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Who the hell added this section? It sounds like some crazed Whitney fan trying to make her into the greatest singer of all time. This is blatant POV pushing if I've ever seen it and goes against Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Someone please either take it down or edit it so it looks like a professional vocal profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.190.173 ( talk) 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
But that's what she's actually been called, so why take it down? Also if Christina Aguilairia has a vocal section on her profile, why doesn't Whitney? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.226.1 ( talk) 14:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
That wasn't a vocal profile, it was a paragraph praising Whitney as the best singer in the world. A vocal profile goes into the technical aspects of a person's voice. It lists things like a person's range, voice type, highest note, lowest note, longest note, and it may go into different registers as well. She's called "The Voice" but if it was already mentioned in the heading, you don't need another section about it. Citing a music or voice expert's opinion about Whitney's voice is another matter. Whitney deserves a voice section, but it should sound professional and not fan-made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.188.254 ( talk) 13:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The section doesn't even give any citations to her being called "The Voice". It only put her in a few lists as a successful singer. There are unverified statements in it (like her being an influence to other singers), and I call for a motion to delete the section due to a violation of WP:POV as well as a lack of information and statements that do not deal with the section at hand. BalticPat22Pat 20:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Somebody Please Make A Vocal Profile Better
The page is being vandalized by the minute. Why don't you lock it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.190.47 ( talk) 19:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to combine music career, movie career, personal life, and philantroy into one biography. Since that is what the madonna, janet, michael jackson articles are like. Shoop85 ( talk) 02:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Who keeps changing the heading from "Global rise to prominence 1985-1986" to "rise to prominence 1985-1986" ? If Mariah Carey's article can have a heading like "Worldwide popularity", then surely Whitney Houston's can have one too as Whitney became known internationally upon her debut release and it took Mariah several albums. Also Whitney is well-known and established in dozens of international markets, as Mariah is well-known and established in a handful of countries outside of America. As such, Whitney deserves a "global" or "worldwide" in her heading.
Who keeps putting in the article that thanks to the success of "The Bodygaurd" soundtrack, the movie did well. This is basically an attacking remark and it doesn't belong in the article. The movie did extremely well when it was first released, so there's no proof it was simply because of the soundtrack. Madonna has released plenty (and I mean plenty) of soundtracks that did well but the movie performed poorly. So just to state that "The Bodyguard" did well mostly thanks to the soundtrack is not true or proven. It could be, as I suspect, that people went to see the movie because she's was widely internationally known, photogentic looks for the big screen, and people wanted to see her in a medium outside music. The movie most likely would have been successful even without an adjoining soundtrack, so that "thanks in large part to the soundtrack" remark needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 02:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason why there is no discography on this page? That was my initial reason for visiting the article, seeing as all other artist pages have discographies. 97.102.151.47 ( talk) 13:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
There was one but some idiot keeps removing it for some reason. They are trying to be funny. Shoop85 ( talk) 20:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
This article was locked for a long time. Ever since it became unlocked, people have been inserting garbage. Someone is always making crack jokes, some are calling her the N word, someone remvoes the discography, someone keeps making up info about a movie. Can we get the article locked again? I think all big name celebrities should have their pages locked because there are always idiots going around messing things up. Shoop85 ( talk) 20:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
List of awards received by Whitney Houston has been nominated for deletion, on, apparently, the grounds that List of awards received by Michael Jackson does not exist. Uncle G ( talk) 04:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Well Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist ever, so I think it should remain. Are Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyonce, or Janet's Award list pages nominated for deletion too? Shoop85 ( talk) 22:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
This article states that the soundtrack to "The Bodyguard" became the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "Houston continued her success into the 1990s, starting with the box office hit The Bodyguard. The soundtrack to the movie is the best-selling soundtrack of all time ...." and yet, the Wikipedia article for Saturday Night Fever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Fever states that that soundtrack was the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "A huge commercial success, the movie significantly helped to popularize disco music around the world and made Travolta a household name. The Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, featuring disco songs by the Bee Gees, became the best selling soundtrack of all time." SO which one is the best selling soundtrack of all time??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.77.69 ( talk) 05:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
This page definitely needs a section on Whitney's legacy, impact on other artists, and maybe even her influences. What do you all think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.30.72 ( talk) 02:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I already had started writing one a few months ago. I'm still looking for more information. I'll try to finish it before the new album is released though. Shoop85 ( talk) 21:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Shoop85
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist of all time with 411 awards. Why isn't this achievement in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.225.246.65 ( talk) 09:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I am wondering how is The Preacher's Wife soundtrack the biggest selling gospel album??..The are pop songs on this album so the entire soundtrack was not gospel...So that info would be incorrect! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The reason is because it is a gospel album. "I Believe In You And Me" and "Step By Step" may be the only songs that could possibly be not considered gospel, but even they have a theme and message which one can take as religious. An example, let's say I made an album and 12 of the songs were rock songs on the lines of Daughtry or Bon Jovi. For the last two songs (#13 and #14) I covered a Michael Jackson and a Lionel Ritchie song, respectively. I didn't sing them as those artists did, but they were not arranged as rock songs with blaring guitars; just more pop. My album would still be considered a rock album due to the overwhelming theme of the material; i.e twelve of th 14 songs are rock songs. —Preceding
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Why is there no image? Surely there must be a free image of Whitney somewhere that we can use? ( Lil-unique1 ( talk) 00:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
4:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.164.7 ( talk)
There should be a picture of her. This entire article has no pictures of Whitney Houston in it. She has been in the music industry for 25 years; there's no reason pictures should not be there; and also one need to be at the top in the beginning of the article. Everytime a picture is put in the article, someone removes it. I personally think someone is trying to be funny. And keep the nonsense about there are no pictures to put in the article. Surely in the nearly three decades of her career, there are pictures that can be used. How can it be explained that Mariah has pictures in her article plus links to hear those songs of hers, but Whitney doesn't have pictures or links. The links are just shameless promotion, and I notice they're not in most recording acts articles so they should be taken out of Mariah's article. Stop trying to spruce up her sales! I've said it before and I'll say it again; I believe the administrator who oversees this article is a big Marey Carey fan and allows things like no pictures in Whitney Houston's article to happen. Even promotional pictures from her album covers can be used. Someone needs to get on it and stop this nonsense. —Preceding
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I added from Flikr, they have been reviewed and they are fine to keep, do not delete them.
