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Moved to keep this abstract and to allow improvement and re-use. Consider using a timeline scheme like the one below: - Ste| vertigo 05:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
SVG version: - Ste| vertigo 07:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
(Copied from another post). You can put hyperlinks on an image. This would improve this image a lot, and was the original motivation for the text version, as I remember. Compare {{ Australia Labelled Map}} and the tool Labelled Image Editor. (This comment also posted on Image:Christian-lineage.png). - Colin MacLaurin 18:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I linked this (new) template up wrongly. It should link to categories, but links to articles. I'll fix it. Rursus 10:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Schism (religion) for discussion of this vs other versions Johnbod 14:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This template looks great. Hence, I propose designing additional "sub-trees" which will give more detail for a particular strand, such as Anabaptists for example. A link could be placed on each template to the other one, i.e. on the end of each node for the main template (this one), and at the beginning for a sub-tree. Colin MacLaurin 09:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it untrue to allegation that the Restoration claims to be of a seperate lineage. The Restoration Movement holds origins in the Protestant Reformation, but we hold seperate goals and beliefs; we are, for lack of a less schismatic word, dogmatically different, but we don't claim to be of different history. This chart shows history of Christian beliefs and where they split; the Restoration split where the solid line shows.
We don't claim to be some seperate body of belief that subverts and over-shadows the rest. We believe the opposite: all Christians are part of Christ's Church, whether we always agree or not.
I opt that the dotted line with it's false label be removed before a reader is given the impression that Restoration Churchs believe themselves better than other Christian groups. IanSvinth ( talk) 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Sources please Do Lutherans see themselves as Catholic and Reformed? This seems improbable to me. While some Lutherans, especially in Northern Europe have kept a high church, liturgical practice, I do not know of any defining documents that identify Lutherans as anything other than a purely Protestant church. - Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 04:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
While what you say is true, most Lutheran groups are averse to being lumped in with reformed churches or catholic churches. I think that the denomination tree should have the "protestant" line split into "lutheran" and "reformed" at the very least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.129.68.23 ( talk) 19:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
'Union' should be changed to 'Uniate'. Assyrian and Oriental Orthodox should also have a line joining The line for eastern rite Catholicism. Orthodox Christianity has a western rite (starting at least 1864, after eastern rite Catholicism). These shouldn't be on the same line (i.e., joining) -- western rite Orthodox should be on the Orthodox line, not a jut-out new line, reflecting the fact that compromises in Catholic theology were made order to accept Orthodox churches into the Catholic communion under a eastern rite. See: Western_Orthodoxy and Eastern_Catholic_Churches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.111.105 ( talk) 19:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this chart is very useful. The Protestant and Restorationist groups really come from two separate lineages. The vast majority of them split from the Anglican church or derived from ones that did. Perhaps a half a dozen or so split directly from the Roman Catholic Church. Lutheranism originated before Anglicanism and split directly from the Roman Catholic church. In addition, the Moravian Brethren existed well before Luther, given they originated around the time of the Jan Huss Controversy. Add the Mennonites, Swiss, and Dutch Reformed to this smaller group.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 07:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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For me, the diagram works in IE8 but not in current Firefox, Opera, Chrome. In Firefox, please test also with View Text Only set and zoomed. 94.30.84.71 ( talk) 22:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
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Template:Christian denomination tree →
Template:Christian denomination tree (categories) – This template links to categories, and is apparently for use in categories, however it is being used in a few articles. I would like to move it to a name which makes it clear that it is for categories and create a new template that links to articles. Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
JFH (
talk) 20:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that Arminianism should have its own branch here because of its strong influence. It has influenced on Methodism, Holiness movement, Pentecostalism, and to some extent on General Baptists, and Restoration Movement. 113.186.91.208 ( talk) 16:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Without a caption explaining what the diagram/template depicts, it is very NPOV. The diagram depicts some, but NOT all major "branches". This is not clear from the existing title, and has been a problem with many editors misinterpreting its intention. -- Zfish118 ( talk) 21:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure why you are adding ref to this chart. The sources do not have more information to give more detail than the chart has, and since the sources do not match the template, it does not show any lack of bais in the template (even if the sources had a lack of bais). Since Eastern Catholicism is not the origin on the Copts, the source CUNY can only be a way to categorize the denominations-- and not infomation on their historical relationships. In others words, its different purpose makes it a poor source for this template. tahc chat 22:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Restorationism is not Protestantism. This template is wrong. Ernio48 ( talk) 22:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I removed the " Branch Theory" annotations. I think there were several problems with them.
