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People, just because it makes a little bit of sense doesn't mean its not vandalism. If a line contradicts the article (for example, by saying that sociopathy is a "loosely defined term" and then vividly defining it) it probably doesn't belong. -- 67.172.13.176 ( talk) 07:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the page to an earlier version because 1) this is supposed to be a disambiguation page, so a long list of supposed sociopathic characteristics is unnecessary, and 2) the information was unsourced and questionable. (I just felt that this reason was too long to include in the edit summary.) Imaginaryoctopus (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
That there's no real article here. Enigma msg 07:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Any thoughts on changing this back to a redirect to Antisocial personality disorder? It's a very close fit and they are used as synonyms. Sociopathic personality disorder and Sociopath already redirect there. If there's a consensus, or at least no objection, I'll change it it a week or so. Thank you. SchreiberBike ( talk) 19:09, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
There is no consensus on the definition of "sociopathy". In her book "The Sociopath Next Door", Dr Martha Stout introduces the topic with an explanation that her choice to use the word "sociopath" was at her discretion, and that she was using it to refer to the same condition that Dr Robert Hare refers to as psychopathy. Both researchers consider the clinical definition of psychopathy to have a far narrower scope than the broader definition of antisocial personality disorder. Psychopathy is generally considered to be a congenital neurobiological disorder, with no known treatment or cure, whereas there is some debate about various environmental causes that might be involved in people who meet the diagnostic criteria for ASPD but who do not meet the stricter criteria for psychopathy.
There are many reasons for the introduction of the newer term "sociopathy". The word "psychopathy" evokes the colloquialism "psycho" and conjures images of someone who is criminally insane, rather than a person who is devoid of empathy. As in the case of Stout's writings, the prefix "socio" can be used to correct this misperception about psychopathy, by instead highlighting the interpersonal destructiveness that is characteristic of psychopaths. However, the prefix "socio" can also be interpreted to mean that there may be "social" or environmental causes for the condition, which is not the case with psychopathy.
Given the level of confusion and disagreement over the meaning of the term "sociopathy", at this point, the page should not redirect to either article. It should remain a disambiguation page. The same ought to be done for Sociopath, which should to redirect to the dab page for Sociopathy. C-PTSD ( talk) 00:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I will add that Sociopathy was stable as a disambiguation page for at least a year, from late 2011 until late 2012, during which time the only major edits were a few attempts to add a short paragraph defining the term (reverted by others because that content does not belong on a disambiguation page), and some disagreement over whether Dissocial personality disorder should be included in the disambiguation list. In the absence of a consensus for redirecting Sociopathy either to Psychopathy or to Antisocial personality disorder, I think Sociopathy should be maintained as a disambiguation page at this time. C-PTSD ( talk) 18:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
In common usage, sociopathy refers to conditions similar to or synonymous with the following personality disorders:
The term Antisocial personality disorder is clearly defined by the current version of DSM
and has been in continuous usage since DSM 3 in 1980.
It is a clearly defined and widely used term. Sociopath and psychopath are old words that were displaced by the term Antisocial personality disorder.
The last ten years a couple of authors writing popular books about composite characters have tried to revive the terms sociopath and psychopath and give them slightly different meanings than Antisocial personality disorder.
None of these books reference DSM or scientific papers.
Their writing, in my opinion, is sloppy and unscientific. Until someone can give a consistent and scientific meaning to the words sociopath and psychopath, I consider their use unhelpful.
69.239.134.100 ( talk) 02:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Per
this suggestion and following from the discussion above.
Sociopathy already fits some of the main prerequisites for a broad-concept article: it is indeed a broad concept, and a substantial portion of the links asserted to be ambiguous are examples of that concept (i.e.
antisocial personality disorder,
psychopathy, and
dissocial personality disorder).
However, it's still necessary to ascertain that the concept is 'capable of being described in an article' and then to actually create 'an article describing the broad concept'. Such an article could refer to any reliable sources on sociopathy per se, and perhaps note traits shared among the example conditions.
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It has no information. The linked pages are a wall of meaningless gargage. There needs to be an information page here, not links to other pages containing nothing but meaningless garbage.
Presumably, at one point, there was a 'Sociopath' article. It need to be put back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.156.190 ( talk) 22:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is no distinction between Antisocial Personality Disorder, and, Dissocial Personality Disorder. There might not be a difference, according to the leading organization, the APA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association).
If they're the same, then there's a double entry. If they're different, then somebody seems to have merged two different articles along the line. I'm not wiki-affluent enough to tell the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.198.188 ( talk) 06:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Based on various sources, including the DSM, ICD, and page 61 at http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OuNdrmHcJlgC:
I updated these articles to clarify the relationship between psychopathy, ASPD, and DPD. Sociopathy, as far as I'm aware, is not a formal term and is thus not mentioned much in these articles. -- Humorideas ( talk) 03:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please change * Antisocial personality disorder to * Antisocial personality disorder [1] because it is a quite recent article linking sociopathy and ASPD referring to all those "elite" psychiatric journals too.