Also, I don't know how to categorize them so if someone could do it it would be greatly appreciated! Jayy008 ( talk) 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm still waiting on a reply from the user that deleted them but it seems everytime the photo's are uploaded somebody delete's them. It's highly annoying and I can't be bothered to go through and upload them again. They were reviewed via Flikr bot. The only reason I can think of is that somebody doesn't like Whitney Houston and doesn't want to look at her. Jayy008 ( talk) 15:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Or jealous of her success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 18:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
There's no mention of this. I don't have any details but she did some kind of small European Tour in summer 1996, with one UK date in Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.204.250 ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
In this article I have removed silly things like a strap or button breaking on her gown, silly things like when she was performing on X-Factor and it was "weird" (what was weird about it?), and things like her redeeming herself at the next perform because it was good (whatever). There are thousands of magazines, newspapers, television shows, radio programs and so forth around the world, so unless something is universally loved or panned by nearly all those media outlets, just shifting through thousand of comments so you can find a bad comment doesn't justify putting it in the article; neither does a good one. I don't want to resort to name calling but, basically, these stupid things have no place in an encyclopedia article.
Encyclopedia articles are meant to inform the reader of important facts that the reader may not have known, not relaying trivial information. This was the same reason the powers-that-be decided it wasn't necessary to put in Beyonce's article that Beyonce fell down a flight of stairs while performing in Orlando (okay, so be it). But putting in Whitney Houston's article that a strap on her back came undone while performing, and her performance being weird when there was nothing weird about it, and then redeeming herself, is nonsense. There's no mention of the important facts like Whitney Houston is the only female artist with a 40+ million selling album; "The Bodyguard" is the top selling album of the entire 1990s; she is the most awarded musical act (male or female) with 412 awards, just receiving the last one Nov 22nd 2009 at the American Music Awards. How can you possiby justify not having this accomplishment in the article but you can put a button broke on her outfit while singing a song?
Also, during the 1989 time frame, there's even a line that says "many black critics 'reasoned' she was selling out". Well first of all, who expected black people to just be regulated to the R&B charts. Whitney Houston, along with Michael Jackson, Run DMC, Salt-N-Pepa, and MC Hammer broke that stereotype as they all had received silly comment like that. Now today, there is not a black artist out there who doesn't want pop hits. They know with that comes money and power. So those aforementioned acts deserve credit for correcting the next generations mind set, not having things written about them saying some black people incorrectly 'reasoned' something. Obviously she did it correctly because black artists today are making pop, hip-hop pop, rock, and musical acts like Jay Z teamimg up with rock bands. The correct phrasing on this topic should be: "some black critics didn't understand or appreciate her pop undertakings at the time". That would be more accurate and a correct statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of her being the only female act with a 40+ million selling album, which is quite an achievement, or that "The Bodyguard" is the best-selling album of the entire 1990s? Seems to me these are encyclopedia worthy comments. Much more worthy than a strap breaking on a dress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 01:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
As far as the pictures being removed, this has been an ongoing issue. But the administrator of this article cannot separate business from personal feelings. He states he cannot keep going in the article an uploading the picture each time it's removed. But if something is changed in this article, like, comments that have no business in an encyclopdeia article or things that are not actually true or unnecessary, he finds the time to go in and revert it back to the way it was stated previously. Hmmm... Seems to me if you have time to go in and change the wording of the article back to the way it was 'everytime' it's changed, then you have time to upload the deleted pictures as well. But then again, he's a Mariah Carey fan, so he doesn't care if Whitney Houston's pictures are deleted. But he will make sure those unnecessary / un-encyclopedia portions stay in the article. As an administrator, he's suppose to know to keep personal feelings out of all articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 02:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no way a person who has been on the music scene for like 30 years has no images that can be used. I just don't believe it. Even pictures from each of her album covers can be used when those albums are referenced in the article. But it makes no sense that Whitney Houston (one of a handful of extremely accomplished recording artists) has no pictures throughout her article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 01:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
207 references.. what's that about.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.218.162.28 ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
How does Lil Wyane hm ave the biggest selling gospel album when the The Preachers Wife soundtrack only had 6 gospel songs on it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article: "Following Bobby's breakthrough, other African-American female artists such as Janet Jackson and Anita Baker were able to find notable success in popular music." Given the list of dozens of female African-American singers who topped the US charts before her, this sentence either says nothing else but "she was yet another one" and is therefore irrelevant, or it is plainly wrong! -- 217.232.236.127 ( talk) 16:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
How is it possible that this article says absolutely nothing about the fact that Whitney Houston's voice has deteriorated immensely during the last ten years, that her last concerts were a disappointment because she didn't sing but talked and many concert-goers complained and demanded their money back? Even the section about I Look To You, about it being so anticipated...and no words about the lack of success that was expected (due to the condition of her voice)? This article is a joke, someone needs to balance it and add information about crash her career has had. This is not personal, but the way the article is now you'd think nothing has changed since the early 90s and she is still at the top of her game, which is far from the truth. Even the introductory paragraph is too kind, it lacks a neutral point of vue Dollvalley ( talk) 18:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I saw some pictures on Flickr. But I remember once an image of Whitney Houston in Germany being deleted from this same page. They are not in Commons. Is it okay to upload them? Novice7 (Talk) 15:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Are we talking now, or in her prime? If we're speaking about her vocal range now, it's C#3-G5, which is just under 2.5 octaves. If we're talking about in her prime, her range was C3-C#6/D6 which is just over 3 octaves. And she's belted up to F#5 in her latest tour, and in her prime, belted several G#5s.
Someone needs to edit the entire Whitney Houston page. All the dates are off by 20 years. Notice the birthdate in the box on the right is 20 years different from the date in the paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.10.69.125 ( talk) 17:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
She's died at the age of 58 not 48... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.50.227.146 ( talk) 17:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Reports say that Whitney Houston had been pronounced dead at 3:55pm. It's a shame she passed away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.230.254 ( talk) 01:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Can you upload a new Whitney photo? maybe a nice one from this year — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I think there's a bug on the page. The image of Whitney doing a performace in 2009 now has the following text associated with it:
"Whitney Houston performing on Good Morning America, Central Park, New York City, on September 1, 2009 and died on February 11th, 2012."
I went to edit the page to remove the strange text (yes, I know she died yesterday but but that's not really relevant to the picture) but I the text associated with the pic ended at the 2009 part and I couldn't find the phrase "and died" anywhere. 89.101.214.246 ( talk) 01:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Whitney houston, death: Her publicist announced that she was dead. Cause is not being released because cops are "investigating" the case. Dwkarate ( talk) 01:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I can't seem to edit... I keep getting edit conflicts. Publicist Nancy Seltzer has denied that Whitney is dead, saying she is alive and well in New Jersey. [1] -- Cowlinator ( talk) 01:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Typo in Whitney Houston death section. The cause of her death *was unknown, not "were unknown."
