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Sangalang, C. C., & Vang, C. (2017). Intergenerational Trauma in Refugee Families: A Systematic Review. Journal of immigrant and minority health, 19(3), 745–754. doi:10.1007/s10903-016-0499-7
Mina Fazel, Ruth V Reed, Catherine Panter-Brick, Alan Stein, Mental health of displaced and refugee children resettled in high-income countries: risk and protective factors,The Lancet,Volume 379, Issue 9812, 2012, Pages 266-282,ISSN 0140-6736, https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(11)60051-2.
Isobel, S., Goodyear, M., & Foster, K. (2019). Psychological Trauma in the Context of Familial Relationships: A Concept Analysis. Trauma, Violence, & Abuse, 20(4), 549–559. https://doi.org/10.1177/1524838017726424
Isok Kim, & Wooksoo Kim. (2014). Post-resettlement Challenges and Mental Health of Southeast Asian Refugees in the United States. Best Practice in Mental Health, 10(2), 63–77. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.berkeley.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=103534863&site=eds-live
^ Some useful sources Sam kwok berkeley ( talk) 03:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Isok Kim, & Wooksoo Kim. (2014). Post-resettlement Challenges and Mental Health of Southeast Asian Refugees in the United States. Best Practice in Mental Health, 10(2), 63–77. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.berkeley.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=103534863&site=eds-live
Sangalang, C. C., Jager, J., & Harachi, T. W. (2017). Effects of maternal traumatic distress on family functioning and child mental health: An examination of Southeast Asian refugee families in the U.S. Social Science & Medicine, (C), 178. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=edsrep&AN=edsrep.a.eee.socmed.v184y2017icp178.186&site=eds-live
Isobel, S., Goodyear, M., & Foster, K. (2019). Psychological Trauma in the Context of Familial Relationships: A Concept Analysis. Trauma, Violence, & Abuse, 20(4), 549–559. https://doi.org/10.1177/1524838017726424
Sangalang, C. C., & Vang, C. (2017). Intergenerational Trauma in Refugee Families: A Systematic Review. Journal of immigrant and minority health, 19(3), 745–754. doi:10.1007/s10903-016-0499-7
^Some useful sources Sam kwok berkeley ( talk) 03:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
You do realize this is classed as a BULLSHIT psychological theory, don't you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.232.169.69 ( talk) 16:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
You may want to add a reference to Peter Sichrovsky (1989), Born Guilty: Children of Nazi Families. Basic Books, New York, p. 39."The son of a German military officer tells us: “You know, I am haunted by this wrongdoing. Guilty people always end up being punished, if not here and now, then some other time, some other place. It will get me in the end. I cannot escape. You will never know anything about me. Not a word. What they did will remain a secret. It must not be known. Their actions, or rather their transgressions, should never be spoken of anywhere. My parents will burn in hell; for them it's over. But they left me behind. Guilty at birth, guilty for life. The dreams are the worst part of it. They haunt my nights without end. Always the same dream. I know it like a film I've seen a hundred times. They drag me out of bed, lead me out of my room, lead me down the stairs, and push me into a waiting car. Men in striped uniforms. The car races across town. I hear noises outside. People shout "hurray! hurray!" They scream, they shout. […] I can't breathe, my throat is choking. I throw myself against the door, trying to open it, pounding, screaming, my eyes burning... Then I wake up.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.6.248.174 ( talk) 03:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Hey everyone, I noticed that the "Survivors of Childhood Abuse" section is blank. It would be greatly appreciated if someone familiar with this topic could add content from qualified sources. Thanks! MycoMazarine ( talk) 21:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The "Epigenetic transmission" contains a long description of epigenetics without actually explaining how epigenetics applies to trauma with cited sources.
The first paragraph of that section claims: "Previous research assumed that trauma was only transmitted by the parents' child-rearing behavior. However, it may also be epigenetically transferred." but does not cite a source for this supposed epigenetic transfer. The paragraph then goes on to explain epigenetics in a broad context, and then suddenly asserts: "Therefore, one way trauma can be transferred is through epigenetics." No citation provided for this claim.
The rest of the section is plenty more informatin on epigenetics in a broad context but not on how the mechanism of epigenetics actually applies to trauma. I suspect this is because the literature on the mechanism of epigenetics and trauma is very minimal. It seems misleading to claim transgenerational trauma can be be explained by epigenetics and then proceed to explain epigenetics broadly and assert this therefore applies to trauma without any citations. SyrianCamus ( talk) 19:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has changed dramatically in the last few years. It's gone from being a group/cultural problem to a largely DNA-based condition that could happen to anyone whose mother happened to be sufficiently stressed before or during pregnancy – all it takes is one bad car wreck, and the baby is at risk of transgenerational trauma. That's really not the same thing. I think most of this might have been looking for the article about Epigenetics of anxiety and stress–related disorders.
