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Did you know... that neither of the US-based authors of the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan had ever visited Japan when they wrote it?
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ALT2:... that the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan predicted that a conflict between the US and Japan would unfold within a generation?
See here. Nb. a lot of the reviews of this book used the much-juicer claim that it was predicted within 20 years, but I couldn't find this said explicitly within the book though Friedman did say that this is what they were going to predict before the book was published. EDIT: apparently the original dust-jacket of the book included the "two decades" claim? But I haven't been able to find a copy of it to confirm this directly, just it quoted in another source
ALT3:... that
George Friedman, the author of the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan, said in 1990 that he believed that conflict between the US and Japan was likely within 20 years?
See quote here, unfortunately unless something explicitly saying this in the book can be found this is going to be a bit wordy
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FOARP (
talk). Self-nominated at 11:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC).reply
New article created on date above, over 1,500 characters, appropriately sourced and with no disputes or copyvios. Happy with all the ALTs, all properly sourced, have a slight personal preference for ALT0 and ALT1 as they provide a nice juxtaposition. QPQ not applicable as under 5 DYK nominations for this user. Happy to approve these and leave it up to admins on which ALT to choose.
Sims2aholic8 (
talk) 17:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Near the beginning, we are given the impression that the authors are two independent academics. Not until the second last paragraph do we learn that they are husband and wife. Not, of course that there is anything wrong with that: many fine books have been written by such couples. But it is relevant information, and may leave one (well me at least) with the impression that such a provocative, contraversial book was not written from pure independent motives. baska436
101.187.174.16 (
talk) 09:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I wanted to put the fact that they were married earlier. My problem was finding any information about when they were married. Reading the transcript of their CSPAN Booknotes interview they don’t mention being married and, indeed, appear to be hiding the fact by pretending to be married to other people (eg LeBard simply says she is married to “an American citizen”, and omits to mention that the citizen she is talking about is sitting across the table from her). It appears they may have worried that the book wouldn’t be taken seriously if people knew it was written by a husband and wife team. But the article can only state what reliable source show, which is that they are married now, and were married as early as the mid-1990's. I couldn’t find any source explicitly showing that they were married when they wrote the book. I also could not say that they were married after writing the book as nothing says this either. This is a BLP situation so I don’t think we should state that they were married when they wrote the book unless a source says this.
FOARP (
talk) 04:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Tom Clancy book
Out of interest, do any RS discuss whether this book had an influence on Tom Clancy? His book Debt of Honor appears to have some similarities and was published a few years after this work.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nick-D - Haven't seen anything saying so. At a guess I'd say they were just part of the same early-1990's phenomenon (US anti-Japanese sentiment/rivalry) but if you can find some sources linking them that'd be interesting.
FOARP (
talk) 17:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
What did Friedman and LeBard teach? It seems relevant to know whether this is connected to the subjects they taught or not.
Done based on CSPAN transcript.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"After the book's initial publication in the US in spring 1991" - per
MOS:SEASON avoid naming seasons, as those are different between northern and southern hemispheres.
Done. There was a bit of confusion in some of the sources as to whether it released in April or May 1991 which is why I originally said "Spring", but now I've found what appears to be a first edition on the Internet Archive which says May 1991 I'll go with that and what it says in Publisher's Weekly (which you would expect to be authoritative on this).
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Add "Friedman and LeBard's predictions did not come true" from the lead to the body, so it is explicitly stated there
Done and expanded a bit.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The citations in the lead (with the exception of the title translation) don't seem to be necessary per
MOS:LEADCITE.
Done. I guess I get kind of lazy when I'm writing these things and originally write them as a stub which is why the lede is often cited.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
References
Would it be possible to get page numbers for Okihiro and Morris?
Done, originally I was looking at the e-book which has no page numbers but I managed to find a version of both of these with numbered pages.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Sources all look reliable, and the image licensing seems fine to me. (not a licensing expert). Placing on hold, not much to nitpick on here. Good work,
FOARP.
Hog FarmTalk 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
A fact from The Coming War with Japan appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 April 2021 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that neither of the US-based authors of the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan had ever visited Japan when they wrote it?