She died at the Beverly Hills Hotel, not in Canada.
Should be 'the cause of death is unknown' :) 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)wtf 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC) 71.31.220.95 ( talk) 01:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Death rumors are merely rumors. Please refrain from editing that information until all news sources confirm the SAME story. We are not a gossip site and don't want to change every 30 seconds. -- ProfPolySci45 ( talk) 01:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@chilemasgrande was the first person that tweeted about Whitney Houston's death, prior to it being announced on the mainstream news media at 4:30pm, Feb 11, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stng1 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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68.45.149.30 ( talk) 02:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
She died at 3:55 PM Pacific Time in her Beverly Hilton Hotel according to the police. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergamer22 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps try < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17001548> if you are not happy with US media as reliable sources???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
There should be info on her long use of drugs-- 60.242.71.160 ( talk) 02:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Microphage ( talk) 19:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Agree - and I'm sure it will all be mentioned at aCoroner' s Inquest - there is bound to be one: insurance companies nowadays insist on one, as they did with Amy Winehouse, as the payouts involved after the death of someone who brings in this much revenue are massive. Most insurance policies in the industry contain 'no drug use' clauses. They insist on thorough toxicology reports after a sudden death, so a background containing details her known use (with reliable references to newspaper reports etc ) might be worth someone working on, perhaps separately , and adding to this section. The drug abuse spans the past 2 decades now. 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Completely aside from her death, wouldn't significant drug use spanning more than a decade be relevant to mention in this article anyway? Even if she had not died, i would expect to find that information in any comprehensive article about her, or any other highly influential public figure. Rustysummers ( talk) 09:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)Rustysummers
I don't know if Wikipedia even remains a neutral source. Her Drug abuse is all over the internet. And her death might as well be related to drugs. However, I very much doubt if the article would ever contain that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.175.146 ( talk) 12:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
No there is no illegal drug use mentioned in this article whatsoever. Someone in this thread says "there is drug use scattered all over the article". Actually its not. Illegal drug means crack/cocaine. There is lots of material on internet which suggests she has been doing illegal drugs for a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.175.146 ( talk) 20:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that her body was actually found by her brother who was part of her entourage. It was not found by Ray-J — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.102.208 ( talk) 02:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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I'd advise continuing to use the BBC reports as to detail, as there are several conflicts between various US sources.12 Feb: 02:52 GMT 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC) According to Talk Talk newsfeed: "Publicist Kristen Foster said that the singer had died, but the cause and the location of her death were unclear. However, Beverly Hills police Lt Mark Rosen told KABC-TV that Houston died in her room on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton and Beverly Hills detectives were investigating." Feel the police source is more reliable than a publicist who may not even be on the scene. Would the publicist ask for edits for a specific reason ??? 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove external link to "welovesoaps.net" which was added [4].
Per Wikipedia:EL and Wikipedia:BLP policy; that site does not add any fact that could not be added to the article with a reference. Its either a reliable source, or it is not. Wikipedia:V
88.104.27.162 ( talk) 02:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
This comes up every time someone dies and articles are edited, replacing present with past tense. The problem here is that the present tense should stand in many cases. Witney still IS "the most awarded female act of all time", her death in and of itself does not change that fact. What would change that, and mean a change to the past tense would be appropriate, is if some other female was to gain more awards than Whitney. Whitney also remains "one of the world's best-selling music artists, having sold over 170 million albums, singles and videos worldwide", so this, too, should remain in the present tense.
Just because a person dies, it does not make all their achievements null and void. Certain facts will remain forever true. 60.242.166.197 ( talk) 03:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Think Michael Jackson is now the best selling solo artist 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)wtf 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Do we need to protect the talk page? We've had some vandalism here, easy to revert, and i dont want to unnecessarily keep sincere IP's from making edit requests. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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There is extremely offensive material at the end of the 'Death' section. Please remove it.
128.180.139.31 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC) Had already been deleted before your request got posted 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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February 11, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge0112 ( talk • contribs) 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
On the cause of death: Beverly Hills Police Lt. Mark Rosen said there were "no obvious signs of criminal intent" and that the cause of her death is being investigated ( http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/11/showbiz/whitney-houston-dead/index.html).
Jorge0112 ( talk) 04:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Any none gossip sites reporting this? Gossip websites such as star-spin and TMZ aren't considered reliable sources. Secret account 04:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Note that in several parts of the article there are references (some with citation tags) to one or more Rolling Stone biographies, the most current of which is this, but some citation extracts refer to what is much the same Rolling Stone biography, only dated earlier and with different wording, such as:
The current version of which sentence is this:
In such a case, it should be preferable to keep the original reference, with an archive.org link.
Unfortunately, I discovered the earlier reference is also a deadlink and has no archive.org capture and so while it's probably better to refer to the earlier reference, then its being a deadlink introduces difficulties... Possible solution is to find a reference that still contains exactly the same text that was extracted for a citation. - Mardus ( talk) 04:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Of course, this being Wikipedia, it might now be the only place on the Internet to contain the exact same extract from the earlier reference. - Mardus ( talk) 05:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
This entire portion "News of her death elicited a flood of reaction from fans and fellow celebrities. Aretha Franklin said, "It's so stunning and unbelievable. I couldn't believe what I was reading coming across the TV screen". Dolly Parton, who wrote "I Will Always Love You" said, "mine is only one of the millions of hearts broken over the death of Whitney Houston. I will always be grateful and in awe of the wonderful performance she did on my song and I can truly say from the bottom of my heart, 'Whitney, I will always love you. You will be missed"." is a copyvio of the source, look at it: [5] It needs to be properly paraphrased. I removed the content once and don't intend to edit war at this time. I'd rather see it fixed for proper inclusion. My76Strat ( talk) 05:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Keep an eye on the relatively large amount of hostile commentary from non-US sources - e.g. in Australia and the UK, where there is a strong distaste for proselytising drug users, particularly since the apparent knobbling of the Amy Winehouse inquest verdict, which is about to be contested by the insurance company who were clobbbered for squillions. Whitney Houston had not been big 'box office' in the UK for over 12 years, so an entire generation of music fans there only really knew her for being a drug user. 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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The statements in the article are full of mistakes.
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I'd like "OD'd" in the Death section changed to "OD'd (overdosed)".-- 82.71.229.37 ( talk) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
82.71.229.37 ( talk) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Should we be citing TMZ? I don't edit much around celebrity gossip, but I have recently seen contentions that celebrity gossip sites are not to be used to source even known facts.
