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Nominator: Generalissima ( talk · contribs) 04:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Vortex3427 ( talk · contribs) 11:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Got here from WP:DISCORD. @ Generalissima:
The term shipping [...] emerged [...] to refer to fansThat's "shippers". Needs to be rephrased "to refer to the fan practice" etc.
period fanfiction websites alternatively alligned with eitherWhat does period mean? Contemporary? Does
alternativelyneed to be there, and maybe "aligned with both" instead.
ManyShippers.fans of particular pieces of media
canonto Canon (fiction).
Due to the intensity of emotional attachment to these pairings,Because of this,
fandom spacesmeans, exactly? I know the source doesn't really say, but it does describe Tumblr as an
important fandom space
The "destruction of LiveJournal"but
The destruction of LiveJournal communities, so it changes the meaning a little bit. Maybe just go with "This led to"?
Sorry to butt in, but there is a {{ citation needed}} and {{ how}} tag on the page. These should be fixed before any possible GA promotion. In addition, the text was changed significantly (by another user) since the review started, so this may have to be taken into account too. Epicgenius ( talk) 14:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
This is an interesting article, but the direction it takes surprised me. With a title like "Shipping discourse" I expected an overview of discourse about "shipping" generally (i. e. of how people talk about shipping). However, this seems to be covering the history and academic interpretation of a very specific range of shipping discourse focused around certain kinds of content within certain communities (possibly even at a certain moment in time, i. e. 2010s onward). The redirect of "ship wars" to here is especially surprising, since if I wanted to read about "ship wars" I'd expect to read about the back and forth that happens as people propose and oppose certain fictional romantic pairings (Zutara versus Kataang for instance, to use Avatar: The Last Airbender as an example), rather than about this much more abstract level of discourse that's about the inclusion or exclusion of certain genres/ranges/kinds of content. This article seems to be covering example of discourses people have about shipping, but what I've read about this elsewhere doesn't seem to mean to give the impression that this is the entirety of shipping discourse, or discourse about shipping, or in other words general talking about shipping (i. e. Zutara versus Kataang could be another example of "shipping discourse" even though it's not part of this more abstract conversation).
I think the title of this article would be better if it was more specific (maybe "Pro-shipping and anti-shipping" or ", and I think "ship wars" should redirect to shipping (fandom). Alternatively, if this particular title and term is in fact specifically about this (is this in fact an emic term?), some sort of summarization of the etymology of it would be helpfu. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 06:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
"Shipping discourse" works in the sense that there isn't other notable discourses about shipping characters (AFAIK, of course)—I suppose I would say that shipping itself is the most notable of all possible discourses about shipping characters, i. e. the discourse (i. e. talking/conversation) that fans have about the ships themselves (Zuatara or Kataang? Team Gale or Team Peeta? etc.), as opposed to this seemingly Tumblr/AO3-specific abstract-level conversation. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 18:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the term "shipping discourse" was being used in large media sites like The Mary Sue as far back as 2020 (note the headline, "Shipping Discourse: Do Ships Need to Be Unproblematic?"), and on blogging sites like Tumblr as far back as 2017 ("i declare shipping discourse as over. let’s all go home"). This blog had a 2016 post with the subject tag "shipping discourse" (plus, the blog's whole name is "Shipping Discource" [ sic]). DS ( talk) 13:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)timestamps are wrong because I posted this on April 18 2024 but forgot to sign
Here's a pitch:
What do you think? Spinixster (trout me!) 13:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
On Shipping itself, I think more than a paragraph or two would be undue weight here. Generalissima ( talk) (it/she) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)
Shipping discourse is currently a Culture, sociology and psychology good article nominee. Nominated by Generalissima ( talk) (it/she) at 04:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC) An editor has indicated a willingness to review the article in accordance with the good article criteria. Further reviews are welcome from any editor who has not contributed significantly to this article (or nominated it), and can be added to the review page, but the decision whether or not to list the article as a good article should be left to the first reviewer. Short description: Debate over sexual content in fanfiction |
This page was
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Americanfreedom (
talk ·
contribs) on 16 April 2024 with the comment: Wikipedia's rather lax notability guidelines+A bunch of very bored journalists with nothing better to write about≠The sex lives and proclivities of a bunch of imaginary people suddenly gaining notability. It was contested by Generalissima ( talk · contribs) on 2024-04-16 |
This article was nominated for deletion on 16 April 2024. The result of the discussion was speedy keep. |
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A fact from Shipping discourse appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
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check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
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The following references may be useful when improving this article in the future:
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The result was: promoted by
Hilst
talk 14:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 35 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Generalissima ( talk) (it/she) 06:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC).
