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The article has been prematurely edited to show Rich Rodruiguez as Alabama's coach. While it pretends to include a "reference," the linked article is just a published rumor, and not even from a well-known source. No official statement has been made by either school, and no public knowledge of a signed contract exists. I am reverting the article, and it should continue to say WVU until any changes are TRULY announced at 3:00 P.M. today. (Besides, the changes made weren't even well-done) Aerodave 01:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
"two sources close to the search" sounds like it's still a rumor to me. Note that the Birmingham News has been wrong about basically everything they've printed (Spurrier rumors, etc) since thanksgiving. -- 68.84.102.249 03:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, ESPN has now reported on SportsCenter multiple times that RR is going to Alabama and that the paperwork is just a formality. However, the WV Gazette - http://www.wvgazette.com/section/103/200612081 - quotes RichRod as saying that he has made no decision and that the ESPN report was fiction ... so, no, it wasn't speculation - it was the best information we had at the time. However, now that RichRod has said it was a false report, I agree, leave it off. BigDT 15:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[5]...just waiting for UA or WVU to issue an official press statement. TronNDoE 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The idea that he had agreed to the Alabama job in principle has not been proven, and was denied by RichRod himself. I'm removing that section, as it infers he reneged on a deal.
The user that blanked this Talk page shouldn't have. I'm not saying this section shouldn't one day be removed. But while the Alabama drama is still fresh news, it's important to keep a record of this discussion. At the very least, people will wonder why the article has restricted editing, and this discussion will help. Aerodave 23:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Is Rich Rodriguez really hispanic? Just because he has the last name "Rodriguez", that doesn't mean he is hispanic. I'd like to see that sentence removed or see a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.196.240 ( talk) 22:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I am certain that Rich Rodriguez is NOT Hispanic. There was some fanfare last year when Mario Cristobal was hired at FIU that he was the first and only I-A Hispanic head coach. In fact, this New York Times article mentions that: http://www.nytimes-institute.com/OLD_SITE/2007_Miami/2007_miami/10players.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.123.200 ( talk) 17:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Girl Scouts?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.137.101 ( talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
WVU has not sued Rodriguez. The action is what is known as a Declaratory Action which is a request of the court to deem the existing contract to be valid. In this action no damages are sought and no suit is brought. A law suit cannot be filed until after January 19, 2008 assuming the $1.33 million installment payment is not made as part of the liquidated damages clause contained in the employment contract. (DA)
Several references have been added recently to an issue regarding the use of money from a recruiting fund for private air travel ( http://www.register-herald.com/sports/local_story_022232247.html). The references have implied that Rodriguez inappropriately used the funds for other purposes. The articles in fact state that it was the WVU Athletic Department that used the funds for other purposes over Rodriguez's objections. I just wanted to point this out since it has been inserted incorrectly twice now. This issue is covered in the section titled Contract Controversy at the moment. Maracle ( talk) 21:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You are correct. I think its important in all of this to maintain the perspective of bystander and not editorial writer. Burnsfessler ( talk) 17:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
While the phrase is accurate, I've never heard a buyout referred to as "liquidated damages." I've reverted this because I think it's clearer and because the media uniformly uses the word buyout. - TheMile ( talk) 14:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added a parenthetical note so that the article can remain accurate (per Cmichael) and so the people can relate this article to the media coverage (per TheMile).