Firstly, I think it would generally be accepted by most neutral observers that there are multiple bodies which would generally be considered Christian churches, which have divided from each other at various times; and which vary as to whether they recognise each other. That doesn't require a theory, it is simply a historical observation. Yes, there are disputes among them over which are "truly" the Church, but their existence isn't really disputed.
Secondly, this graph bears no resemblance to Branch Theory. Branch Theory is specifically the theory that a Universal Church, retaining Apostolic Succession, exists in each geographical area - the Eastern Orthodox in the East, the (Roman) Catholic in the West, the Anglican in Britain. If this were a Branch Theory diagram, it would have only those entries on it.
Thirdly, most Christians have never heard of Branch Theory, but would have no trouble recognising the contents of this diagram. This is not depicting branch theory; just history.
We might want to consider the use of the word "denomination", as I know that isn't accepted by Orthodox or Roman Catholic Churches - "divisions", maybe? - but I think saying the only way you can recognise this diagram is if you subscribe to Branch Theory is going quite a lot too far. TSP ( talk) 15:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Since their wide known Nontrinitarian denominations throughout history like Arianism, Unitarianism, Latter Day Saint movement and few more denominations have their own versions of Nontrinitarian theological concept, bigger numbers, ritual and etc. And I think this is time to put them a spot in very above every family (with minor connections in some them like Protestantism or Eastern Orthodoxy for Spiritual Christianity like Doukhobors for example). Chad The Goatman ( talk) 12:50, 21 August 2018 (EST)
@ Tahc: What are you talking about!? There is nothing in the template, its documentation, or its title to suggest that this is a Catholicism-based chart! — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 04:43, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Recently, the Russian Orthodox Church severed communion with Constantinople. I believe that this should be shown on the template, as Russian Orthodoxy splits from the Eastern Orthodox branch. The new labels will say Russian Orthodoxy on one branch, and Constantinopolitan Orthodoxy in the other. 210.6.97.203 ( talk) 08:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
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Baptism | Pentecostalism | ||||||||||||||||
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Arianism | |||||||||||||||||
30 | before 65 | 325 | 1521 | 1530 | |||||||||||||
Latin Church | Catholic Church | ||||||||||||||||
Headquarters in Jerusalem | in Rome ( Vatican) | ||||||||||||||||
431 | 451 | 680 |
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Eastern Catholic Churches | |||||||||||||
1595 Unions | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the seven ecumenical councils | Orthodox | ||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the three ecumenical councils | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the two ecumenical councils or Nestorianism |
Speltdecca ( talk) 21:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
This is all over the place. You've removed several movements, bunched together the Church of the East with Orthodoxy, and the scale on this is unintelligible. Plus, you've included Arianism, which is not a church but a movement. Why not Evangelicalism? It's just confusing. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 23:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Justin (koavf) and @ Chicbyaccident : Thank you for your advices, and sorry for the confusion. I admit that my template is not perfect, and your suggestions will help improve it. Cordially Speltdecca ( talk) 00:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Either way, for the time being, the list of Protestant denominations should change to that of the largest ones:
PPEMES ( talk) 21:34, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Where does the Armenian apostolic church fit in here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molitorppd22 ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
This template seems to be showing up correctly on articles like State church of the Roman Empire but not on categories like Category:Oriental Orthodoxy (text labels overlap with each other and are in the wrong places). Maybe for easier maintenance there should only be one version. -- Beland ( talk) 02:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
For the Protestant branches at the top, it shows that Evangelicalism evolved out of Anglicanism. This is highly incorrect as the Anglican Communion/Church sees itself as a middle ground/mid point for both Protestantism, and Catholicism. Many if not most Evangelical churches today are a mixture of Wesleyan/Arminist/Methodist, Calvinist/Reformed/Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, and Pentecostal/Charismatic theology. Because of this, I am getting rid of Evangelicalism as it constitutes a movement, not a denomination.
