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I noticed that in the list of drafts it jumps from 2006 to 2008. Is there any reason for this? Where is 2007? Masterhatch 17:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Might just be because whenever that part was last edited, whoever did it already knew the '08 draft will be held in Ottawa. Maybe the place of the 2007 draft wasn't known. Bigdottawa 13:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
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The Player Numbers By League Summary is out of date - hasn't been updated since the 2003 draft. I've put a template up, hopefully it can be fixed. BoojiBoy 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the "draft steal" from Dominik Hasek to Dino Ciccarelli. My reasoning is that I'm not sure that Hasek can be considered a steal - he was a total shot in the dark because he was playing in Czechoslovakia at the time and was not considered likely to defect to the West. I don't think that you can say that the Blackhawks "stole" him merely because the Berlin Wall fell six years later. BoojiBoy 15:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know enough to do it myself, but I think the Lottery should be mentioned in this article TheHYPO 14:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Where was it officially announced that Montreal was hosting the draft in 2009? I see the link to the article on canadiens.com saying that they are BIDDING on the 2009 Draft within the 2009 NHL Entry Draft page, but I find nothing on the internet to support that they are OFFICIALLY hosting it.
Per WP:V, et al, I've removed the entire busts/steals section. Its a wholly unsourced subjective list. Should worthwhile sources emerge, I see nothing wrong in principle with the section returning, but I think it's important not to let it devolve back into another overlong list like the article is unfortunately already saddled with. For those interested in re-adding the section, here's the diff of the lists at the time of my removal. — Lomn 18:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
does anyone know if there any financial compensation to drafted amateurs former minor league teams?
(ie: when Sidney Crosby was drafted to the NHL, did his junior team the Rimouski Océanic receive any financial return?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.95.254 ( talk) 22:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
To most of us, it's probably kind of obvious why the lottery takes place, but it could certainly be covered in some detail. How common was it, for instance, for teams to actually be accused of throwing games for draft purposes? I vaguely recall that this might have been one of the reasons that Eric Lindros didn't want to sign with the Nordiques, but I'm certainly not sure about that... — JAO • T • C 10:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Resolute removed the section Compensatory draft selection here, however the section is referenced and contains useful information, so unless there is a consensus that this section does not belong in this article, I will restore it. Dolovis ( talk) 01:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
The " Eligible Players" section header has the first letter in each word as an upper-case letter. As far as I know, usually only names should be capitalized. Is it correct to capitalize both words? If yes, is there some policy/guideline information I'm missing? Hey Mid ( contribs) 21:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
It's no longer the Entry Draft, as there isn't the Waiver Draft to differentiate from. Can we make this page just the NHL Draft and include the history of the previous time as NHL Entry Draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arusnak ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
The thing which I do not understand is how can teams be trading draft picks if the results (standings) of future seasons as well as the outcome of the respective lottery -- these being the two determining factors for a draft position -- are not known to them? As far as I know, teams are trading specific (eg a No 2 pick) and not just any pick in a future draft. There should be an (obvious) answer to this, it's just I haven't figured it out yet ... Thanks to anyone who is helping me out on this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.33.91.2 ( talk) 13:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for making this clear to me (and so swiftly). In central European leagues, we do not have such a sophisticated system -- or any draft system for that matter -- so it's nice to receive tutorials from people who know. Patrick H. (Austria)... and by the way, Resolute: It seems that you have taken one of the pictures in the article on Alex Plante (in a Calgary Hitmen uniform) who now happens to play for my local team: Dornbirn Bulldogs. It's a small world after all! Patrick H.
