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I think the Filipino casualties section of the infobox should be changed. The estimate of one million civilian casualties isn't supported by most sources and those high estimates are said to have resulted from misreading of sources. 2600:4040:9E16:3200:C0F1:70A0:FCF4:F79E ( talk) 00:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
As of the time I have been writing this there have been multiple attempts to list William McKinley as a U.S. commander in this war. I feel that this is not the appropriate commander since the scale/stakes of this war are not high enough to have the president as top commander. The Philippines were an unrecognized state and seen as a rebellion by the U.S. at the time. The page for the Indian Mutiny, for example, does not list Queen Victoria as a top British commander. I feel as if Taft is the more appropriate civilian commander for this conflict as he was governor-general of the Philippines. Also as I have stated earlier, Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson were also presidents during this war, so if McKinley should be put in the commanders section then so should the other three. 2600:4040:9E16:3200:A90B:4B5:2B91:7008 ( talk) 19:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
(added) I see that MOS:INFOBOXUSE
(added) The WP guideline section WP:INFOBOXUSE says, "Each infobox type should have documentation giving instruction on how each part/field may be used." {{ infobox military conflict}} does have such documentation. That same MOS section says, "Like navigation templates, infoboxes should avoid flag icons. For more information about flag icons, see MOS:FLAG." Clearly, this article flouts that. Despite having proposed action above, I don't currently plan on any action regarding this myself. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
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StateDept
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Although Americans have historically used the term 'the Philippine Insurrection', Filipinos and an increasing number of American historians refer to these hostilities as the Philippine-American War (1899鈥1902), and in 1999 the U.S. Library of Congress reclassified its references to use this term.(Archived content; Information released online from January 20, 2009 to January 20, 2017)
Going by WP:LEAD and the current content in that section and the article body here, the Moro Rebellion is part of the Aftermath. It does overlap the war period very slightly date-wise but, aside from that, that conflict was between the rebels and the post-war Insular Government of the Philippine Islands.
I'm not sure re the Republic of Zamboanga but I think that any relevance mentioned should be clarified and supported. What was the connection, if any, of Vincente Alvarez with the Philippine Republic?
I've moved Arthur MacArthur Jr. down in the infobox list of U.S. commanders to better reflect his role during the period of this war. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The Moro Rebellion (1901-1913) occurred after the conclusion of the Philippine-American War and involved sporadic confrontations between the Muslim Filipinos living in the southern part of the Philippines and the American soldiers there to oversee the transition from Spanish rule to U.S. oversight.
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StateDept
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Although Americans have historically used the term 'the Philippine Insurrection', Filipinos and an increasing number of American historians refer to these hostilities as the Philippine-American War (1899鈥1902), and in 1999 the U.S. Library of Congress reclassified its references to use this term.(Archived content; Information released online from January 20, 2009 to January 20, 2017)
In this edit, I added a bit and linked this image of Aguinaldo's August 3, 1900 decree. The text in the image is handwritten in the English language. I would like to include a transcription of the text either on the image page or in this article (preferably the former), but I haven't been able to read it all. I could ask for help with this in several places but, of those, I'm guessing that this is probably the one most likely to produce results. Most of the text is pretty readable, but there are a few places where neither myself nor my wife could make it out. We had saved a rough partial transcription, but that seems to have been lost. Help here would be appreciated. 17:59, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Both the de-facto and de-jure situations re the continuance of the Philippine Republic government following Aguinaldo's capture need clarification here and in other articles. I have added some content at a point where such info needs mention in this edit about that, but this content probably contradicts other related material here and in other articles. This needs further editorial work with WP:DUE, WP:V in mind, probably starting with the insertion of Contradictory inline and {{ Contradicts other}} templates at appropriate points in this and other articles. I wish I had the time and the available sources to dig further into this now, but I don't. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Note that my attempted citation of "Binay seeks help from historians for overlooking Malvar as 2nd RP president". taga-ilog-news. October 24, 2011., which I found cited regarding this in anothr article, was rejected by an edit filter. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I see in Villegas, Bernard (n.d.). "Revisiting the Philippine-American War". an assertion saying, "Based on the succession decrees that Aguinaldo himself issued, General Malvar would take the presidency of the republic", supported there by quotes apparently taken from Abaya, D.; Karganilla, B.L.M.; Villegas, E.M. (1998). Miguel Malvar and the Philippine Revolution: A Biography. Miguel Malvar (MM) Productions..
From the U.S. perspective on the ending date of the war, I see
"The Philippine-American War, 1899鈥1902". Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State. n.d. President Theodore Roosevelt proclaimed a general amnesty and declared the conflict over on July 4, 1902, although minor uprisings and insurrections against American rule periodically occurred in the years that followed.
Wtmitchell
(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
There have lately been a number of edits to the article adding and removing content related to this subtopic and arguing in edit summaries about what sources provide acceptable support and what do not. That should be sorted out in discussion here -- not by edit war article revisions.