Dnllnd, I've just re-written the first two paragraphs, and I wonder whether you might be interested in improving this article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I am user Ferviani and for an assignment in one of my university courses, I have to choose an article to revise. For this article, I plan on adding more relevant information and writing more concisely. I also want to add better sources by using scholarly references. For more information on this revision, you can look towards the comments on my user page. Ferviani ( talk) 22:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 12 January 2022 and 3 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dct53, Mbh90 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: KatherineModrall, Tikomkheidze, Alc306, Lmv54.
Hello, we are users dct53 and mbh90 and we will be editing this page for one of our university courses about Medicine, Race, and Gender. We plan to add a subsection to the "Affected Groups" content about Southeast Asians. We may broaden the section about Cambodians or include research about people from other affected populations of Southeast Asia, especially after the Vietnam War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dct53 ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
This is a glaring omission that needs to be corrected and fully researched. 800 years of Britsh rule as a colony, and it's never mentioned.I am no scientist, sociologist or anything else in the field. But I do know that the Irish diaspora need to be represented here. Please someone pick up the ball and run with it. Rezzyrez ( talk) 22:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
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I stumbled across this page, and am embarrassed for Wikipedia - this is a higher density of pseudoscience than I've seen for a while on here. I guess it's inevitable, given the un-scientific nonsense that's regularly published in the mainstream media on this subject, but it's still a shame. There are some good critiques of this kind of pseudoscience by actual geneticists here: [1] , [2] , [3] Fig ( talk) 19:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
STEM is definitely not my field but I, and everyone, had seen genetics in high school and everyone can confirm genetics does not work like that. Genetics have no conscious, no mind at all and therefore they can not transfer information with intention to do so, evolution does not work like that unless you are Lamarckian and support the long-debunked hypothesis that can not ve confirmed, it only focuses on survivability and the mutation which can not survive gets eliminated not through rational process but irrational physical process as evolution is not a phenomena that has a mind.
Also, collective trauma and this pseudo-biological quack does not have an correlation, "collective trauma" refers to sociological phenomena where a human group that collectively experienced a traumatic experience will be... guess what... traumatized. This is simple and does not involve any pseudo-epigenetics. Meanwhile this sociological phenomena was used to justify this "actually trauma is transmitted from mother to child during birth", just stop it because there is no way to verify this and there is no way to debunk this either therefore it is not scientific. Perhaps what you need to do is arts and/or philosophy instead of STEM, don't you think?
But let us just not look at the theory but look at examples given, shall we?
Hey but hey look, they used laboratories apparently guys!
Is it me or does this reads like a bunch of make-believe? First we have to believe that psychological trauma is epigenetic then the text wants us to connect lines between the epigenetic process and trauma and then wants us to believe that "histone deacetylase inhibitors block the deacetylation of histones" process is actually related to trauma... in some way text does not want to explain. In which situation, which patient, how did it went, what are side-effects... nothing is disclosed except for that it is somehow "connected" and somehow created "happy memories". Especially after fiasco of LK-99, everyone knows not to trust the vague papers who does not want to disclose anything.
And all examples end here, without proving anything.
Look, if a Liberal Arts Major (me) can debunk your whole hypothesis... I think it is time to change career paths. It is over take my hand and I will show you the way. Cactus Ronin ( talk) 19:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Further, there's epigenetics and there's some evidence for genetic transmissiblity of trauma. Andre 🚐 23:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 18 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mpiard ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: LundyLoo.
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This page has multiple issues, as has been discussed in several sections above. I've added some template messages until someone more qualified than me can take a look at it.
In particular the epigenetics claims are not well sourced and seem unscientific, as do the purported treatments such as dance and music therapy. The topic in general also very vague, and it's unclear how "trauma" is defined in any non-vacuous way. (i.e. can you point to any group of humans that does not carry "intergenerational trauma"? How is "trauma" distinct from general culture?)
I'm also concerned at how many times this has been assigned as a "class project". I worry that a specific teacher or teachers may have an ideological motive and be assigning students to make edits with a particular agenda in return for class credit. KingSupernova ( talk) 04:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please include Native American people of the US? It is wonderful to list all the different groups- and it makes me very sad to notice that by pointing out natives of Canada- the group originating in the territory that now forms the US has been excluded. 2600:1700:A7A6:A000:5487:6DB1:3769:AEB5 ( talk) 20:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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Sangalang, C. C., & Vang, C. (2017). Intergenerational Trauma in Refugee Families: A Systematic Review. Journal of immigrant and minority health, 19(3), 745–754. doi:10.1007/s10903-016-0499-7
Mina Fazel, Ruth V Reed, Catherine Panter-Brick, Alan Stein, Mental health of displaced and refugee children resettled in high-income countries: risk and protective factors,The Lancet,Volume 379, Issue 9812, 2012, Pages 266-282,ISSN 0140-6736, https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(11)60051-2.