y'amer'can (
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This section is convoluted and just plain inaccurate in some respects. I don't have time to fix it right now, and am leaving this note mostly as a reminder to myself to do so when I get a chance. If somebody else wants to work on it in the interim, my feelings wont be hurt <grin>. Cmichael ( talk) 04:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I took out most of the details about the legal maneuvering during the lawsuit. It all seemed relevant when it was a current event, but now that its in the past, it seems to me to be unnecessary detail which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Cmichael ( talk) 16:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
There was some inconsistency in the Glenville section. It originally stated he went 1-7-1 in 1990, then 5-5 in 1991. Then stated 4-5-1 in 1991 in the very next sentence. I deleted the line stating he was 5-5 as 4-5-1 is the correct record, so there is now only one reference to the 1991 season record. Also changed the sentence structure slighty for better comprehension given all the n-dashes that were in the sentence with the record and aside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.27.236 ( talk) 02:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The article from MichiganToday, while it contains a few errors, is written by John Bacon who is a noted author and a reliable source. But aside from that, Rodriguez himself is the one talking about moving to West Virginia. Since most of the edits come from people who clearly joined Wikipedia just to edit this page, I'd like to point out that when we have a reliable source interviewing someone that takes precedence over anything else. For example, it's fact that he is from Grant Town, and without verification it's easy to assume he was born there. I was born in Encinitas, California and moved to Michigan when I was about 9 months old. Most people assume I was born in Michigan. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 08:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Did you actually witness this interview? Just because it has quote marks doesn't make it credible. I find the No Honeymoon article very suspect, it is full of incorrect information. I also find it odd that the AP, the University of Michigan's profile of Rodriguez when he was hired, West Virginia University's profile, the Detroit Free Press and ESPN would all say that his birthplace is Grant Town. -- Jnpmd ( talk) 16:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Bacon may be credible, but the article is seriously flawed. If you even admit that the article has major errors, why would you site it as a reliable source? Jnpmd ( talk) 16:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
If you go to the TSE Sports and Entertainment website, you can review Rich Rodriguez's biography when booking him for a speaking engagement or public appearance. According to his biography, he was born and raised in West Virginia. It also states his place of birth as Grant Town, WV. I agree that sometimes people state they are from a state, even when they were born in another place. However, Rodriguez has often referred to himself as a native West Virginian. The word "native" implies he was born in West Virginia. http://athletes-celebrities.tseworld.com/sports/coaches/rich-rodriguez.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by UMgoBlue ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I attended a University of Michigan football game for the first time this year. While at The Big House, I purchased an 'official' game program. To my shock and amazement, it listed the place of birth as "Chicago, IL" for Rich Rodriguez.
I will scan the official University of Michigan game program picture/article which clearly states that Rich Rodriguez was born in Chicago, IL and post the link. I am not quite sure how to do it but I will figure it out. Any suggestions are welcome. I still have the program (kept it as a sovenier) so I will definitely be able to scan and post the link sometime this week. In the meantime, here is another article that I pulled up on the subject. http://mvictors.com/?p=1465 Here is the source of the article. http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2008/11/rodriguez.php
There is empiracal evidence that Rich Rodriguez HIMSELF has said that he was born in Chicago. Who are we to refute that? Doesn't it stand to reason that he would know, better than anyone else, where he was born.
Additionally, short of proving up the evidence through an actual birth certificate, the next best things are: 1) Rich Rodriguez, himself, saying that he was born in Chicago, and 2) the official game program for the University of Michigan. Why is the game program such compelling and dispositive proof? Because coaches are held account for every word written in them. Coaches have been fired for mis-reporting information in their official bios.
Why would Rich Rodriguez risk his job over something so small and trivial? A simple cost/benefit analysis would rule out the possibly of fraud in this instance. Moreover, short of proof of fraud, I submit that we have to take what is written into his bio at face value. Bios are scrubbed against falehoods. And there is no reason to think such a falsehood has been perpetrated in this instance. In my humble opinion, the OFFICIAL game program of the University of Michigan should put this issue to rest. It is clear and convincing evidence.
We have multiple sources that state that Rich Rodriguez was born in Chicago. The mother of Rich Rodriguez and Rich Rodriguez himself. Moreover, the 'one source' you allude to is so strong and compelling that (short of an actual birth certificate) it provides the strongest possible documentary evidence on this subject. Again, official bios are scrubbed and fact checked ad infinitum. This discussion forum has already made the determination that "official biographies are better sources". Until West Virginia fans can be provide proof other than mere opinion evidence, or the opinion evidence formed by print journalists who, in many instances, assumed that Rich Rodriguez was born in Grant Town, certainly the words of Rich Rodriguez himself, his mother, and the official University of Michigan game bio provide the strongest possible corroborative evidence that Rich Rodriguez was, in fact, born in Chicago, IL.