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The section called witness disapered , looking for link, and cant see in logs. Can oversight restore? 24.15.127.148 ( talk)
just next to the name has to say where she was born and die, not just the dates, are a traditional rule — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.202.195.161 ( talk) 14:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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In the section of the reaction to Whitney Houston's death, there is a typo in the first sentence. It says "attened", when it should be "attend". Thanks for your time!
71.164.108.47 ( talk) 18:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
On the evening of Whitney's death, Elton John performed and dedicated Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me during his The Million Dollar Piano concert at The Colosseum at Caesars Palace -- Dlahey ( talk) 20:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Houston Died Today not Yesterday--------Thanks Anna-Lee Hookerson
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personally i would like to see a change from 'american' singer to 'african american' singer. place of birth stays in tact but it is/was important to many people throughout the world of her being of african descent and a successful international entertainer.
simply having her be 'american' erases the deep historical and cultural connections as to why she was able to singer the way she did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyat ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Agree with Moxy - many people with no African heritage can sing very well indeed! Conversely, Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela are both tone deaf - if does not follow logically that she was (in your opinion)able to sing the way she did only because of her historical/cultural connection to Africa - in fact, the entire contention itself sounds a bit racist frankly. 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
It depends on the extent to which she identified with the African American community and vice versa. We don't pay much attention to whether someone is a Republican, for example, if they are not very active in the party or otherwise known popularly as a Republican. In this case I think her identification is relatively notable.-- Brian Dell ( talk) 01:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Could we get all to watch over the external links. Because of what has happens we have a had a few additions of personal POV filled external links. See WP:SELFPROMOTE, WP:MEMORIAL and WP:LINKSTOAVOID for more on this topic. Moxy ( talk) 20:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Could i get a third party to look at this addition to a personal POV external link that I believe should be removed as per above policy - Guessing the editor needs more then one opinion to stop adding his personal web page here. Moxy ( talk) 21:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Cause(s) of death given so far: (i) Found drowned in bathtub - drinking alcohol for 2 consecutive nights, with bottles of Lorazepam, Valium, Xanax and a sleeping medication found in the hotel room. The drugs were believed to have acted as sedatives, causing her to fall asleep in the bathtub once they had been mixed with alcohol from the previous evenings. Source: Daily Mail (UK) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html (reported by paper at 22.39 on 12/02/2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
13/02/12: Coroner's Office have sealed the evidence for a 1 month period before the inquest - so it would appear no 'foul play' was suspected, or he/she would have opened and suspended the inquest, pending police investigations. 212.139.103.145 ( talk) 17:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)twl17:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I just want to say that I think we all agree that until we have reliably sourced information, we keep speculation and leaks out of the article. But we should try to keep it off of the talk page too - we need to focus on how to improve the entire article, not to discuss the sad details of her death, except as they relate to the article. There's just a lot to follow here, and we've had over 7 million views in the last two days - we need to keep a close eye on the article and make it as good as it can be, so limiting talk comments that are not directly related to improving the piece would be appreciated. Tvoz/ talk 18:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The following comments was sent to OTRS; with the sender's permission, I am placing it here: "Very interesting bio...but under Voice(section3 #3.1) her range is quoted as G3 to Bflat5 and@ times able to "belt out up to F5".. This is probably a typo as F5 is below Bflat 5 not above it... I unsuccessfully tried to check your reference #(#228) ..". Make of it what you will—I don't know anything about music, so I'm not qualified to judge if anything needs to be changed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
See debate at Talk:I_Will_Always_Love_You#Sample_change.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe that Wikipedia is still using the recent deaths tag. Can we put it at the head of this one, as this article is getting a lot of viewings and at the time of her typing (February 14 2012), this is a case of "information might change as new information comes to light". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 20:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The results had yet to be determined. The case is supposed to be sealed. But a leak from the dept a insider tells radaronline.com. I ask the Wiki lock the pages until the results are released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.128.146 ( talk) 00:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Why was information about her death removed from the lead? That is definitely lead material, per WP:LEAD. Are editors waiting for the results for how she died? Flyer22 ( talk) 17:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be something in the lead about Houston's origins, how she emerged on the pop scene, as seen in this diff? The Michael Jackson article also does this, in the first paragraph. To only have her achievements and death in the lead doesn't tell us who Houston was before that. Adding her origins/how she debuted also follows WP:LEAD, since we do dedicate a part of this article to her early life. Flyer22 ( talk) 20:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
During Aretha Franklin's interview with Al Roker of NBC's the Today Show, Aretha told Al that she was not Whitney's Godmother and she doesn't know how that rumor started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.87.49 ( talk) 13:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Nancy Grace spoke with Whitney Houston's godmother and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame singer Darlene Love.
Love remembers meeting Whitney when she was only eight-years-old. She describes Whitney as a caring, nurturing young child who always took care of others. Love begins to cry as she tells HLN's Nancy Grace how positive and full of life Whitney always was, saying, "...she was a light, that has been put out." |
I watched an interview by Shirley Caesar and she also mentioned being Whitney's godmother. I thought that was interesting. The Aretha thing was strictly PR. BrothaTimothy ( talk · contribs) 23:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Should we really say that Brown was invited but left early? That is Brown's story, when it may be that he was actually banned from the funeral like reports are acknowledging may have been the case. No source is saying that he was banned, except for TMZ.com (and they don't usually count as a reliable source here at Wikipedia, despite their having been right about many, if not most, things), but I would think that we should wait to hear from both sides. See if the other side confirms or refutes that Brown was banned from the funeral before we say that he was invited. I have no problem with saying that he attended and left early, but saying that he was invited has only been his story. Flyer22 ( talk) 13:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I think there should be criticism section about her numerous black critics who said she said she sounded too white when singing. I think this a significant part of her early career does anyone else agree.Here are some links I am thinking of using. [8] [9] [10] Dwanyewest ( talk) 17:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
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Who the hell added this section? It sounds like some crazed Whitney fan trying to make her into the greatest singer of all time. This is blatant POV pushing if I've ever seen it and goes against Wikipedia's neutrality policy. Someone please either take it down or edit it so it looks like a professional vocal profile. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.190.173 ( talk) 00:09, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
But that's what she's actually been called, so why take it down? Also if Christina Aguilairia has a vocal section on her profile, why doesn't Whitney? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.3.226.1 ( talk) 14:22, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
That wasn't a vocal profile, it was a paragraph praising Whitney as the best singer in the world. A vocal profile goes into the technical aspects of a person's voice. It lists things like a person's range, voice type, highest note, lowest note, longest note, and it may go into different registers as well. She's called "The Voice" but if it was already mentioned in the heading, you don't need another section about it. Citing a music or voice expert's opinion about Whitney's voice is another matter. Whitney deserves a voice section, but it should sound professional and not fan-made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.26.188.254 ( talk) 13:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The section doesn't even give any citations to her being called "The Voice". It only put her in a few lists as a successful singer. There are unverified statements in it (like her being an influence to other singers), and I call for a motion to delete the section due to a violation of WP:POV as well as a lack of information and statements that do not deal with the section at hand. BalticPat22Pat 20:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Somebody Please Make A Vocal Profile Better
The page is being vandalized by the minute. Why don't you lock it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.190.47 ( talk) 19:42, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to combine music career, movie career, personal life, and philantroy into one biography. Since that is what the madonna, janet, michael jackson articles are like. Shoop85 ( talk) 02:36, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Who keeps changing the heading from "Global rise to prominence 1985-1986" to "rise to prominence 1985-1986" ? If Mariah Carey's article can have a heading like "Worldwide popularity", then surely Whitney Houston's can have one too as Whitney became known internationally upon her debut release and it took Mariah several albums. Also Whitney is well-known and established in dozens of international markets, as Mariah is well-known and established in a handful of countries outside of America. As such, Whitney deserves a "global" or "worldwide" in her heading.