Isobel, S., Goodyear, M., & Foster, K. (2019). Psychological Trauma in the Context of Familial Relationships: A Concept Analysis. Trauma, Violence, & Abuse, 20(4), 549–559. https://doi.org/10.1177/1524838017726424
Isok Kim, & Wooksoo Kim. (2014). Post-resettlement Challenges and Mental Health of Southeast Asian Refugees in the United States. Best Practice in Mental Health, 10(2), 63–77. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.berkeley.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=103534863&site=eds-live
^ Some useful sources Sam kwok berkeley ( talk) 03:39, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
Isok Kim, & Wooksoo Kim. (2014). Post-resettlement Challenges and Mental Health of Southeast Asian Refugees in the United States. Best Practice in Mental Health, 10(2), 63–77. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com.libproxy.berkeley.edu/login.aspx?direct=true&db=a9h&AN=103534863&site=eds-live
Sangalang, C. C., Jager, J., & Harachi, T. W. (2017). Effects of maternal traumatic distress on family functioning and child mental health: An examination of Southeast Asian refugee families in the U.S. Social Science & Medicine, (C), 178. Retrieved from http://search.ebscohost.com/login.aspx?direct=true&db=edsrep&AN=edsrep.a.eee.socmed.v184y2017icp178.186&site=eds-live
Isobel, S., Goodyear, M., & Foster, K. (2019). Psychological Trauma in the Context of Familial Relationships: A Concept Analysis. Trauma, Violence, & Abuse, 20(4), 549–559. https://doi.org/10.1177/1524838017726424
Sangalang, C. C., & Vang, C. (2017). Intergenerational Trauma in Refugee Families: A Systematic Review. Journal of immigrant and minority health, 19(3), 745–754. doi:10.1007/s10903-016-0499-7
^Some useful sources Sam kwok berkeley ( talk) 03:40, 22 October 2019 (UTC)
You do realize this is classed as a BULLSHIT psychological theory, don't you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.232.169.69 ( talk) 16:03, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
You may want to add a reference to Peter Sichrovsky (1989), Born Guilty: Children of Nazi Families. Basic Books, New York, p. 39."The son of a German military officer tells us: “You know, I am haunted by this wrongdoing. Guilty people always end up being punished, if not here and now, then some other time, some other place. It will get me in the end. I cannot escape. You will never know anything about me. Not a word. What they did will remain a secret. It must not be known. Their actions, or rather their transgressions, should never be spoken of anywhere. My parents will burn in hell; for them it's over. But they left me behind. Guilty at birth, guilty for life. The dreams are the worst part of it. They haunt my nights without end. Always the same dream. I know it like a film I've seen a hundred times. They drag me out of bed, lead me out of my room, lead me down the stairs, and push me into a waiting car. Men in striped uniforms. The car races across town. I hear noises outside. People shout "hurray! hurray!" They scream, they shout. […] I can't breathe, my throat is choking. I throw myself against the door, trying to open it, pounding, screaming, my eyes burning... Then I wake up.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 171.6.248.174 ( talk) 03:17, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
Hey everyone, I noticed that the "Survivors of Childhood Abuse" section is blank. It would be greatly appreciated if someone familiar with this topic could add content from qualified sources. Thanks! MycoMazarine ( talk) 21:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)
The "Epigenetic transmission" contains a long description of epigenetics without actually explaining how epigenetics applies to trauma with cited sources.
The first paragraph of that section claims: "Previous research assumed that trauma was only transmitted by the parents' child-rearing behavior. However, it may also be epigenetically transferred." but does not cite a source for this supposed epigenetic transfer. The paragraph then goes on to explain epigenetics in a broad context, and then suddenly asserts: "Therefore, one way trauma can be transferred is through epigenetics." No citation provided for this claim.
The rest of the section is plenty more informatin on epigenetics in a broad context but not on how the mechanism of epigenetics actually applies to trauma. I suspect this is because the literature on the mechanism of epigenetics and trauma is very minimal. It seems misleading to claim transgenerational trauma can be be explained by epigenetics and then proceed to explain epigenetics broadly and assert this therefore applies to trauma without any citations. SyrianCamus ( talk) 19:23, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
This article has changed dramatically in the last few years. It's gone from being a group/cultural problem to a largely DNA-based condition that could happen to anyone whose mother happened to be sufficiently stressed before or during pregnancy – all it takes is one bad car wreck, and the baby is at risk of transgenerational trauma. That's really not the same thing. I think most of this might have been looking for the article about Epigenetics of anxiety and stress–related disorders.