It is unnecessary to include a French translation of "Entry Draft" at the start of the English article. It adds nothing to the content of the article and its inclusion is arbitrary. There is no reason to select French as the one foreign language that gets its own translation. There is already a French version of the article, which, by the way, does not currently have a translation of the article's topic into English - and so it should not. The insistence of editors to include a French translation in what is an English language encyclopedia article seems to me the politically motivated actions of language activists. 2001:569:79A0:6300:B87F:EBC0:491B:FFFA ( talk) 23:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
For any admins looking into this issue, this editor started a conversation on this subject over here and did not receive consensus for their proposed changes. Since the conversation activity died down this editor has continued with their edit war while using different IP addresses. Deadman137 ( talk) 01:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
The above is misleading. If it was anyone, it was the user above engaging in an "edit war". There was talk posted here justifying the change to which person above did not respond; he would just unilaterally alter without justification. I had not seen any of the related discussion on the other page. And I have no control of my IP address, which must be dymanic, I guess. This is much to the chagrin of Deadman137, who obviously has his own agenda, which he intends to pursue - unfortunately to the detriment to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:79A0:6300:6D13:EB4D:7FF2:20FE ( talk) 08:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Stating that the teams draft "amateur players", when in fact they draft both amateur and professional players, is plainly inaccurate. It's like saying that the NHL teams are based in the U.S. because most NHL teams are. The sentence "teams take turns selecting amateur players from junior, collegiate, or European leagues" is particularly misleading since amateur players are virtually never drafted from European leagues that are not junior. BlueSwede92 ( talk) 14:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
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Why is it that we dont include letter like Ä, Ö, Å, Ø, ẞ, Š in the player and team names in the articles about the drafts? --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The text does not match what the cited NHL's Hockey Operations Guidelines say. I would update it myself but translating the NHL's wording into plain English is probably better left for someone more practiced in hockey talk.
Currently it says:
All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.
Whereas the NHL says:
Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20
And yes, the NHL managed to misspell "player" in exception (iv). - Wikkiwonkk ( talk) 19:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
There are two lotteries held, but the table is a little wrong here. It was explained in the lottery video that if a team that doesn't have a chance to 1st overall pick wins the first lottery, Ducks will keep the 1st overall pick regardless of the result of the second draw and the first lottery winner has its draft position locked.
Therefore, if Senators had won the first lottery, they would have moved to 2nd with Ducks keeping 1st. Then the second lottery winner would have got 3rd pick. I think the table on the 2023 NHL Entry Draft is therefore correct. 2001:14BA:5045:2C00:7C05:AEC0:B17:995D ( talk) 07:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
FWIW a recently closed RFC, may effect 'this' page & related pages. GoodDay ( talk) 15:57, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 11:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
– As with other sports drafts, these are not proper names. They are not consistently capitalized in sources. Per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, we should use lowercase entry draft and amateur draft. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Some data – In book n-gram stats, upper and lower case are very mixed, nothing close to "consistently capitalized", which is the criterion in MOS:CAPS, nor "always occur capitalized, even mid-sentence", the criterion in WP:NCCAPS. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Note – I've also proposed downcasing "Hockey" in "Djurgårdens IF Hockey players"; we could alternatively just omit that word. The article Djurgårdens IF Hockey might also do with a name change, as the article doesn't mention that among the various names. Dicklyon ( talk) 01:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization):Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.
— Bagumba ( talk) 08:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Outside Wikipedia, and within certain specific fields (such as medicine), the usage of all-capital terms may be a proper way to feature new or important items. However these cases are typically examples of buzzwords, which by capitalization are (improperly) given special emphasis.
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I noticed that in the list of drafts it jumps from 2006 to 2008. Is there any reason for this? Where is 2007? Masterhatch 17:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Might just be because whenever that part was last edited, whoever did it already knew the '08 draft will be held in Ottawa. Maybe the place of the 2007 draft wasn't known. Bigdottawa 13:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
The following was just posted to Wikipedia:Copyright problems in the "Fair use claims needing a second opinion" section:
The Player Numbers By League Summary is out of date - hasn't been updated since the 2003 draft. I've put a template up, hopefully it can be fixed. BoojiBoy 21:28, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
I've changed the "draft steal" from Dominik Hasek to Dino Ciccarelli. My reasoning is that I'm not sure that Hasek can be considered a steal - he was a total shot in the dark because he was playing in Czechoslovakia at the time and was not considered likely to defect to the West. I don't think that you can say that the Blackhawks "stole" him merely because the Berlin Wall fell six years later. BoojiBoy 15:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't know enough to do it myself, but I think the Lottery should be mentioned in this article TheHYPO 14:07, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
Where was it officially announced that Montreal was hosting the draft in 2009? I see the link to the article on canadiens.com saying that they are BIDDING on the 2009 Draft within the 2009 NHL Entry Draft page, but I find nothing on the internet to support that they are OFFICIALLY hosting it.
