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Archive 1: 2004 - September 2010
Dear all, see below. I'm new to this game. My point, I'll repeat it here, is that the Wikipedia article on the name Sissy is all nonsense. Sissy is a girls' name, meaning dear little Cecilia, a diminutive. Sissy was the courageous heroine in "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens. Her formal name, Cecilia, is given there. If you wanted a credible 19th-century historical reference to "Sissy", here is the first. Yes, it is used pejoratively by the bullies at school to insinuate that another boy is an effeminate coward by bestowing a girl's name on him, but that is only a derivative usage. --Miggle, 2 October 2017.
The article Sissy (transgender) doesn't discuss a significantly different concept than this one, except perhaps for the forced feminization aspects (called feminization (activity) here). I don't think that "Sissy (transgender)" is justified as a separate article. It just duplicates info that properly belongs here or at the feminization article. Tijfo098 ( talk) 10:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
All nonsense. Sissy is a girl's name, the diminutive of Cecilia. Sissy was the courageous heroine in Dickens' "Hard Times. -- Miggle
The Celluloid Closet mentions the rôle of sissies in Hays Code-era Hollywood, but they are wholly absent from this piece. Could someone with more knowledge than I expand this? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 13:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
DexDor, regarding this edit, what do you mean? We include alternative titles for articles that are about words as well (as also currently seen in the lead of this article), so I don't understand your reasoning on this matter. Nowhere does WP:Alternative title state what you have stated on this matter. Neither does WP:WORDISSUBJECT.
On a side note: I won't WP:Ping you to this section again. So if you want to read replies, then you will need to check back here or temporarily put this article on your WP:Watchlist. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:02, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Other examples of alternative titles in the lead of articles about words are two noted at WP:WORDISSUBJECT: Political correctness and Homosexual agenda. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Actually, there are some significant differences between a tomgirl and a sissy. A tomgirl is less "girly" and feminine than a sissy, and has a mixture of masculine and feminine interests, and still wears the same clothes that other, more masculine boys wear. A sissy, on the other hand, is very feminine, to the point of actually being "girly", has mostly or completely feminine interests, and wears makeup and clothes that girly girls would normally wear. The only reason why a tomgirl is called a tomgirl is because he is the conceptual opposite of a tomboy, which is a boyish girl; however, he is not quite as "girly" as a sissy. The collective term for both tomgirls and sissies would be girly boys. In terms of sexual orientation, a tomgirl can be straight, gay, or bisexual, but is usually straight, while a sissy, on the other hand, is usually gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.30 ( talk) 18:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
There has been some edit-warring over the image at the top of the article recently, so I had a look, and for the great majority of the history of this article, there has been no image. And rightly so. This article, as described in the lead, is about "...a pejorative term, especially in the U.S., for an effeminate boy or man". The rest of the article supports this definition.
There is a secondary meaning of "sissy" that involves a fetish subculture related to cross dressing, sometimes involving aspects of bdsm, forced feminization, erotic humiliation, and other sexual fetishes. In addition, in this secondary sense, it is not a pejorative term. The article has only one sentence related to this secondary meaning, and it is near the bottom of the article; except for this, the whole article is about the first sense.
Although there has been edit-warring over the image at the top, what is notable is that all of the image choices being inserted are related to the second, fetishistic sense of sissy, and not the primary sense. Since the article has historically had no top image, and because a top image should be related to the main topic of the article and not something else, I have removed the image entirely, and left a hidden note about this. Conceivably, an image could be added to the bottom of the article to illustrate the secondary sense, but only if it validly illustrates it, and not for self-promotion at this article. Mathglot ( talk) 10:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
This article appears to be about two different topics, and may need to be split. Much of the reasoning has already been described in the #Image warring section above, but as they may be archived separately. So I'll quote portions:
These are two very different topics. It's not clear which, if either of them is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so they may both require parenthetical disambiguation, with a disambig page occupying the main title. Possibly Sissy (pejorative) and Sissy (fetish). The main question would be, if there are enough reliable sources to support an article on "Sissy (pejorative)". If not, this should be converted to a WP:BCA. Mathglot ( talk) 03:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Im an independent artist and I am a sissy. I want you to use a picture I did to illustrate how is the real aspect of a sissy. I think there's a confusion between crossdressers and sissies. I'm open to give a picture to a wikipedist to upload it. My Twitter is @sissybarbiepau if you want to get in touch with me.
