09:03, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
Now that I think about it, ALT4a is quite long. Would it be okay if it got shortened to ALT4a ... that a Texas A&M Aggies football wide receiver wears number 39 to symbolize the tasks or items which Jews should avoid during the Sabbath? "Football" could even be dropped if possible, but given American football's relatively niche popularity outside of North America, just "wide receiver" without context might not make much sense, hence the addition of "football" (or even "college football" if really needed).
Narutolovehinata5 (
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00:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Apologies for the delay in reviewing. The article meets requirements for newness and length, and I did not find any close paraphrasing. QPQ has been done and verified. All major statements in the article match the sources, and all hooks are mentioned in the article and verified in the sources. There is one statement in the article, however: the "thought to be the only orthodox Jewish football player in NCAA Division I" fact might change in the future, so the mention in the article may need a qualifier. I also note that one of the sources says he's the first known orthodox Jewish college football player, but given the recent brouhaha over "first" hooks it might be the safest option not to go with that. Some variation of ALT4 (I will leave the exact wording to the promoter) is probably the best option here as the most unusual or interesting; my original preference (ALT1) is unsuitable due to not being directly mentioned in the article, as well as not meeting the "unlikely to change" criterion.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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10:35, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Okay, I think there should be no more issues here. The only approved option here is some variant of ALT4; I will leave it to the promoter on what wording to use, or whether to mention Salz by name in the hook. I do wonder if a hook that goes "that in 2023, the Atlanta Jewish Times suggested that Sam Salz is the only Orthodox Jewish player in NCAA Division I college football?" or even "that The Times of Israel suggests that Sam Salz may be college football's first known Orthodox Jewish player?", but given both are "first" or "only" hooks and thus are likely to be a whole can of worms, they're only food for thought and the nomination can proceed with ALT4 or some variant.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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00:36, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The fact that he's an orthodox jew playing football is the story, so we'd be silly to shy away from mentioning that in the hook. I think we'd be OK with a "first" as long as we qualify it with "believed to be" or something to that effect.
The Jewish Times says "Salz is believed to be the only Orthodox Jew to play Division I college football this season (if not, the first-ever)", which seems like an appropriate level of hedging.
As for the 39-based hooks, I'm torn between the significance of 39 being lost on most of our readers vs piquing their interest ("what's so special about 39?")
RoySmith(talk)13:18, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
"Suggests" and "known" and "may be" are really vague though, aren't they? You would have thought that given the ridiculous amount of statistical trivia about the game, there would be a definitive source.
I'm sure they keep all kinds of statistics about on-field performance, but I wouldn't expect they have data on the religious affiliation of every player. And even if they did, who's to say what an "Orthodox Jew" is? It's kind of a self-identify thing.
RoySmith(talk)19:17, 14 July 2024 (UTC)reply
The issue here is all the recent brouhahas with "first" or "only" hooks and how much scrutiny they get. If we go with that angle, we want to be sure we're right and not have to have another long discussion about how we promoted a factual error, even if objectively this was the more interesting option.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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01:04, 15 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: Article checks out for newness, length, and plagiarism; on the shorter side, but still long enough to be counted for DYK. Well written and well sourced. Hook is interesting and cited; I personally believe ALT1 to be the more interesting of the proposed hooks. QPQ done by editor. Overall checks out, however article is currently
nominated for AfD, so until that process has been completed the review is on hold.Sims2aholic8 (
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09:35, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply Passing this now that article has survived AfD.
Sims2aholic8 (
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08:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)Sims2aholic8 (
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Not a review, but the fact that Diesel is a suspect in a lion mountain homicide strikes me as even more interesting than the proposed hooks.
Bremps...22:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Adding an alt here:
ALT2: ... that the escaped donkey Diesel is "living his best life" with a wild elk herd?
@
Bremps: I really like the "living his best life" quote. Maybe there's a way to incorporate both. Something like...that an escaped donkey "living his best life" may have killed a mountain lion? I'm reluctant to go with a "may have killed" hook though, since others have pointed out that the article is already pretty heavy on speculation. For what it's worth,
this reference indicates that donkeys killing mountain lions is rare, but not unheard of. Maybe
Sims2aholic8 has an opinion now that the article has survived AfD.
gobonobo+c01:08, 6 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Yeah I also really like the "living his best life" quote, so definitely keen to place that in the hook. Also completely understand the reluctance to lean on speculation here re. the mountain lion, but it is a very interesting aspect of this story. Potentially something along the lines of that an escaped donkey "living his best life" with an elk herd was reported to have killed a mountain lion? I think it's important to note why he's living his best life (i.e. with the elk herd); without that caveat I'm not sure how relevant the quote is to the hook.
Sims2aholic8 (
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08:37, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that after Wong Sau Ying (pictured) attempted to assassinate a British colonial official, the police and press began to associate the
bob cut with
anarchism?
