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Change request: "(Macedonia before February 2019)" to "(Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia before February 2019).
Reason: North Macedonia was never officially recognised as "Macedonia", it was recognised as the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" by the United Nations. It is therefore factually incorrect to claim that North Macedonia was known as "Macedonia" before Feb. 2019. Odysseas2001 ( talk) 01:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
In historical contexts referring to events between 1992 and 2019, Wikipedia articles will continue to refer to the country by its then-current official name, i.e. "(Republic of) Macedonia"…The term former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or any of its abbreviations will not be used.Vladimir.copic ( talk) 11:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
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UPDATE General population:
The Albanians in North Macedonia are the second largest ethnic group , from 2,097,319 total population (including diaspora) in the 2021 census 29.52%, or 619,187 are Albanians.
Во вкупно попишаното население, 54.21 % се изјасниле како Македонци, 29.52 % како Албанци, 3.98 % како Турци, 2.34 % како Роми, 1.18 % како Срби, 0.87 % како Бошњаци и 0.44 % како Власи.
https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=146 TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 20:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes but diaspora includes people who work abroad for 3 - 2- 1 months and then return home, with impossibility to participated in person , they participated online in the census, like i did. TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 11:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
When i participated online in this census i was in swiss, now i live and work in North Macedonia, but according to your logic i’m part of diaspora? TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 22:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC) Most probably you lie. But it is not important, you were not there at the moment of the census in 2021. Maybe you returned, but maybe somebody else left MK?
North Macedonia is in southwestern Europe!!! 2603:6080:A502:1C93:E1F1:DF35:625B:D0A8 ( talk) 21:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
One question: Why Albanian and Macedonian languages are listed as official? Why no one mentioned that the language spoken is 90% match with BULGARIAN and original language of the land? Absolutely unacceptable! "Macedonian" is a Dialect of Bulgarian 158.58.199.130 ( talk) 06:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 8 § REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Vipz ( talk) 10:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
The word Северна/Severna denotes an adjective. Savasampion ( talk) 20:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
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In the intro section, please change "(Macedonia before February 2019)" to "(Macedonia between 1944 and 2019)" taking into account:
Is it of utmost importance to mention in the second sentence that North Macedonia is one of the successor states of Yugoslavia? This is in contrast to other successor states' introductory parts on Wikipedia. It may somehow wrongly suggest as if North Macedonia's independence is a special case as compared to other ex-Yugoslav states. Even more, there's no similar mentioning in Montenegro's introduction, although it became independent years later.
Second thing, the following part "The country became a member of the United Nations in April 1993, but as a result of a dispute with Greece over the name "Macedonia", it was admitted under the provisional description "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (abbreviated as "FYR Macedonia" or "FYROM")" is not entirely correct. Under UN, there were no abbreviations allowed; and alphabetically the country was always positioned according to the "t" letter of the provisional name. "FYR Macedonia" and "FYROM", or even other derivations were only used by some organizations. I find it absolutely unnecessary to mention any abbreviations as it would entail saying that other organizations or countries continued to refer to the country under its constitutional name - a rather complex matter for the introductory part.
I would suggest a more clutter-free introduction as follows:
"...which it remained until its peaceful secession in 1991. As a result of a dispute over its name with Greece, the United Nations had used a provisional reference until 2019, when the parties signed the Prespa agreement."
The UN membership is inferred implicitly in the above example, and confirmed in the last existing paragraph. Klukajdrvec ( talk) 13:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
It adds a lot of empty space on the article between paragraphs and thus should be removed or changed. Ty. — Sadko (words are wind) 05:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
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Change BC to BCE and AD to CE Riley V1.2 ( talk) 08:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the intro, please add that North Macedonia is located in the Balkan peninsula. 2600:100C:A21C:E44E:9CFD:64F3:D2BB:A3AA ( talk) 07:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we currently consider North Macedonia to be the name of the country that came into existance in 1991, and thus North Macedonia and North Macedonian to be the proper way to refer to that country and its residents and nationals at all points from 1991 on? My largest concern is in regards to emigration categories, and since pre-1991 emigrants belong in the Yugoslavia or early country categories, I only need to figure out about 1991 on for that purpose. I am wondering a little if we had a writer who lived in modern North Macedonia from 1945 until and early death in 1985, would it still be best to call that person a North Macedonian writer? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and note this here: the current sourced sentence in the naming section
was at least inaccurate during the existence of the theme of Macedonia. If we keep the part of the sentence about the Byzantine Empire, we have to acknowledge and link to the theme. Sure, it's fine to remove it if the discussion is limited to the Ottoman Empire instead. — LlywelynII 21:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Ismail Strazimiri is listed in Category:Albanians in North Macedonia yet he died in 1943. I think we can confidently say he does not belong in such a category. Even if we were to accept that this category can cover people who were resident in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia within Yugoslavia, I think going back before that was formed in 1944 is a total misuse of the term. Up until the German invasion in 1941, the area of modern North Macedonia and some adjacent areas now in Kosovo and Yugoslavia were in Vardar Banovina. I am going to move Strazimiri into the Albanians in Yugoslavia cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the photos section, I see it says "North Macedonia is located in North Macedonia" It's supposed to say located in Europe. Thought it was funny :) 69.117.68.127 ( talk) 23:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
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field, but I tried filling that in and it forces the label to appear on the map which that table is not happy with.