As someone on BLP's talk page pointed out... there is no hospital in Grant Town to be born in. - MichiganCharms ( talk) 01:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This is sad. Fine, so the Chicago birthplace is in question for the reasons well stated above. But after all of the energy put into the arguments back and forth, his page still lists Grant Town as the birth place and links to a "source" (an U-M alumni site) that simply states "Rodriguez, a native of Grant Town, W.Va.". That's the Wikipedia source that meets all the standards above? If you can't find an acceptable source for his birthplace, shouldn't that be clearly stated to the reader? User:gregdooley
The U-M 2009 Spring Football Guide also confirms "Born: May 24, 1963 in Chicago, Ill." instead of "native of Grant Town" page 99. http://mgoblue.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Football/Articles/2000s/2009-2010/fbl-2009-staff-richrod.pdf Yes, this is a University source. You should at least state that Grant Town is disputed his University bio in this record. User:gregdooley
Birthplace
Of the multiple independent sources currently cited for Rodriguez's birthplace being Chicago, 1 is a blog, 1 is about as journalistic as a blog (Scout), and 1 is NNDB. None of these three is likely to have done any research regarding Rodriguez's birthplace beyond, say, visiting Wikipedia. On the other hand, [6] appears to be an actual biographical article done with access to Rodriguez himself.
None of these are particularly reliable sources. While certainly third-party, the three used currently to put his birthplace at Grant Town are not "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."
I acknowledge that the Michigan Today article may, in some points of view, not be third-party. In my opinion, this is incorrect, as the article was not written by Rodriguez himself. I don't think there's any way the article's affiliation with U of M would make the author falsify such a trivial detail. In any case, this article appears to be significantly more reliable than the other three, according to WP:RS. It's written by someone with actual journalistic credentials that quite obviously does _some_ fact checking (see the article's correction).
Unless someone can find a better source that puts his birthplace as Grant Town, I submit that we should change it to Chicago.
TheMile ( talk) 16:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally, I take exception to User:TheMile's assertion that the Michigan Today article is anything other than advertising. It is not. College football is big business and, for the schools, it's all about the money. The article's clear purpose is to promote Michigan's products, including its football team and its coach. There is nothing wrong with that. But it is anything but a reliable source. Cmichael ( talk) 02:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Humorous Aside: I see that this argument might be heating up again, so was searching for some better sources and happened upon Rodriguez's Facebook page. I would never propose Facebook as a reliable source, but smiled when I saw that it listed his birthplace as Grant Town. I wondered if some would argue that "he must have been born in Grant Town, because he said it his very own self on Facebook." Then I realized that they had just copied the first paragraph from our article into his Facebook profile. Cmichael ( talk) 05:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, here is a reliable source that says "Grant Town." And another. And a third. Michigan Daily, which seems to have had good access to him, clearly states he was born in Grant Town. This one is a little more shaky, also grabbing the first paragraph from our article. Here he says in a 2006 interview that he "grew up" in Grant Town, but does not specifically name his birth place. Ditto Mlive.com. Interestingly, Reference.com, which looks for all the world like a reliable source (owned by ask.com) just reprints our article in its entirety. Allexperts.com says "Grant Town." The Free Library provides an interview in which he says he "grew up" in Grant Town, but again the place of birth is not specifically mentioned. I just can't find any source that says he was born in Chicago except for those which track back to that original University of Michigan piece. Cmichael ( talk) 06:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Leave it be Chicago for now. One of these days, when he's coaching at Little Bighorn College, somebody will report that he was born on a ranch outside of Butte, the local rags