Interesting and clears Earwig, length, QPQ, and formatting, but can you provide a quotation directly in the reference to verify the claim?
Orchastrattor (
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21:12, 27 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Grnrchst: the bit about the bob cut would be the only thing that needs verification, is the claim paraphrased directly from the author or does the source simply give some individual examples?
Orchastrattor (
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15:56, 30 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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Orchastrattor: Here's a couple excerpts from the text. It goes further into this in preceding and subsequent paragraphs:
The colonial public was chilled by her [Wong Sau Ying's] exacting premeditation. The ‘bobbed-hair woman’ had arrived in Kuala Lumpur only that morning. Some reports said that she came from Canton; others that she was from Penang, and fluent in Malay. They were, above all, obsessed by the way she looked. [...] The year 1925 was when the ‘Modern Girl’ became a global phenomenon, and in this the women of Asia took the lead. [...] There were stories of ‘bobbed-hair riots’ as far away as Mexico City, of rival ‘anti-bobbed-hair leagues’ and ‘bobbed-hair defence leagues’. [...] The ‘Modern Girl’ was increasingly linked to a dangerous, disordered modernity; to nihilism and to anarchism. As one expatriate journal put it: ‘The now notorious “bobbed-haired” lady might just as well have turned up in Venezuela or Tibet for all the relation that her “mission” had to events in Malaya... Politics virtually do not exist in this country.’ The Straits Times brayed for a system of ‘identity tickets’ to indicate who was a loyal subject of His Majesty King George V and who was not. There were suddenly other sightings of ‘strange’ young women in Kuala Lumpur. [...] At the root of the case was her ‘new style’.
Climber standing at the distinctive 'Cobra' silhouette groove at the start of the Cobra Crack
... that when
Didier Berthod failed to make the
first free ascent of Cobra Crack(pictured) in 2005, he quit climbing and became a Franciscan monk, but returned in 2024 to make the 20th ascent?
Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. Hook is interesting and sourced. QPQ is done. Looks ready to go.
Thriley (
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03:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) introduced the
waka ama (outrigger canoe racing) sport to New Zealand?
Source:
[1] "Mr Brightwell was made an Officer of the New Zealand Order of Merit for starting waka ama in Aotearoa, a sport he picked up – along with his name and his wife Raipoia – while he was building the ocean-going waka Hawaikinui in Tahiti."
ALT1: ... that Matahi Brightwell(pictured) left the eyes of
Ngātoro-i-rangi blank? Source:
[2] "When Mr Brightwell created Ngatoroirangi, he was so upset by the negativity that he left the sculpture's eyes blank."
Comment: Welcome any suggestions for alternative hooks or improvements to the hook or article. There's also a free picture of the Ngātoro-i-rangi sculpture (currently in the article) that could be used as an alternative to the picture of Brightwell, although I'm not sure it'll show up well at 100x100.
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Chocmilk03 (
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 29 past nominations.
Article is long enough and created a day day before DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and free from copyvio. QPQ done. Hooks are both interesting; personally, I think ALT0 works better from a DYK perspective as it's more accessible to someone who doesn't know what Ngatoroirangi is. Image meets criteria. Thank you for your nomination
Chocmilk03!
Kimikel (
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22:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that on 20 July 1982, the neutral oil tanker Hercules was scuttled after being struck by an Argentine bomb during the
Falklands War?
Source: "June 8 .... that afternoon Hercules was attacked without warning in three different strikes by Argentine aircraft using bombs and air-to-surface missiles" from: Sohn, Louis B.; Noyes, John (25 October 2021).
Cases and Materials on the Law of the Sea. BRILL. p. 82.
ISBN978-90-04-48042-1. and "20 July: The VLCC Hercules has her seacocks opened ... it had been decided that the unexploded bomb aboard was too dangerous to defuse and thus sinking was the only alternative" from:Ambrose, A. J. (1983).
Jane's Merchant Shipping Review. Jane's Publishing Company. p. 17.
ISBN978-0-7106-0261-9.
ALT1: ... that the neutral Liberian oil tanker Hercules was attacked three times by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War and eventually scuttled? Source: As above
ALT2: ... that the neutral oil tanker Hercules carried an unexploded bomb into a Brazilian port after being attacked by Argentine aircraft during the Falklands War? Source: As above
Approving all hooks on good faith. Article is long enough and was created same day as DYK nom. Article is presentable, well-sourced, and free from copyvio. Hooks are interesting and sourced; the exact pages are unavailable online. QPQ done. Thank you for your nomination
Dumelow!
Kimikel (
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22:00, 9 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Overall: The article appeared in the news before, and the hook does not seem interesting because these types of killings are common. Considering the reply of the nominator. I feel life ALT2 is more interesting.