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Under Politics > Foreign relations, the following sentence is written:
"North Macedonia is a member of the following international and regional organisations:[185] IMF (since 1992), WHO (since 1993), EBRD (since 1993), Central European Initiative (since 1993), Council of Europe (since 1995), OSCE (since 1995), SECI (since 1996), La Francophonie (since 2001), WTO (since 2003), CEFTA (since 2006), NATO (since 2020)."
Prior to "NATO," there should be an "and" because it is the last item in a list.
Change the previous sentence to:
"North Macedonia is a member of the following international and regional organisations:[185] IMF (since 1992), WHO (since 1993), EBRD (since 1993), Central European Initiative (since 1993), Council of Europe (since 1995), OSCE (since 1995), SECI (since 1996), La Francophonie (since 2001), WTO (since 2003), CEFTA (since 2006), and NATO (since 2020)."
Unkeptsecrets ( talk) 21:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Xan747 ( talk) 03:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add coordinates:
{{Coord|42|N|22|E|type:country|display=title}}
Wiki-ircecho ( talk) 09:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
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Change request: "(Macedonia before February 2019)" to "(Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia before February 2019).
Reason: North Macedonia was never officially recognised as "Macedonia", it was recognised as the "Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" by the United Nations. It is therefore factually incorrect to claim that North Macedonia was known as "Macedonia" before Feb. 2019. Odysseas2001 ( talk) 01:31, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
In historical contexts referring to events between 1992 and 2019, Wikipedia articles will continue to refer to the country by its then-current official name, i.e. "(Republic of) Macedonia"…The term former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia or any of its abbreviations will not be used.Vladimir.copic ( talk) 11:47, 14 October 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect TFYRM and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18#TFYRM until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 16:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect TFYR and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 October 18#TFYR until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Joy [shallot] ( talk) 16:24, 18 October 2022 (UTC)
UPDATE General population:
The Albanians in North Macedonia are the second largest ethnic group , from 2,097,319 total population (including diaspora) in the 2021 census 29.52%, or 619,187 are Albanians.
Во вкупно попишаното население, 54.21 % се изјасниле како Македонци, 29.52 % како Албанци, 3.98 % како Турци, 2.34 % како Роми, 1.18 % како Срби, 0.87 % како Бошњаци и 0.44 % како Власи.
https://www.stat.gov.mk/PrikaziSoopstenie.aspx?rbrtxt=146 TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 20:34, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes but diaspora includes people who work abroad for 3 - 2- 1 months and then return home, with impossibility to participated in person , they participated online in the census, like i did. TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 11:07, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
When i participated online in this census i was in swiss, now i live and work in North Macedonia, but according to your logic i’m part of diaspora? TruthMustBeTold1 ( talk) 22:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC) Most probably you lie. But it is not important, you were not there at the moment of the census in 2021. Maybe you returned, but maybe somebody else left MK?
North Macedonia is in southwestern Europe!!! 2603:6080:A502:1C93:E1F1:DF35:625B:D0A8 ( talk) 21:52, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
One question: Why Albanian and Macedonian languages are listed as official? Why no one mentioned that the language spoken is 90% match with BULGARIAN and original language of the land? Absolutely unacceptable! "Macedonian" is a Dialect of Bulgarian 158.58.199.130 ( talk) 06:05, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 January 8 § REPUBLIC OF MACEDONIA until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Vipz ( talk) 10:25, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
The word Северна/Severna denotes an adjective. Savasampion ( talk) 20:46, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
This
edit request to
North Macedonia has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
In the intro section, please change "(Macedonia before February 2019)" to "(Macedonia between 1944 and 2019)" taking into account:
Is it of utmost importance to mention in the second sentence that North Macedonia is one of the successor states of Yugoslavia? This is in contrast to other successor states' introductory parts on Wikipedia. It may somehow wrongly suggest as if North Macedonia's independence is a special case as compared to other ex-Yugoslav states. Even more, there's no similar mentioning in Montenegro's introduction, although it became independent years later.