Who keeps putting in the article that thanks to the success of "The Bodygaurd" soundtrack, the movie did well. This is basically an attacking remark and it doesn't belong in the article. The movie did extremely well when it was first released, so there's no proof it was simply because of the soundtrack. Madonna has released plenty (and I mean plenty) of soundtracks that did well but the movie performed poorly. So just to state that "The Bodyguard" did well mostly thanks to the soundtrack is not true or proven. It could be, as I suspect, that people went to see the movie because she's was widely internationally known, photogentic looks for the big screen, and people wanted to see her in a medium outside music. The movie most likely would have been successful even without an adjoining soundtrack, so that "thanks in large part to the soundtrack" remark needs to be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 02:42, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
Is there a particular reason why there is no discography on this page? That was my initial reason for visiting the article, seeing as all other artist pages have discographies. 97.102.151.47 ( talk) 13:48, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
There was one but some idiot keeps removing it for some reason. They are trying to be funny. Shoop85 ( talk) 20:53, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
This article was locked for a long time. Ever since it became unlocked, people have been inserting garbage. Someone is always making crack jokes, some are calling her the N word, someone remvoes the discography, someone keeps making up info about a movie. Can we get the article locked again? I think all big name celebrities should have their pages locked because there are always idiots going around messing things up. Shoop85 ( talk) 20:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
List of awards received by Whitney Houston has been nominated for deletion, on, apparently, the grounds that List of awards received by Michael Jackson does not exist. Uncle G ( talk) 04:53, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Well Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist ever, so I think it should remain. Are Madonna, Mariah Carey, Beyonce, or Janet's Award list pages nominated for deletion too? Shoop85 ( talk) 22:58, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
This article states that the soundtrack to "The Bodyguard" became the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "Houston continued her success into the 1990s, starting with the box office hit The Bodyguard. The soundtrack to the movie is the best-selling soundtrack of all time ...." and yet, the Wikipedia article for Saturday Night Fever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Fever states that that soundtrack was the best-selling soundtrack of all time: "A huge commercial success, the movie significantly helped to popularize disco music around the world and made Travolta a household name. The Saturday Night Fever soundtrack, featuring disco songs by the Bee Gees, became the best selling soundtrack of all time." SO which one is the best selling soundtrack of all time??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.77.69 ( talk) 05:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
This page definitely needs a section on Whitney's legacy, impact on other artists, and maybe even her influences. What do you all think? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.30.72 ( talk) 02:08, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
I agree, I already had started writing one a few months ago. I'm still looking for more information. I'll try to finish it before the new album is released though. Shoop85 ( talk) 21:16, 23 April 2009 (UTC)Shoop85
According to the Guinness Book of World Records, Whitney Houston is the most awarded female artist of all time with 411 awards. Why isn't this achievement in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.225.246.65 ( talk) 09:10, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
I am wondering how is The Preacher's Wife soundtrack the biggest selling gospel album??..The are pop songs on this album so the entire soundtrack was not gospel...So that info would be incorrect! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow ( talk • contribs) 07:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
The reason is because it is a gospel album. "I Believe In You And Me" and "Step By Step" may be the only songs that could possibly be not considered gospel, but even they have a theme and message which one can take as religious. An example, let's say I made an album and 12 of the songs were rock songs on the lines of Daughtry or Bon Jovi. For the last two songs (#13 and #14) I covered a Michael Jackson and a Lionel Ritchie song, respectively. I didn't sing them as those artists did, but they were not arranged as rock songs with blaring guitars; just more pop. My album would still be considered a rock album due to the overwhelming theme of the material; i.e twelve of th 14 songs are rock songs. —Preceding
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Why is there no image? Surely there must be a free image of Whitney somewhere that we can use? ( Lil-unique1 ( talk) 00:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
4:27, 13 September 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.164.7 ( talk)
There should be a picture of her. This entire article has no pictures of Whitney Houston in it. She has been in the music industry for 25 years; there's no reason pictures should not be there; and also one need to be at the top in the beginning of the article. Everytime a picture is put in the article, someone removes it. I personally think someone is trying to be funny. And keep the nonsense about there are no pictures to put in the article. Surely in the nearly three decades of her career, there are pictures that can be used. How can it be explained that Mariah has pictures in her article plus links to hear those songs of hers, but Whitney doesn't have pictures or links. The links are just shameless promotion, and I notice they're not in most recording acts articles so they should be taken out of Mariah's article. Stop trying to spruce up her sales! I've said it before and I'll say it again; I believe the administrator who oversees this article is a big Marey Carey fan and allows things like no pictures in Whitney Houston's article to happen. Even promotional pictures from her album covers can be used. Someone needs to get on it and stop this nonsense. —Preceding
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I added from Flikr, they have been reviewed and they are fine to keep, do not delete them.
Also, I don't know how to categorize them so if someone could do it it would be greatly appreciated! Jayy008 ( talk) 19:07, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm still waiting on a reply from the user that deleted them but it seems everytime the photo's are uploaded somebody delete's them. It's highly annoying and I can't be bothered to go through and upload them again. They were reviewed via Flikr bot. The only reason I can think of is that somebody doesn't like Whitney Houston and doesn't want to look at her. Jayy008 ( talk) 15:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
Or jealous of her success. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 18:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
There's no mention of this. I don't have any details but she did some kind of small European Tour in summer 1996, with one UK date in Manchester. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.127.204.250 ( talk) 13:22, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
In this article I have removed silly things like a strap or button breaking on her gown, silly things like when she was performing on X-Factor and it was "weird" (what was weird about it?), and things like her redeeming herself at the next perform because it was good (whatever). There are thousands of magazines, newspapers, television shows, radio programs and so forth around the world, so unless something is universally loved or panned by nearly all those media outlets, just shifting through thousand of comments so you can find a bad comment doesn't justify putting it in the article; neither does a good one. I don't want to resort to name calling but, basically, these stupid things have no place in an encyclopedia article.