Dnllnd, I've just re-written the first two paragraphs, and I wonder whether you might be interested in improving this article. WhatamIdoing ( talk) 01:43, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
Hello, I am user Ferviani and for an assignment in one of my university courses, I have to choose an article to revise. For this article, I plan on adding more relevant information and writing more concisely. I also want to add better sources by using scholarly references. For more information on this revision, you can look towards the comments on my user page. Ferviani ( talk) 22:24, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 12 January 2022 and 3 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dct53, Mbh90 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: KatherineModrall, Tikomkheidze, Alc306, Lmv54.
Hello, we are users dct53 and mbh90 and we will be editing this page for one of our university courses about Medicine, Race, and Gender. We plan to add a subsection to the "Affected Groups" content about Southeast Asians. We may broaden the section about Cambodians or include research about people from other affected populations of Southeast Asia, especially after the Vietnam War. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dct53 ( talk • contribs) 21:15, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
This is a glaring omission that needs to be corrected and fully researched. 800 years of Britsh rule as a colony, and it's never mentioned.I am no scientist, sociologist or anything else in the field. But I do know that the Irish diaspora need to be represented here. Please someone pick up the ball and run with it. Rezzyrez ( talk) 22:04, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 15 September 2022 and 1 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Bbettencourt ( article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Bbettencourt ( talk) 00:28, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
I stumbled across this page, and am embarrassed for Wikipedia - this is a higher density of pseudoscience than I've seen for a while on here. I guess it's inevitable, given the un-scientific nonsense that's regularly published in the mainstream media on this subject, but it's still a shame. There are some good critiques of this kind of pseudoscience by actual geneticists here: [1] , [2] , [3] Fig ( talk) 19:04, 19 December 2022 (UTC)
STEM is definitely not my field but I, and everyone, had seen genetics in high school and everyone can confirm genetics does not work like that. Genetics have no conscious, no mind at all and therefore they can not transfer information with intention to do so, evolution does not work like that unless you are Lamarckian and support the long-debunked hypothesis that can not ve confirmed, it only focuses on survivability and the mutation which can not survive gets eliminated not through rational process but irrational physical process as evolution is not a phenomena that has a mind.
Also, collective trauma and this pseudo-biological quack does not have an correlation, "collective trauma" refers to sociological phenomena where a human group that collectively experienced a traumatic experience will be... guess what... traumatized. This is simple and does not involve any pseudo-epigenetics. Meanwhile this sociological phenomena was used to justify this "actually trauma is transmitted from mother to child during birth", just stop it because there is no way to verify this and there is no way to debunk this either therefore it is not scientific. Perhaps what you need to do is arts and/or philosophy instead of STEM, don't you think?
But let us just not look at the theory but look at examples given, shall we?
Hey but hey look, they used laboratories apparently guys!
Is it me or does this reads like a bunch of make-believe? First we have to believe that psychological trauma is epigenetic then the text wants us to connect lines between the epigenetic process and trauma and then wants us to believe that "histone deacetylase inhibitors block the deacetylation of histones" process is actually related to trauma... in some way text does not want to explain. In which situation, which patient, how did it went, what are side-effects... nothing is disclosed except for that it is somehow "connected" and somehow created "happy memories". Especially after fiasco of LK-99, everyone knows not to trust the vague papers who does not want to disclose anything.
And all examples end here, without proving anything.
Look, if a Liberal Arts Major (me) can debunk your whole hypothesis... I think it is time to change career paths. It is over take my hand and I will show you the way. Cactus Ronin ( talk) 19:07, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
Further, there's epigenetics and there's some evidence for genetic transmissiblity of trauma. Andre 🚐 23:20, 4 November 2023 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 21 August 2023 and 18 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Mpiard ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: LundyLoo.
— Assignment last updated by LundyLoo ( talk) 03:47, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
This page has multiple issues, as has been discussed in several sections above. I've added some template messages until someone more qualified than me can take a look at it.
In particular the epigenetics claims are not well sourced and seem unscientific, as do the purported treatments such as dance and music therapy. The topic in general also very vague, and it's unclear how "trauma" is defined in any non-vacuous way. (i.e. can you point to any group of humans that does not carry "intergenerational trauma"? How is "trauma" distinct from general culture?)
I'm also concerned at how many times this has been assigned as a "class project". I worry that a specific teacher or teachers may have an ideological motive and be assigning students to make edits with a particular agenda in return for class credit. KingSupernova ( talk) 04:39, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
Can someone please include Native American people of the US? It is wonderful to list all the different groups- and it makes me very sad to notice that by pointing out natives of Canada- the group originating in the territory that now forms the US has been excluded. 2600:1700:A7A6:A000:5487:6DB1:3769:AEB5 ( talk) 20:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)