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The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 20:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Maté (drink) →
Mate (drink) – The pages for "yerba mate", and also the page for mate the drink in the simple english wikipedia both preserve the _correct_ spelling of "mate". A lengthy discussion has already taken place over on the yerba mate page (
/info/en/?search=Talk:Yerba_mate/Archive_1#Page_move_from_Yerba_mate_to_Yerba_mat.C3.A9.3F.3F.3F) about why the article title should use this spelling, so I suggest this be moved _back_ to "Mate (drink)" to bring it into conformance with pages that have already had this discussion.
Sgtpepper43 (
talk) 03:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
This page seems to contradict itself regarding the country of origin of mate. It clearly states in the first sentence of its "History" section that "Mate was first consumed by the indigenous Guaraní and also spread by the Tupí people who lived in that part of southern Brazil and northeast Argentina, including some areas that were Paraguayan territory before the Paraguayan War," yet in the infobox at the top of the page it list Paraguay as its sole country of origin, as if that even made sense with a drink by the Guaraní and the Tupí people in Pre-Columbian times. It seems obvious that the countries of origin are Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay, not by any means exclusively Paraguay.
Perhaps the confusion resulting in this oversight originates from the fact that, as the article states, "the scientific name of the yerba-mate is Ilex paraguariensis," which, again, has nothing to do with the Guaraní and the Tupí, but rather with the European "discovery" of it and its taxonomical classification. Likewise, as the Wikipedia article on the "History of yerba mate" shows in a "Map showing natural distribution area of yerba mate" it includes Brazil and Argentina. Oulipal ( talk) 16:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
| origin = Paraguay
| origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay between the
Uruguay River and lower
Paraguay River, the
Misiones Province of
Argentina, southern
Brazil once as far north as Rio de Janeiro, and parts of
Uruguay and
Bolivia)
which is taken from the article, | origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay, the
Misiones province of
Argentina, southern
Brazil and
Uruguay)
as I do not believe the genus grew in Bolivia. | origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay, northern
Argentina, southern
Brazil and
Uruguay)
In the infobox the country of origin is given as "The territory of the Guaraní people (present-day Paraguay, the Misiones province of Argentina, southern Brazil and Uruguay)" but I find no source for that in the article. As fas I know the plant does not grow naturally in Uruguay and the article History of yerba mate states, with sources, that "Remnants of yerba mate have also been found in a Quechua tomb near Lima, Peru and has therefore been suggested to have been associated with prestige." Therefore cultural orogin is not fully evident, in particular for Uruguay, and the citation should be included. There is apparently more of a "country of origin" in Peru than Uruguay, but all this needs reliable sources. Dentren | Talk 14:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
origin_label
- Use this to change "Country of origin" to something else when "country" doesn't apply. This might be an option, and we simply add origin_label = Origin
to the infobox and remove the modern nation-states.The Indians known as the Guarani began drinking yerba mate in the region that now includes Paraguay, southern Brazil, southeastern Bolivia, Northeastern Argentina and Uruguay.No need to change anything now. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 07:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Dentren: Could you stop focusing on the wrong things in the article, it's becoming tedious. The statement is "Mate was first consumed by the indigenous Guaraní". That is what is not what was sourced before your most recent tag though. The sources are that were there were for the fact that the Guaraní live in what is today called Uruguay (among other locations in the area). I have now added yet another reference already supplied in the article. May I suggest that you stop tagging the article and start discussing here instead? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Voice 171.76.81.22 ( talk) 03:18, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Moved ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 20:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Maté (drink) →
Mate (drink) – The pages for "yerba mate", and also the page for mate the drink in the simple english wikipedia both preserve the _correct_ spelling of "mate". A lengthy discussion has already taken place over on the yerba mate page (
/info/en/?search=Talk:Yerba_mate/Archive_1#Page_move_from_Yerba_mate_to_Yerba_mat.C3.A9.3F.3F.3F) about why the article title should use this spelling, so I suggest this be moved _back_ to "Mate (drink)" to bring it into conformance with pages that have already had this discussion.
Sgtpepper43 (
talk) 03:54, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
This page seems to contradict itself regarding the country of origin of mate. It clearly states in the first sentence of its "History" section that "Mate was first consumed by the indigenous Guaraní and also spread by the Tupí people who lived in that part of southern Brazil and northeast Argentina, including some areas that were Paraguayan territory before the Paraguayan War," yet in the infobox at the top of the page it list Paraguay as its sole country of origin, as if that even made sense with a drink by the Guaraní and the Tupí people in Pre-Columbian times. It seems obvious that the countries of origin are Argentina, Brazil, and Paraguay, not by any means exclusively Paraguay.
Perhaps the confusion resulting in this oversight originates from the fact that, as the article states, "the scientific name of the yerba-mate is Ilex paraguariensis," which, again, has nothing to do with the Guaraní and the Tupí, but rather with the European "discovery" of it and its taxonomical classification. Likewise, as the Wikipedia article on the "History of yerba mate" shows in a "Map showing natural distribution area of yerba mate" it includes Brazil and Argentina. Oulipal ( talk) 16:49, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
| origin = Paraguay
| origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay between the
Uruguay River and lower
Paraguay River, the
Misiones Province of
Argentina, southern
Brazil once as far north as Rio de Janeiro, and parts of
Uruguay and
Bolivia)
which is taken from the article, | origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay, the
Misiones province of
Argentina, southern
Brazil and
Uruguay)
as I do not believe the genus grew in Bolivia. | origin = The territory of the
Guaraní people (present-day
Paraguay, northern
Argentina, southern
Brazil and
Uruguay)
In the infobox the country of origin is given as "The territory of the Guaraní people (present-day Paraguay, the Misiones province of Argentina, southern Brazil and Uruguay)" but I find no source for that in the article. As fas I know the plant does not grow naturally in Uruguay and the article History of yerba mate states, with sources, that "Remnants of yerba mate have also been found in a Quechua tomb near Lima, Peru and has therefore been suggested to have been associated with prestige." Therefore cultural orogin is not fully evident, in particular for Uruguay, and the citation should be included. There is apparently more of a "country of origin" in Peru than Uruguay, but all this needs reliable sources. Dentren | Talk 14:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
origin_label
- Use this to change "Country of origin" to something else when "country" doesn't apply. This might be an option, and we simply add origin_label = Origin
to the infobox and remove the modern nation-states.The Indians known as the Guarani began drinking yerba mate in the region that now includes Paraguay, southern Brazil, southeastern Bolivia, Northeastern Argentina and Uruguay.No need to change anything now. Walter Görlitz ( talk) 07:15, 29 March 2021 (UTC)
@ Dentren: Could you stop focusing on the wrong things in the article, it's becoming tedious. The statement is "Mate was first consumed by the indigenous Guaraní". That is what is not what was sourced before your most recent tag though. The sources are that were there were for the fact that the Guaraní live in what is today called Uruguay (among other locations in the area). I have now added yet another reference already supplied in the article. May I suggest that you stop tagging the article and start discussing here instead? Walter Görlitz ( talk) 23:56, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Voice 171.76.81.22 ( talk) 03:18, 7 January 2023 (UTC)