Encyclopedia articles are meant to inform the reader of important facts that the reader may not have known, not relaying trivial information. This was the same reason the powers-that-be decided it wasn't necessary to put in Beyonce's article that Beyonce fell down a flight of stairs while performing in Orlando (okay, so be it). But putting in Whitney Houston's article that a strap on her back came undone while performing, and her performance being weird when there was nothing weird about it, and then redeeming herself, is nonsense. There's no mention of the important facts like Whitney Houston is the only female artist with a 40+ million selling album; "The Bodyguard" is the top selling album of the entire 1990s; she is the most awarded musical act (male or female) with 412 awards, just receiving the last one Nov 22nd 2009 at the American Music Awards. How can you possiby justify not having this accomplishment in the article but you can put a button broke on her outfit while singing a song?
Also, during the 1989 time frame, there's even a line that says "many black critics 'reasoned' she was selling out". Well first of all, who expected black people to just be regulated to the R&B charts. Whitney Houston, along with Michael Jackson, Run DMC, Salt-N-Pepa, and MC Hammer broke that stereotype as they all had received silly comment like that. Now today, there is not a black artist out there who doesn't want pop hits. They know with that comes money and power. So those aforementioned acts deserve credit for correcting the next generations mind set, not having things written about them saying some black people incorrectly 'reasoned' something. Obviously she did it correctly because black artists today are making pop, hip-hop pop, rock, and musical acts like Jay Z teamimg up with rock bands. The correct phrasing on this topic should be: "some black critics didn't understand or appreciate her pop undertakings at the time". That would be more accurate and a correct statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 20:00, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
Why no mention of her being the only female act with a 40+ million selling album, which is quite an achievement, or that "The Bodyguard" is the best-selling album of the entire 1990s? Seems to me these are encyclopedia worthy comments. Much more worthy than a strap breaking on a dress. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 01:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
As far as the pictures being removed, this has been an ongoing issue. But the administrator of this article cannot separate business from personal feelings. He states he cannot keep going in the article an uploading the picture each time it's removed. But if something is changed in this article, like, comments that have no business in an encyclopdeia article or things that are not actually true or unnecessary, he finds the time to go in and revert it back to the way it was stated previously. Hmmm... Seems to me if you have time to go in and change the wording of the article back to the way it was 'everytime' it's changed, then you have time to upload the deleted pictures as well. But then again, he's a Mariah Carey fan, so he doesn't care if Whitney Houston's pictures are deleted. But he will make sure those unnecessary / un-encyclopedia portions stay in the article. As an administrator, he's suppose to know to keep personal feelings out of all articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 02:01, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
There is no way a person who has been on the music scene for like 30 years has no images that can be used. I just don't believe it. Even pictures from each of her album covers can be used when those albums are referenced in the article. But it makes no sense that Whitney Houston (one of a handful of extremely accomplished recording artists) has no pictures throughout her article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 ( talk) 01:44, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
207 references.. what's that about.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.218.162.28 ( talk) 21:46, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
How does Lil Wyane hm ave the biggest selling gospel album when the The Preachers Wife soundtrack only had 6 gospel songs on it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miketlow ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
From the article: "Following Bobby's breakthrough, other African-American female artists such as Janet Jackson and Anita Baker were able to find notable success in popular music." Given the list of dozens of female African-American singers who topped the US charts before her, this sentence either says nothing else but "she was yet another one" and is therefore irrelevant, or it is plainly wrong! -- 217.232.236.127 ( talk) 16:23, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
How is it possible that this article says absolutely nothing about the fact that Whitney Houston's voice has deteriorated immensely during the last ten years, that her last concerts were a disappointment because she didn't sing but talked and many concert-goers complained and demanded their money back? Even the section about I Look To You, about it being so anticipated...and no words about the lack of success that was expected (due to the condition of her voice)? This article is a joke, someone needs to balance it and add information about crash her career has had. This is not personal, but the way the article is now you'd think nothing has changed since the early 90s and she is still at the top of her game, which is far from the truth. Even the introductory paragraph is too kind, it lacks a neutral point of vue Dollvalley ( talk) 18:22, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I saw some pictures on Flickr. But I remember once an image of Whitney Houston in Germany being deleted from this same page. They are not in Commons. Is it okay to upload them? Novice7 (Talk) 15:56, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
Are we talking now, or in her prime? If we're speaking about her vocal range now, it's C#3-G5, which is just under 2.5 octaves. If we're talking about in her prime, her range was C3-C#6/D6 which is just over 3 octaves. And she's belted up to F#5 in her latest tour, and in her prime, belted several G#5s.
Someone needs to edit the entire Whitney Houston page. All the dates are off by 20 years. Notice the birthdate in the box on the right is 20 years different from the date in the paragraph. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.10.69.125 ( talk) 17:21, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
She's died at the age of 58 not 48... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.50.227.146 ( talk) 17:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Reports say that Whitney Houston had been pronounced dead at 3:55pm. It's a shame she passed away. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.230.254 ( talk) 01:28, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Can you upload a new Whitney photo? maybe a nice one from this year — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 ( talk • contribs) 12:14, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
I think there's a bug on the page. The image of Whitney doing a performace in 2009 now has the following text associated with it:
"Whitney Houston performing on Good Morning America, Central Park, New York City, on September 1, 2009 and died on February 11th, 2012."
I went to edit the page to remove the strange text (yes, I know she died yesterday but but that's not really relevant to the picture) but I the text associated with the pic ended at the 2009 part and I couldn't find the phrase "and died" anywhere. 89.101.214.246 ( talk) 01:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Whitney houston, death: Her publicist announced that she was dead. Cause is not being released because cops are "investigating" the case. Dwkarate ( talk) 01:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
I can't seem to edit... I keep getting edit conflicts. Publicist Nancy Seltzer has denied that Whitney is dead, saying she is alive and well in New Jersey. [1] -- Cowlinator ( talk) 01:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Typo in Whitney Houston death section. The cause of her death *was unknown, not "were unknown."
She died at the Beverly Hills Hotel, not in Canada.