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Nominator: Generalissima ( talk · contribs) 04:29, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Reviewer: Vortex3427 ( talk · contribs) 11:58, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
Got here from WP:DISCORD. @ Generalissima:
The term shipping [...] emerged [...] to refer to fansThat's "shippers". Needs to be rephrased "to refer to the fan practice" etc.
period fanfiction websites alternatively alligned with eitherWhat does period mean? Contemporary? Does
alternativelyneed to be there, and maybe "aligned with both" instead.
ManyShippers.fans of particular pieces of media
canonto Canon (fiction).
Due to the intensity of emotional attachment to these pairings,Because of this,
fandom spacesmeans, exactly? I know the source doesn't really say, but it does describe Tumblr as an
important fandom space
The "destruction of LiveJournal"but
The destruction of LiveJournal communities, so it changes the meaning a little bit. Maybe just go with "This led to"?
Sorry to butt in, but there is a {{ citation needed}} and {{ how}} tag on the page. These should be fixed before any possible GA promotion. In addition, the text was changed significantly (by another user) since the review started, so this may have to be taken into account too. Epicgenius ( talk) 14:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
This is an interesting article, but the direction it takes surprised me. With a title like "Shipping discourse" I expected an overview of discourse about "shipping" generally (i. e. of how people talk about shipping). However, this seems to be covering the history and academic interpretation of a very specific range of shipping discourse focused around certain kinds of content within certain communities (possibly even at a certain moment in time, i. e. 2010s onward). The redirect of "ship wars" to here is especially surprising, since if I wanted to read about "ship wars" I'd expect to read about the back and forth that happens as people propose and oppose certain fictional romantic pairings (Zutara versus Kataang for instance, to use Avatar: The Last Airbender as an example), rather than about this much more abstract level of discourse that's about the inclusion or exclusion of certain genres/ranges/kinds of content. This article seems to be covering example of discourses people have about shipping, but what I've read about this elsewhere doesn't seem to mean to give the impression that this is the entirety of shipping discourse, or discourse about shipping, or in other words general talking about shipping (i. e. Zutara versus Kataang could be another example of "shipping discourse" even though it's not part of this more abstract conversation).
I think the title of this article would be better if it was more specific (maybe "Pro-shipping and anti-shipping" or ", and I think "ship wars" should redirect to shipping (fandom). Alternatively, if this particular title and term is in fact specifically about this (is this in fact an emic term?), some sort of summarization of the etymology of it would be helpfu. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 06:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
"Shipping discourse" works in the sense that there isn't other notable discourses about shipping characters (AFAIK, of course)—I suppose I would say that shipping itself is the most notable of all possible discourses about shipping characters, i. e. the discourse (i. e. talking/conversation) that fans have about the ships themselves (Zuatara or Kataang? Team Gale or Team Peeta? etc.), as opposed to this seemingly Tumblr/AO3-specific abstract-level conversation. Hydrangeans ( she/her | talk | edits) 18:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Just to be clear, the term "shipping discourse" was being used in large media sites like The Mary Sue as far back as 2020 (note the headline, "Shipping Discourse: Do Ships Need to Be Unproblematic?"), and on blogging sites like Tumblr as far back as 2017 ("i declare shipping discourse as over. let’s all go home"). This blog had a 2016 post with the subject tag "shipping discourse" (plus, the blog's whole name is "Shipping Discource" [ sic]). DS ( talk) 13:52, 20 April 2024 (UTC)timestamps are wrong because I posted this on April 18 2024 but forgot to sign
Here's a pitch:
What do you think? Spinixster (trout me!) 13:20, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
On Shipping itself, I think more than a paragraph or two would be undue weight here. Generalissima ( talk) (it/she) 21:36, 29 April 2024 (UTC)