Also, the chart shows Anabaptistism, but not Wesleyanism/Arminism/Methodism- a Protestant branch that is certainly more widely spread and holds greater influence globally than the Anabaptists. I will make the change from Anabaptists to Methodist myself. In addition, I have shown that Methodism derives from Anglicanism which is indisputable. -- Leiwang7 ( talk) 08:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Ready to Harvest is a youtuber with a NPOV who has criticised the graph in this video. I think we have to recognize the inherent oversimplification and other problems a graphical representation create. I still think we have to keep a representation as a summary. So I would not be in favour of taking the graph out without a better replacement. 2A02:1810:BCA9:3A00:D559:D71:6115:83A ( talk) 20:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
He misunderstands that the chart is only a schematic diagram (like the famous London subway map) and assigns value to features in the chart that exist purely for practical reasons. Just like the London subway map doesn't display geographical distances, this map doesn't show denomination sizes, priorities or theological distances exactly. Rmhermen ( talk) 05:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Given the descriptor "Major denominational families", I think the branch names can be shortened for clarity and accuracy.
I suggest dropping the "ism" suffix from all protestant branches. It's "the Anglican family", not "the Anglicanism family." The sideways term "Protestantism" can be shortened to "Protestant" as well, and "Protestant Reformation" to just "Reformation" for purposes of the chart. I would like to see some reference to the catholic reformation as well as the protestant, but I don't see an easy way to convey that.
"Catholic Church" should be just shortened to "Catholic." Even though "The Catholic Church" is an entity comprised of many constituent churches, there are parts of this branch not in communion with Rome, yet still validly referred to as non protestant "catholic". See Old Catholic Church and Independent Catholicism.
"Eastern Orthodox Church" and "Oriental Orthodox Church" should drop the "church" for the same reasoning.
With this change, I suggest dropping the confusing "full communion" identifier. Intercommunion has to do with the organized, ecclesiastical entity, not the tradition. There are subsets within these traditions that are not part of the communion arrangement. Furthermore, it seems arbitrary to highlight communion between the Oriental Orthodox tradition with the Catholic and not between Lutheran with Calvinist, for example. Dirkwillems ( talk) 01:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
You chart shows the Catholic Church doesn’t come into existence until the 11 century. Bruh 2600:6C56:6500:985:7CF2:BDF9:3123:1859 ( talk) 07:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
Christianity: History / Catholicism / Eastern O. / Oriental O. Template‑class Mid‑importance | ||||||||||||||||||||||
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Moved to keep this abstract and to allow improvement and re-use. Consider using a timeline scheme like the one below: - Ste| vertigo 05:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
SVG version: - Ste| vertigo 07:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
(Copied from another post). You can put hyperlinks on an image. This would improve this image a lot, and was the original motivation for the text version, as I remember. Compare {{ Australia Labelled Map}} and the tool Labelled Image Editor. (This comment also posted on Image:Christian-lineage.png). - Colin MacLaurin 18:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
I linked this (new) template up wrongly. It should link to categories, but links to articles. I'll fix it. Rursus 10:46, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
See Talk:Schism (religion) for discussion of this vs other versions Johnbod 14:49, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
This template looks great. Hence, I propose designing additional "sub-trees" which will give more detail for a particular strand, such as Anabaptists for example. A link could be placed on each template to the other one, i.e. on the end of each node for the main template (this one), and at the beginning for a sub-tree. Colin MacLaurin 09:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
I find it untrue to allegation that the Restoration claims to be of a seperate lineage. The Restoration Movement holds origins in the Protestant Reformation, but we hold seperate goals and beliefs; we are, for lack of a less schismatic word, dogmatically different, but we don't claim to be of different history. This chart shows history of Christian beliefs and where they split; the Restoration split where the solid line shows.
We don't claim to be some seperate body of belief that subverts and over-shadows the rest. We believe the opposite: all Christians are part of Christ's Church, whether we always agree or not.