Should be 'the cause of death is unknown' :) 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC)wtf 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:12, 12 February 2012 (UTC) 71.31.220.95 ( talk) 01:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Death rumors are merely rumors. Please refrain from editing that information until all news sources confirm the SAME story. We are not a gossip site and don't want to change every 30 seconds. -- ProfPolySci45 ( talk) 01:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
@chilemasgrande was the first person that tweeted about Whitney Houston's death, prior to it being announced on the mainstream news media at 4:30pm, Feb 11, 2012. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stng1 ( talk • contribs) 19:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
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She died at 3:55 PM Pacific Time in her Beverly Hilton Hotel according to the police. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Supergamer22 ( talk • contribs) 02:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Perhaps try < http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-17001548> if you are not happy with US media as reliable sources???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
There should be info on her long use of drugs-- 60.242.71.160 ( talk) 02:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Microphage ( talk) 19:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Agree - and I'm sure it will all be mentioned at aCoroner' s Inquest - there is bound to be one: insurance companies nowadays insist on one, as they did with Amy Winehouse, as the payouts involved after the death of someone who brings in this much revenue are massive. Most insurance policies in the industry contain 'no drug use' clauses. They insist on thorough toxicology reports after a sudden death, so a background containing details her known use (with reliable references to newspaper reports etc ) might be worth someone working on, perhaps separately , and adding to this section. The drug abuse spans the past 2 decades now. 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Completely aside from her death, wouldn't significant drug use spanning more than a decade be relevant to mention in this article anyway? Even if she had not died, i would expect to find that information in any comprehensive article about her, or any other highly influential public figure. Rustysummers ( talk) 09:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)Rustysummers
I don't know if Wikipedia even remains a neutral source. Her Drug abuse is all over the internet. And her death might as well be related to drugs. However, I very much doubt if the article would ever contain that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.175.146 ( talk) 12:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
No there is no illegal drug use mentioned in this article whatsoever. Someone in this thread says "there is drug use scattered all over the article". Actually its not. Illegal drug means crack/cocaine. There is lots of material on internet which suggests she has been doing illegal drugs for a long time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.169.175.146 ( talk) 20:17, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
CNN is reporting that her body was actually found by her brother who was part of her entourage. It was not found by Ray-J — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.102.208 ( talk) 02:59, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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I'd advise continuing to use the BBC reports as to detail, as there are several conflicts between various US sources.12 Feb: 02:52 GMT 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC) According to Talk Talk newsfeed: "Publicist Kristen Foster said that the singer had died, but the cause and the location of her death were unclear. However, Beverly Hills police Lt Mark Rosen told KABC-TV that Houston died in her room on the fourth floor of the Beverly Hilton and Beverly Hills detectives were investigating." Feel the police source is more reliable than a publicist who may not even be on the scene. Would the publicist ask for edits for a specific reason ??? 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 02:58, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Please remove external link to "welovesoaps.net" which was added [4].
Per Wikipedia:EL and Wikipedia:BLP policy; that site does not add any fact that could not be added to the article with a reference. Its either a reliable source, or it is not. Wikipedia:V
88.104.27.162 ( talk) 02:49, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
This comes up every time someone dies and articles are edited, replacing present with past tense. The problem here is that the present tense should stand in many cases. Witney still IS "the most awarded female act of all time", her death in and of itself does not change that fact. What would change that, and mean a change to the past tense would be appropriate, is if some other female was to gain more awards than Whitney. Whitney also remains "one of the world's best-selling music artists, having sold over 170 million albums, singles and videos worldwide", so this, too, should remain in the present tense.
Just because a person dies, it does not make all their achievements null and void. Certain facts will remain forever true. 60.242.166.197 ( talk) 03:11, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Think Michael Jackson is now the best selling solo artist 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)wtf 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Do we need to protect the talk page? We've had some vandalism here, easy to revert, and i dont want to unnecessarily keep sincere IP's from making edit requests. Mercurywoodrose ( talk) 03:28, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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There is extremely offensive material at the end of the 'Death' section. Please remove it.
128.180.139.31 ( talk) 03:53, 12 February 2012 (UTC) Had already been deleted before your request got posted 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 79.70.228.142 ( talk) 03:57, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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February 11, 2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorge0112 ( talk • contribs) 04:27, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
On the cause of death: Beverly Hills Police Lt. Mark Rosen said there were "no obvious signs of criminal intent" and that the cause of her death is being investigated ( http://www.cnn.com/2012/02/11/showbiz/whitney-houston-dead/index.html).
Jorge0112 ( talk) 04:10, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Any none gossip sites reporting this? Gossip websites such as star-spin and TMZ aren't considered reliable sources. Secret account 04:14, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Note that in several parts of the article there are references (some with citation tags) to one or more Rolling Stone biographies, the most current of which is this, but some citation extracts refer to what is much the same Rolling Stone biography, only dated earlier and with different wording, such as:
The current version of which sentence is this:
In such a case, it should be preferable to keep the original reference, with an archive.org link.
Unfortunately, I discovered the earlier reference is also a deadlink and has no archive.org capture and so while it's probably better to refer to the earlier reference, then its being a deadlink introduces difficulties... Possible solution is to find a reference that still contains exactly the same text that was extracted for a citation. - Mardus ( talk) 04:16, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Of course, this being Wikipedia, it might now be the only place on the Internet to contain the exact same extract from the earlier reference. - Mardus ( talk) 05:08, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
This entire portion "News of her death elicited a flood of reaction from fans and fellow celebrities. Aretha Franklin said, "It's so stunning and unbelievable. I couldn't believe what I was reading coming across the TV screen". Dolly Parton, who wrote "I Will Always Love You" said, "mine is only one of the millions of hearts broken over the death of Whitney Houston. I will always be grateful and in awe of the wonderful performance she did on my song and I can truly say from the bottom of my heart, 'Whitney, I will always love you. You will be missed"." is a copyvio of the source, look at it: [5] It needs to be properly paraphrased. I removed the content once and don't intend to edit war at this time. I'd rather see it fixed for proper inclusion. My76Strat ( talk) 05:38, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Keep an eye on the relatively large amount of hostile commentary from non-US sources - e.g. in Australia and the UK, where there is a strong distaste for proselytising drug users, particularly since the apparent knobbling of the Amy Winehouse inquest verdict, which is about to be contested by the insurance company who were clobbbered for squillions. Whitney Houston had not been big 'box office' in the UK for over 12 years, so an entire generation of music fans there only really knew her for being a drug user. 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:18, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
No need to talk about this at this time and place "Navigational templates"
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Recently, an editor removed her honors navboxes They appeared as shown above. I have restored them, but their inclusion is up for debate.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 06:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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The statements in the article are full of mistakes.