will pick it up, and we'll end up changing it to match those reports. Cmichael ( talk) 02:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Like you, Garkeith, I was disturbed that somebody had quietly changed it back to "Chicago" without first bringing the discussion back here. It smacked of bad faith, and I still agree with your characterization of it as "vandalism." The Blade article is the first I've seen that both says "Chicago" and also seems to me to meet WP:RS. Having found such a reliable source, I changed it to Chicago. If a better source comes along saying something different, I am open to change. As to The Mile's observation that I am from West Virginia: That is true, but has absolutely nothing to do with my thoughts on this issue. I care not one whit where Mr. Rodriguez was born. My interest is in making Wikipedia the best encyclopedia possible, and I'll not apologize for insisting that we follow WP:RS. If a better source comes along that says he was born in Alaska or Amarillo, or even the Antarctic, I'll go with that source and make a further change. The shenanigans we have seen, and the coverage that his discussion has gotten in the Michigan press are both very disconcerting to me. Cmichael ( talk) 22:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Conclusive proof that Rich Rodriquez was born in Chicago: HIS OWN WORDS!!! Watch this video: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/richrod-his-own-words
The man clearly says, "that he was born in Chicago" on the video that I just provided. It is totally absurd to list anyplace else as the man's place of birth. Rich Rodriquez himself has answered this question for us. He is the best proof there is. Again, here is the video link: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/richrod-his-own-words —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.160.160 ( talk) 05:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The paragraph on the 2008 Michigan football season has turned into a jumbled mess. I haven't really followed it closely, maybe somebody who has could jump in and put it in chronological order, or perhaps even construct a table? Cmichael ( talk) 04:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As far as his nickname, he is reffered to in the WV media as Coach Rod, never just "ROD" That I have ever heard. The nickname needs to be left "Coach Rod" Garkeith ( talk) 11:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Please take a moment and comment whether this article should or should not be deleted. Ikip ( talk) 20:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I started to put the Boren paragraph back in with some cleanup, as I think it is an important part of the story, however I realized that the citation is a blog, which is unacceptable. I would be in favor of including the information, though, if it is properly cited. Cmichael ( talk) 17:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I edited the section in hopes of tryig to stop what appears to be an edit war between 2 posters. In the future, instead of reverting, a poster should try to edit out POV content in a section. The content appears reasonable and cited by good sources (FREEP). Simply because the topic is not something a UM fan would like, does not mean it should not be included. -- CraigMonroe ( talk) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
It would appear that new evidence (specifically this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTB4wgDMDJc) has come to light, with Rodriguez himself stating that he was born in Chicago. I'm not sure you can find a more reliable source than his own words, on video. Someone has already edited the article, I've added the video as a source. I'm content to leave the line about being a native of Grant Town as he repeatedly talks about growing up there and clearly feels a deeper connection to it than Chicago. This video has a wealth of biographical information, I hope to see it used a lot in the article -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 23:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Please note the discussion I've placed at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rich_Rodriguez. If you have any comments, please comment there. Thanks! Magog the Ogre ( talk) 09:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
We as Wikipedia editors must not jump the gun and report rumors as facts. The latest out of Ann Arbor is that Rich Rodriguez has not been fired. Leave his status as coach in the present tense unless something happens definitely.