I opt that the dotted line with it's false label be removed before a reader is given the impression that Restoration Churchs believe themselves better than other Christian groups. IanSvinth ( talk) 19:54, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Sources please Do Lutherans see themselves as Catholic and Reformed? This seems improbable to me. While some Lutherans, especially in Northern Europe have kept a high church, liturgical practice, I do not know of any defining documents that identify Lutherans as anything other than a purely Protestant church. - Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 04:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
While what you say is true, most Lutheran groups are averse to being lumped in with reformed churches or catholic churches. I think that the denomination tree should have the "protestant" line split into "lutheran" and "reformed" at the very least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.129.68.23 ( talk) 19:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
'Union' should be changed to 'Uniate'. Assyrian and Oriental Orthodox should also have a line joining The line for eastern rite Catholicism. Orthodox Christianity has a western rite (starting at least 1864, after eastern rite Catholicism). These shouldn't be on the same line (i.e., joining) -- western rite Orthodox should be on the Orthodox line, not a jut-out new line, reflecting the fact that compromises in Catholic theology were made order to accept Orthodox churches into the Catholic communion under a eastern rite. See: Western_Orthodoxy and Eastern_Catholic_Churches. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.198.111.105 ( talk) 19:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't think this chart is very useful. The Protestant and Restorationist groups really come from two separate lineages. The vast majority of them split from the Anglican church or derived from ones that did. Perhaps a half a dozen or so split directly from the Roman Catholic Church. Lutheranism originated before Anglicanism and split directly from the Roman Catholic church. In addition, the Moravian Brethren existed well before Luther, given they originated around the time of the Jan Huss Controversy. Add the Mennonites, Swiss, and Dutch Reformed to this smaller group.-- Epiphyllumlover ( talk) 07:39, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
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For me, the diagram works in IE8 but not in current Firefox, Opera, Chrome. In Firefox, please test also with View Text Only set and zoomed. 94.30.84.71 ( talk) 22:10, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Page not moved: withdrawn Ground Zero | t 16:56, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Template:Christian denomination tree →
Template:Christian denomination tree (categories) – This template links to categories, and is apparently for use in categories, however it is being used in a few articles. I would like to move it to a name which makes it clear that it is for categories and create a new template that links to articles. Relisted.
Jenks24 (
talk) 14:55, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
JFH (
talk) 20:08, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I propose that Arminianism should have its own branch here because of its strong influence. It has influenced on Methodism, Holiness movement, Pentecostalism, and to some extent on General Baptists, and Restoration Movement. 113.186.91.208 ( talk) 16:54, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Without a caption explaining what the diagram/template depicts, it is very NPOV. The diagram depicts some, but NOT all major "branches". This is not clear from the existing title, and has been a problem with many editors misinterpreting its intention. -- Zfish118 ( talk) 21:23, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure why you are adding ref to this chart. The sources do not have more information to give more detail than the chart has, and since the sources do not match the template, it does not show any lack of bais in the template (even if the sources had a lack of bais). Since Eastern Catholicism is not the origin on the Copts, the source CUNY can only be a way to categorize the denominations-- and not infomation on their historical relationships. In others words, its different purpose makes it a poor source for this template. tahc chat 22:30, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Restorationism is not Protestantism. This template is wrong. Ernio48 ( talk) 22:11, 24 November 2016 (UTC)
I removed the " Branch Theory" annotations. I think there were several problems with them.
Firstly, I think it would generally be accepted by most neutral observers that there are multiple bodies which would generally be considered Christian churches, which have divided from each other at various times; and which vary as to whether they recognise each other. That doesn't require a theory, it is simply a historical observation. Yes, there are disputes among them over which are "truly" the Church, but their existence isn't really disputed.
Secondly, this graph bears no resemblance to Branch Theory. Branch Theory is specifically the theory that a Universal Church, retaining Apostolic Succession, exists in each geographical area - the Eastern Orthodox in the East, the (Roman) Catholic in the West, the Anglican in Britain. If this were a Branch Theory diagram, it would have only those entries on it.
Thirdly, most Christians have never heard of Branch Theory, but would have no trouble recognising the contents of this diagram. This is not depicting branch theory; just history.
We might want to consider the use of the word "denomination", as I know that isn't accepted by Orthodox or Roman Catholic Churches - "divisions", maybe? - but I think saying the only way you can recognise this diagram is if you subscribe to Branch Theory is going quite a lot too far. TSP ( talk) 15:39, 24 October 2017 (UTC)
Since their wide known Nontrinitarian denominations throughout history like Arianism, Unitarianism, Latter Day Saint movement and few more denominations have their own versions of Nontrinitarian theological concept, bigger numbers, ritual and etc. And I think this is time to put them a spot in very above every family (with minor connections in some them like Protestantism or Eastern Orthodoxy for Spiritual Christianity like Doukhobors for example). Chad The Goatman ( talk) 12:50, 21 August 2018 (EST)
