Utsuro-bune was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 19, 2013). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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Does anyone know if there's an English translation of any of the primary sources of the legend (particularly Toen shōsetsu) available somewhere to read, either online or in print? I've tried searching my usual avenues, both by the Japanese title and by the translated title and turned up nothing, but I find it hard to believe that the original manuscript on display at the Mukyū-Kai-Toshokan is the only copy of the text in existence. Surely somebody transcribed it for publication. -- BrokenEye3 ( talk) 12:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs) 13:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC) I'll tackle this one! Looks to be a very interesting read Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | I have gone through and personally made some changes to the prose, but there are still a lot of problems; ideally this page needs a full peer review. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | * "mysterious object" should be "unknown object". * "is said" needs to be replaced with something more concrete, i.e. a reference to which historical sources record this. * Where on the eastern coast of Japan was this event supposed to take place ? * Change "According to the legend, a beautiful, young woman arrived at a local beach in a strange 'boat'." to "According to legend, an attractive young woman arrived on a beach in the "hollow boat". The views of academics should come before that of the Ufologists. The first paragraph of the "legend" section is too long, and should be divided. "Backgrounds" could be renamed to "Potential explanations" and should be re-ordered; the fringe theories of Ufologists should be placed last, for instance. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | I am unsure that some of the websites used, such as
this, count as reliable sources ? It would be better if this article relied to a greater extent on academic specialist literature on the subject of Japanese folklore, and less on sources (
Fortean Times and
Skeptical Inquirer) devoted to Ufology and other non-academic, fringe subjects. Furthermore, this article cites whole articles rather than specific pages within them. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | I'm unsure if this fully documents the folkloric background to the tale. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. |
Judging from the above I m guessing the major concern is 2b. The Good article criteria only requires references for certain statements (direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged) so if an unreliable source is used on something that doesn't fall under this definition it can be ignored. Likely to be challenged is quite subjective though. I will offer a second opinion on the references, if there is more that you are concerned about let me know. The final decision on whether to list this will lie with Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs). AIRcorn (talk) 11:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Although I'd really like to see this one pass, at its current stage I just can't push it through; the problems are still there. Sorry, and all the best for your future Wiki exploits! Midnightblueowl ( talk)
Why no mention of the contemporaneous and famous Russian fairy tale about a red-headed girl, the newly-wed bride of a foreign Sultan, exiled to the sea inside a sealed barrel with her newborn son? The box carried by the Utsuro-bune woman has the proportions of a child’s coffin. The Tale of Tsar Saltan 2603:7000:7A01:67ED:A1AE:8EEB:1F06:D98F ( talk) 08:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Utsuro-bune was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 19, 2013). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated. |
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Does anyone know if there's an English translation of any of the primary sources of the legend (particularly Toen shōsetsu) available somewhere to read, either online or in print? I've tried searching my usual avenues, both by the Japanese title and by the translated title and turned up nothing, but I find it hard to believe that the original manuscript on display at the Mukyū-Kai-Toshokan is the only copy of the text in existence. Surely somebody transcribed it for publication. -- BrokenEye3 ( talk) 12:37, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs) 13:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC) I'll tackle this one! Looks to be a very interesting read Midnightblueowl ( talk) 13:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Rate | Attribute | Review Comment |
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1. Well-written: | ||
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. | I have gone through and personally made some changes to the prose, but there are still a lot of problems; ideally this page needs a full peer review. | |
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. | * "mysterious object" should be "unknown object". * "is said" needs to be replaced with something more concrete, i.e. a reference to which historical sources record this. * Where on the eastern coast of Japan was this event supposed to take place ? * Change "According to the legend, a beautiful, young woman arrived at a local beach in a strange 'boat'." to "According to legend, an attractive young woman arrived on a beach in the "hollow boat". The views of academics should come before that of the Ufologists. The first paragraph of the "legend" section is too long, and should be divided. "Backgrounds" could be renamed to "Potential explanations" and should be re-ordered; the fringe theories of Ufologists should be placed last, for instance. | |
2. Verifiable with no original research: | ||
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. | ||
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). | I am unsure that some of the websites used, such as
this, count as reliable sources ? It would be better if this article relied to a greater extent on academic specialist literature on the subject of Japanese folklore, and less on sources (
Fortean Times and
Skeptical Inquirer) devoted to Ufology and other non-academic, fringe subjects. Furthermore, this article cites whole articles rather than specific pages within them. | |
2c. it contains no original research. | ||
3. Broad in its coverage: | ||
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. | I'm unsure if this fully documents the folkloric background to the tale. | |
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). | ||
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. | ||
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. | ||
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio: | ||
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. | ||
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. | ||
7. Overall assessment. |
Judging from the above I m guessing the major concern is 2b. The Good article criteria only requires references for certain statements (direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged) so if an unreliable source is used on something that doesn't fall under this definition it can be ignored. Likely to be challenged is quite subjective though. I will offer a second opinion on the references, if there is more that you are concerned about let me know. The final decision on whether to list this will lie with Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs). AIRcorn (talk) 11:56, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Although I'd really like to see this one pass, at its current stage I just can't push it through; the problems are still there. Sorry, and all the best for your future Wiki exploits! Midnightblueowl ( talk)
Why no mention of the contemporaneous and famous Russian fairy tale about a red-headed girl, the newly-wed bride of a foreign Sultan, exiled to the sea inside a sealed barrel with her newborn son? The box carried by the Utsuro-bune woman has the proportions of a child’s coffin. The Tale of Tsar Saltan 2603:7000:7A01:67ED:A1AE:8EEB:1F06:D98F ( talk) 08:32, 2 April 2023 (UTC)