If people could keep an eye out for a new image of Rodriguez (hopefully something of him at Arizona) that we could use to replace the current image, it would be much appreciated. -- Kevin W./ Talk• CFB uniforms/ Talk 03:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Since the Detroit Free Press broke the original story and have been accused of questionable journalistic practices in regards to it, using them as the primary source for this section is inappropriate. They are a party to the scandal and citing them as a source is no more appropriate than citing a press release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.70.16 ( talk) 05:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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The article has been prematurely edited to show Rich Rodruiguez as Alabama's coach. While it pretends to include a "reference," the linked article is just a published rumor, and not even from a well-known source. No official statement has been made by either school, and no public knowledge of a signed contract exists. I am reverting the article, and it should continue to say WVU until any changes are TRULY announced at 3:00 P.M. today. (Besides, the changes made weren't even well-done) Aerodave 01:13, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
"two sources close to the search" sounds like it's still a rumor to me. Note that the Birmingham News has been wrong about basically everything they've printed (Spurrier rumors, etc) since thanksgiving. -- 68.84.102.249 03:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, ESPN has now reported on SportsCenter multiple times that RR is going to Alabama and that the paperwork is just a formality. However, the WV Gazette - http://www.wvgazette.com/section/103/200612081 - quotes RichRod as saying that he has made no decision and that the ESPN report was fiction ... so, no, it wasn't speculation - it was the best information we had at the time. However, now that RichRod has said it was a false report, I agree, leave it off. BigDT 15:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
[5]...just waiting for UA or WVU to issue an official press statement. TronNDoE 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
The idea that he had agreed to the Alabama job in principle has not been proven, and was denied by RichRod himself. I'm removing that section, as it infers he reneged on a deal.
The user that blanked this Talk page shouldn't have. I'm not saying this section shouldn't one day be removed. But while the Alabama drama is still fresh news, it's important to keep a record of this discussion. At the very least, people will wonder why the article has restricted editing, and this discussion will help. Aerodave 23:31, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
Is Rich Rodriguez really hispanic? Just because he has the last name "Rodriguez", that doesn't mean he is hispanic. I'd like to see that sentence removed or see a citation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.28.196.240 ( talk) 22:03, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
I am certain that Rich Rodriguez is NOT Hispanic. There was some fanfare last year when Mario Cristobal was hired at FIU that he was the first and only I-A Hispanic head coach. In fact, this New York Times article mentions that: http://www.nytimes-institute.com/OLD_SITE/2007_Miami/2007_miami/10players.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.129.123.200 ( talk) 17:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
Girl Scouts?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.107.137.101 ( talk) 07:16, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
WVU has not sued Rodriguez. The action is what is known as a Declaratory Action which is a request of the court to deem the existing contract to be valid. In this action no damages are sought and no suit is brought. A law suit cannot be filed until after January 19, 2008 assuming the $1.33 million installment payment is not made as part of the liquidated damages clause contained in the employment contract. (DA)
Several references have been added recently to an issue regarding the use of money from a recruiting fund for private air travel ( http://www.register-herald.com/sports/local_story_022232247.html). The references have implied that Rodriguez inappropriately used the funds for other purposes. The articles in fact state that it was the WVU Athletic Department that used the funds for other purposes over Rodriguez's objections. I just wanted to point this out since it has been inserted incorrectly twice now. This issue is covered in the section titled Contract Controversy at the moment. Maracle ( talk) 21:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
You are correct. I think its important in all of this to maintain the perspective of bystander and not editorial writer. Burnsfessler ( talk) 17:18, 26 January 2008 (UTC)
While the phrase is accurate, I've never heard a buyout referred to as "liquidated damages." I've reverted this because I think it's clearer and because the media uniformly uses the word buyout. - TheMile ( talk) 14:10, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I've added a parenthetical note so that the article can remain accurate (per Cmichael) and so the people can relate this article to the media coverage (per TheMile).