This article is within the scope of WikiProject International relations, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of
International relations on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join
the discussion and see a list of open tasks.International relationsWikipedia:WikiProject International relationsTemplate:WikiProject International relationsInternational relations articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to
participate, please visit the
project page, where you can join the project, participate in
relevant discussions, and see
lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 16:17, April 29, 2024 (
JST,
Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related articles
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United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions.
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
ALT2:... that the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan predicted that a conflict between the US and Japan would unfold within a generation?
See here. Nb. a lot of the reviews of this book used the much-juicer claim that it was predicted within 20 years, but I couldn't find this said explicitly within the book though Friedman did say that this is what they were going to predict before the book was published. EDIT: apparently the original dust-jacket of the book included the "two decades" claim? But I haven't been able to find a copy of it to confirm this directly, just it quoted in another source
ALT3:... that
George Friedman, the author of the 1991 book The Coming War With Japan, said in 1990 that he believed that conflict between the US and Japan was likely within 20 years?
See quote here, unfortunately unless something explicitly saying this in the book can be found this is going to be a bit wordy
Created by
FOARP (
talk). Self-nominated at 11:37, 15 March 2021 (UTC).reply
New article created on date above, over 1,500 characters, appropriately sourced and with no disputes or copyvios. Happy with all the ALTs, all properly sourced, have a slight personal preference for ALT0 and ALT1 as they provide a nice juxtaposition. QPQ not applicable as under 5 DYK nominations for this user. Happy to approve these and leave it up to admins on which ALT to choose.
Sims2aholic8 (
talk) 17:36, 23 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Near the beginning, we are given the impression that the authors are two independent academics. Not until the second last paragraph do we learn that they are husband and wife. Not, of course that there is anything wrong with that: many fine books have been written by such couples. But it is relevant information, and may leave one (well me at least) with the impression that such a provocative, contraversial book was not written from pure independent motives. baska436
101.187.174.16 (
talk) 09:36, 5 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I wanted to put the fact that they were married earlier. My problem was finding any information about when they were married. Reading the transcript of their CSPAN Booknotes interview they don’t mention being married and, indeed, appear to be hiding the fact by pretending to be married to other people (eg LeBard simply says she is married to “an American citizen”, and omits to mention that the citizen she is talking about is sitting across the table from her). It appears they may have worried that the book wouldn’t be taken seriously if people knew it was written by a husband and wife team. But the article can only state what reliable source show, which is that they are married now, and were married as early as the mid-1990's. I couldn’t find any source explicitly showing that they were married when they wrote the book. I also could not say that they were married after writing the book as nothing says this either. This is a BLP situation so I don’t think we should state that they were married when they wrote the book unless a source says this.
FOARP (
talk) 04:40, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Tom Clancy book
Out of interest, do any RS discuss whether this book had an influence on Tom Clancy? His book Debt of Honor appears to have some similarities and was published a few years after this work.
Nick-D (
talk) 23:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nick-D - Haven't seen anything saying so. At a guess I'd say they were just part of the same early-1990's phenomenon (US anti-Japanese sentiment/rivalry) but if you can find some sources linking them that'd be interesting.
FOARP (
talk) 17:32, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
What did Friedman and LeBard teach? It seems relevant to know whether this is connected to the subjects they taught or not.
Done based on CSPAN transcript.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"After the book's initial publication in the US in spring 1991" - per
MOS:SEASON avoid naming seasons, as those are different between northern and southern hemispheres.
Done. There was a bit of confusion in some of the sources as to whether it released in April or May 1991 which is why I originally said "Spring", but now I've found what appears to be a first edition on the Internet Archive which says May 1991 I'll go with that and what it says in Publisher's Weekly (which you would expect to be authoritative on this).
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Add "Friedman and LeBard's predictions did not come true" from the lead to the body, so it is explicitly stated there
Done and expanded a bit.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
The citations in the lead (with the exception of the title translation) don't seem to be necessary per
MOS:LEADCITE.
Done. I guess I get kind of lazy when I'm writing these things and originally write them as a stub which is why the lede is often cited.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
References
Would it be possible to get page numbers for Okihiro and Morris?
Done, originally I was looking at the e-book which has no page numbers but I managed to find a version of both of these with numbered pages.
FOARP (
talk) 13:24, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Sources all look reliable, and the image licensing seems fine to me. (not a licensing expert). Placing on hold, not much to nitpick on here. Good work,
FOARP.
Hog FarmTalk 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply