- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by ツ
Stacey (
talk) 18:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Matzah pizza
- ... that during Passover, some people use matzah as a substitute for traditional pizza crusts?
ALT1:... that some commentators believe pizza was invented when ancient Romans placed cheese and olive oil on top of matzah?- Reviewed: Exodus: An Oratorio in Three Parts
- Comment: For April 22 (the first night of Passover)
Created by Notecardforfree ( talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 6 April 2016 (UTC).
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Newly created and just large enough for DYK purposes. Extensively sourced. I have no preference on the hooks, they're both good. Spot checks show no copy vio issues.
Miyagawa (
talk) 09:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Miyagawa: thank you very much for the prompt review! I am going to move this nomination to the special occasion holding area so that it can be saved for April 22. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:47, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I should also note that my preference is for ALT1. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: I also prefer ALT1, but I'm wondering why Roman soldiers would eat matzah? Do you have any scholars that make this claim, aside from the Abba Eban claim? Yoninah ( talk) 22:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: upon further investigation, it looks like Abba Eban is the only source I could find that mentions Matzah being eaten by Roman soldiers, though it's likely that Roman soldiers ate the various middle-eastern flatbreads that have been been popular for thousands of years. For a fascinating discussion of the origins of pizza, see this article, which cites a number of scholars who trace the origins of pizza to either kosher-for-Pesach flatbreads eaten by Roman Jews or to other paschal flatbreads (there is also a fascinating discussion of the shared history and etymology of "pizza" and "pita"). In any event, I clarified this in the article, and I have struck ALT1. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: thank you. I reorganized the presentation, and feel that the whole section about Origins belongs in Pizza, not here. Perhaps you can rework this so it fits? Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 23:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: per your suggestion, I moved the information about the origins of pizza to history of pizza. I also added some information about recipes for matzah pizza to bring the article over the 1,500 character minimum. Thanks so much for your advice and feedback. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 01:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: thank you. The article is just over 1500 char, but it feels sketchy on the scholarly side. Most refs are cookbooks. I wish you could find more refs other than footnote 3 that talk about the history of the food. Maybe look at newspaper articles? Also, it's unclear from footnote 3 that matzah pizza is actually baked, so I'm wondering if there are two ways to make it, baked or unbaked? Yoninah ( talk) 11:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: I've tried my best to find a record of the history of Matzah pizza, but I have had little luck. I also wish there were more scholarly sources available, but I haven't been able to find much of value on the internet. In any event, I added some newspaper articles from the link you provided to beef up the sources. I also added some sources that talk about Matzah Pizza being baked. Every recipe that I have seen suggests baking the Matzah pizzas, though I suppose you could make it without baking ... I've heard that melting cheese on Shabbos violates the prohibition of Molid, so that may also be a consideration. Thanks again for your help with this article. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 02:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you, @
Notecardforfree: your additional refs are very good. I also found a few more refs to describe the pizza. The first ref that you cite in the Preparation section, which says that matzah pizza is basically melted cheese and sauce on a piece of matzah, seems to be the only one indicating that it can be eaten unbaked. The picture that I added from Flickr also seems to be showing an unbaked piece of matzah pizza, though I'm not sure. In any event, I edited the article a little and think that it is in good shape for a start-class article. I tweaked the language in the hook. Restoring tick per Miyagawa's review.
Yoninah (
talk) 16:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: promoted by ツ
Stacey (
talk) 18:29, 20 April 2016 (UTC)
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Matzah pizza
- ... that during Passover, some people use matzah as a substitute for traditional pizza crusts?
ALT1:... that some commentators believe pizza was invented when ancient Romans placed cheese and olive oil on top of matzah?- Reviewed: Exodus: An Oratorio in Three Parts
- Comment: For April 22 (the first night of Passover)
Created by Notecardforfree ( talk). Self-nominated at 23:48, 6 April 2016 (UTC).
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Newly created and just large enough for DYK purposes. Extensively sourced. I have no preference on the hooks, they're both good. Spot checks show no copy vio issues.
Miyagawa (
talk) 09:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Miyagawa: thank you very much for the prompt review! I am going to move this nomination to the special occasion holding area so that it can be saved for April 22. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:47, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- I should also note that my preference is for ALT1. -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:51, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: I also prefer ALT1, but I'm wondering why Roman soldiers would eat matzah? Do you have any scholars that make this claim, aside from the Abba Eban claim? Yoninah ( talk) 22:05, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: upon further investigation, it looks like Abba Eban is the only source I could find that mentions Matzah being eaten by Roman soldiers, though it's likely that Roman soldiers ate the various middle-eastern flatbreads that have been been popular for thousands of years. For a fascinating discussion of the origins of pizza, see this article, which cites a number of scholars who trace the origins of pizza to either kosher-for-Pesach flatbreads eaten by Roman Jews or to other paschal flatbreads (there is also a fascinating discussion of the shared history and etymology of "pizza" and "pita"). In any event, I clarified this in the article, and I have struck ALT1. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 22:58, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: thank you. I reorganized the presentation, and feel that the whole section about Origins belongs in Pizza, not here. Perhaps you can rework this so it fits? Thanks, Yoninah ( talk) 23:48, 9 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: per your suggestion, I moved the information about the origins of pizza to history of pizza. I also added some information about recipes for matzah pizza to bring the article over the 1,500 character minimum. Thanks so much for your advice and feedback. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 01:28, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Notecardforfree: thank you. The article is just over 1500 char, but it feels sketchy on the scholarly side. Most refs are cookbooks. I wish you could find more refs other than footnote 3 that talk about the history of the food. Maybe look at newspaper articles? Also, it's unclear from footnote 3 that matzah pizza is actually baked, so I'm wondering if there are two ways to make it, baked or unbaked? Yoninah ( talk) 11:20, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
- @ Yoninah: I've tried my best to find a record of the history of Matzah pizza, but I have had little luck. I also wish there were more scholarly sources available, but I haven't been able to find much of value on the internet. In any event, I added some newspaper articles from the link you provided to beef up the sources. I also added some sources that talk about Matzah Pizza being baked. Every recipe that I have seen suggests baking the Matzah pizzas, though I suppose you could make it without baking ... I've heard that melting cheese on Shabbos violates the prohibition of Molid, so that may also be a consideration. Thanks again for your help with this article. Best, -- Notecardforfree ( talk) 02:06, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
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Thank you, @
Notecardforfree: your additional refs are very good. I also found a few more refs to describe the pizza. The first ref that you cite in the Preparation section, which says that matzah pizza is basically melted cheese and sauce on a piece of matzah, seems to be the only one indicating that it can be eaten unbaked. The picture that I added from Flickr also seems to be showing an unbaked piece of matzah pizza, though I'm not sure. In any event, I edited the article a little and think that it is in good shape for a start-class article. I tweaked the language in the hook. Restoring tick per Miyagawa's review.
Yoninah (
talk) 16:42, 19 April 2016 (UTC)