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:558:10DF:9D52:C001:9755:CC63 ( talk) 14:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
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Archive 1: 2004 - September 2010
Dear all, see below. I'm new to this game. My point, I'll repeat it here, is that the Wikipedia article on the name Sissy is all nonsense. Sissy is a girls' name, meaning dear little Cecilia, a diminutive. Sissy was the courageous heroine in "Hard Times" by Charles Dickens. Her formal name, Cecilia, is given there. If you wanted a credible 19th-century historical reference to "Sissy", here is the first. Yes, it is used pejoratively by the bullies at school to insinuate that another boy is an effeminate coward by bestowing a girl's name on him, but that is only a derivative usage. --Miggle, 2 October 2017.
The article Sissy (transgender) doesn't discuss a significantly different concept than this one, except perhaps for the forced feminization aspects (called feminization (activity) here). I don't think that "Sissy (transgender)" is justified as a separate article. It just duplicates info that properly belongs here or at the feminization article. Tijfo098 ( talk) 10:44, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
All nonsense. Sissy is a girl's name, the diminutive of Cecilia. Sissy was the courageous heroine in Dickens' "Hard Times. -- Miggle
The Celluloid Closet mentions the rôle of sissies in Hays Code-era Hollywood, but they are wholly absent from this piece. Could someone with more knowledge than I expand this? — OwenBlacker ( Talk) 13:54, 7 September 2013 (UTC)
DexDor, regarding this edit, what do you mean? We include alternative titles for articles that are about words as well (as also currently seen in the lead of this article), so I don't understand your reasoning on this matter. Nowhere does WP:Alternative title state what you have stated on this matter. Neither does WP:WORDISSUBJECT.
On a side note: I won't WP:Ping you to this section again. So if you want to read replies, then you will need to check back here or temporarily put this article on your WP:Watchlist. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:02, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Other examples of alternative titles in the lead of articles about words are two noted at WP:WORDISSUBJECT: Political correctness and Homosexual agenda. Flyer22 ( talk) 06:07, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
Actually, there are some significant differences between a tomgirl and a sissy. A tomgirl is less "girly" and feminine than a sissy, and has a mixture of masculine and feminine interests, and still wears the same clothes that other, more masculine boys wear. A sissy, on the other hand, is very feminine, to the point of actually being "girly", has mostly or completely feminine interests, and wears makeup and clothes that girly girls would normally wear. The only reason why a tomgirl is called a tomgirl is because he is the conceptual opposite of a tomboy, which is a boyish girl; however, he is not quite as "girly" as a sissy. The collective term for both tomgirls and sissies would be girly boys. In terms of sexual orientation, a tomgirl can be straight, gay, or bisexual, but is usually straight, while a sissy, on the other hand, is usually gay. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.156.6.30 ( talk) 18:41, 12 August 2019 (UTC)
There has been some edit-warring over the image at the top of the article recently, so I had a look, and for the great majority of the history of this article, there has been no image. And rightly so. This article, as described in the lead, is about "...a pejorative term, especially in the U.S., for an effeminate boy or man". The rest of the article supports this definition.
There is a secondary meaning of "sissy" that involves a fetish subculture related to cross dressing, sometimes involving aspects of bdsm, forced feminization, erotic humiliation, and other sexual fetishes. In addition, in this secondary sense, it is not a pejorative term. The article has only one sentence related to this secondary meaning, and it is near the bottom of the article; except for this, the whole article is about the first sense.
Although there has been edit-warring over the image at the top, what is notable is that all of the image choices being inserted are related to the second, fetishistic sense of sissy, and not the primary sense. Since the article has historically had no top image, and because a top image should be related to the main topic of the article and not something else, I have removed the image entirely, and left a hidden note about this. Conceivably, an image could be added to the bottom of the article to illustrate the secondary sense, but only if it validly illustrates it, and not for self-promotion at this article. Mathglot ( talk) 10:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
This article appears to be about two different topics, and may need to be split. Much of the reasoning has already been described in the #Image warring section above, but as they may be archived separately. So I'll quote portions:
These are two very different topics. It's not clear which, if either of them is WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so they may both require parenthetical disambiguation, with a disambig page occupying the main title. Possibly Sissy (pejorative) and Sissy (fetish). The main question would be, if there are enough reliable sources to support an article on "Sissy (pejorative)". If not, this should be converted to a WP:BCA. Mathglot ( talk) 03:49, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
Im an independent artist and I am a sissy. I want you to use a picture I did to illustrate how is the real aspect of a sissy. I think there's a confusion between crossdressers and sissies. I'm open to give a picture to a wikipedist to upload it. My Twitter is @sissybarbiepau if you want to get in touch with me.
Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:558:10DF:9D52:C001:9755:CC63 ( talk) 14:46, 23 January 2021 (UTC)