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This section is convoluted and just plain inaccurate in some respects. I don't have time to fix it right now, and am leaving this note mostly as a reminder to myself to do so when I get a chance. If somebody else wants to work on it in the interim, my feelings wont be hurt <grin>. Cmichael ( talk) 04:48, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I took out most of the details about the legal maneuvering during the lawsuit. It all seemed relevant when it was a current event, but now that its in the past, it seems to me to be unnecessary detail which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. Cmichael ( talk) 16:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
There was some inconsistency in the Glenville section. It originally stated he went 1-7-1 in 1990, then 5-5 in 1991. Then stated 4-5-1 in 1991 in the very next sentence. I deleted the line stating he was 5-5 as 4-5-1 is the correct record, so there is now only one reference to the 1991 season record. Also changed the sentence structure slighty for better comprehension given all the n-dashes that were in the sentence with the record and aside. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.10.27.236 ( talk) 02:32, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
The article from MichiganToday, while it contains a few errors, is written by John Bacon who is a noted author and a reliable source. But aside from that, Rodriguez himself is the one talking about moving to West Virginia. Since most of the edits come from people who clearly joined Wikipedia just to edit this page, I'd like to point out that when we have a reliable source interviewing someone that takes precedence over anything else. For example, it's fact that he is from Grant Town, and without verification it's easy to assume he was born there. I was born in Encinitas, California and moved to Michigan when I was about 9 months old. Most people assume I was born in Michigan. -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 08:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Did you actually witness this interview? Just because it has quote marks doesn't make it credible. I find the No Honeymoon article very suspect, it is full of incorrect information. I also find it odd that the AP, the University of Michigan's profile of Rodriguez when he was hired, West Virginia University's profile, the Detroit Free Press and ESPN would all say that his birthplace is Grant Town. -- Jnpmd ( talk) 16:42, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
Bacon may be credible, but the article is seriously flawed. If you even admit that the article has major errors, why would you site it as a reliable source? Jnpmd ( talk) 16:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
If you go to the TSE Sports and Entertainment website, you can review Rich Rodriguez's biography when booking him for a speaking engagement or public appearance. According to his biography, he was born and raised in West Virginia. It also states his place of birth as Grant Town, WV. I agree that sometimes people state they are from a state, even when they were born in another place. However, Rodriguez has often referred to himself as a native West Virginian. The word "native" implies he was born in West Virginia. http://athletes-celebrities.tseworld.com/sports/coaches/rich-rodriguez.php —Preceding unsigned comment added by UMgoBlue ( talk • contribs) 21:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
I attended a University of Michigan football game for the first time this year. While at The Big House, I purchased an 'official' game program. To my shock and amazement, it listed the place of birth as "Chicago, IL" for Rich Rodriguez.
I will scan the official University of Michigan game program picture/article which clearly states that Rich Rodriguez was born in Chicago, IL and post the link. I am not quite sure how to do it but I will figure it out. Any suggestions are welcome. I still have the program (kept it as a sovenier) so I will definitely be able to scan and post the link sometime this week. In the meantime, here is another article that I pulled up on the subject. http://mvictors.com/?p=1465 Here is the source of the article. http://michigantoday.umich.edu/2008/11/rodriguez.php
There is empiracal evidence that Rich Rodriguez HIMSELF has said that he was born in Chicago. Who are we to refute that? Doesn't it stand to reason that he would know, better than anyone else, where he was born.
Additionally, short of proving up the evidence through an actual birth certificate, the next best things are: 1) Rich Rodriguez, himself, saying that he was born in Chicago, and 2) the official game program for the University of Michigan. Why is the game program such compelling and dispositive proof? Because coaches are held account for every word written in them. Coaches have been fired for mis-reporting information in their official bios.
Why would Rich Rodriguez risk his job over something so small and trivial? A simple cost/benefit analysis would rule out the possibly of fraud in this instance. Moreover, short of proof of fraud, I submit that we have to take what is written into his bio at face value. Bios are scrubbed against falehoods. And there is no reason to think such a falsehood has been perpetrated in this instance. In my humble opinion, the OFFICIAL game program of the University of Michigan should put this issue to rest. It is clear and convincing evidence.
We have multiple sources that state that Rich Rodriguez was born in Chicago. The mother of Rich Rodriguez and Rich Rodriguez himself. Moreover, the 'one source' you allude to is so strong and compelling that (short of an actual birth certificate) it provides the strongest possible documentary evidence on this subject. Again, official bios are scrubbed and fact checked ad infinitum. This discussion forum has already made the determination that "official biographies are better sources". Until West Virginia fans can be provide proof other than mere opinion evidence, or the opinion evidence formed by print journalists who, in many instances, assumed that Rich Rodriguez was born in Grant Town, certainly the words of Rich Rodriguez himself, his mother, and the official University of Michigan game bio provide the strongest possible corroborative evidence that Rich Rodriguez was, in fact, born in Chicago, IL.
