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The article seems very well written, but where are the references? Hajji Piruz 14:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The pre-War boundaries were reinstated after the war. The Khazars did not stay to occupy the land, they left, alhtough the Khazar king did get taxes from the area, even after he left. Hajji Piruz 20:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Could you please explain why you reverted my edits to Third Perso-Turkic War and called them political agenda? The English spelling of the name of Caucasian Albania is Caucasian Albania, however you reverted the article back to spelling of Aghvania, which is not accepted in English language. We have an article on Caucasian Albania, which you may wish to check. Also, the ethnicity of Moses of Kalankatuyk is not known, some think that he was Albanian, others that he was Armenian. I don’t think that we should assume positions, we should report them. Please see this quote from prominent scholar K.V.Trever:
На армянском языке написан первый и единственный труд, посвященный истории Албании, - "История Албании" Моисея Каланкатуйского (Мосес Каланкатваци). Труд этот дошел до нас в нескольких списках и состоит из трех частей; он упоминается армянскими писателями XII--XIII вв. Автор, уроженец сел. Каланкатуйк в области Утик, был по происхождению либо утийцем (албаном), писавшим на армянском языке, либо армянином, что весьма возможно, так как в этот период Арцах и большая часть Утика были уже арменизованы.
К.В. Тревер. ОЧЕРКИ ПО ИСТОРИИ И КУЛЬТУРЕ КАВКАЗСКОЙ АЛБАНИИ IV В. ДО Н. Э. - VII В. Н. Э. (источники и литература) -- изданиe Академии наук СССР, М.-Л., 1959. Thanks. Grandmaster 11:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
There are at least three clear indications within:
Ghirla, note also that the infobox lists Heraclius as another commander :) -- Brand спойт 14:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Presumably Andreas... AnonMoos 22:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I did the GA review for the article. Findings:
Passing GA. Added the article to Wikipedia:Good_articles under "Conflicts, battles and military exercises". ---- Drieakko 12:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I fixed a minor mistake that had messed up the references. Although the article passes, a source should be added for the quote ""With their swords raised, they advanced on the walls, and all this multitude, climbing upon each other's shoulders, rose up the walls. A black shadow fell upon the wobegone citizens; they were vanquished and lost their ground", Movses narrates." If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 07:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Transcaucasia was part of persian empire but conquered by Turks in 3rd perso-Turkic war. and ruled by Turks until Arabs. so, I changed battle result from Indecisive to Turko-Byzantine victory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad ( talk • contribs) 14:21, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I post pre-war and after-war maps of Transcaucasia. Transcaucasia was part of sassanids then became part of Turkic Khaganate. also you keep adding iranian sources to this page. this page needs impartial sources not Kaveh Farrokh's books. BöriShad ( talk) 11:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)Böri Shad
I am not a nationalist, please stop doing these edits if you don't have any source and watch your language. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Take a look on the Muslim conquest of Persia, it says that Armenia and Caucasian Albania was part of the Sasanian Empire and shows sources when they were lost. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Where? does it show sources on the information? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Where does it say that on the article? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
According to this: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/sasanian-dynasty which shows readable information unlike your source, says that The Khazars were ravaging the northwest provinces, and it does not say that they conquered the northwest provinces, meaning that i am right. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
On what title can i find the information? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
What? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I just downloaded the pdf and i did not see any title saying Arabs, and all of the information is about the Shaddadids and Saladin, not about the Sassanids. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 13:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I have found another sources which confirms that Azerbaijan and Eastern Armenia was under Sassanid control, take a look here and go page 20: http://books.google.dk/books?id=hvx9jq_2L3EC&printsec=frontcover&dq=cambridge+history+of+iran+arab+invasion&hl=da&sa=X&ei=lTrxUYjUKoak0QWPkoGwCw&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=cambridge%20history%20of%20iran%20arab%20invasion&f=false
Go to the Muslim conquest of Persia article and then take a look at the Conquest of Armenia title and the Conquest of Azerbaijan title, it shows sources when they were conquered.
And don't forget this one: According to this: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/sasanian-dynasty, The Khazars were ravaging the northwest provinces, and it does not say that they conquered the northwest provinces, -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Why did you show me that link? it doesn't show anything, and it don't matter what ethnicity the historian is, it matters if the sources is reliable or not, and the sources i showed are reliable, too bad for you. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
And here is also another source i found: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/khosrow-ii The Sasanians’ bargaining position improved when the Turks unexpectedly withdrew of their own accord from Transcaucasia in 629, but this was more than outweighed by domestic political instability. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
It is actually a reliable source, what is your problem against Iranians? first you call me an Iranian nationalist and then you say that these sources aren't reliable because they are Iranian, you shouldn't really talk about reliable sources because some time ago you thought that a fan-made map counted as a reliable source. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 13:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
You are free to add the sources, but don't remove what i have added. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Sigh, you are hopeless, i will let the admins deal with you, and do yourself a favor and read the Wikipedia rules. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
It is not about who wins, it is about what is the truth, well it is like that for me, i don't know about the other guy, and i have already stopped editing if you didn't read my comment up above. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Just made a Dispute resolution noticeboard, now we just have to wait. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
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The article seems very well written, but where are the references? Hajji Piruz 14:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
The pre-War boundaries were reinstated after the war. The Khazars did not stay to occupy the land, they left, alhtough the Khazar king did get taxes from the area, even after he left. Hajji Piruz 20:23, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Could you please explain why you reverted my edits to Third Perso-Turkic War and called them political agenda? The English spelling of the name of Caucasian Albania is Caucasian Albania, however you reverted the article back to spelling of Aghvania, which is not accepted in English language. We have an article on Caucasian Albania, which you may wish to check. Also, the ethnicity of Moses of Kalankatuyk is not known, some think that he was Albanian, others that he was Armenian. I don’t think that we should assume positions, we should report them. Please see this quote from prominent scholar K.V.Trever:
На армянском языке написан первый и единственный труд, посвященный истории Албании, - "История Албании" Моисея Каланкатуйского (Мосес Каланкатваци). Труд этот дошел до нас в нескольких списках и состоит из трех частей; он упоминается армянскими писателями XII--XIII вв. Автор, уроженец сел. Каланкатуйк в области Утик, был по происхождению либо утийцем (албаном), писавшим на армянском языке, либо армянином, что весьма возможно, так как в этот период Арцах и большая часть Утика были уже арменизованы.