TheNuggeteer (
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00:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
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TheNuggeteer: Thank you for the review. Per
WP:DYKNEW, I’ve mentioned in the comment that the subject is listed only in RD section of the ITN, not bold link.
Although this type of killing may be common elsewhere, it is a rare case in the highly religious country that a prominent religious figure was shot dead by the ruling junta’s soldiers. Plus, it is very few that the junta apologized publicly; he would never show his weakness in public.
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Sims2aholic8: Article is long enough and listed as GA same day as DYK nom. Article is well-sourced, presentable, and free from copyvio. All hooks are interesting and sourced. The problem I have with both the nomination and the article is the use of a user-generated blog as a source. This needs to be either replaced in both the article and nomination before approval.
I'm really not trying to be difficult so I apologize, but this also appears to be a blog (it says as much here). I'm just going to go ahead and approve ALT0 and ALT2 since they meet the criteria. Thank you for your nomination
Sims2aholic8!
Kimikel (
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20:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Source: Staudinger 1904, p. 575: "der Begründer des jungen Heeres Freiherr von Degenfeld" and Wheatcroft 2009, p. 168: "...all the main players planned the decisive battle that would settle the fate of Vienna. The duke represented the Habsburg forces and the Emperor; General Hannibal von Degenfeld took the place of his master, Max Emmanuel, the Elector of Bavaria."
All the sources are offline or in German, but just about everything else is in order. Long enough and new enough. I myself prefer the first hook. A few minor quibbles: (1) A couple of sentences in the Venetian service subsection aren't sourced. (2) Is the Life section break really necessary?
Clarityfiend (
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10:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Third sentence, first paragraph of Venetian service, first, second and third sentences, second paragraph. (If the sources at the end of each paragraph are supposed to cover their entire respective paragraphs, it's inconsistent with how the rest of the article is sourced.)
Clarityfiend (
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14:49, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
That is exactly the case. I didn't follow a specific pattern of reference for each sentence, e.g. also last parts of both paragraphs in the 'Dutch and Danish service' section...
Constantine ✍ 15:39, 12 July 2024 (UTC)reply
Comment: Since opening this nomination, I have moved the page from Rozelle–Darling Harbour railway line to Rozelle–Darling Harbour Goods Line. The former title reflected general – but not mandatory – convention on articles for Australian railway lines, while the latter reflects the line's common name. As such, this nomination links to what is now a redirect, while the hook itself links to what is now the article's primary title. The article remains the same; it has simply been moved on relatively minor technical grounds.Will Thorpe (
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07:03, 4 July 2024 (UTC)reply
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Willthorpe (
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Launchballer The subject of the nomination is the main page, not the redirect. The title of the article (Rozelle-Darling Harbour railway line) reflects Wikipedia convention on the naming of rail lines in Australia, while the hook and article body (Rozelle-Darling Harbour Goods Line) reflects its common name. Happy to amend if necessary. Cheers,
Will Thorpe (
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01:40, 3 July 2024 (UTC)reply
... that Windy Zhan(pictured) is a member of the Hong Kong
Cantopop girl group
After Class who has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
Source:
"詹天文成功考入美國伯克利音樂學院 繼姚焯菲後到海外升學". am730 (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 4 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "After Class...成員...詹天文(Windy)...,她在5歲時已隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
"與顧嘉煇王力宏做校友 詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄". Mingpao Weekly (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Archived from
the original on 21 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "5歲開始隨女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習聲樂"
"《聲夢》詹天文獲伯克利音樂學院取錄成顧嘉煇王力宏師妹 5歲跟名師學聲樂屢獲獎". Headline Daily (in Chinese (Hong Kong)). 5 April 2024. Retrieved 26 June 2024.: "TVB歌唱節目《聲夢傳奇》首季參賽者詹天文(Windy)雖然沒有得到三甲名次,但憑出色歌藝被選中加入女子組合After Class...,5歲已跟專業女高音歌唱家王珊及戚芷君學習正統聲樂"
Reviewed:
Created by
Will629 (
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Hello,
Will629. The nomination is timely and the article is long enough with no copyvios detected. Several entries in the Discography table, as well as the Awards and nominations table, appear unsourced, though. These would require references. I think it can use some tweaking for catchiness; how about this?--NØ19:35, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
ALT1: ... that Windy Zhan(pictured) of the Hong Kong girl group
After Class has been learning and practising
vocal music since the age of five?
MaranoFan, thank you very much for your prompt review. I have corrected the issues and your question suggestion is very good, thank you! May I ask what do I need to do for using your ALT1 suggestion, as I am new for DYK in English Wikipedia. Thank you!--
Will629 (
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19:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply
I have struck the first hook so ALT1 will be considered by the promotor, no further action required. Thank you for correcting the issues so quickly. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith, this is good to go. Welcome to the English Wikipedia and best of luck here!--NØ20:02, 26 June 2024 (UTC)reply