Per WP:V, et al, I've removed the entire busts/steals section. Its a wholly unsourced subjective list. Should worthwhile sources emerge, I see nothing wrong in principle with the section returning, but I think it's important not to let it devolve back into another overlong list like the article is unfortunately already saddled with. For those interested in re-adding the section, here's the diff of the lists at the time of my removal. — Lomn 18:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
does anyone know if there any financial compensation to drafted amateurs former minor league teams?
(ie: when Sidney Crosby was drafted to the NHL, did his junior team the Rimouski Océanic receive any financial return?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.156.95.254 ( talk) 22:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
To most of us, it's probably kind of obvious why the lottery takes place, but it could certainly be covered in some detail. How common was it, for instance, for teams to actually be accused of throwing games for draft purposes? I vaguely recall that this might have been one of the reasons that Eric Lindros didn't want to sign with the Nordiques, but I'm certainly not sure about that... — JAO • T • C 10:09, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Resolute removed the section Compensatory draft selection here, however the section is referenced and contains useful information, so unless there is a consensus that this section does not belong in this article, I will restore it. Dolovis ( talk) 01:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
The " Eligible Players" section header has the first letter in each word as an upper-case letter. As far as I know, usually only names should be capitalized. Is it correct to capitalize both words? If yes, is there some policy/guideline information I'm missing? Hey Mid ( contribs) 21:26, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
It's no longer the Entry Draft, as there isn't the Waiver Draft to differentiate from. Can we make this page just the NHL Draft and include the history of the previous time as NHL Entry Draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arusnak ( talk • contribs) 19:13, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
The thing which I do not understand is how can teams be trading draft picks if the results (standings) of future seasons as well as the outcome of the respective lottery -- these being the two determining factors for a draft position -- are not known to them? As far as I know, teams are trading specific (eg a No 2 pick) and not just any pick in a future draft. There should be an (obvious) answer to this, it's just I haven't figured it out yet ... Thanks to anyone who is helping me out on this! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.33.91.2 ( talk) 13:12, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for making this clear to me (and so swiftly). In central European leagues, we do not have such a sophisticated system -- or any draft system for that matter -- so it's nice to receive tutorials from people who know. Patrick H. (Austria)... and by the way, Resolute: It seems that you have taken one of the pictures in the article on Alex Plante (in a Calgary Hitmen uniform) who now happens to play for my local team: Dornbirn Bulldogs. It's a small world after all! Patrick H.
It is unnecessary to include a French translation of "Entry Draft" at the start of the English article. It adds nothing to the content of the article and its inclusion is arbitrary. There is no reason to select French as the one foreign language that gets its own translation. There is already a French version of the article, which, by the way, does not currently have a translation of the article's topic into English - and so it should not. The insistence of editors to include a French translation in what is an English language encyclopedia article seems to me the politically motivated actions of language activists. 2001:569:79A0:6300:B87F:EBC0:491B:FFFA ( talk) 23:47, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
For any admins looking into this issue, this editor started a conversation on this subject over here and did not receive consensus for their proposed changes. Since the conversation activity died down this editor has continued with their edit war while using different IP addresses. Deadman137 ( talk) 01:07, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
The above is misleading. If it was anyone, it was the user above engaging in an "edit war". There was talk posted here justifying the change to which person above did not respond; he would just unilaterally alter without justification. I had not seen any of the related discussion on the other page. And I have no control of my IP address, which must be dymanic, I guess. This is much to the chagrin of Deadman137, who obviously has his own agenda, which he intends to pursue - unfortunately to the detriment to this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:569:79A0:6300:6D13:EB4D:7FF2:20FE ( talk) 08:29, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
Stating that the teams draft "amateur players", when in fact they draft both amateur and professional players, is plainly inaccurate. It's like saying that the NHL teams are based in the U.S. because most NHL teams are. The sentence "teams take turns selecting amateur players from junior, collegiate, or European leagues" is particularly misleading since amateur players are virtually never drafted from European leagues that are not junior. BlueSwede92 ( talk) 14:21, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
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Why is it that we dont include letter like Ä, Ö, Å, Ø, ẞ, Š in the player and team names in the articles about the drafts? --Cheers! Kilaseell - Message me! - 17:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
The text does not match what the cited NHL's Hockey Operations Guidelines say. I would update it myself but translating the NHL's wording into plain English is probably better left for someone more practiced in hockey talk.