As someone on BLP's talk page pointed out... there is no hospital in Grant Town to be born in. - MichiganCharms ( talk) 01:24, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
This is sad. Fine, so the Chicago birthplace is in question for the reasons well stated above. But after all of the energy put into the arguments back and forth, his page still lists Grant Town as the birth place and links to a "source" (an U-M alumni site) that simply states "Rodriguez, a native of Grant Town, W.Va.". That's the Wikipedia source that meets all the standards above? If you can't find an acceptable source for his birthplace, shouldn't that be clearly stated to the reader? User:gregdooley
The U-M 2009 Spring Football Guide also confirms "Born: May 24, 1963 in Chicago, Ill." instead of "native of Grant Town" page 99. http://mgoblue.com/uploadedFiles/Sports/Football/Articles/2000s/2009-2010/fbl-2009-staff-richrod.pdf Yes, this is a University source. You should at least state that Grant Town is disputed his University bio in this record. User:gregdooley
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Of the multiple independent sources currently cited for Rodriguez's birthplace being Chicago, 1 is a blog, 1 is about as journalistic as a blog (Scout), and 1 is NNDB. None of these three is likely to have done any research regarding Rodriguez's birthplace beyond, say, visiting Wikipedia. On the other hand, [6] appears to be an actual biographical article done with access to Rodriguez himself.
None of these are particularly reliable sources. While certainly third-party, the three used currently to put his birthplace at Grant Town are not "reliable, third-party, published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy."
I acknowledge that the Michigan Today article may, in some points of view, not be third-party. In my opinion, this is incorrect, as the article was not written by Rodriguez himself. I don't think there's any way the article's affiliation with U of M would make the author falsify such a trivial detail. In any case, this article appears to be significantly more reliable than the other three, according to WP:RS. It's written by someone with actual journalistic credentials that quite obviously does _some_ fact checking (see the article's correction).
Unless someone can find a better source that puts his birthplace as Grant Town, I submit that we should change it to Chicago.
TheMile ( talk) 16:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Incidentally, I take exception to User:TheMile's assertion that the Michigan Today article is anything other than advertising. It is not. College football is big business and, for the schools, it's all about the money. The article's clear purpose is to promote Michigan's products, including its football team and its coach. There is nothing wrong with that. But it is anything but a reliable source. Cmichael ( talk) 02:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Humorous Aside: I see that this argument might be heating up again, so was searching for some better sources and happened upon Rodriguez's Facebook page. I would never propose Facebook as a reliable source, but smiled when I saw that it listed his birthplace as Grant Town. I wondered if some would argue that "he must have been born in Grant Town, because he said it his very own self on Facebook." Then I realized that they had just copied the first paragraph from our article into his Facebook profile. Cmichael ( talk) 05:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Anyway, here is a reliable source that says "Grant Town." And another. And a third. Michigan Daily, which seems to have had good access to him, clearly states he was born in Grant Town. This one is a little more shaky, also grabbing the first paragraph from our article. Here he says in a 2006 interview that he "grew up" in Grant Town, but does not specifically name his birth place. Ditto Mlive.com. Interestingly, Reference.com, which looks for all the world like a reliable source (owned by ask.com) just reprints our article in its entirety. Allexperts.com says "Grant Town." The Free Library provides an interview in which he says he "grew up" in Grant Town, but again the place of birth is not specifically mentioned. I just can't find any source that says he was born in Chicago except for those which track back to that original University of Michigan piece. Cmichael ( talk) 06:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Leave it be Chicago for now. One of these days, when he's coaching at Little Bighorn College, somebody will report that he was born on a ranch outside of Butte, the local rags will pick it up, and we'll end up changing it to match those reports. Cmichael ( talk) 02:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Like you, Garkeith, I was disturbed that somebody had quietly changed it back to "Chicago" without first bringing the discussion back here. It smacked of bad faith, and I still agree with your