I haven't dug into this much myself and I'm limited to online sources, but I may see what I can find as time allows. A quick google today did turn up this book, described there as "Angel Velasco Shaw, Luis H. Francia NYU Press, 2002 - History - 468 pages". The section titled A CLASH OF INTERESTS: German and American Territorial Ambitions beginning on page 23 seems to have some topically relevant information that might be citeable in support of article assertions on this subtopic. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)
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I think the Filipino casualties section of the infobox should be changed. The estimate of one million civilian casualties isn't supported by most sources and those high estimates are said to have resulted from misreading of sources. 2600:4040:9E16:3200:C0F1:70A0:FCF4:F79E ( talk) 00:14, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
As of the time I have been writing this there have been multiple attempts to list William McKinley as a U.S. commander in this war. I feel that this is not the appropriate commander since the scale/stakes of this war are not high enough to have the president as top commander. The Philippines were an unrecognized state and seen as a rebellion by the U.S. at the time. The page for the Indian Mutiny, for example, does not list Queen Victoria as a top British commander. I feel as if Taft is the more appropriate civilian commander for this conflict as he was governor-general of the Philippines. Also as I have stated earlier, Roosevelt, Taft, and Wilson were also presidents during this war, so if McKinley should be put in the commanders section then so should the other three. 2600:4040:9E16:3200:A90B:4B5:2B91:7008 ( talk) 19:38, 16 July 2023 (UTC)
(added) I see that MOS:INFOBOXUSE
(added) The WP guideline section WP:INFOBOXUSE says, "Each infobox type should have documentation giving instruction on how each part/field may be used." {{ infobox military conflict}} does have such documentation. That same MOS section says, "Like navigation templates, infoboxes should avoid flag icons. For more information about flag icons, see MOS:FLAG." Clearly, this article flouts that. Despite having proposed action above, I don't currently plan on any action regarding this myself. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:59, 23 July 2023 (UTC)
References
StateDept
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Although Americans have historically used the term 'the Philippine Insurrection', Filipinos and an increasing number of American historians refer to these hostilities as the Philippine-American War (1899鈥1902), and in 1999 the U.S. Library of Congress reclassified its references to use this term.(Archived content; Information released online from January 20, 2009 to January 20, 2017)
Going by WP:LEAD and the current content in that section and the article body here, the Moro Rebellion is part of the Aftermath. It does overlap the war period very slightly date-wise but, aside from that, that conflict was between the rebels and the post-war Insular Government of the Philippine Islands.
I'm not sure re the Republic of Zamboanga but I think that any relevance mentioned should be clarified and supported. What was the connection, if any, of Vincente Alvarez with the Philippine Republic?
I've moved Arthur MacArthur Jr. down in the infobox list of U.S. commanders to better reflect his role during the period of this war. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:31, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
The Moro Rebellion (1901-1913) occurred after the conclusion of the Philippine-American War and involved sporadic confrontations between the Muslim Filipinos living in the southern part of the Philippines and the American soldiers there to oversee the transition from Spanish rule to U.S. oversight.
References
StateDept
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).Although Americans have historically used the term 'the Philippine Insurrection', Filipinos and an increasing number of American historians refer to these hostilities as the Philippine-American War (1899鈥1902), and in 1999 the U.S. Library of Congress reclassified its references to use this term.(Archived content; Information released online from January 20, 2009 to January 20, 2017)
In this edit, I added a bit and linked this image of Aguinaldo's August 3, 1900 decree. The text in the image is handwritten in the English language. I would like to include a transcription of the text either on the image page or in this article (preferably the former), but I haven't been able to read it all. I could ask for help with this in several places but, of those, I'm guessing that this is probably the one most likely to produce results. Most of the text is pretty readable, but there are a few places where neither myself nor my wife could make it out. We had saved a rough partial transcription, but that seems to have been lost. Help here would be appreciated. 17:59, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Both the de-facto and de-jure situations re the continuance of the Philippine Republic government following Aguinaldo's capture need clarification here and in other articles. I have added some content at a point where such info needs mention in this edit about that, but this content probably contradicts other related material here and in other articles. This needs further editorial work with WP:DUE, WP:V in mind, probably starting with the insertion of Contradictory inline and {{ Contradicts other}} templates at appropriate points in this and other articles. I wish I had the time and the available sources to dig further into this now, but I don't. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
Note that my attempted citation of "Binay seeks help from historians for overlooking Malvar as 2nd RP president". taga-ilog-news. October 24, 2011., which I found cited regarding this in anothr article, was rejected by an edit filter. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 13:50, 21 August 2023 (UTC)
I see in Villegas, Bernard (n.d.). "Revisiting the Philippine-American War". an assertion saying, "Based on the succession decrees that Aguinaldo himself issued, General Malvar would take the presidency of the republic", supported there by quotes apparently taken from Abaya, D.; Karganilla, B.L.M.; Villegas, E.M. (1998). Miguel Malvar and the Philippine Revolution: A Biography. Miguel Malvar (MM) Productions..
From the U.S. perspective on the ending date of the war, I see
"The Philippine-American War, 1899鈥1902". Office of the Historian, U.S. Department of State. n.d. President Theodore Roosevelt proclaimed a general amnesty and declared the conflict over on July 4, 1902, although minor uprisings and insurrections against American rule periodically occurred in the years that followed.
Wtmitchell
(talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 12:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
There have lately been a number of edits to the article adding and removing content related to this subtopic and arguing in edit summaries about what sources provide acceptable support and what do not. That should be sorted out in discussion here -- not by edit war article revisions.
I haven't dug into this much myself and I'm limited to online sources, but I may see what I can find as time allows. A quick google today did turn up this book, described there as "Angel Velasco Shaw, Luis H. Francia NYU Press, 2002 - History - 468 pages". The section titled A CLASH OF INTERESTS: German and American Territorial Ambitions beginning on page 23 seems to have some topically relevant information that might be citeable in support of article assertions on this subtopic. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)