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This article needs some sources, especially for statements like revenue stamps "are often made from the same type of paper as banknotes". I haven't seen any such revenue stamps. Ecphora ( talk) 03:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello :-)
i am writing on the issue of some of the cross-links between Rus, Bulg and Eng. This is a continuation from the russian discussion page of this article.
I have been following the discussion on that page, and i want you to know that from what i think i understand :-) that i agree with you
I agreed with Michael Romanov on the issue of cross-referencing between bg:banderol and en:Revenue stamp back in June 2008, so have not touched your changes since that discussion.
The other day i created the article bg:gerbova marka and linked it to en:revenue stamp; i then linked the EN article to BOTH ru:gerbovaya and ru:fiskalnaya marka, since the word in english makes no distinction between the two, as far as i could see (if i am wrong, please correct me!).
Then i created the bg:гербов налог article and linked it to Stamp duty, and i saw that Nickpo also linked it to ru:Гербовый сбор.
i am now considering creating an article in the en WP called Revenue stamp (tobacco and alcohol), since this is a separate category which, although does not appear to exist in UK/US legislation, exists in almost every other country i can think of, and it will at least sort out in the correct way all the interwiki links. (however, it appears that there is a new UK law and these stamps are now starting to come in - see here and here - they have been in use for a couple of years now on all alcohols (they are pink-red in colour) so it is a necessary article.
what do you think?
one question: what is the legal difference between Fiskalnaya and Gerbovaya marki and are they both equivalent to Revenue stamp? BigSteve ( talk) 13:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe this will help. As I understand it, the terms "revenue stamp" and "fiscal stamp" are synonymous. I think the term "duty stamp" is pretty rare, at least in the United States. There seem to be two general sub-categories of revenue stamps: The first is a "documentary stamp" which typically is attached to a legal document (deed, bond, stock transfer, etc.) to show that a tax has been paid. The second is a "proprietary stamp" , which is attached to an object or product that is subject to tax such as playing cards, tobacco or liquor. These terms are so defined in R. Scott Carleton, The International Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Philately, and are also used in Scott's Specialized US Catalog. I don't see any other categories used in Forbin, Catalogue de Timbres-Fiscaux, at least for US revenues. I'm not sure, however, that all revenue stamps can neatly fit into these categories. Some US revenues, for example, could be used either on documents or products. Ecphora ( talk) 23:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
ps. i am considering re-adding the link to bg:gerbova marka to this article for the following reason: i have been unable to find any generic name in the BG Lang that includes all types of revenue stamps, and the only article name i can think of for a BG article equivalent to this one would be something crude-sounding like danachni tsenni knigi ("taxation securities") which would be incorrect and un-encyclopedic. unfortunately there is no Bulgarian WikiProject on any related subject where i can discuss this... ( bg portals; bg projects) BigSteve ( talk) 16:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The suggested question has been asked on the WikiProject pages for Economics, Taxation, Finance and Philately, and users have been invited to provide their answers here - kindly awaiting your replies! BigSteve ( talk) 13:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't get how the stamps are used to collect taxes. Are they placed directly onto the products and paid at time of purchase? Please answer in the article as well as here. -- Jeiki Rebirth ( talk) 02:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
It seems like postage stamps are a kind of revenue stamp used to tax mail. Are postage stamps considered a type of revenue stamp? If not, why not? 138.16.18.24 ( talk) 01:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Revenue stamp/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
==WP Tax Class==
Start class bec it needs expansion and more references. Good use of graphics though so with expansion this article would definitely have potential to go much higher. EECavazos 17:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC) ==WP Tax Priority== Low priority because the article is on the stamp rather than the tax itself. EECavazos 17:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
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This article needs some sources, especially for statements like revenue stamps "are often made from the same type of paper as banknotes". I haven't seen any such revenue stamps. Ecphora ( talk) 03:06, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello :-)
i am writing on the issue of some of the cross-links between Rus, Bulg and Eng. This is a continuation from the russian discussion page of this article.
I have been following the discussion on that page, and i want you to know that from what i think i understand :-) that i agree with you
I agreed with Michael Romanov on the issue of cross-referencing between bg:banderol and en:Revenue stamp back in June 2008, so have not touched your changes since that discussion.
The other day i created the article bg:gerbova marka and linked it to en:revenue stamp; i then linked the EN article to BOTH ru:gerbovaya and ru:fiskalnaya marka, since the word in english makes no distinction between the two, as far as i could see (if i am wrong, please correct me!).
Then i created the bg:гербов налог article and linked it to Stamp duty, and i saw that Nickpo also linked it to ru:Гербовый сбор.
i am now considering creating an article in the en WP called Revenue stamp (tobacco and alcohol), since this is a separate category which, although does not appear to exist in UK/US legislation, exists in almost every other country i can think of, and it will at least sort out in the correct way all the interwiki links. (however, it appears that there is a new UK law and these stamps are now starting to come in - see here and here - they have been in use for a couple of years now on all alcohols (they are pink-red in colour) so it is a necessary article.
what do you think?
one question: what is the legal difference between Fiskalnaya and Gerbovaya marki and are they both equivalent to Revenue stamp? BigSteve ( talk) 13:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
Maybe this will help. As I understand it, the terms "revenue stamp" and "fiscal stamp" are synonymous. I think the term "duty stamp" is pretty rare, at least in the United States. There seem to be two general sub-categories of revenue stamps: The first is a "documentary stamp" which typically is attached to a legal document (deed, bond, stock transfer, etc.) to show that a tax has been paid. The second is a "proprietary stamp" , which is attached to an object or product that is subject to tax such as playing cards, tobacco or liquor. These terms are so defined in R. Scott Carleton, The International Encyclopaedic Dictionary of Philately, and are also used in Scott's Specialized US Catalog. I don't see any other categories used in Forbin, Catalogue de Timbres-Fiscaux, at least for US revenues. I'm not sure, however, that all revenue stamps can neatly fit into these categories. Some US revenues, for example, could be used either on documents or products. Ecphora ( talk) 23:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
ps. i am considering re-adding the link to bg:gerbova marka to this article for the following reason: i have been unable to find any generic name in the BG Lang that includes all types of revenue stamps, and the only article name i can think of for a BG article equivalent to this one would be something crude-sounding like danachni tsenni knigi ("taxation securities") which would be incorrect and un-encyclopedic. unfortunately there is no Bulgarian WikiProject on any related subject where i can discuss this... ( bg portals; bg projects) BigSteve ( talk) 16:39, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
The suggested question has been asked on the WikiProject pages for Economics, Taxation, Finance and Philately, and users have been invited to provide their answers here - kindly awaiting your replies! BigSteve ( talk) 13:26, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
I don't get how the stamps are used to collect taxes. Are they placed directly onto the products and paid at time of purchase? Please answer in the article as well as here. -- Jeiki Rebirth ( talk) 02:29, 26 June 2009 (UTC)
It seems like postage stamps are a kind of revenue stamp used to tax mail. Are postage stamps considered a type of revenue stamp? If not, why not? 138.16.18.24 ( talk) 01:02, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Revenue stamp/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
==WP Tax Class==
Start class bec it needs expansion and more references. Good use of graphics though so with expansion this article would definitely have potential to go much higher. EECavazos 17:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC) ==WP Tax Priority== Low priority because the article is on the stamp rather than the tax itself. EECavazos 17:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC) |
Last edited at 17:20, 11 November 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 04:14, 30 April 2016 (UTC)