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People, just because it makes a little bit of sense doesn't mean its not vandalism. If a line contradicts the article (for example, by saying that sociopathy is a "loosely defined term" and then vividly defining it) it probably doesn't belong. -- 67.172.13.176 ( talk) 07:10, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I reverted the page to an earlier version because 1) this is supposed to be a disambiguation page, so a long list of supposed sociopathic characteristics is unnecessary, and 2) the information was unsourced and questionable. (I just felt that this reason was too long to include in the edit summary.) Imaginaryoctopus (talk) 22:54, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
That there's no real article here. Enigma msg 07:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
Any thoughts on changing this back to a redirect to Antisocial personality disorder? It's a very close fit and they are used as synonyms. Sociopathic personality disorder and Sociopath already redirect there. If there's a consensus, or at least no objection, I'll change it it a week or so. Thank you. SchreiberBike ( talk) 19:09, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
There is no consensus on the definition of "sociopathy". In her book "The Sociopath Next Door", Dr Martha Stout introduces the topic with an explanation that her choice to use the word "sociopath" was at her discretion, and that she was using it to refer to the same condition that Dr Robert Hare refers to as psychopathy. Both researchers consider the clinical definition of psychopathy to have a far narrower scope than the broader definition of antisocial personality disorder. Psychopathy is generally considered to be a congenital neurobiological disorder, with no known treatment or cure, whereas there is some debate about various environmental causes that might be involved in people who meet the diagnostic criteria for ASPD but who do not meet the stricter criteria for psychopathy.
There are many reasons for the introduction of the newer term "sociopathy". The word "psychopathy" evokes the colloquialism "psycho" and conjures images of someone who is criminally insane, rather than a person who is devoid of empathy. As in the case of Stout's writings, the prefix "socio" can be used to correct this misperception about psychopathy, by instead highlighting the interpersonal destructiveness that is characteristic of psychopaths. However, the prefix "socio" can also be interpreted to mean that there may be "social" or environmental causes for the condition, which is not the case with psychopathy.
Given the level of confusion and disagreement over the meaning of the term "sociopathy", at this point, the page should not redirect to either article. It should remain a disambiguation page. The same ought to be done for Sociopath, which should to redirect to the dab page for Sociopathy. C-PTSD ( talk) 00:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
I will add that Sociopathy was stable as a disambiguation page for at least a year, from late 2011 until late 2012, during which time the only major edits were a few attempts to add a short paragraph defining the term (reverted by others because that content does not belong on a disambiguation page), and some disagreement over whether Dissocial personality disorder should be included in the disambiguation list. In the absence of a consensus for redirecting Sociopathy either to Psychopathy or to Antisocial personality disorder, I think Sociopathy should be maintained as a disambiguation page at this time. C-PTSD ( talk) 18:02, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
In common usage, sociopathy refers to conditions similar to or synonymous with the following personality disorders:
The term Antisocial personality disorder is clearly defined by the current version of DSM
and has been in continuous usage since DSM 3 in 1980.
It is a clearly defined and widely used term. Sociopath and psychopath are old words that were displaced by the term Antisocial personality disorder.
The last ten years a couple of authors writing popular books about composite characters have tried to revive the terms sociopath and psychopath and give them slightly different meanings than Antisocial personality disorder.
None of these books reference DSM or scientific papers.
Their writing, in my opinion, is sloppy and unscientific. Until someone can give a consistent and scientific meaning to the words sociopath and psychopath, I consider their use unhelpful.
69.239.134.100 ( talk) 02:52, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Per
this suggestion and following from the discussion above.
Sociopathy already fits some of the main prerequisites for a broad-concept article: it is indeed a broad concept, and a substantial portion of the links asserted to be ambiguous are examples of that concept (i.e.
antisocial personality disorder,
psychopathy, and
dissocial personality disorder).
However, it's still necessary to ascertain that the concept is 'capable of being described in an article' and then to actually create 'an article describing the broad concept'. Such an article could refer to any reliable sources on sociopathy per se, and perhaps note traits shared among the example conditions.
--
Xagg (
talk) 13:06, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
It has no information. The linked pages are a wall of meaningless gargage. There needs to be an information page here, not links to other pages containing nothing but meaningless garbage.
Presumably, at one point, there was a 'Sociopath' article. It need to be put back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.51.156.190 ( talk) 22:49, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
As of this writing, there is no distinction between Antisocial Personality Disorder, and, Dissocial Personality Disorder. There might not be a difference, according to the leading organization, the APA ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Psychiatric_Association).
If they're the same, then there's a double entry. If they're different, then somebody seems to have merged two different articles along the line. I'm not wiki-affluent enough to tell the difference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.85.198.188 ( talk) 06:23, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Based on various sources, including the DSM, ICD, and page 61 at http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OuNdrmHcJlgC:
I updated these articles to clarify the relationship between psychopathy, ASPD, and DPD. Sociopathy, as far as I'm aware, is not a formal term and is thus not mentioned much in these articles. -- Humorideas ( talk) 03:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
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Please change * Antisocial personality disorder to * Antisocial personality disorder [1] because it is a quite recent article linking sociopathy and ASPD referring to all those "elite" psychiatric journals too.
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