@ Tahc: What are you talking about!? There is nothing in the template, its documentation, or its title to suggest that this is a Catholicism-based chart! — Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs) 04:43, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Recently, the Russian Orthodox Church severed communion with Constantinople. I believe that this should be shown on the template, as Russian Orthodoxy splits from the Eastern Orthodox branch. The new labels will say Russian Orthodoxy on one branch, and Constantinopolitan Orthodoxy in the other. 210.6.97.203 ( talk) 08:27, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
Lutheranism | Protestantism | ||||||||||||||||
1906 | |||||||||||||||||
Baptism | Pentecostalism | ||||||||||||||||
1609 | |||||||||||||||||
Anglicanism | |||||||||||||||||
Arianism | |||||||||||||||||
30 | before 65 | 325 | 1521 | 1530 | |||||||||||||
Latin Church | Catholic Church | ||||||||||||||||
Headquarters in Jerusalem | in Rome ( Vatican) | ||||||||||||||||
431 | 451 | 680 |
1054
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Eastern Catholic Churches | |||||||||||||
1595 Unions | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the seven ecumenical councils | Orthodox | ||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the three ecumenical councils | |||||||||||||||||
Eastern Orthodox Church of the two ecumenical councils or Nestorianism |
Speltdecca ( talk) 21:28, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
This is all over the place. You've removed several movements, bunched together the Church of the East with Orthodoxy, and the scale on this is unintelligible. Plus, you've included Arianism, which is not a church but a movement. Why not Evangelicalism? It's just confusing. ― Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 23:58, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@ Justin (koavf) and @ Chicbyaccident : Thank you for your advices, and sorry for the confusion. I admit that my template is not perfect, and your suggestions will help improve it. Cordially Speltdecca ( talk) 00:30, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Either way, for the time being, the list of Protestant denominations should change to that of the largest ones:
PPEMES ( talk) 21:34, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
Where does the Armenian apostolic church fit in here? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molitorppd22 ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)
This template seems to be showing up correctly on articles like State church of the Roman Empire but not on categories like Category:Oriental Orthodoxy (text labels overlap with each other and are in the wrong places). Maybe for easier maintenance there should only be one version. -- Beland ( talk) 02:58, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
For the Protestant branches at the top, it shows that Evangelicalism evolved out of Anglicanism. This is highly incorrect as the Anglican Communion/Church sees itself as a middle ground/mid point for both Protestantism, and Catholicism. Many if not most Evangelical churches today are a mixture of Wesleyan/Arminist/Methodist, Calvinist/Reformed/Presbyterian, Lutheran, Baptist, and Pentecostal/Charismatic theology. Because of this, I am getting rid of Evangelicalism as it constitutes a movement, not a denomination.
Also, the chart shows Anabaptistism, but not Wesleyanism/Arminism/Methodism- a Protestant branch that is certainly more widely spread and holds greater influence globally than the Anabaptists. I will make the change from Anabaptists to Methodist myself. In addition, I have shown that Methodism derives from Anglicanism which is indisputable. -- Leiwang7 ( talk) 08:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Ready to Harvest is a youtuber with a NPOV who has criticised the graph in this video. I think we have to recognize the inherent oversimplification and other problems a graphical representation create. I still think we have to keep a representation as a summary. So I would not be in favour of taking the graph out without a better replacement. 2A02:1810:BCA9:3A00:D559:D71:6115:83A ( talk) 20:11, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
He misunderstands that the chart is only a schematic diagram (like the famous London subway map) and assigns value to features in the chart that exist purely for practical reasons. Just like the London subway map doesn't display geographical distances, this map doesn't show denomination sizes, priorities or theological distances exactly. Rmhermen ( talk) 05:50, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
Given the descriptor "Major denominational families", I think the branch names can be shortened for clarity and accuracy.
I suggest dropping the "ism" suffix from all protestant branches. It's "the Anglican family", not "the Anglicanism family." The sideways term "Protestantism" can be shortened to "Protestant" as well, and "Protestant Reformation" to just "Reformation" for purposes of the chart. I would like to see some reference to the catholic reformation as well as the protestant, but I don't see an easy way to convey that.
"Catholic Church" should be just shortened to "Catholic." Even though "The Catholic Church" is an entity comprised of many constituent churches, there are parts of this branch not in communion with Rome, yet still validly referred to as non protestant "catholic". See Old Catholic Church and Independent Catholicism.
"Eastern Orthodox Church" and "Oriental Orthodox Church" should drop the "church" for the same reasoning.
With this change, I suggest dropping the confusing "full communion" identifier. Intercommunion has to do with the organized, ecclesiastical entity, not the tradition. There are subsets within these traditions that are not part of the communion arrangement. Furthermore, it seems arbitrary to highlight communion between the Oriental Orthodox tradition with the Catholic and not between Lutheran with Calvinist, for example. Dirkwillems ( talk) 01:23, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
You chart shows the Catholic Church doesn’t come into existence until the 11 century. Bruh 2600:6C56:6500:985:7CF2:BDF9:3123:1859 ( talk) 07:22, 20 May 2024 (UTC)