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The treatment of this issue is looking dated. I can't imagine that the uncited proposition that "Most of the Perries or ciders available for sale in the United States are imported from England" can possibly still be true (if indeed it was true at the time of writing). Threepwolfe ( talk) 19:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Crispin is a major US producer and not enough attention is paid to perry/pear cider in the US. I am from Pennsylvania and think that eastern Long Island would be great for the British cultivars from a climatic standpoint. Heff01 ( talk) 08:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
East end of Long Island---Hardiness zone 7B North Fork--- Oceanic climate South Fork--- Humid subtropical climate Temperance of heat as well. Heff01 ( talk) 08:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
ACE (California Cider Company) sells a perry. They claim it is the first perry to be created in California. But I can't find information regarding this other than their own website. --- Rev. Mik McAllister ( talk) 06:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
As the CAMRA definition is in quotes, and CAMRA is a British organisation, I have changed the spelling to British English Monique34 13:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The lede to this article claims pear cider is not the same as perry, but the section "pear cider" says that it is.
Which is right? -- LondonStatto ( talk) 04:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
What makes a perry "light"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.112.116 ( talk) 12:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a long-standing suggestion to merge pear scrumpy into here. Shall we just do that? Any objections? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:37, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Oxford dictionaries website 2015:06:24 Definition Perry "An alcoholic drink made from the fermented juice of pears."
OED, my own copy, first recorded 1315.
"Certainly CAMRA cannot simply decide that Perry means something more specific so as to narrow its definition"
CAMRA are merely using the term correctly, in accordance with the supreme authority on the English Language.
The people bastardising the definition are the mass producers, and they are doing for, well, er, profit. Adding some pear flavouring, to some inferior cider, ensuring that the difference in taste is disguised by serving it frozen, at eye watering prices. And lying in their adverts, which the current article resembles closely.
Sorry the OED trumps every other source. If no-one objects I shall remove the whole pear cider section. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 11:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Objection noted. The following is based on UK usage alone; this of course is not following the Wikipedia model. Perry is an alcoholic drink made from fermented pear juice, alone: Sources OED CAMRA.
Perry, real perry, is very expensive and available in limited quantities because there are few real perry trees. The trees are also slow growing.
The huge increase in sales , 24X, per the current lead in the article, has been achieved by not supplying perry. Because for reasons already stated the quantity of raw material is simply not available. It has been achieved by the re-defining perry by those who have a solely commercial reason for so-doing. The manufacture of a product whose tenuous connection with perry is that they have a photograph of a pear in the factories in which it is produced.
"Pear cider" has in recent years been used as an alternative name to perry" States the current article. By people who have a vested, commercial, interest in pretending that the two are the same. Not by anyone else.
As I stated above "perry" has been used with its original definition, in English for 700 years. "Pear cider" for 20 years.
These manufacturers also sell an "alcohol free" pear cider, demonstrating their allegiance is to the £££££, not the authenticity of the product.
In view of your objection my proposal is 1) Create a new article, entitled "Pear Cider" which describes this product. 2) Add to the "Perry" article a "see also pear-cider", remove all other references to this ersatz product. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 16:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
You did not question my statement that in English the OED is the supreme authority. The OED definition of pear cider is "perry", adulterating materials not included. So the pear-cider being sold is simply not perry and should be somewhere else in Wikipedia. I still think the article resembles an advert for pear cider. "My focus to the reader" is accuracy. Has accuracy disappeared from the criteria while I was doing something else? AnnaComnemna ( talk) 16:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Given this is an article about an alcoholic beverage, it seems odd there's no mention of how much alcohol it typically (or may) contain. Especially as perry is apparently sought out for its low cost for the alcohol [1]. quota ( talk) 08:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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I am a student and will be adding to the Perry Fruit section of this article. Topics being added include information on the origin of pears and perry pears, growth and cultivation of perry pears, difficulties with perry pear growing, and perry pear physical and chemical qualities Mh853 ( talk) 16:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I am also a student working with the user above on this wikipedia article project. ArcadiYay ( talk) 17:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no agreement to change the current setup at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 03:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
– I don't believe the drink is the primary topic. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. DannyS712 ( talk) 21:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Svejk74 ( talk) 10:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I get that they're a fairly notable organization in the UK, but this excessive focus on CAMRA's opinion really throws off this article's worldwide scope. And also their complaints seem only to be relevant in the UK anyway; note how many times it's mentioned that the concentrated pear juice used for commercial "pear cider" is imported. That's totally irrelevant when Perry is not just a British drink at all, and when this article is supposed to be about the drink everywhere. At the least it needs a worldwide focus tag. oknazevad ( talk) 23:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there a Dutch liqueur similar to limoncello, but made with pears, which is called perenlikeur? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 19:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed this and found it very odd, as the anthroponymy articles are so glaringly more relevant as a whole. There was an early comment in the previous move discussion that said that "a good Perry" was a good Google Books search, and others also concurred, but I think that's a search that is really prejudiced against people's names, because that's simply not a phrase that is commonly used for people. If you do e.g. a Books search for "a good Churchill" you get a very fuzzy picture that significantly differs from what we chose for Churchill - regardless of whether we'd expect to see a good Winston there, or a good tank, or whatever. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 11:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
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The treatment of this issue is looking dated. I can't imagine that the uncited proposition that "Most of the Perries or ciders available for sale in the United States are imported from England" can possibly still be true (if indeed it was true at the time of writing). Threepwolfe ( talk) 19:59, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
Crispin is a major US producer and not enough attention is paid to perry/pear cider in the US. I am from Pennsylvania and think that eastern Long Island would be great for the British cultivars from a climatic standpoint. Heff01 ( talk) 08:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
East end of Long Island---Hardiness zone 7B North Fork--- Oceanic climate South Fork--- Humid subtropical climate Temperance of heat as well. Heff01 ( talk) 08:26, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
ACE (California Cider Company) sells a perry. They claim it is the first perry to be created in California. But I can't find information regarding this other than their own website. --- Rev. Mik McAllister ( talk) 06:18, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
As the CAMRA definition is in quotes, and CAMRA is a British organisation, I have changed the spelling to British English Monique34 13:35, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
The lede to this article claims pear cider is not the same as perry, but the section "pear cider" says that it is.