Currently it says:
All players who will be 18 years old on or before September 15 and not older than 19 years old before December 31 of the draft year are eligible for selection for that year's NHL Entry Draft. In addition, non-North American players over the age of 20 are eligible.
Whereas the NHL says:
Entry Draft Eligibility All players age 19 or older [(i) any player who will be age 18 on or before September 15 in the year in which such Entry Draft is held, or (ii) reaches his 19th birthday between September 16 and December 31, both dates included, next following Entry Draft, can attain eligibility by delivering to the League a written notice (Opt in Form) prior to the later of May 1, or seven days following the date such player finishes competing on his team in the year in which such draft is to be held.] are eligible for claim in the Entry Draft, except: (i) A Player on the Reserve List of a Club, other than as a try-out; (ii) A player who has been claimed in two prior Entry Drafts; (iii) A player who previously played in the League and became a free agent pursuant to the Collective Bargaining Agreement; (iv) A plyer age 21 or older who had played hockey for at least one season in North America when he was age 18, 19 or 20
And yes, the NHL managed to misspell "player" in exception (iv). - Wikkiwonkk ( talk) 19:38, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
There are two lotteries held, but the table is a little wrong here. It was explained in the lottery video that if a team that doesn't have a chance to 1st overall pick wins the first lottery, Ducks will keep the 1st overall pick regardless of the result of the second draw and the first lottery winner has its draft position locked.
Therefore, if Senators had won the first lottery, they would have moved to 2nd with Ducks keeping 1st. Then the second lottery winner would have got 3rd pick. I think the table on the 2023 NHL Entry Draft is therefore correct. 2001:14BA:5045:2C00:7C05:AEC0:B17:995D ( talk) 07:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
FWIW a recently closed RFC, may effect 'this' page & related pages. GoodDay ( talk) 15:57, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky ( talk) 11:30, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
– As with other sports drafts, these are not proper names. They are not consistently capitalized in sources. Per MOS:CAPS and WP:NCCAPS, we should use lowercase entry draft and amateur draft. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:28, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Some data – In book n-gram stats, upper and lower case are very mixed, nothing close to "consistently capitalized", which is the criterion in MOS:CAPS, nor "always occur capitalized, even mid-sentence", the criterion in WP:NCCAPS. Dicklyon ( talk) 00:32, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Note – I've also proposed downcasing "Hockey" in "Djurgårdens IF Hockey players"; we could alternatively just omit that word. The article Djurgårdens IF Hockey might also do with a name change, as the article doesn't mention that among the various names. Dicklyon ( talk) 01:48, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization):Wikipedia relies on sources to determine what is conventionally capitalized; only words and phrases that are consistently capitalized in a substantial majority of independent, reliable sources are capitalized in Wikipedia.
— Bagumba ( talk) 08:36, 14 April 2024 (UTC)Outside Wikipedia, and within certain specific fields (such as medicine), the usage of all-capital terms may be a proper way to feature new or important items. However these cases are typically examples of buzzwords, which by capitalization are (improperly) given special emphasis.