Second thing, the following part "The country became a member of the United Nations in April 1993, but as a result of a dispute with Greece over the name "Macedonia", it was admitted under the provisional description "the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia" (abbreviated as "FYR Macedonia" or "FYROM")" is not entirely correct. Under UN, there were no abbreviations allowed; and alphabetically the country was always positioned according to the "t" letter of the provisional name. "FYR Macedonia" and "FYROM", or even other derivations were only used by some organizations. I find it absolutely unnecessary to mention any abbreviations as it would entail saying that other organizations or countries continued to refer to the country under its constitutional name - a rather complex matter for the introductory part.
I would suggest a more clutter-free introduction as follows:
"...which it remained until its peaceful secession in 1991. As a result of a dispute over its name with Greece, the United Nations had used a provisional reference until 2019, when the parties signed the Prespa agreement."
The UN membership is inferred implicitly in the above example, and confirmed in the last existing paragraph. Klukajdrvec ( talk) 13:00, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
It adds a lot of empty space on the article between paragraphs and thus should be removed or changed. Ty. — Sadko (words are wind) 05:42, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
This
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Change BC to BCE and AD to CE Riley V1.2 ( talk) 08:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)
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In the intro, please add that North Macedonia is located in the Balkan peninsula. 2600:100C:A21C:E44E:9CFD:64F3:D2BB:A3AA ( talk) 07:51, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Do we currently consider North Macedonia to be the name of the country that came into existance in 1991, and thus North Macedonia and North Macedonian to be the proper way to refer to that country and its residents and nationals at all points from 1991 on? My largest concern is in regards to emigration categories, and since pre-1991 emigrants belong in the Yugoslavia or early country categories, I only need to figure out about 1991 on for that purpose. I am wondering a little if we had a writer who lived in modern North Macedonia from 1945 until and early death in 1985, would it still be best to call that person a North Macedonian writer? John Pack Lambert ( talk) 14:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and note this here: the current sourced sentence in the naming section
was at least inaccurate during the existence of the theme of Macedonia. If we keep the part of the sentence about the Byzantine Empire, we have to acknowledge and link to the theme. Sure, it's fine to remove it if the discussion is limited to the Ottoman Empire instead. — LlywelynII 21:32, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
Ismail Strazimiri is listed in Category:Albanians in North Macedonia yet he died in 1943. I think we can confidently say he does not belong in such a category. Even if we were to accept that this category can cover people who were resident in the Socialist Republic of Macedonia within Yugoslavia, I think going back before that was formed in 1944 is a total misuse of the term. Up until the German invasion in 1941, the area of modern North Macedonia and some adjacent areas now in Kosovo and Yugoslavia were in Vardar Banovina. I am going to move Strazimiri into the Albanians in Yugoslavia cat. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 17:54, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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In the photos section, I see it says "North Macedonia is located in North Macedonia" It's supposed to say located in Europe. Thought it was funny :) 69.117.68.127 ( talk) 23:31, 10 July 2023 (UTC)
label=|
field, but I tried filling that in and it forces the label to appear on the map which that table is not happy with.
CMD (
talk) 15:03, 11 July 2023 (UTC)This
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North Macedonia has been answered. Set the |answered= or |ans= parameter to no to reactivate your request. |
Under Politics > Foreign relations, the following sentence is written:
"North Macedonia is a member of the following international and regional organisations:[185] IMF (since 1992), WHO (since 1993), EBRD (since 1993), Central European Initiative (since 1993), Council of Europe (since 1995), OSCE (since 1995), SECI (since 1996), La Francophonie (since 2001), WTO (since 2003), CEFTA (since 2006), NATO (since 2020)."
Prior to "NATO," there should be an "and" because it is the last item in a list.
Change the previous sentence to:
"North Macedonia is a member of the following international and regional organisations:[185] IMF (since 1992), WHO (since 1993), EBRD (since 1993), Central European Initiative (since 1993), Council of Europe (since 1995), OSCE (since 1995), SECI (since 1996), La Francophonie (since 2001), WTO (since 2003), CEFTA (since 2006), and NATO (since 2020)."
Unkeptsecrets ( talk) 21:56, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
Done Xan747 ( talk) 03:00, 15 July 2023 (UTC)
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Add coordinates:
{{Coord|42|N|22|E|type:country|display=title}}
Wiki-ircecho ( talk) 09:16, 18 August 2023 (UTC)