characterization of it as "vandalism." The Blade article is the first I've seen that both says "Chicago" and also seems to me to meet WP:RS. Having found such a reliable source, I changed it to Chicago. If a better source comes along saying something different, I am open to change. As to The Mile's observation that I am from West Virginia: That is true, but has absolutely nothing to do with my thoughts on this issue. I care not one whit where Mr. Rodriguez was born. My interest is in making Wikipedia the best encyclopedia possible, and I'll not apologize for insisting that we follow WP:RS. If a better source comes along that says he was born in Alaska or Amarillo, or even the Antarctic, I'll go with that source and make a further change. The shenanigans we have seen, and the coverage that his discussion has gotten in the Michigan press are both very disconcerting to me. Cmichael ( talk) 22:28, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
Conclusive proof that Rich Rodriquez was born in Chicago: HIS OWN WORDS!!! Watch this video: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/richrod-his-own-words
The man clearly says, "that he was born in Chicago" on the video that I just provided. It is totally absurd to list anyplace else as the man's place of birth. Rich Rodriquez himself has answered this question for us. He is the best proof there is. Again, here is the video link: http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/richrod-his-own-words —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.160.160 ( talk) 05:42, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
The paragraph on the 2008 Michigan football season has turned into a jumbled mess. I haven't really followed it closely, maybe somebody who has could jump in and put it in chronological order, or perhaps even construct a table? Cmichael ( talk) 04:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
As far as his nickname, he is reffered to in the WV media as Coach Rod, never just "ROD" That I have ever heard. The nickname needs to be left "Coach Rod" Garkeith ( talk) 11:49, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
Please take a moment and comment whether this article should or should not be deleted. Ikip ( talk) 20:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
I started to put the Boren paragraph back in with some cleanup, as I think it is an important part of the story, however I realized that the citation is a blog, which is unacceptable. I would be in favor of including the information, though, if it is properly cited. Cmichael ( talk) 17:32, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
I edited the section in hopes of tryig to stop what appears to be an edit war between 2 posters. In the future, instead of reverting, a poster should try to edit out POV content in a section. The content appears reasonable and cited by good sources (FREEP). Simply because the topic is not something a UM fan would like, does not mean it should not be included. -- CraigMonroe ( talk) 19:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
It would appear that new evidence (specifically this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTB4wgDMDJc) has come to light, with Rodriguez himself stating that he was born in Chicago. I'm not sure you can find a more reliable source than his own words, on video. Someone has already edited the article, I've added the video as a source. I'm content to leave the line about being a native of Grant Town as he repeatedly talks about growing up there and clearly feels a deeper connection to it than Chicago. This video has a wealth of biographical information, I hope to see it used a lot in the article -- MichiganCharms ( talk) 23:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Please note the discussion I've placed at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Rich_Rodriguez. If you have any comments, please comment there. Thanks! Magog the Ogre ( talk) 09:09, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
We as Wikipedia editors must not jump the gun and report rumors as facts. The latest out of Ann Arbor is that Rich Rodriguez has not been fired. Leave his status as coach in the present tense unless something happens definitely.
If people could keep an eye out for a new image of Rodriguez (hopefully something of him at Arizona) that we could use to replace the current image, it would be much appreciated. -- Kevin W./ Talk• CFB uniforms/ Talk 03:02, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
Since the Detroit Free Press broke the original story and have been accused of questionable journalistic practices in regards to it, using them as the primary source for this section is inappropriate. They are a party to the scandal and citing them as a source is no more appropriate than citing a press release. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.70.16 ( talk) 05:01, 20 August 2015 (UTC)
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