К.В. Тревер. ОЧЕРКИ ПО ИСТОРИИ И КУЛЬТУРЕ КАВКАЗСКОЙ АЛБАНИИ IV В. ДО Н. Э. - VII В. Н. Э. (источники и литература) -- изданиe Академии наук СССР, М.-Л., 1959. Thanks. Grandmaster 11:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
There are at least three clear indications within:
Ghirla, note also that the infobox lists Heraclius as another commander :) -- Brand спойт 14:22, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Presumably Andreas... AnonMoos 22:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
I did the GA review for the article. Findings:
Passing GA. Added the article to Wikipedia:Good_articles under "Conflicts, battles and military exercises". ---- Drieakko 12:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
As part of the WikiProject Good Articles, we're doing sweeps to go over all of the current GAs and see if they still meet the requirements of the GA criteria. I'm specifically going over all of the "Conflicts, battles and military exercises" articles. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. I fixed a minor mistake that had messed up the references. Although the article passes, a source should be added for the quote ""With their swords raised, they advanced on the walls, and all this multitude, climbing upon each other's shoulders, rose up the walls. A black shadow fell upon the wobegone citizens; they were vanquished and lost their ground", Movses narrates." If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. I have edited the article history to reflect this review. Happy editing! -- Nehrams2020 07:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
Transcaucasia was part of persian empire but conquered by Turks in 3rd perso-Turkic war. and ruled by Turks until Arabs. so, I changed battle result from Indecisive to Turko-Byzantine victory. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BöriShad ( talk • contribs) 14:21, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
I post pre-war and after-war maps of Transcaucasia. Transcaucasia was part of sassanids then became part of Turkic Khaganate. also you keep adding iranian sources to this page. this page needs impartial sources not Kaveh Farrokh's books. BöriShad ( talk) 11:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)Böri Shad
I am not a nationalist, please stop doing these edits if you don't have any source and watch your language. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Take a look on the Muslim conquest of Persia, it says that Armenia and Caucasian Albania was part of the Sasanian Empire and shows sources when they were lost. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:27, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Where? does it show sources on the information? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:36, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Where does it say that on the article? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 11:39, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
According to this: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/sasanian-dynasty which shows readable information unlike your source, says that The Khazars were ravaging the northwest provinces, and it does not say that they conquered the northwest provinces, meaning that i am right. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:15, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
On what title can i find the information? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
What? -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 12:41, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I just downloaded the pdf and i did not see any title saying Arabs, and all of the information is about the Shaddadids and Saladin, not about the Sassanids. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 13:11, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
I have found another sources which confirms that Azerbaijan and Eastern Armenia was under Sassanid control, take a look here and go page 20: http://books.google.dk/books?id=hvx9jq_2L3EC&printsec=frontcover&dq=cambridge+history+of+iran+arab+invasion&hl=da&sa=X&ei=lTrxUYjUKoak0QWPkoGwCw&ved=0CFQQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=cambridge%20history%20of%20iran%20arab%20invasion&f=false
Go to the Muslim conquest of Persia article and then take a look at the Conquest of Armenia title and the Conquest of Azerbaijan title, it shows sources when they were conquered.
And don't forget this one: According to this: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/sasanian-dynasty, The Khazars were ravaging the northwest provinces, and it does not say that they conquered the northwest provinces, -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:55, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
Why did you show me that link? it doesn't show anything, and it don't matter what ethnicity the historian is, it matters if the sources is reliable or not, and the sources i showed are reliable, too bad for you. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:09, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
And here is also another source i found: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/khosrow-ii The Sasanians’ bargaining position improved when the Turks unexpectedly withdrew of their own accord from Transcaucasia in 629, but this was more than outweighed by domestic political instability. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 10:27, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
It is actually a reliable source, what is your problem against Iranians? first you call me an Iranian nationalist and then you say that these sources aren't reliable because they are Iranian, you shouldn't really talk about reliable sources because some time ago you thought that a fan-made map counted as a reliable source. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 13:44, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
You are free to add the sources, but don't remove what i have added. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Sigh, you are hopeless, i will let the admins deal with you, and do yourself a favor and read the Wikipedia rules. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:12, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
It is not about who wins, it is about what is the truth, well it is like that for me, i don't know about the other guy, and i have already stopped editing if you didn't read my comment up above. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 14:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
Just made a Dispute resolution noticeboard, now we just have to wait. -- HistoryofIran ( talk) 15:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:First Perso-Turkic War which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 15:47, 9 October 2023 (UTC)