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I'd like "OD'd" in the Death section changed to "OD'd (overdosed)".-- 82.71.229.37 ( talk) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
82.71.229.37 ( talk) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Should we be citing TMZ? I don't edit much around celebrity gossip, but I have recently seen contentions that celebrity gossip sites are not to be used to source even known facts.
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Farmbrough, 12:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC).
The section called witness disapered , looking for link, and cant see in logs. Can oversight restore? 24.15.127.148 ( talk)
just next to the name has to say where she was born and die, not just the dates, are a traditional rule — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.202.195.161 ( talk) 14:44, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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In the section of the reaction to Whitney Houston's death, there is a typo in the first sentence. It says "attened", when it should be "attend". Thanks for your time!
71.164.108.47 ( talk) 18:26, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
On the evening of Whitney's death, Elton John performed and dedicated Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me during his The Million Dollar Piano concert at The Colosseum at Caesars Palace -- Dlahey ( talk) 20:45, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
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Houston Died Today not Yesterday--------Thanks Anna-Lee Hookerson
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personally i would like to see a change from 'american' singer to 'african american' singer. place of birth stays in tact but it is/was important to many people throughout the world of her being of african descent and a successful international entertainer.
simply having her be 'american' erases the deep historical and cultural connections as to why she was able to singer the way she did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joyat ( talk • contribs) 20:03, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Agree with Moxy - many people with no African heritage can sing very well indeed! Conversely, Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela are both tone deaf - if does not follow logically that she was (in your opinion)able to sing the way she did only because of her historical/cultural connection to Africa - in fact, the entire contention itself sounds a bit racist frankly. 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)twl 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:05, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
It depends on the extent to which she identified with the African American community and vice versa. We don't pay much attention to whether someone is a Republican, for example, if they are not very active in the party or otherwise known popularly as a Republican. In this case I think her identification is relatively notable.-- Brian Dell ( talk) 01:54, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Could we get all to watch over the external links. Because of what has happens we have a had a few additions of personal POV filled external links. See WP:SELFPROMOTE, WP:MEMORIAL and WP:LINKSTOAVOID for more on this topic. Moxy ( talk) 20:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Could i get a third party to look at this addition to a personal POV external link that I believe should be removed as per above policy - Guessing the editor needs more then one opinion to stop adding his personal web page here. Moxy ( talk) 21:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
Cause(s) of death given so far: (i) Found drowned in bathtub - drinking alcohol for 2 consecutive nights, with bottles of Lorazepam, Valium, Xanax and a sleeping medication found in the hotel room. The drugs were believed to have acted as sedatives, causing her to fall asleep in the bathtub once they had been mixed with alcohol from the previous evenings. Source: Daily Mail (UK) http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html (reported by paper at 22.39 on 12/02/2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.236.255 ( talk) 22:40, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
13/02/12: Coroner's Office have sealed the evidence for a 1 month period before the inquest - so it would appear no 'foul play' was suspected, or he/she would have opened and suspended the inquest, pending police investigations. 212.139.103.145 ( talk) 17:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)twl17:43, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I just want to say that I think we all agree that until we have reliably sourced information, we keep speculation and leaks out of the article. But we should try to keep it off of the talk page too - we need to focus on how to improve the entire article, not to discuss the sad details of her death, except as they relate to the article. There's just a lot to follow here, and we've had over 7 million views in the last two days - we need to keep a close eye on the article and make it as good as it can be, so limiting talk comments that are not directly related to improving the piece would be appreciated. Tvoz/ talk 18:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The following comments was sent to OTRS; with the sender's permission, I am placing it here: "Very interesting bio...but under Voice(section3 #3.1) her range is quoted as G3 to Bflat5 and@ times able to "belt out up to F5".. This is probably a typo as F5 is below Bflat 5 not above it... I unsuccessfully tried to check your reference #(#228) ..". Make of it what you will—I don't know anything about music, so I'm not qualified to judge if anything needs to be changed. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 06:41, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
See debate at Talk:I_Will_Always_Love_You#Sample_change.-- TonyTheTiger ( T/ C/ BIO/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:FOUR) 05:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I believe that Wikipedia is still using the recent deaths tag. Can we put it at the head of this one, as this article is getting a lot of viewings and at the time of her typing (February 14 2012), this is a case of "information might change as new information comes to light". ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 20:51, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
The results had yet to be determined. The case is supposed to be sealed. But a leak from the dept a insider tells radaronline.com. I ask the Wiki lock the pages until the results are released. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.248.128.146 ( talk) 00:32, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Why was information about her death removed from the lead? That is definitely lead material, per WP:LEAD. Are editors waiting for the results for how she died? Flyer22 ( talk) 17:51, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be something in the lead about Houston's origins, how she emerged on the pop scene, as seen in this diff? The Michael Jackson article also does this, in the first paragraph. To only have her achievements and death in the lead doesn't tell us who Houston was before that. Adding her origins/how she debuted also follows WP:LEAD, since we do dedicate a part of this article to her early life. Flyer22 ( talk) 20:02, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
During Aretha Franklin's interview with Al Roker of NBC's the Today Show, Aretha told Al that she was not Whitney's Godmother and she doesn't know how that rumor started. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.164.87.49 ( talk) 13:36, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Nancy Grace spoke with Whitney Houston's godmother and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame singer Darlene Love.
Love remembers meeting Whitney when she was only eight-years-old. She describes Whitney as a caring, nurturing young child who always took care of others. Love begins to cry as she tells HLN's Nancy Grace how positive and full of life Whitney always was, saying, "...she was a light, that has been put out." |
I watched an interview by Shirley Caesar and she also mentioned being Whitney's godmother. I thought that was interesting. The Aretha thing was strictly PR. BrothaTimothy ( talk · contribs) 23:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Should we really say that Brown was invited but left early? That is Brown's story, when it may be that he was actually banned from the funeral like reports are acknowledging may have been the case. No source is saying that he was banned, except for TMZ.com (and they don't usually count as a reliable source here at Wikipedia, despite their having been right about many, if not most, things), but I would think that we should wait to hear from both sides. See if the other side confirms or refutes that Brown was banned from the funeral before we say that he was invited. I have no problem with saying that he attended and left early, but saying that he was invited has only been his story. Flyer22 ( talk) 13:50, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
I think there should be criticism section about her numerous black critics who said she said she sounded too white when singing. I think this a significant part of her early career does anyone else agree.Here are some links I am thinking of using. [8] [9] [10] Dwanyewest ( talk) 17:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)