Which is right? -- LondonStatto ( talk) 04:34, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
What makes a perry "light"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.112.116 ( talk) 12:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
There's a long-standing suggestion to merge pear scrumpy into here. Shall we just do that? Any objections? Bondegezou ( talk) 15:37, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Oxford dictionaries website 2015:06:24 Definition Perry "An alcoholic drink made from the fermented juice of pears."
OED, my own copy, first recorded 1315.
"Certainly CAMRA cannot simply decide that Perry means something more specific so as to narrow its definition"
CAMRA are merely using the term correctly, in accordance with the supreme authority on the English Language.
The people bastardising the definition are the mass producers, and they are doing for, well, er, profit. Adding some pear flavouring, to some inferior cider, ensuring that the difference in taste is disguised by serving it frozen, at eye watering prices. And lying in their adverts, which the current article resembles closely.
Sorry the OED trumps every other source. If no-one objects I shall remove the whole pear cider section. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 11:44, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
Objection noted. The following is based on UK usage alone; this of course is not following the Wikipedia model. Perry is an alcoholic drink made from fermented pear juice, alone: Sources OED CAMRA.
Perry, real perry, is very expensive and available in limited quantities because there are few real perry trees. The trees are also slow growing.
The huge increase in sales , 24X, per the current lead in the article, has been achieved by not supplying perry. Because for reasons already stated the quantity of raw material is simply not available. It has been achieved by the re-defining perry by those who have a solely commercial reason for so-doing. The manufacture of a product whose tenuous connection with perry is that they have a photograph of a pear in the factories in which it is produced.
"Pear cider" has in recent years been used as an alternative name to perry" States the current article. By people who have a vested, commercial, interest in pretending that the two are the same. Not by anyone else.
As I stated above "perry" has been used with its original definition, in English for 700 years. "Pear cider" for 20 years.
These manufacturers also sell an "alcohol free" pear cider, demonstrating their allegiance is to the £££££, not the authenticity of the product.
In view of your objection my proposal is 1) Create a new article, entitled "Pear Cider" which describes this product. 2) Add to the "Perry" article a "see also pear-cider", remove all other references to this ersatz product. AnnaComnemna ( talk) 16:10, 30 June 2015 (UTC)
You did not question my statement that in English the OED is the supreme authority. The OED definition of pear cider is "perry", adulterating materials not included. So the pear-cider being sold is simply not perry and should be somewhere else in Wikipedia. I still think the article resembles an advert for pear cider. "My focus to the reader" is accuracy. Has accuracy disappeared from the criteria while I was doing something else? AnnaComnemna ( talk) 16:20, 1 July 2015 (UTC)
Given this is an article about an alcoholic beverage, it seems odd there's no mention of how much alcohol it typically (or may) contain. Especially as perry is apparently sought out for its low cost for the alcohol [1]. quota ( talk) 08:08, 6 October 2016 (UTC)
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I am a student and will be adding to the Perry Fruit section of this article. Topics being added include information on the origin of pears and perry pears, growth and cultivation of perry pears, difficulties with perry pear growing, and perry pear physical and chemical qualities Mh853 ( talk) 16:25, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
I am also a student working with the user above on this wikipedia article project. ArcadiYay ( talk) 17:04, 12 May 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no agreement to change the current setup at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasu よ! 03:49, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
– I don't believe the drink is the primary topic. Clarityfiend ( talk) 08:47, 25 January 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. DannyS712 ( talk) 21:03, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
Svejk74 ( talk) 10:39, 26 January 2019 (UTC)
I get that they're a fairly notable organization in the UK, but this excessive focus on CAMRA's opinion really throws off this article's worldwide scope. And also their complaints seem only to be relevant in the UK anyway; note how many times it's mentioned that the concentrated pear juice used for commercial "pear cider" is imported. That's totally irrelevant when Perry is not just a British drink at all, and when this article is supposed to be about the drink everywhere. At the least it needs a worldwide focus tag. oknazevad ( talk) 23:11, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
Is there a Dutch liqueur similar to limoncello, but made with pears, which is called perenlikeur? 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 19:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
I've noticed this and found it very odd, as the anthroponymy articles are so glaringly more relevant as a whole. There was an early comment in the previous move discussion that said that "a good Perry" was a good Google Books search, and others also concurred, but I think that's a search that is really prejudiced against people's names, because that's simply not a phrase that is commonly used for people. If you do e.g. a Books search for "a good Churchill" you get a very fuzzy picture that significantly differs from what we chose for Churchill - regardless of whether we'd expect to see a good Winston there, or a good tank, or whatever. -- Joy [shallot] ( talk) 11:10, 9 January 2022 (UTC)