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The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. At the present, the current title is the common name. Let's wait for six months (from the closure of this discussion) to see if the situation has changed. – robertsky ( talk) 03:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Stepanakert → Khankendi – RM for procedural reasons as User:RocketKnightX had moved the page unilaterally rather than via RM. The last RM from the start of November was closed with a result of "wait a couple months", so about now is the right time for another one, now that there has been time for the dust to settle and see what name reliable sources have started using. I am neutral towards such a move so not voting either way. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 12:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 02:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The city is an internationally recognised part of Azerbaijan. It is Azerbaijan's right to determine the name of the city and international law allows them to do so. I saw other users brought this up and some high-rank editors silenced them by blocking the user and closing the topic. You may like it or not based on your worldview. But if we accept that this world should have some sort of law, we should respect it even if we don't like the outcome. This is not a responsible behaviour by Wikipedia. I request the editors to respect the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and international law.
Yalancinin (
talk) 17:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)—
Yalancinin (
talk ·
contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Aydinyol (
talk ·
contribs).
Vanjagenije
(talk) 19:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)}
::All countries in the world, including Armenia, have recognised Karabakh and therefore Khankendi as a part of Azerbaijan. It is not up to individuals to question UN resolutions and international law here. Wikipedia must change the name of article to align with international laws. According to article S.17 of UN statistic division, countries determine legal toponyms inside their territories. Therefore, I urge Wikipedia editors to comply with international rules and change the name of this article.
Yalancinin (
talk) 00:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)—
Yalancinin (
talk ·
contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Aydinyol (
talk ·
contribs).
Vanjagenije
(talk) 19:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)}
Above, you allegedly stated that Azerbaijan occupied Khankendi. This was a wrong idea. Azerbaijan has restored its territorial integrity. He supposedly changed the name of the city. Why did you allow the names of the cities under occupation to be called Armenian until 2020? Stop this pro-Armenianism. Qolcomaq ( talk) 20:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: speedy close. The previous discussion ended only a few weeks ago. It did not find support for the move proposed here, and due to the repeated initiation of such requests, the administrator closing the previous discussion imposed a six-month moratorium. If the situation has changed at some point after the expiration of this moratorium, please note that evidence should be presented arguing how the new title is appropriate in terms of such Wikipedia rules as WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES; common usage in English does not necessarily reflect the decisions of governments. Dekimasu よ! 13:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Stepanakert → Khankendi – The city is internationally recognized Azerbaijani territory. The city is also under Azerbaizani control now. Khankendi is the offical Azerbaizani name of the city. Nafis Fuad Ayon ( talk) 12:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
In this edit from 25 January, @ AntonSamuel: engaged in a mass reversion of about a month's worth of edits, and brought back the tag about the article needing to be updated. Some of those edits in the past month had been by me with the intention of updating the article enough such that it does not need that tag any more, but the reversion to the older version included a large amount of re-inclusion of obviously outdated information such as "Artsakh athletes also take part with the representing teams and athletes in the Pan-Armenian Games", and stating that Stepanakert is twinned with a list of cities. It also removed the addition of cited information I had added about the rebuilding of the Stepanakert to Yevlakh railway following the Azerbaijani conquest.
