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There is something physically impossible for the claim that a pilot flew 477 sorties in a Po-2 aircraft (capable of carrying max 771 pounds of bombs per sortie) and dropped 63,000 tons of bombs (63,000 x 2,000 lbs/short ton, say) on the enemy. This means she dropped an average of 132 tons of bombs per sortie. A Po-2 itself, fully loaded, weighs only a little over a ton. Further, Avidzba's unit, the Night Witches, collectively only dropped around 3,000 tons of bombs throughout its entire wartime career. So something is fishy with the 63,000 ton claim. This is not to disparage Avidzba's contribution to the war. It's just that the 63,000 ton figure is physically impossible. A thousand plane raid of B-17 bombers could not do that, let alone a Po-2.
Just because there is an external written reference making that 63,000 ton claim, doesn't make the claim physically possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.133.113 ( talk) 01:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 13:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Created by Lajmmoore ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC).
Narutolovehinata5, @ Yoninah:, @ Juxlos: Hi! I've been on holiday for the past fortnight, so haven't been doing any editing. Prior to that I was looking at the reviewer rules for DYK QPQ and in honesty, I got a bit over-whelmed. It is definitely something I would like to get involved with, but I haven't had a chance to see if there are guides, etc. outside Wikipedia, that might help. Please don't write me off! I'm just cautious and don't want to start building up DYK reviews, which might be wrong. If either of you have any advice, that would be gratefully received. Many thanks ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 08:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC))
... that during the Second World War, Abkhaz pilot Meri Avidzba flew 477 combat sorties, totalling over 1000 hours of time in the air and dropped 63,000 tonnes of bombs onto the enemy? Source: https://abaza.org/en/fearless-navigator-meri-avidzba
Thanks very much for all the help! ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 07:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC))
The text of this article, incorporated into the DYK for 27 Sept 2020, says she "dropped 63,000 tonnes" of bombs on the enemy while flying 477 combat sorties. Do the math: that's over 130 tonnes of bombs per sortie. Considering that the plane she was flying (Polikarpov Po-2) barely weighed one tonne itself, I rather doubt this. Even if "tonne" is a mistranslation of some source's word for "kilogram," so that the tonnage is overestimated by a thousand, it's way beyond the normal bombload for a Po-2.
An error like this should never, never, NEVER appear in a DYK. -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 01:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I saw that and agree with you 100%.
Jackfork (
talk) 01:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
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There is something physically impossible for the claim that a pilot flew 477 sorties in a Po-2 aircraft (capable of carrying max 771 pounds of bombs per sortie) and dropped 63,000 tons of bombs (63,000 x 2,000 lbs/short ton, say) on the enemy. This means she dropped an average of 132 tons of bombs per sortie. A Po-2 itself, fully loaded, weighs only a little over a ton. Further, Avidzba's unit, the Night Witches, collectively only dropped around 3,000 tons of bombs throughout its entire wartime career. So something is fishy with the 63,000 ton claim. This is not to disparage Avidzba's contribution to the war. It's just that the 63,000 ton figure is physically impossible. A thousand plane raid of B-17 bombers could not do that, let alone a Po-2.
Just because there is an external written reference making that 63,000 ton claim, doesn't make the claim physically possible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.88.133.113 ( talk) 01:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
Yoninah (
talk) 13:40, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Created by Lajmmoore ( talk). Self-nominated at 13:42, 28 July 2020 (UTC).
Narutolovehinata5, @ Yoninah:, @ Juxlos: Hi! I've been on holiday for the past fortnight, so haven't been doing any editing. Prior to that I was looking at the reviewer rules for DYK QPQ and in honesty, I got a bit over-whelmed. It is definitely something I would like to get involved with, but I haven't had a chance to see if there are guides, etc. outside Wikipedia, that might help. Please don't write me off! I'm just cautious and don't want to start building up DYK reviews, which might be wrong. If either of you have any advice, that would be gratefully received. Many thanks ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 08:11, 24 August 2020 (UTC))
... that during the Second World War, Abkhaz pilot Meri Avidzba flew 477 combat sorties, totalling over 1000 hours of time in the air and dropped 63,000 tonnes of bombs onto the enemy? Source: https://abaza.org/en/fearless-navigator-meri-avidzba
Thanks very much for all the help! ( Lajmmoore ( talk) 07:31, 22 September 2020 (UTC))
The text of this article, incorporated into the DYK for 27 Sept 2020, says she "dropped 63,000 tonnes" of bombs on the enemy while flying 477 combat sorties. Do the math: that's over 130 tonnes of bombs per sortie. Considering that the plane she was flying (Polikarpov Po-2) barely weighed one tonne itself, I rather doubt this. Even if "tonne" is a mistranslation of some source's word for "kilogram," so that the tonnage is overestimated by a thousand, it's way beyond the normal bombload for a Po-2.
An error like this should never, never, NEVER appear in a DYK. -- Bill-on-the-Hill ( talk) 01:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
I saw that and agree with you 100%.
Jackfork (
talk) 01:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)