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Greetings ! I am not russian but russian speaking person. Contrasting their language with other Slavic languages I found that some words look different and and even Ukrainian share same lexicon with Czech. 2.133.211.65 ( talk) 07:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The genetic section includes some dubious statements with unclear verification, such as "genetic purity", "East Slavs identical to West Slavs", "unusual homogeneity", etc., all cited by rather old references (from 2002 and 2012).
This stands in contrast to newer studies which highlight at least some heterogeneity and admixture events. [1] [2]
Caution should be raised when someone speaks about "genetic purity", especially when these claims stand in contrast to:
Therefore, Siberian admixtures into Northeastern Europe likely began prior to 6.6 kya, coinciding with the expansion of Y-Chromosome haplogroup N1c1 among Siberians and Northeastern Europeans (7.1–4.9 kya). Since haplogroup N likely originated in Asia (Shi et al. 2013) and currently achieves its highest frequency among Siberian populations, its presence among Eastern Europeans likely reflects ancient gene flows from Siberia into Northeastern Europe.
Wang et al. 2015:
Orange172212 ( talk) 08:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
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My edit was reverted with the following edit summary: " good faith, but adding pictures of arbitrarily chosen "national heroes" is against WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES".
It's a flawed reasoning done in good faith because the pictures weren't in a gallery, it wasn't a photomontage, and it's not against Wikipedia rules to have a few pictures of famous people in an article about a nation or ethnic group, as long as the people are well-known or important in that nation's history, just look at the articles Ukrainians, Polish people or African Americans for comparison. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 18:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Jews are not mentioned in that section, seemingly because they are not "ethnic Russians". Defining ethnic Russians in a way that excludes Jews seems to be original research based on an idea of ethnicity being determined primarily by a person's "blood" (or genetics). Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Remove total population. It's misleading and unsourced. 193.187.88.197 ( talk) 00:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
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Greetings ! I am not russian but russian speaking person. Contrasting their language with other Slavic languages I found that some words look different and and even Ukrainian share same lexicon with Czech. 2.133.211.65 ( talk) 07:55, 6 January 2023 (UTC)
The genetic section includes some dubious statements with unclear verification, such as "genetic purity", "East Slavs identical to West Slavs", "unusual homogeneity", etc., all cited by rather old references (from 2002 and 2012).
This stands in contrast to newer studies which highlight at least some heterogeneity and admixture events. [1] [2]
Caution should be raised when someone speaks about "genetic purity", especially when these claims stand in contrast to:
Therefore, Siberian admixtures into Northeastern Europe likely began prior to 6.6 kya, coinciding with the expansion of Y-Chromosome haplogroup N1c1 among Siberians and Northeastern Europeans (7.1–4.9 kya). Since haplogroup N likely originated in Asia (Shi et al. 2013) and currently achieves its highest frequency among Siberian populations, its presence among Eastern Europeans likely reflects ancient gene flows from Siberia into Northeastern Europe.
Wang et al. 2015:
Orange172212 ( talk) 08:20, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
References
My edit was reverted with the following edit summary: " good faith, but adding pictures of arbitrarily chosen "national heroes" is against WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES".
It's a flawed reasoning done in good faith because the pictures weren't in a gallery, it wasn't a photomontage, and it's not against Wikipedia rules to have a few pictures of famous people in an article about a nation or ethnic group, as long as the people are well-known or important in that nation's history, just look at the articles Ukrainians, Polish people or African Americans for comparison. -- Tobby72 ( talk) 18:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
Jews are not mentioned in that section, seemingly because they are not "ethnic Russians". Defining ethnic Russians in a way that excludes Jews seems to be original research based on an idea of ethnicity being determined primarily by a person's "blood" (or genetics). Rsk6400 ( talk) 06:59, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
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Remove total population. It's misleading and unsourced. 193.187.88.197 ( talk) 00:16, 20 March 2024 (UTC)