I'd like to ask what, if anything, should be done to update the article, if there is an "update" tag but any actual removal+updating of outdated information is being reverted en masse. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 18:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The recent changes that were reverted were not discussed thoroughly enough - they included large removals of information and completely changed the introduction of the article – tilting all focus away from the recent ethnic cleansing of the Armenian population of the city and resulted in a version that was content-wise far away from the long-term stable version of the article. I have no issue with balanced updates with regard to the facts on the ground. AntonSamuel ( talk) 15:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
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Stepanakert has been listed as one of the
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The result of the move request was: not moved. Per consensus. At the present, the current title is the common name. Let's wait for six months (from the closure of this discussion) to see if the situation has changed. – robertsky ( talk) 03:53, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
Stepanakert → Khankendi – RM for procedural reasons as User:RocketKnightX had moved the page unilaterally rather than via RM. The last RM from the start of November was closed with a result of "wait a couple months", so about now is the right time for another one, now that there has been time for the dust to settle and see what name reliable sources have started using. I am neutral towards such a move so not voting either way. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 12:20, 4 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky ( talk) 02:30, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The city is an internationally recognised part of Azerbaijan. It is Azerbaijan's right to determine the name of the city and international law allows them to do so. I saw other users brought this up and some high-rank editors silenced them by blocking the user and closing the topic. You may like it or not based on your worldview. But if we accept that this world should have some sort of law, we should respect it even if we don't like the outcome. This is not a responsible behaviour by Wikipedia. I request the editors to respect the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and international law.
Yalancinin (
talk) 17:44, 23 January 2024 (UTC)—
Yalancinin (
talk ·
contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Aydinyol (
talk ·
contribs).
Vanjagenije
(talk) 19:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)}
::All countries in the world, including Armenia, have recognised Karabakh and therefore Khankendi as a part of Azerbaijan. It is not up to individuals to question UN resolutions and international law here. Wikipedia must change the name of article to align with international laws. According to article S.17 of UN statistic division, countries determine legal toponyms inside their territories. Therefore, I urge Wikipedia editors to comply with international rules and change the name of this article.
Yalancinin (
talk) 00:22, 24 January 2024 (UTC)—
Yalancinin (
talk ·
contribs) is a confirmed
sock puppet of
Aydinyol (
talk ·
contribs).
Vanjagenije
(talk) 19:56, 25 January 2024 (UTC)}
Above, you allegedly stated that Azerbaijan occupied Khankendi. This was a wrong idea. Azerbaijan has restored its territorial integrity. He supposedly changed the name of the city. Why did you allow the names of the cities under occupation to be called Armenian until 2020? Stop this pro-Armenianism. Qolcomaq ( talk) 20:36, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: speedy close. The previous discussion ended only a few weeks ago. It did not find support for the move proposed here, and due to the repeated initiation of such requests, the administrator closing the previous discussion imposed a six-month moratorium. If the situation has changed at some point after the expiration of this moratorium, please note that evidence should be presented arguing how the new title is appropriate in terms of such Wikipedia rules as WP:COMMONNAME and WP:NAMECHANGES; common usage in English does not necessarily reflect the decisions of governments. Dekimasu よ! 13:22, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
Stepanakert → Khankendi – The city is internationally recognized Azerbaijani territory. The city is also under Azerbaizani control now. Khankendi is the offical Azerbaizani name of the city. Nafis Fuad Ayon ( talk) 12:33, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
In this edit from 25 January, @ AntonSamuel: engaged in a mass reversion of about a month's worth of edits, and brought back the tag about the article needing to be updated. Some of those edits in the past month had been by me with the intention of updating the article enough such that it does not need that tag any more, but the reversion to the older version included a large amount of re-inclusion of obviously outdated information such as "Artsakh athletes also take part with the representing teams and athletes in the Pan-Armenian Games", and stating that Stepanakert is twinned with a list of cities. It also removed the addition of cited information I had added about the rebuilding of the Stepanakert to Yevlakh railway following the Azerbaijani conquest.
I'd like to ask what, if anything, should be done to update the article, if there is an "update" tag but any actual removal+updating of outdated information is being reverted en masse. Chessrat ( talk, contributions) 18:17, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
The recent changes that were reverted were not discussed thoroughly enough - they included large removals of information and completely changed the introduction of the article – tilting all focus away from the recent ethnic cleansing of the Armenian population of the city and resulted in a version that was content-wise far away from the long-term stable version of the article. I have no issue with balanced updates with regard to the facts on the ground. AntonSamuel ( talk) 15:29, 19 April 2024 (UTC)